User talk:Yunshui/Archive 21

irrelevant to Wikipedia ...
Hi Yunshui,

I see that you have described yourself as "a bookseller with some experience of antiquities buying", and that you are interested in Japanese history. I collect atlases, particularly those printed between 1820 and 1920. I don't mind what language they are in, and I find historical atlases particularly interesting. So if you ever have an atlas to sell, I hope you will let me know. I have only one Japanese historical atlas, I can't tell you its title as I don't read Japanese, but it has a crimson velvet cover, lives in a ginger-coloured case, and its preface is dated 1956-08-10. So I would be particularly interested in any other Japanese (or Korean, or maybe Chinese) historical atlases that you happen to have for sale. Maproom (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Maproom. Whilst I share at least some of your enthusiasm for historical mapping (in fact my current bedside read is Harvey's Medieval Maps of the Holy Land (ISBN 9780712358248), which I recommend if you don't have it already, you sound as though you'd enjoy it!) my experiences in the antiquarian trade are sadly some years behind me. Nowadays, I mainly sell academic textbooks and medical titles - less interesting, but a more reliable source of income... However I do still know one or two folk in the rare book trade, so I'll put out some feelers for you; if anything comes back, I'll drop you an email. All the best, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  06:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ereunetes
This editor is now engaged in POINTy behaviour - he is going through a list of all articles I created to find any that violate OPENPARA (i.e. ones I created years and years ago and haven't been fixed yet) and removing the information as opposed to relocating it, as would be sensible. I fear he is becoming disruptive, and I would appreciate you having another quick word with them. Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * He seems to have stopped now. In fairness to Ereunetes, the infoboxes on all those articles did contain birth location details, so the data wasn't actually lost from the page entirely. Having said that, coupled with his talkpage responses it looks extremely POINTy - I'll refrain from stepping in and commenting at this juncture for fear of reigniting a (hopefully) now-defused issue, but I'll keep an eye out for any similar behaviour in future. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. GiantSnowman 08:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2013

 * Read this Signpost in full
 * Single-page
 * Unsubscribe
 * EdwardsBot (talk) 23:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Not sure what prompted that, but thank you! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably a feeble attempt to cultivate friends in high places and distract from their alter ego editing activities. RashersTierney (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did wonder... I'll close out the SPI on you, and open a new one for the Norseman2000 account. Thanks for the heads-up. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for moving on this. I was beginning to feel no-one gave a hoot. RashersTierney (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You may wish to comment at Sockpuppet investigations/Latin Wolf. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Earwig - user boxes
Hello Yunshui,

Wow and double WOW.... the earwig tool user box now looks extra smart! Thank you - I've just managed to make myself a user box for the DYK counter tool as well. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  13:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw your new DYK one - it was whilst looking at it that I thought, "you know, that Earwig userbox looks a bit sparse..." Glad you like it! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Now we'll have to spend time jazzing them all up! What are you still doing here after 3pm? By the way, are you able to close a merge discussion? There was one suggested quite sometime ago for English Setter and with all the migrating of links being done I had missed that it looks to have almost unanimous consensus for the merge? There is no hurry but someone just prompted me to catch a passing Admin.......  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  14:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What I'm doing, unfortunately, is packing up and going offline - I'm afraid someone else will have to tackle the merge, sorry. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

The Greeks
Hi Yunshui,

And thanks for your message about The Greeks. The page is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Greeks_(book)&action=submit

(Whatever that is - I'm new to this.)

Thought it might be good to at least be on the same page before discussing.

Thanks again,

Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Biggin (talk • contribs) 12:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Fred. Okay, well your first step need to be the creation of that page. Since you've already done some work on it, we can use that as a first step - start by copying your text from here (ignore the sandbox bit above the thick black line) and paste it into the creation page here. At the bottom of the page, type this: . Save the page.
 * You've now created a basic article. At the moment, it only has one source, which is the book itself - that isn't enough to show that the subject is notable, and so in its current form, the page is not very suitable for Wikipedia. Your next task should be to find some sources which talk about or review The Greeks, and add them using the same format as you have for the reference to The Greeks itself. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Other, less vital, stuff:
 * You can add a template to the page with basic details about the book - go to Template:Infobox book and copy the code in the box under the "Usage" section to the top of your article. Fill in all the parameters you can, leave the rest blank, and save the page. Adding this will also italicise the title of the page.
 * You will want to add links to other article into the text - the obvious one is H. D. F. Kitto. Put double square brackets around such terms, like this: . The spelling needs to be precisely the same as the article title: , for example, won't work.
 * Don't worry about the "(book)" bit at the end of the title - we can fix that with a page move. You'll need an administrator to do that (since the target page, The Greeks, already exists) - let me know when you're read and I'll do it for you.
 * Add a hatnote to the page to direct people to other uses, specifically Greeks and Greeks (finance).
 * And as always, if you need a hand, ask. I'm around for another half-hour or so, after that, try the Teahouse, they're jolly helpful. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Yunshui. Sorry for the slow reply - it's taken me half a day to find you again, or find a way of contacting you. (I don't find the site easy to navigate.)

As for notablity, I think it is "generally agreed" that The Greeks is notable. Googling around will tell you that, in addition to the review excerpts on the back cover which I quoted. Also author HDF Kitto has his own Wikipedia page in which The Greeks is mentioned as his main work.

However I take your point about Wikipedia needing citable external sources. Unhappily there aren't any of these that I can find online, because the book predates the Internet by so many years. (I went back 10 pages in Google.)

So we have a book that nearly everyone who's read it agrees is a classic, which has been used as a university text for six decades, and which was very well-reviewed in 1951 - but no documentary way of proving any of this. What next?

I adopted your suggestion of pasting in the basic details template, thanks.

I had already linked the article to HDF Kitto - I can click on that & go to the Kitto page. Can you not? (I coded it in a way I didn't need to use the redundant full stops in the Kitto page title.)

Thanks for fixing the numbering.

I know what a hatnote is, but don't know how to format one. Where can I find that info?

I read the hatnote page, but I'm afraid I just don't comprehend it at all. Is there a simple template I can drop in? (I know the hatnote page is full of templates, but the instructions on how to use them don't make sense to me.)

Thanks again for your constructive help, Yunshui.

Fred Biggin (talk) 06:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Fred. The above messages were posted before you created the page, and were based on your sandbox edit - you can largely ignore them now. The Greeks is definitely a suitable article for Wikipedia (it meets criterion #4 of the notability requirements for books) and if you check the current version of the page, you'll see that Tokyogirl has located and added a number of additional sources to shore it up (she's exceedingly good at that sort of thing!). Hatnote-wise, the code you want is this:  - I'll add it to the page for you in a moment.
 * Always happy to help; now that you know how to find me, do feel free to ask if you run across anything that you struggle with in future. And don't worry about the (apparent) complexity of the site - trust me, after a surprisingly short time you'll get a handle on it; it just takes a bit of practice. All the best, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Yunshui - and also Tokyogirl (yes, she is good) in case she is reading this.

More questions, sorry:

1. I saved a draft but this generated an edit conflict - perhaps because you or Tokyogirl were doing your edits at the same time. Is this a problem? The main thing I'd changed was adding the box with all the basic details of the book in it. (I found the template.) That's appeared. It even seems to be in the right spot (over to the right). Did it appear there automatically, or did one of you put it there?

2. I can't see a hatnote yet.

3. I've got a bunch of covers (about 10) of various editions of the book. How many should I put in, & is there a simple way to do it? (Don't enjoy combing through manuals for hours looking for the right bit of code - I just don't have that sort of time available.)

4. So anything further I want to add, I add to the latest version as completed by Tokyogirl, yes?

5. At what point does the thing go live?

Thanks again,

Fred Biggin (talk) 09:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Fred. In response to your questions:
 * 1. That does sometimes happen (and it's a right pain when it does!). When you hit an edit conflict, the upper of the two edit windows that you see is what will be saved - so the simplest thing to do is copy your changes from the lower window to the upper window and save again. Otherwise, your edit will be lost.
 * 2. It's the line at the top that begins: "This article is about the book..."
 * 3. I'd suggest you scan and upload only the first edition cover (unless it's horrifically dull and one of the others is more visually engaging). There are details about using book covers as images here, which may help a bit. On the left of your screen is a Toolbox menu, under which you can find the option "Upload file"; this will take you to an upload wizard which will guide you through the process step-by-step. I would imagine that you would need to licence the images under fair use.
 * 4. Yes - just go to the page, click on the Edit tab at the top, and have at it!
 * 5. It's live right now, and has been since you created it - anyone searching Wikipedia for The Greeks (book) will find it. That said, it would be easier to find at The Greeks - so I'll move it there now.
 * All the best, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

Thanks for the above.

The hatnote wasn't there when I wrote, but I can see it now.

I went thru the upload procedure, but WP won't let me upload a photo because I haven't been a member long enough. However I can ask someone else to do it - tho I'm not clear on how...?

Thanks again,

Fred Biggin (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I should have thought of that; you aren't autoconfirmed yet, so naturally you can't upload images... Nevermind, I'll do it for you; I can't do so on this computer but I'll upload and add the file this evening. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.

Do you want me to send you a cover (or three) - and if so how?

Or will you find them yourself?

Fred Biggin (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Yunshui - that looks very good now.

And thanks for guiding me thru the process (to say nothing of doing most of the work).

The extract from the book was deleted. Are excerpts against WP policy?

It's a pity I can't expand the page a bit, but there's just so little source material on the book.

Look forward to doing the next one.

All the best,

Fred Biggin (talk) 02:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFUND
Regarding Andrew Grayham Doe, I believe that a userfication request should be fine, even if it's been through AfD. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 07:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm more than happy if you want to do so, no complaints from this quarter. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're so right that I've just gone ahead and done it myself. Cheers. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:53, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Bedson sock
Thanks for that. I'd just discovered it and added it to the SPI report. I think we can expect more today and this weekend. Dougweller (talk) 13:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I can barely contain my glee... Thankfully I'm at an aikido course all weekend, so you guys will have to manage without me. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Frank20041
Thanks for the message. I've now unblocked him myself, but could you please run a check for autoblocks? The toolserver tells me he's still blocked but the unblocking is logged and should have worked. I'm also considering unblocking the other possibly innocent account caught in that SPI. De728631 (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Weirdly the toolserver still shows autoblock #4298660 as being active, but I can't locate it in the current block list. Given how wibbly the toolserver's been recently I'm inclined to put it down to lag - certainly none of the ways I know of to locate and lift an autoblock seem to turn up anything current. Haven't checked the other SPI account (and sadly don't have time to do so right now, I've got to go out), so no opinion there, I'm afraid. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  21:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Jason May
I would like to know why you deleted the page on "Jason May"? With respect, your interests are martial arts, board games and Japanese history. Exactly what do you know about Welsh actors? Jason May is a prominent and professional actor in Wales. He is a notable personality, and he warrants a page on Wikipedia. I strongly protest your decision to delete, and request that it is replaced forthwith. Thank you.Cromanology (talk) 06:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Cromanology. Unfortunately, being a notable personality in real life and being a notable personality on Wikipedia are two different concepts - here, "notable" has a highly specific meaning. Nothing in the deleted article gave any indication that Mr May was anything more than a run-of-the-mill jobbing actor, and there were no sources present to suggest that he had received the necessary third-party coverage to warrant an article. I'll restore the page to your userspace at User:Cromanology/Jason May; please work on it there to bring it up to Wikipedia standards before resubmitting. As a bare minimum, you would need to provide at least two citations to reliable sources (IMDB isn't such a source) which provide in-depth, independent coverage of Mr May. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:32, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing. Thank you. I'm an inexperienced Wikipedia contributor, so please bear with me.Cromanology (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

On the sockpuppet concerns regarding User:Frank20041
I see that you failed to unblock User:Frank20041 over concerns raised in a sockpuppet investigation. Let me note as the editor who raised those concerns that the concern was that he was a sockpuppet of User:Voidz, and Voidz was found in that investigation not to have been involved in the puppetry that was being investigated. So I find it hard to say that that investigation should be used against him. Might I request that you reconsider his request for unblock? --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm consulting with the blocking admin; assuming he's cool with it I'll unblock. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  20:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you: Dev Ross Page
Thank you for your kind help in the removal of the deletion notification on the Dev Ross page. Ms. Ross has been an award winning contributor to the animation world, as well as children's author and performer. The original "speedy deletion" nominator was new and has since posted a note of apology. Your quick intervention is truly appreciated. I will continue to improve this work and look forward to the assistance of anyone else who has knowledge of Ms. Ross's contributions, as well as helpful Wiki editors. SandyC (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

REFUND
Unless you are restoring an article to mainspace I'm not entirely sure its the right thing for you to deal with REFUND requests concerning content you deleted. It does rather smack of your being involved and there are enough people who keep an eye on the page. Spartaz Humbug! 08:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're referring to Jason May - I only became aware of the WP:REFUND request after I'd already userfied the page at the creator's direct request (see several threads up this page). Figured I'd save others the trouble of having to look into it by closing the undelete request when I subsequently found it, but I can see your point; if the same situation arises in future I'll leave the request for someone else to deal with. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  19:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Help?
Hi Yunshui! I'm turning here for some help with an AfD. I'm kind of frustrated right now because I'm having some trouble with a newer editor. The AfD in question is Articles for deletion/Arch Enemy Entertainment and what's essentially going on is this:

The article has a handful of sources, but nothing that shows a depth of coverage or that any of their products are so overwhelmingly notable that they'd really show that they're particularly notable. They're "just" a comic production company, so they're less likely to gain notice than if they were a publisher. Production companies are the "man behind the curtain" for the most part. In any case, I ended up removing a lot and I repeat a LOT of sources that were primary and a lot of claims that didn't entirely pertain to the actual company. (Things such as this notable person worked for the company, or that that guy went on to work for Dexter, or they were mentioned in this non-mainstream documentary.) I've tried to explain why the sources would be unusable and one source in particular happens to be USA Today. The thing is that USA Today is publishing one of their comics on their website, which makes it primary. I've tried to explain that and they just don't seem to understand. The other issue (which wasn't really that big of an issue to begin with) is that the editor on the AfD is also an intern for the company. I tried explaining why COI and working for the company would leave them inclined to write in a promotional manner or include puffery about the company and its workers, but she took exception to that. I'm just getting frustrated and could use some good third parties to help talk things out. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:59, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I've left a note on IDuchess' talkpage in an attempt to boil the issue down to its fundamentals, hopefully that will help her understand the reasoning. I won't !vote at the AFD, since if I did your above message could be seen as canvassing, but I'm happy to converse with IDuchess if she needs more clarification. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:27, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! If you could just keep an eye on the situation, that'd be great. It's getting well, a little heated in the AfD. Another editor has come in and started getting a little testy, so it might need to be defused. Red Pen of Doom is helping as well, but I'd like to avoid it turning into a free-for-all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wanchojang
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Need a second opinion
Hey- can you take a look at User:Tokyogirl79/Sunny (writer) and tell me if you think this passes WP:AUTHOR? At first glance there are a lot of reviews, but ultimately they're just through two sources: Publishers Weekly and RT Book Reviews. There is an interview and a piece by one of her local papers, but I'm not sure if this is really enough just yet. I don't want to put this out there without someone else taking a peek at it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As it stands now, the author (or rather her works) has not received critical attention that is significant enough to meet WP:AUTHOR. That is, as it stands now. I think you should try digging more ore from this mine. May help. But at quick glance, most of the further interviews listed on Sunny's web page don't seem reliable enough to be included as sources... Mostly non-notable blogs. Happy source-scouring. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 08:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's kind of what I was leaning towards. If I'd had just a few more RS covering her or her books, I'd have moved it, but we need more than a local source, PW, and RT. Unfortunately none of the sources on her blog are really usable. The closest one I saw was that Geraldo had done a piece on her, but then I'm not sure if his stuff is really usable as a RS or how in-depth it was. I had been excited over the other news article, which ended up using her more as a sound bite about erotic/romance books in general. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with your assessment, and Bonkers'. On the offchance that you couldn't access/hadn't checked a couple of trade-only sources I did a bit of hunting on my own, but no joy (although I found out from HighBeam that there's a high-school athlete of the same name who might be notable one day...). My money's on "not yet" for this one - no reason to believe she might not get the requisite coverage in the future, but at present there just isn't enough there to warrant her own article. Might be worth adding what you've got to Da Chen, the article on her husband, until such a time as she gets enough coverage for a separate page. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation
I noticed you opened up a sockpuppet investigation into User:CowbackCowbert but the Sock investigation page redirects to another sockpuppet investigation with even more socks. Perhaps you can merge the two or something? Smartyllama (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Doing it now - the master is Rouoetyjsjabdb. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Case opened at Sockpuppet investigations/Rouoetyjsjabdb, if you want to comment. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have nothing to add. That guy's previous socks, all of which are now blocked, didn't create articles on non-existent Kardashians AFAIK, but I might have missed them if they got deleted since I don't follow that stuff and can't view deleted contributions. Smartyllama (talk) 13:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * At least three of the current batch seem to have taken to Kardashian creation as a new hobby - I'm not sure if it was a pre-exisiting tendency or not, but it's a clear link between, for example, ILikeToLarfYesIDo and UConnJerkwagonIAmNot, both of whom created Klementine Kardashian and Karat Kardashian within a couple of days of one another. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. Most of the old alleged socks edited Ray Reid and related articles at some point or another. However, I think they eventually hid the edits from public view because there were so many of them and they were so bad. They didn't claim Reid was making a movie about a transvestite soccer coach named Moses, by any chance? Because a bunch of the old socks did that. Smartyllama (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Astbury
Hi Yunshi

You have deleted the Astbury page, and cited copyright.

You are correct that it is lifted from the Astbury.org page.

I have copyright permission to do that from the author.

Is there something I need to do to remedy any problem?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gburlow (talk • contribs) 10:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I did wonder whether you might be connected with the website... The problem is that the Asbury diary site states quite clearly that content there is subject to permission dependent copyright, and may only be replicated for personal use. In order for Wikipedia to use the text, the site would need to change its terms and conditions to release its content under a CC-BY-SA licence, allowing free reuse and alteration for any purpose (including commercially) with attribution. The author cannot permit use of the text only on Wikipedia; all Wikipedia text must be derived from free sources. You can learn more about this at Donating copyrighted materials. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Answers CSD 2 Test
Hello Yunshui! I have submitted the second test answers. Please have a look whenever you can find time. Thank you Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I spotted you doing that, but thought I'd wait until you were finished. I'll check the page over now. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * lol ! Sometimes I have a feeling that, editing or contributing on wikipedia is similar to have your phone/laptop being stalked by your recent girlfriend :D ! Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Chicken Cock Whiskey Deletion
Hi,

I wanted to get in touch regarding the deletion of Chicken Cock Whiskey. It was deleted for reason G12, citing an article on MarketWatch.com; however, that article is simply the posting of a press release written by me. The page I drafted contains similar text, also written by me, but reformatted for wikipedia. Please let me know if I can provide additional information to confirm that both texts were written by me.

Thanks, Stefany — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanypc (talk • contribs) 13:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Stefany. The MarketWatch page seems to indicate that you've signed copyright over to PR Newswire, with all rights reserved - that means the text isn't available in the freely licenced format required by Wikipedia. You can take a look at the instructions on donating copyrighted material, but there are other issues with the text besides the licensing - it's pretty promotional (as befits a company press release) and so would need to be heavily rewritten anyway to comply with Wikipedia's neutrality and advertising policies.
 * I'd suggest writing the article from scratch, instead - it sounds as though the drink has an interesting history, and if you can provide independent sources (i.e. not you, the company, or its affiliates) that support the information, we could definitely have an article on it. My advice would be to start such an article in a user sandbox or at Articles for creation, so that you can get another editor to check it for you first; I'd be happy to do so, if you'd like. You should also (if you work for the company) read the conflict of interest guidelines and the advice for editors with such a conflict of interest. Hope this helps. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for assuming good faith. I can assure you that the problem has been dealt with on my end; I don't like seeing Wikipedia disrupted either. – 2001:db8:: (rfc &#124; diff) 21:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Coffee !

 * You're more than welcome. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Image Question
Hello Yunshui. I have a question regarding an image for my group's article page, [Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1]. We have found an image of the gene involved in the disorder. I was wondering if we could use it on our page? It is from a government website and here is the link to the image: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/dynamicImages/chromomap/IGHMBP2.jpeg Please let [8712NeuroBio] and I know if the image is able to be used under Wikipedia's image guidelines and what steps we need to take to properly site the image on our article page. Thank you! Isetem13 (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can use it. As a US government website, NLM content is in the public domainconfirm, so it's perfectly compatible with Wikipedia. To use the image, you will need to download it to your computer and then upload it to Wikimedia Commons; use the Commons Upload Wizard to do this. Follow the step-by-step instructions there, making sure that you select "This file was created by the United States government" when adding the licensing information.
 * To use it in the article, add this code to the text at the point where you want the picture to appear:
 * and replace the italicised text appropriately. Let me know if you run into any difficulties. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * and replace the italicised text appropriately. Let me know if you run into any difficulties. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Darkness walks' block
I'm sorry to make you do something you didn't like. I'm sure SAW was a good Wikipedian before he got blocked. Honestly, if he had kept uploading photos, and not been so abusive as I remarked on ANI, I wouldn't have minded. I know I come off as a bit of a pompous douche sometimes when I think I know more than other people, but frankly I'm fine working with such people as long as they don't try to OWN the articles. By the end, it kind of reminded me of that one user whose abuses were what prompted my first interaction with you.

(By the way, I'm fine with people knowing what my past account was, just not with other people bragging about figuring it out and claiming that I am some block-evading sockpuppet who was rejected by the Wikipedia community for being disruptive.)

Cheers!

126.0.96.220 (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Not the cleanest reboot ever (I worked out who you were ages ago, even without LittleBenW's "help"), but you ticked all the cleanstart boxes and I don't think any right-thinking editor would regard it as sockpuppetry. Sad about SAW, though; personally I never had the problems with him that other users seem to have done, and I was sad when he originally got blocked; I found him to be a pretty constructive editor. But rule is rules... The silly thing is, I'd have supported an unblock of his original account if he'd only appealed the block properly. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think he still could be. He has ownership issues, and he needs to take things less personally (see Talk:Kiahan (kyahan)), but unlike one or two other people I could mention he doesn't seem to be a complete psychopath. WM already directed him to the guide to appealing blocks. His recent activities (the stuff I brought up in my now-void ANI post) might have set him back a bit, though. Anyway, I hope my being a bit rushed to tie up the loose ends from before I left hasn't made you or any other sane people think less of me. Konjakupoet (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Gene Yoon
Hi, User:Yunshui, You and User:Deb deleted Gene Yoon at the same time. User:Deb's deletion is wrong. Please restore Gene Yoon which is deleted by User:Deb. Sawol (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What a mess. What I've done, to fix the problem, is to merge the edit histories of both the moved pages. The current version is now the same as the one moved by Deb, but the previous version is now available in the page history, so you can revert or edit the article as you see fit. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. Sawol (talk) 04:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Paroxysmal dyskinesia citing help
Hey there. I'm part of Education Program:Marquette University/Neurobiology (Spring 2013) with MMBiology as my instructor. I was just hoping you could help me with my citing. I have all the sources in the references section. But I want to be able to have a link to the actual article of the citation, and I don't know how to do that. If you could help me out that would be great. Thank you. Our page that we are working on is paroxysmal dyskinesia so you can check out the references there before responding. Thanks again. Daner33 (talk) 03:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Daner33. There are a few different ways to do this, depending on the reference, so bear with me. I'll use your third reference (Zhou et al) as an example:
 * If the article is available on PubMed, you can cite the whole thing using it's PubMed ID: just add the code  in place of the citation. In this case, you'd write:  . Once you've added this, a bot will fill out the full citation for you within 24hrs, pulling all of the relevant information directly from PubMed. (The same thing can be done with JSTOR numbers  and digital object identifiers .)
 * You can use a different template to fill in the information manually. In this case, it would be . You'd need to fill in all of the relevant parameters by hand, so using your current citation as a basis, the code would be:.
 * Hand-populating a complex template seems too much like hard work? Do it the easy way. When you edit a page, just above the edit window you'll see a series of drop-down menus (Advanced, Special characters, Help, Cite) - choose Cite, then select "cite journal" from the Templates menu that appears. A new window will open; fill in the parameters and the software will create and populate a citation template for you.
 * Although it's not as ideal an option as the preceding two, you can also just link the URL in the citation directly, like this: . Citation templates are generally preferred, however.
 * I hope that helps a bit; do feel free to ask me to explain anything that isn't clear enough. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! You were of great help!! Daner33 (talk) 02:16, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

pyrat
Hi! I was creating again the site Pyrat (without copyright problmes and I had kind of problem so I couldn't do it.. because the site stayed without content, now it was deleted by yout petition... I want to submit the content again but I can't.. how can I do it? should I talk you?

thanks!

--Matoges (talk) 13:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)matoges


 * I deleted the page because you had blanked it by removing all the content; that's taken as an indication that you would like it to be deleted (see: Speedy deletion criterion G7). However, even if you had not done so it would still have removed, since it was a clear copyright violation of this webpage (see: Speedy deletion criterion G12 and the Copyright violations policy). In addition, the article made no claim to significance or notability, meaning that it could also have been deleted as non-notable (see: Basic notability requirements). In short, there are a number of reasons that we can't host such content on Wikipedia.
 * If you would still like to submit an article on Pyrat, you will need to address these issues by doing the following:
 * Write about the software in your own words.
 * Support everything you write with references to independent sources (i.e. not affiliated with Pyrat or Scionics).
 * You may wish to start by creating a userspace draft, rather than adding your article directly to mainspace - if you work on a draft version, you are less likely to see your work deleted out of hand, and you can ask other users to review it before it goes "live". However, the copyright rules still apply to such drafts - if you copy material to Wikipedia again, you are likely to be blocked from editing. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 April 2013

 * Read this Signpost in full
 * Single-page
 * Unsubscribe
 * EdwardsBot (talk) 15:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Juldarigi
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Wolverine
I'm more than a little concerned about this editor. I've spent far too much time explaining and illustrating why his edits infringe the copyright/advertising policies, but he just doesn't accept that he is doing anything wrong. As you know, I resorted reluctantly to a block, but it's quite clear that he views that as a personal attack by me, all the worse because I apparently don't understand the policies myself. He's not showing GF even when blocked, and I'm concerned about what will happen when the block expires if the pattern continues. I'm reluctant to keep ratcheting up the blocks, so I'd welcome any thoughts on this  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I was a little surprised that you time-limited it at all, once I'd looked at his recent history; were I faced with another editor with that kind of editing pattern, I'd be giving serious consideration an indefinite block (with the obvious proviso that a decent unblock request and promise of reformation would undo it). My concern, as yours, is the general refusal to admit error, the lack of AGF and the battleground responses, together with the apparent impression that he's actually being reasonable and correcting the issues involved. (I'm also slightly worried by the claim that he's been editing Wikipedia for ten years, since that suggests previous accounts.)
 * We shall see. He's got a couple of weeks to calm down and think about things, assuming that he does so then perhaps we can expect a more productive editor when he gets back (until this latest episode, he seems to have been pretty good for the project). I'd suggest that you (and probably I as well) hold off on contacting him unless he does something extremely egrarious; at this stage, I think seeing either of our sigs on his talkpage is going to inflame the situation. If this stubborn and disruptive streak continues, one or other of us (or another passing admin) can dole out an indef; but I'm hoping that, if left to his own devices, he might just quietly move on to other edits. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I time limited because he seems capable of competence if he puts his mind to it, but primarily because all the deletions and removals had come from me, and I didn't want to make it look too personal. I wasn't going to contact him, if he puts his head in the noose, that's his choice, but I'm grateful for your views  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  12:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Carr Collins, Sr.
Thank you for declining the speedy deletion nomination on Carr Collins,Sr.. I hadn't finished work on the article and agree with the notes as to issues, but I agree with your assessment that his status as a philanthropist and con man establishes notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for William Orr (trade unionist)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Norman Safeground
Please return the content file for Norman Safeground. I will work on it some more. This is a global SW company and one of the market leaders in AV Software in the Nordics, Switzerland, The Netherlands and Germany.

I will elaborate more in the article. How you can deem this irrelevant, yet have articles on all of their competitors is beyond me.

Roland — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nozic74 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Restored to userspace at User:Nozic74/Norman Safeground. Please have a read of WP:CORP to get an idea of the minimum inclusion requirements for companies. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  06:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Satō Tadanobu
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Chinese incursion into India
After looking at the redirect target I realize the incident is not widely covered and part of a major ongoing dispute. One incident in hundreds. I removed the section because it was given undue weight and nothing special appeared to have occurred in this one incident. I think the redirect title is somewhat controversial. 'Chinese incursion into India'. For starters it's not grammatically correct. I think it should be seriously considered for deletion and if someone does want to make Chinese incursions into India as a general redirect, they can do so, but to make a unlikely typo of non-existent redirect or one that points to a very unspecific incursion seems odd to me. Would be curious as to your thoughts; not trying to dispute your decision, I came to the same one but upon further study think this is more suitable. Mkdw talk 08:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I was rather on the fence myself with that one, so have no issues deleting the page rather than leaving it as a redirect, especially if the target section isn't there anymore. I'll go and consign it to the dustbin now. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Have a kittehboo!

Airman Murdah (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC) 

Help........
Morning! I need your advice (again) please. I'm worried I could get blocked for edit warring on Poodle and I'm not sure if I've followed the correct procedure and what to do now. The article had been protected in mid-March after a series of edits then an editor seemed to come along and after a confusing series of edits returned it to an older version. I tried asking for advice on the Dogs Project talk page but didn't get any response (it's not especially active). So after three weeks, I reverted the article back to what seemed to be the stable version and left a note on the talk page. Lo and behold within a couple of days an IP came along and put all the pet pics back in and removed referenced material making it the same as it was before. I have reverted again and left a note on their talk page but I think it's shortly going to be changed again.....what should I do? SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  07:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * What you've done so far is basically correct - you aren't presently in violation of the edit-warring policy, so don't worry about that. However, further undiscussed reverts would get you into trouble... It's always awkward when another editor starts reverting your changes and refuses to discuss them, but you're doing the right thing in trying to open a dialogue. If you have no joy - if they refuse to engage - you've got a number of options, ranging from engaging dispute resolution to reporting the other editor for edit warring. My suggestion, if the reverts continue and you can't get a conversation going, would be to open a request for comment on the talkpage; this will draw more attention from other editors and will hopefully enable a clear consensus to be established. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll wait to see what happens next.....   SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  08:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'm going to have to take this to RfC; the same IP changed it back again with no contact/explanation/edit summary - this time also removing a couple of pics that had been added to the gallery by another editor, who has now undone the IPs change. On another matter, where does Writ Keeper's script for the orange box go? Is it the same place as the DYK checker code etc? The little red number is almost impossible for oldies like me to see on an iPhone (although the copious emails do give a small clue!).  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  08:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd go with an RFC (they're pretty easy to set up, even if you've never done one before). Writ's script goes in your vector.js page - User:Sagaciousphil/vector.js - I recommend just adding, rather than copying the entire text. It works brilliantly - it's actually an improvement on the OBOD, since it tells you who left the message as well. Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Totally Tae Kwon Do Magazine Article Deleted
Hello, Yunshui. You deleted a very raw article I had in rough draft format, not prepared for submission. I feel the article was deleted prematurely. Similar articles exist for similar publications, such as Tae Kwon Do Times and Black Belt. Is this something I should expect to occur when I have an article in rough draft form without any citations yet whatsoever? I believe that creating the rough draft on Wikipedia itself allows me to edit the article from anywhere I have access to a computer, i.e. work, not just my laptop at home. If I must create the article in another manner, I'm happy to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike.e.swope (talk • contribs) 02:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike. The best place to work on drafts like this is via the Articles for creation process, as you've done with Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bok Man Kim. The page on Totally TKD was deleted for two reasons:
 * Firstly, it made no claim to significance - there was nothing in the article to suggest that TTKD was a noteworthy magazine. From the text, all that the reader can deduce is that it's a online PDF magazine (not print published, which means that it could very easily be a fanzine knocked up on someone's home PC). A claim to existence is not the same thing as a claim to importance - why is TTKD any more notable than, say, some 2nd kyu judoka's personal blog?
 * Secondly, (and in conjunction with the above) the article appeared to exist purely for the purpose of promoting the magazine - the text wouldn't have been out of place on its own website.
 * In addition, the article lacked any citations to independent sources - without such citations, the page stands no chance of survival, even if it doesn't meet one of the speedy deletion criteria. You will need to provide references to third-party, reliably published sources which talk about TTKD in some level of detail. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Script finished
I don't know how these Echo pings are supposed to work, so I'll try just posting here. I'm not sure if you were being facetious in your request to me or not, but I've finished the script; it's at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/orangeBar.js. It's cookie-based, so you need cookies enabled in your browser for it to work. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Memo to self: post sarcastic rants at Writ Keeper's talkpage at your own peril... That's unexpected, but simultaneously awesome; thanks! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  18:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Akitsugu Amata
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Need some input...
I'm kind of torn over an article right now. Long story short, in 2012 Victoria Foyt self-published a book that was seen as racist and got a ton of coverage over the internet backlash. This was initially covered in its entirety in her article, but has since been spun off into its own article. I'm really unsure whether or not this really needs its own article since it really only received coverage for the controversy- which is summed up already in Foyt's article. The book didn't really gain any reviews in reliable sources and the award it won isn't really notable at all per Wikipedia's guidelines. I remember people sort of debating this somewhere and it was seen as a fairly dubious award, enough to where it wouldn't even contribute a little notability. So... do you think this should be redirected back to the author's page? That's what I'm leaning towards, although I wouldn't entirely mind it having its own article so the plot section could be fleshed out. My other big concern would be editing in either extreme. The original version of the article looked to be a little pro-Foyt and was filled with fan gush and OR, but then I'm also afraid of vandalism since Foyt's article was pretty beseiged by every idiot with a keyboard that thought they were funny for calling her racist. I know that neither is really a reason to delete/redirect an article in the first place, but it's something that might sway people one way or the other. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I remember Save The Pearls... The spin-off article is a bit of a coatrack, but whilst the book's really only notable for the racism thing, my take would be that it got enough coverage in the process to warrant a separate page. I'd rather see a neutral page on the book than an extensive "Controversy and criticism" section in a BLP (and it's certainly preferable to a standalone "Save the Pearls conroversy" article), so my (mild) preference would be to retain it as a separate article. I'm not taking an especially solid stance, though; I certainly wouldn't kick up a fuss if you decided to go with a merge and redirect. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:54, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, I think I'll leave it for now. I'm kind of leery, but I'll think on it for a while. There is some merit to having it, but also merit to redirecting it. I guess I'll see what happens with the page? It'd probably be a good idea to keep it on watch for a while, if you're interested. I'm slightly curious to see if the people who created it did so on behalf of Foyt's company. I noticed that one of the editors also created a page for Foyt's publishing company and have only made edits adding the book to various pages. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)