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Template:Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007
Hey. Nice work but this is not an appropriate template. Results are shared in other pages as well. You have two options: Split the template in 3 (results, maps, results by region) or put the last 2 in the main article and outside the template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I am right now translating from Russian! I'l split them in 3 after I'm done translating! Thanks Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Good. I think you better keep the images outside any template. They will be used only once. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OKIDOKI! PS Happy Valentines Day! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe! Thanks! To you as well!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mariah-Yulia! Thanks to you too for all the work you're doing on this article. Let me know if you need any more help, esp. translation / transliteration. -- Timberframe (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007
I began discussion on the talk page, which you seem not to have noticed, and instead simply reverted each change I made. I am a bit puzzled that you did not review the merit of any of the editing.

Wikipedia policy encourages a cycle of bold, revert, discuss. You were bold, I reverted.

I look forward to productive discussion. Jd2718 (talk) 00:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Collaborative editing is a real pain. But once you realize that you are editing with people who really mean well, it gets easier. (if you are lucky enough to work with people who mean well). And that's certainly the case. I'm going to sign off, I think we have it down to one chart and one map still in contention. Tell me if abbreviating the chart with a link to full data will do it for you, and I think we'll just put the itsy bitsy map back (it really is inobtrusive). And the result is really better. In the meantime, I noticed that actual writing needs clean up. I started, but we'll have to get back to that. Jd2718 (talk) 02:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Balance NPOV Wikipedia is not a partisan polictal propagada publication.
You started off i teh right diorectio but you allowed others to revert and publish a on NPOV. the cosiututional challege ad teh presidets interference in thn opperation of the courts is the balace to other comets that are pro Yushchenko Please stop your bias editing.

Tell me which part of this article doi you Not support... It is balaced ad ifrmative. apart form a slight slant to the presidents side/Your side to the argument (45% of the voters of Ukraine)...

Charts 2006
1 one showes really well the drop in support for small parties! Good work, keep it up! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Collection
I think these summary charts are useful. (You need to remove teh local en.wiki copy to allow the commons version to show though)

The Non-Governing coalition title means those not members of the governing coalition. It does not refer to the opposition. It also shows the parties that failed to secure 3%.

The other charts below give a bold statement of the top six parties. The three charts sit well accross the page providing balance to the page layout - see blow negative a positive layout space..

Regional Analysis of the parliamentary elections:

This map provides a "highest vote" per region (correctly scaled) ad also serves as a name locator. The dominant colors are the colors of Ukraine.

These charts below should be as thumbs to the right to the regional table. They are useful ad it fills in the gaps on the page. Look at the negative image not just the positive (The white space in between) try ad balance out the page more.

''This sub-collection below should not be used as it is too busy. best to use the ones below.''

I SUGGEST USING THESE MAPS BELOW - LESS IS MORE...

DO NOT USE THE MAPS BELOW - AS THE PERCENTAGE IS BASED ON THE REGION NOT THE TOTAL VOTE


 * I like it. The maps are clear, relevant and intuitively understandable.  They manage to convey both the geographic distribution of each party's support and (by comparing the maps with each other)the contribution of each region to the national outcome.  Well done.  I would nominate this set of maps as the standard for depicting proportional represntation outcomes worldwide. -- Timberframe (talk) 09:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

LOL LOL LOL.. Do something apout it.. LOL


 * I have just updated the images and made them cleaner with beter alignment.


 * I suggest using the maps without the data as this information is already available in detail in the tables. I also thing the precentage by national vote is the most accurate. All the colors and ad regios now correlate (Same scale percentage * 25) The blue and yellow colors not only add brightess to the graphics but also represent Ukraine. I country I love dearly for all its divisions i spite its un-democratic president. Parliamentary democracy is best..

Maps 2006
In 2006, 27% of the registered vote represeted suport for mior parties that received less the the 3% statutory representaion threshold. In 2007 the number of voters that supported minor parties that received less the the 3% statutory threshold (Including the Socialist Party of Ukraine (2.86%) was only 7%. The 20% differece showed a consolidation of voters support towards major politcial parties. this fact eeds to be taklen into consideration when makig assessments as to positive Swing in Bloc Yulia Tymochenko, Party of Regions, The Communist Party of Ukraine and Bloc Lytvyn.  The Our Ukraine bloc merged with the new Party "People's Self-Defence" but only recorded a marngial gain in the overall percentage of the vote representing a reduction of 236964 votes in comparison with the 2006 data.

Further review of the regional vote shows a considation of the vote by Yulia Tymoshenko in regions in which here party already maitained stong support. Apart from the Socialist Party and a marginal gain by Our Ukraine all major Political parties recorded an increase in the percentage the voter support when comparimg 2006 to 2007 results.

The other factor that needs to also be considered is that in 2006 the partication rate was 67% and in 2007 the particpation rate droped down to 62%.

Now if you want to highlight the drop in the number of votes received by Party of Regions(Even though they received an increse in the overall precentage which indictaes that the drop is as a result of the reduced particaption rate) You should also highlight the fact that Our Ukraine's vote was 236964 votes less then in 2006. If you looked at the charts and did the comparison with the total vote in 2006 (And I do not argue that such a comparison is valid as it statisticly is not) the consolidation and swing to Yulia Tymoshenko would be much less then 8%. :)

You should clean up your user talk page
Looks a mess. Sorry not intended...

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Ukrainian Parliament Election 2007 - Maps Update
Hi I am liking you contribution eve if a bit color blinded.

I really do not think it is nessassary to include a district level map anyway. The colors and statisitcal iformatio was wrong.

There are two options whe desighing a map base it on the percentage of each region (This provides a distortion in the data as shown by the two charts I produced)

Or better still is to base it on the percentage of the total national vote (This ensures that each region correlates to each other)

I have taken you advice and standardised the color matchig so that they all use the same scale. Good idea.

Here is the collection of maps I have produced showing the percentage of the total vote... I am about to update the percentage of region(s) maps but I am ot sure if you will see them as the local copy needs to be deleted from the en.wikipedia server. (These maps reside o commos and are used in may other language Wiki publictaions.

Enjoy. -D@work


 * Hee I never met a Russian I didn't like........ Because I like Yulia Tymoshenko, that's way I want only facts in the article and not propaganda; needless lies will hurt her country Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I have put the "percentage of the total national vote map" in the article. It seems the best map, I agree! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yulia Tymoshenko's Parliamentary election
In 2005 Yulia was not elected Prime-minister she was appointed by the President. In 2006 the method of appointment was changed and Ukraine became a parliamentary democracy and the prime-minister for the first time was elected by the parliament.

In 2007 Yulia Tymoshenko received a swing of 8.24% in comparison their 2006 vote. Most of the swing (if not all) came as a result of consolidation of the vote in regions in which BYuT already was the leading party. This never the less was an impressive swing to her party. offical statistics, published by the Ukrainian Electoral Authority, indicate that most of the swing came from minor parties and a swing away from the Socialist Party and to a lesser exett Our Ukraine. In 2007, 27% of voters supported minor parties that received less then the 3% minimum threshold required. In 2007 minor parties (including the Socialist party on 2.86%) represented only 7% of the overall vote.

DemocracyWorks (talk) 09:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

A Win is a winn

 * Well winning is winning, are you trying to bright my day?! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes trye BUT there you forgot ... is more to winnig a battle if you lose the war. ad it uis not wiig that couts but how you play the game. probolem is Yushcheko has udermied Ukrain'es democrtaoc developmet and lost trust ad confidece in his management. His tactics attacks on Ukraine's consitutional "rule of law" will not be forgotten for a long long time. Ukrane will EVER be democratic under Yushshenko.  he has lost all credibility and instead of uniting Ukraine he has divided it.  The divions are more accute now the they were before. Crimea will more likely the not become the next KOSOVO come 2017. Its very sad seeig Ukraine take a wrong turn. Yushchenko has been the main stumbling bloc to democray for the last 8 years. Yulia will be signig her own political death warremt if she retsores Presidential Autocracy. If Ukraine want to become a part of Europe then it MUST adopt Europen systems of governance and not emulate America. The Amercia model is very much wrong for Ukraine. Ukraine is a European country not a puppert of the United States.  NATO NO WAY.  USA NO WAY.  EU Yes.

NPOV (Cont)
I see you have been vandelising the Wikipedia pages again removing facts to present a non NPOV. :) Namly the removal of the charts that highlight the fact that Yulis Tymochenko and Our Ukraine do ot reprenst a majority of the electorate. Nice try. So much for your retortick of a balanced NPOV articile.  Yes Wikipedia is very much a bias publication with supporters of the president removing any informtation that they deem critical of the Govering coalaition eve if the comments are factual and backed by citations.  LOL LOL

I have provided some regional maps for the 2006 election using the same methodogy amd scale as the 2007 maps. Note the difference.. LOL LOL. Next comes the Presidetial elections which also shows the same outcome... I am sure you will not want that information published even though the data is historical fact.


 * I removed that info because the table at Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2007 already says the same....... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 17:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well thats stupid I guess the table says ity all and business should stop producing charts. Fact is the chart shows more clearly and more quicky (graphicly) the relationship between each region (more so the the maps). But they all compelment each other ad help you focus on the distributio of votes.  There is two more charts I need to produce before I work on the 2004 president elecftion results. H tyhe table also has some serious erros.  The useer JDxxxx has screwew3d the regional table a the one publihsed on the election results needs more information.  You can not include the urban centres in the regional table as you double count the votes.  you would need to publihs all 226 districts. ot sure if you need that level ( I go down to the polling place but the I am doing detailed analysis).  If you want to list urban centres the you should do so i a seperate tabel from teh regional vote ad you should publish a referece poit (Total number fo votes or total number of registered voters other wiose the percetages mean nothing.  How long is a peice of string?  I am oly bothig to ecplai this to you i the hiop that you will look more closely and understand how to read the data. the cahrts., Tables ad mpas ecah play a role. The maps show the geographic relctioship.  The charts the statistical relationship betwee evcah mai party amd the regions.  The table confirms the above. You can not just read a table unless you have detailed kowledge ad experiance of the electorate., All three are  must. The tables also are missing some data.  Look again. BUT the I do not think your iterst is povidig iformtaion but pushing a partisan political line.  The protest will continue as your (You and others) actions continue to bring Wikipedia into disrepute.  Corrupt editors and corrupt Adminstrators.  BE AWARE...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.120.89.220 (talk) 18:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I still think: the more maps/grafics added to the article the more unreadable it get's! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 19:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I total disagree the maps and charts provide valuable information and are easy to digest at a glance where with just a table you need to add ad group teh iformatio (ad crate a chart) i order to fully understand the results (Which is why you have not taken into cosideration the 27% versus 7% below the threshold vote. The mpas ad chatrs tell the story and the table just confitms the published information. But I think your assessment has more to do with the act that you want to avoid information being published. If a reader wants to they can ignore the maps and charts.


 * The useer JDxxxx has screwed the regional table a the one publihsed on the election results needs more information, what table do you mean the one of 2006 election, of 2007, or the comparing 2006 to 2007 table? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the table that had a East West South North and Central gouping. User JDxxx vandelised it whe he unilaterly decided to remove the gouping. Not sure what additiuobal information you are refeferig to.. by the look sof it he has very little knowledge of Ukraine.


 * aperentle there are wikipedia rules who do not allow it to group them in East West South North and Central, but the maps clearly show already that division. I licked the grouping but not gonna fight over it. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Bias editing on Party of Region's article
There is notable bias in your editing of this page most notably the selective publication of partial information distorting statistical information and facts.

The Party of Regions had increased their percentage of the vote in 2007. The number of people overall participating in the election was less then in 2006. It is false and misleading to make a comparison and claim that the parties vote was less the before whilst selectively leaving out other facts of information. The following charts show this to be a fact.

If you also look more closely at the results will will noticed that there was a consolidation of Yulia Tymoshenko's vote at the expense of the Socialist Party ad our Ukraine. In fact Our Ukraine lost significantly more votes then Party of Regions but the editors have not mentioned that fact on Our Ukraine's page. Anyone can present a statistic that is not not balanced by real facts or proper statical comparison. Such selective bias editing brings wikipedia into disrepute. Wikipedia is not a partisan pro-Ukrainian Presidential publication. DemocracyWorks (talk) 08:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK your right and I apoligize. My dislike of POR got in the way..... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

NATO Action Plan
Having made false allegations in the past and engaged the services of a corrupt administrator ...Now they want to spunge from history the facts and knowledge of Ukraine's lastest Politcial crisis and the resigation of over 10% of the president's polical parliamentary faction. Of course applying for consideration to be a member of the Action Plan is about membership of NATO... I guess the application form is not actual membership. Under their thiking I guess also being in a trianing camp for terrorist is not the same as being an actual terrorist. LOL LOL All the best.


 * I got the feeling Yulia just wants the money that members of the Action Plan get Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask for help (for the article) either. You might be paranoid :) Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

User Boxes
Here are some user boxes you might like to add to your user page :)

ru:Шаблон:Участник из Украины uk:Шаблон:Користувач з України

Thanks, but I only support 10 of them..... Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Which ten?: What about these?

More user boxes
and these...

Articles for deletion/2008 Ukrainian political crisis
Hi! You deleted the anonymous "keep" vote at Articles_for_deletion/2008_Ukrainian_political_crisis&diff=195389737&oldid=195383264. Did you mean to do that? It seems unethical to delete other people's votes, so I think it was a mistake and you would want to know so that you can reinstate it. -- Timberframe (talk) 20:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It wasn't anonymous, it was part of the talk page copied to there. It where comments by me :), but I changed my mind since then. Look at talk:2008 Ukrainian political crisis to check! Mariah-Yulia (talk) 20:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check the diff at - you deleted "*Keep Is was blocked on Feb. 5 the other issue is tyhe mass resignation of members from the President's party Our Ukraine. Attemps top delete this article is further examples of selective sensorship which brings Wikipedia into distrpute" as well as your comments. -- Timberframe (talk) 20:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooops. You are right (my mistake). I restored it already. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)