User talk:Yunshui/Archive 25

COI and/or socking concern
Yunshui, please see this discussion at the help desk regarding Death of Shane Todd, to which admin Orangemike responded. It was started by a woman claiming to be the mother of the deceased subject of the article. It's a delicate situation, but I'm concerned that perhaps we have a significant COI issue, and possibly unintended socking also. Based on the user name and edits of Theinsidefacts, an account started just today, it appears this may be a family member of the subject. 72.160.36.63 is the user (mother?) that started the help desk thread, and 72.160.41.108 and 72.160.9.191 have also edited the Shane Todd article. All of the 72.160 IPs are in Kalispell, Montana, which happens to be the exact area where Shane Todd's parents live, according to this story from a Kalispell TV station. Of course, I have no idea where Theinsidefacts is located, nor would I even try to find out, but the location of the IPs are of course easily available to anyone, and even provided by Wikipedia with the "Geolocate" link. One would have to assume that Theinsidefacts, based on the chosen username and edits, probably has a very close connection to the subject. I realize, as I said, that this is a delicate issue but I think there's little doubt that many would assume that a family member(s) of the subject is editing the article and perhaps that all of the accounts mentioned above are the same person or family. I have total empathy for the family, but I thought I should let an admin know about this so that the integrity of the article and the project are maintained. I know that your expertise is in socking concerns, but I'm not sure how much you deal with, or want to deal with, COI issues. Therefore, I notified Orangemike about this, since I know he's very active in dealing with COI concerns and is the one who replied to the IP (mother?) at the help desk. I also realize that there's probably not a socking issue at this point because the editing of the article started with the various dynamic IPs, then switched to the registered account edits today. But one of the IPs (the mother?) is the editor that posted at the help desk, which was after Theinsidefacts had already made seven edits to the article. I'll leave this in the hands of you two since you are obviously the experts. I just wanted to make you aware of the situation so it could be dealt with in whatever way you deem appropriate. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What an SPA-tastic page (you've also got User:Rightsandwrongs, who seems to espouse the opposite position to User:Theinsidefacts). My first instinct would be to look at page protection as a solution (although that would obviously prevent you and other editors from contributing to the page as well). An SPI probably wouldn't be terribly constructive at this stage, although it remains an option for the future if this continues. Right now, my best advice is to keep an eye on it (which I will also do), weed out or revert any blatant violations of BLP or unsourced statements, and weather the inevitable furore when the official verdict is released... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:38, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for looking into this and putting the article on your watchlist. I think it's abundantly clear that Theinsidefacts is a family member of the subject. I certainly empathize with their pain, but we must protect the project. Based on their editing history, although short, it's probably the most clear-cut case of COI I've ever seen, short of someone outright admitting to a COI or having a user name that makes it obvious. And we know all the IPs I mentioned above are almost surely a family member (or someone else extremely close to the subject). For the record, I have no interest in editing the article so page protection wouldn't affect me either way. Thank you again for addressing this and agreeing to keep an eye on the article. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Look over an article for creation?
Hey Yunshui! I have another favor to ask. I know that you've done some editing on the anime and manga front and you've been around a while, so I would like you to take a look at a proposed article for Dragon Ball Z. It's a content fork, but the main article for DB is pretty long and could probably stand to have a different page for DBZ. The difficulty is that there's been a pretty long debate over whether or not to make a separate article on the DB talk page and there's been some heated argument. I sort of stepped into the middle of it when another user created a sandbox within the mainspace and I've been asked for my opinion on it. While I am worried about it maybe having complaints about being English dub-centric and having some content that's already on the main page for DB, I do think it could stand as its own article for the most part. I'd like to have your input, as I trust your opinion. You can find the proposed page at User:ChrisGualtieri/sandbox5. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I just looked at your "about me" page for the first time oh, ever. You're a guy? LOL. I had to laugh at myself because I always get genders wrong here on Wikipedia and I thought you'd get a kick out of it. I think that's why I put "girl" into my username, so I wouldn't confuse my own gender. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that my contributions are apparently sufficiently gender neutral as to throw my masculinity into doubt, but can confirm that last time I checked, I was still included in the male half of the species. That's not the only issue you seem to be a bit confused on, though - whilst manga's precursors are definitely an area of interest for me, any Japanese art produced after the Meiji era is pretty much outside my remit. The only manga I've ever followed was Hikaru no go, and that was only because it dealt with one of my favourite subjects... Whilst I'm aware of the existence of Dragon Ball, that's about as far as my knowledge of the topic goes.
 * Looking at the pages involved, I'm inclined to agree with you - given the size of the respective articles, forking DBZ into a new article makes a lot of sense (and Chris's draft looks pretty sound to me). However, I think I'll recuse myself, with apologies, from the discussion - the background reading alone would take me most of the morning, and as I said, my expertise in this field has been flatteringly but massively overstated! I doubt I'd raise any points that haven't already been discussed, and may well just muddy the waters further - besides which, my editing pattern on Wikipedia is about to be seriously disrupted due to Real Life™ events, and so my ability to follow through on any discussion points would be severely curtailed. Sorry not to be more helpful, but this is way outside my area of knowledge. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Adoption School - Broken Link
Hi Yun.

slight problem's come up in your Adoption School stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metka_Hercog&diff=prev&oldid=530213137 is in the 'proposed deletion' section however if you follow the link you'll see that it brings up ''One revision of this difference (530213137) was not found. This is usually caused by following an outdated diff link to a page that has been deleted. Details can be found in the deletion log.''
 * I checked the DL and it's been cut down as an A7. You may want to find a replacement for it. In the meantime i've pointed out this error while answering the question. MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 20:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I came along to say this exact same thing, though it looks like you got here before me.  Green CKE  00:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry guys. Just ignore that one, then. I'll delete it from the base adoption page until I can find a replacement. Thanks for letting me know! Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  06:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Your block of Johneburn
Thanks! Not sure that will solve it.

I believe that the same person has been hammering that same arcane point into the same article 27 times in two days. These are 3 SPA's who's only work has been to hammer the same unusual point into the article. The point is unusual (about the number of versions of the amendment that exist) and is not even under discussion.

as Jeb2000

        

as 71.205.138.110

      

as Johneburn

           Sincerely,

North8000 (talk) 13:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Jesus wept. I've protected the page again; hopefully that will stem the tide for a bit. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Help with a user?
Hey Yunshui, can you look at a userpage for me? I probably should have just blocked the account as a pretty blatant attempt at self-promotion, but I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. The account in question is User:Speirosmusic. His page was tagged pretty quickly as non-ambiguous promotion, which is the reason I've deleted it. I've tried to explain to him why creating a page just to promote yourself is a big no-no on Wikipedia even if it's just in the userspace, but he doesn't quite seem to get it. The more I talk to him, the more it is quickly becoming apparent that he's only here to create a page about himself (userpage or otherwise) and isn't actually here to contribute. At this point I actually think he should be blocked as someone who is here to advertise, but given the back and forth I think it'd probably be better if someone else did it. I'm going to list his name under the username board, but I thought I'd ask for you to step in at this point. I don't think it'd entirely be appropriate if I blocked him and that an uninvolved admin should do it at this point. There's a long, long discussion on his userpage you should read first. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   15:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Generous behaviour by both you and Daniel (you two are so nice, dammit! Makes the rest of us grumpy admin bastards look bad by comparison...). My view, especially considering his comments, is that an indefinite would have be appropriate, and I'd have delivered it as soon as I deleted the userpage - discussion with this sort of editor is usually both pointless and frustrating. They don't understand how Wikipedia works, and aren't interested in learning; all they want is their face on a billboard. I've been dealing with this sort of thing for a while, and so I've got a pretty good sense now of when a user is just here to blow their own trumpet; spotting them and delivering a suitable block is therefore pretty much instinctive. Spend a bit of time working in CSD and you'll soon develop the same mental spam-o-meter. Or possibly I'm just irredeemably jaded, who knows? Either way, Daniel's block takes care of the problem; if the user chooses to change his username we can deal with him again then. Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  07:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui
A long time ago you impressed me when you wrote that talk page contents should not be blanked. At the time you were speaking of comments that I made myself which I had blanked, but I assumed that blanking out others comments on a talk page would be an even bigger no-no.

Since that time though I have witnesed editors removing others comments almost routinely. For example on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention this happened more than once. The most recent is an edit reverted on June 24, 2013  (my own comments have been removed there twice in the past and I no longer participate there on a regular basis because of that). Since this is an important project at Wikipeidia, I wonder what your take is on this and who I am supposed to inform of this posting. Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 04:48, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ottawahitech; nice to hear from you again. There are of course times when removing talkpage posts is appropriate (see WP:TPO and WP:REDACT for what's acceptable), but as a rule of thumb, that shouldn't be happening. In the case of Biolprof's redaction, I think it was just an honest mistake: somehow in adding a comment the editor deleted everything below his post. It doesn't look to me like a deliberate attempt to delete the discussion (which was restored shortly afterwards). Prior to that, the only recent removal of text (aside from minor fixes) from the W:ER talkpage has been Mizabot doing its archiving run, which is obviously nothing to be concerned about.
 * In most cases, if you see talkpage discussions being deleted without good reason, the first step is to restore the content and ask the deleting editor what they were doing. If you find yourself in one of the (thankfully) rare circumstances where the user keeps blanking talkpage messages without explanation, and doesn't respond to warnings, then you can report it to AIV just as you would any other sort of vandalism. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Chicken and duck blood soup
What was supposed to be an easy nomination has turned out to be some frustrating roadblock. Can you revisit the nom and pitch in? I hate to see my noms failing... ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 05:44, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No-one likes to see their nominations being failed, but "frustrating roadblock" isn't the language I would have preferred... I've added a comment at the DYK nomination page. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  06:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

 * The best thing about Wikibrownies is that they can be enjoyed without any corresponding damage to my waistline... Thanks very much, always glad to be of help. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

IP vandalism warnings & AIV
Hello, Yunshui. I just thought I would let you know that I disagree with the comment you made at AIV here, and have blocked the IP address. I know that there are many administrators who take the view that warnings to IP addresses should be ignored unless they are very recent, but I am firmly of the opinion that this depends on circumstances. In the case of a dynamic IP address with widely spaced edits that have no connection to one another, it makes sense to think that the edits are probably made by different people, so that the current user of the IP address may never have received any warning. However, this is not such a case. Almost all of the edits from the IP address have been made on a small group of closely related articles, and it is perfectly clear that one user has been repeatedly editing from the IP address. Under these circumstances, there does not seem to be any remotely reasonable grounds for having different requirements for warnings than we would for a registered account: the user has been given adequate warnings, but has continued editing in the same way. I remember at least one case where a highly disruptive editor edit-warred to add spam to one article for over two years, evading blocks simply by leaving time gaps between edits, so that AIV reports kept getting declined. As far as I am concerned, I will give the benefit of the doubt if it is not clear whether one person or more than one is involved, but if it is unambiguously clear that a particular editor has been given enough warnings, then that is good enough. Of course, you will make your own decisions on this, and you may not agree with me, but I thought it worth while letting you know my opinion, in case you might like to take it into consideration. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm quite happy to defer to your opinion (I was rather on the fence with that one anyway) - appreciate you letting me know. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

"columns-list"
Thanks! (Didn't know about that one.) Most appreciated!! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. is a very handy template to have under your belt, especially for numbered lists. Glad I could help. Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  13:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. - So am I! ;-) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Magazines
Following our conversation from here: User_talk:Sintaku

The Paper Magazines are: Online Magazines:
 * Loaded - Issue 152 - Page 136
 * Stuff (don't have the issue details)
 * Games Master (Owned by Future)- (GM 220 CHRISTMAS 2009) Page 17
 * Vice - http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/fashion-uk-shoot-arthouse-antics-v19n4
 * FHM - http://www.fhm.com/reviews/gadgets/apex-arcade-cabinet-why-you-want-one-20100325

Are these links any good?

Also the only one I've used so far on the page is (I assumed C-Net would be ok, but please clarify): http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20109176-1/arcade-machine-to-raise-funds-for-japan-relief/

   Sintaku  Talk 13:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Sintaku. None of these is ideal (C-Net's ok, but all of the others are a little... tabloidy? You'd be better off with stuff like Computeractive or Computer Weekly). However, I'd say they all pass the minimum bar for reliable sources: they are written by professional journalists (not bloggers) and the publications are subject to editorial oversight. As such, I reckon they suffice; as long as you aren't using them to validate some extremely controversial statements, you're good to go. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't know you could put controversial statements on wikipedia. I didn't feel these sources were up to scratch, there are a ton of sources for the same thing C-Net said but you can't really use it multiple times.    Sintaku  Talk 14:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Liu Rushi
Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

AfD
Hello Yunshui, This AfD is pending closure. 16 days have passed after it was nominated. As you are not involved, can do a favour and close it? Fai zan  11:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that was fun. Closed (after reading through reams of tangential arguments and accusations) as Keep. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:47, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there was some useless conflict, and even involved much sockpuppetry. Anyway, thanks for the closure. Fai  zan  11:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Yunshui! It would have been better if we could get the decision about the possibility of a merger through that AfD, actually that was the reason to go for an AfD instead of a merger. You may know, the merge discussions often take too long to get a consensus (even several months). There was also a discussion in the village pump about it and some participants said that an AfD should be the best place to get a consensus about a merger. Your take on that? Thanks. -- Zayeem (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Zayeem, no one voted for a merger there in the AfD concerned. An AfD runs for an optimal 7 days. It is not Yunshui's fault, he was uninvolved, and he did not side with me. Fai  zan  13:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As Faizan said, no-one really suggested a merge at the AFD. AFD is emphatically not for cleanup - sometimes a merge is decided on as the best result for an article, but you can't propose a merge at AFD; if you take an article there, the debate is over whether to keep it (which included merging) or delete it. The majority - once Nangparbat and his sockfest were stripped out (thanks for flagging them all, by the way!) - of !voters made good arguments for keeping the page as is, so that's how I called it. I've no objection to a merge, but a merge discussion, rather than a deletion discussion, is the venue for that decision. Yes, the merge process is slow - but there's no deadline on Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:54, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's also worth pointing out here that, whilst AFD discussions normally run for at least seven days, there's no compunction to close them after that time limit's been reached. I opted to close because there were sufficient contributions to make a reasonable informed call on the consensus there; relisting was an option if the community's view wasn't clear enough. Usually, we'd expect to relist at least twice before declaring no consensus. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:57, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for your clarifications Yunshui. Can you take a look at the discussion on the article's talk page? Is there any harm to have some related articles as the hatnotes using Template:See also?-- Zayeem (talk) 14:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yunshi my regrets, I did not intend to drag you to the conflict. I just wanted to get the AfD having enough input closed. Fai  zan  12:43, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's okay; I'm under no obligation to participate in the discussion, and if I start thinking that I'm doing more harm than good, I'll back out. You guys get a neutral third party observer (I have no real opinions on the conflicts under discussion), and I get to learn about a historical period that I previously knew nothing about (until last week, I had no idea that Bangladesh had only been around slightly longer than I had!). Really, all I'm interested in is trying to help all of you get to some sort of mutually satisfactory conclusion - I don't actually care what that conclusion is, so long as everyone involved is willing to accept it. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh.. that is not like that. Watch the article for future, I fear it may get more edit-warnings. I agree with you, and you are not harming anyway. The other party ios welcome to opt for any resolution, etc. My regrets again Yunshui, I am also not feeling good after this, fed up of conflicts. We belong to a conflicted region, not like your peaceful countries, thus edit-conflicts. They can be avoided to an extent, but somehow everyone is affected. I wanted a good impression of mine on other fellow editors, my regrets again Yunshui. I will try to stay away from these diseases. Fai  zan  13:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
I hope whatever is happening to you in real life works out - here's a little kitten to watch over you until it does.

SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  07:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC) 


 * Thanks. I shall call him Helix. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I am looking for a mentor
Would you be able to take the role of my mentor? PantherLeapord (talk) 05:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You were too late to accept. :) GorillaWarfare or Jackson Peebles have probably got this one covered. Still, please do tell how many more adoptees do you think you can manage. I'll keep that in mind if anyone is searching for adopters. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati
Just so you know, I've taken it off my watchlist and don't plan to contribute there anymore. (Ongoing promotional edits; misuse of Talk; "prodigy" was added back [prodigy of what?]; occupation = inventor was added back; excessive referencing; accusations of having been "hurtful" to the BLP subject; new unsubstantiated claims added; etc.) I don't have much interest in fighting vandals, or editors who use WP for promotional, etc. Me thinks those are administrative policy issues. Thanks for understanding my decision. Sincere, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ihardlythinkso and Yunshui,
 * I noticed this message, and I went to the article.
 * I have made some pretty substantial changes to the article which hopefully has made it better.
 * Please check the article to see if its ok now.
 * Cheer,
 * TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, those are vast improvements. Am concerned however about ongoing promotional re-adds (if the edit history is any judge). Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Yunshui/Ihardlythinkso

I was disappointed to see all our old data had gone. The data which was approved by you people and you also added some data. I also understand that yes sometimes we people have been very offensive but you can understand the feeling of the people around hridayeshwar when he is not getting the support he required, I apologies for that all behavior. I had shared all the references and you have also helped me a lot in this whole process.

I had a new invention on him i.e. 12 and 60 player chess and shared it there. You initially approved it too. Today I just modified the side image box in which i spitted inventor of 12 and 60 player chess in 2 lines and added child prodigy. I also provided all the references available with me at that time. So what all went wrong. I am not anyway promoting him. We are sharing just the inventions he have made despite all his hardships. Please help us to restore the page back in the older format that you approved a couple of days ago.

Thanks Sudeep Gangal

Respected Administrator Sir: Is it fair to punish the subject, when it deserved award. Why the subject should suffer due to mismanagement by other editors. Obviously the subject deserves and inspires every one and it is the duty of administrators to update and edit as and when required. News of Hridayeshwar singh bhati appeared on (26/6/2013) in " Daily Mail" London under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". His news also appeared on (26/6/2013) in "Mail today" at national level in India under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". Note: " Mail Today" is the reputed newspaper of top most media group in India known by " India Today" Group. Link1 (Mail Today) : http://epaper.mailtoday.in/showtext.aspx?boxid=21950968&parentid=82154&issuedate=2662013 Link 2: ( Daily Mail) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2348320/DESERT-TALES I approach the respected administrator sir to please update the article of Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati. My suggestion would be to add, "Child Prodigy", " Inventor of 12 players circular chess", " Inventor of 60 players circular chess", " Inventor of game with maximum players" in the article and about him. Moreover add the following links to the reference list. Moreover the following categories can also be added in tagged: " Child Prodigy", " Child Prodigies", etc. Last but not the list i approach the respected administrator sir to please, " Edit + Add + Enrich" the article as per his wisdom and great knowledge based on latest development. Regards122.161.60.207 (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui Sir The page of Hridayeshwar which was made by you and SudeepGangal has been reduced to a few lines not even providing complete information. How can such a work represent you and hridayeswar Singh Bhati who is the youngest patent holder in India and has invented various chess variants despite all odds. You had approved all the updates upto 26th June so how can anyone remove the data till that date. I don't know what all was written but it was clear that some useful information would have been added because you approved it. Sir I personally request you to add back required data to the wiki page of Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati so that we can get full information about this wonder kid.117.196.228.93 (talk) 12:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Respected Yunshui sir, Now I have clearly understood what was the issue with words like chess prodigy or child prodigy. Actually I had barred myself from adding such words but when the new articles came about Hridayeshwar in Daily Mail I thought like adding them too. Later NeilN Sir, explained the need of an article by a chess fraternity or a chess blogging website. We will be looking for more linkings to search out it and if even I get one will refer that link 1st to you. I had made an update on 26th June 2013 at 07:53 which was approved by you. That article included details about the 60 player chess also. I request you to please atleast update the page till that status. I promise that I will not add any more words like prodigy or inventor till you permit me to do so.

Regards Sudeep Gangal

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Rahul Duhan
Hello,

I see that Rahul is already blocked for 31 hours for disruptive editing. I'd already sent him a Welcome and message, but he is yet to reply. Hopefully he'll be replying to the messages soon enough now. Given he has no edits on his talk page, I think it may be a case of him not understanding the talk page and its function. I suggest you explore other ways of making him aware of the same; or it looks likely that he may be indeffed soon.

Also, I've suggested Panther to you for adoption. Please tell me if you can adopt them, or I'll ask around for another adopter. Regardless of whether you're adopting or not, I suggest you tell me how many adopters you can handle at a time, so I wouldnt send any more than that your way :)

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:29, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * (answering both this and the thread above) Sorry guys, but given my current situation I'm not going to be around as much as I have been. Probably not a good idea for me to take on any more adoptees; I'll update my profile accordingly. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  19:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok. If you need me to keep an eye on, or help your adoptees, just in case you're not here; I'll be happy to oblige.
 * Also, I've borrowed the idea and the mini barnstars themselves to give to my adoptees for performing highly on a test. I might end up copying a few bits and parts of your adoption course and test too, as I continue to develop my adoption school. Hope you dont mind :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Not at all; please help yourself. Thanks for offering to keep an eye on my current crop - I should be around enough to get them through their adoption school tasks (I prioritise checking their edits whenever I log in) but if you spot any of them getting into difficulties I'd appreciate it if you could step in. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:30, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Morihei Ueshiba
Good luck and of course I will help move it through the mine field. The best way to do this is step by step which means Peer Review --> GA status -->  Featured article. I actually think that we should submit it to Peer Review right now but if you feel you want to fix it up a bit first than that is what we will do - let me know. It is a long maddening process but in this case doable. Sorry you were ill.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, a good PR of the current version would be a sensible option; it could suggest some immediate avenues for improvement (I can already think of several, but a third-party view would be a big help). I'll post it up at WP:PR and see if anyone bites. I'm planning on working on it properly once a couple of books I've ordered have arrived (can't believe that I didn't own A Life in Aikido!), but as a start, I'm thinking of locating and adding page numbers for all the current references. I'm also wondering whether short citations might be a more appropriate format, since I imagine the biography will reference multiple pages of the same John Stevens books quite extensively...
 * Thanks for volunteering to pitch in. I expect to start making my first major sandbox edits on Wednesday or Thursday of this week, but you'd be more than welcome to jump in and make any changes you deem necessary to get started. Thanks also for the condolences, but don't worry - it was nothing serious, and I'm fine now (back on the mat tonight, in fact!) Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK let me submit it for Peer Review - I will archive the talk page at the same time.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * PR's already up, but the TP archiving wouldn't go amiss. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good - and I have also notified the martial arts project page. One thing you could also do is a quick troll through contributors to the Aikido and Ueshiba articles and notify some of the more constructive editors of your intent.  I think there are more than a few who would be happy to give this a push.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look and ping a few of them; your name was first out of the hat for obvious reasons. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui, I'll try to have a look over it if I have time. I'm horribly busy in real life though and the amount of time I've had to edit wikipedia has taken a bit of a tumble. Good luck with it in any case.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  13:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jim. I'm planning to sit down tonight (children permitting) and get the Early Life section sorted out. Anything you can do to help will obviously be appreciated. Good luck with that real life thing, sounds fascinating... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Well the Peer Review has run for the required two weeks and it seems (besides a couple of pithy edits by myself) there has not been that much in the way of help or comments. My suggestion is that we close Peer Review and submit for GA. I would do that right now but wanted to check whether you have added what you intended to.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:49, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Any chance we could hold off for a few days? I still have a fair bit of expansion to do in the "Later life" section, and I haven't fixed the references yet. My Wikipedia time is severely limited at present, but I'll try and get it ready for a GA review by the end of the week. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  19:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course we can. It was just a suggestion.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There's more I'd like to do, but I fear I may well be heading this talkpage with a template fairly soon - I've got so little time to devote to Wikipedia that I may well not be able to finish bring the article up to scratch. At present, the major to-do list is:
 * Expand and source the "Development of aikido", "Legacy" and "Personal traits" sections (might be worth getting rid of that last one or incorporating it into the bio instead)
 * Fix the references - I've used a sort of half-and-half approach with the intent of fixing it up properly later (when I was sure there was no opposition to using short citations), but I don't know when I'll get around to that now, if ever.
 * Expand the lead section to cover all of the pertinent article material; I've made a start on this but there's still lots to be done.
 * Copyedit against MOS:BIO and MOS:J.
 * Should you or anyone else feel up to any of these tasks, they're there for the taking. If I'm around, I'll help out, but I don't foresee being able to do much anymore. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  21:57, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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New article creation
If I were to give you some links would you tell me if the subject was an article was notable enough? Thanks Spaak (talk) 23:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Probably, but it might be another week before I have the time to give you a definitive answer. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

About image uploads
Dear Yunshui, I'm currently in Chicago and there were some images I took that I wanted to upload to the commons. I was wondering since my six-month period is almost over in the next day, can I just go ahead and start uploading images again? ChicagoWiz 04:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If they're self-shot then there should be no problems, and the conditions of your unblock ended a few days ago - go for it. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:00, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Room for one more?
Hi Yunshui? I was wondering, do you think you might have room for an adoptee? There's relevent discussion at my talk page, which you've been mentioned in, so you'll probably have a notification for. Worm TT( talk ) 12:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  21:55, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Yunshui, I cannot thank you enough for the amount of effort you put in schooling me during which I learnt a lot and also made my transition from just being a recent change patroller and doing automated edits, to being a more involved editor in WP. Thanks for everything, Thanks for being my mentor.  A m i t  ❤  01:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Yunshui. An article titled XXYYXX was deleted back in October 2012. There is however an article Xxyyxx which I'd like to have XXYYXX Redirected to. I'm unable to do this since the article was deleted. If you could give me a hand in doing so it would be much appreciated.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanithanEgan (talk • contribs) 21:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Roundhse
Please see User talk:Roundhse. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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ANI notification
Hi, Yunshui. Hijiri88 here. Long time no see! I'm editing under a proxy username in order to keep JoshuSasori off my back for at least the next few days. Anyway, just thought I should mention that I brought your name up in my ANI posting. Cheers! Coldman the Barbarian (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail
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Bangladesh
User:BijoyChakrabarty is violating 3RR, with his pointless, poor English and complications.--Bazaan (talk) 12:22, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You should probably inform another Admin of this since Yunshui is rarely around these days. MM  (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 13:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Adoption School Update
Hi there, sorry I have been gone for so long, but I wanted to let you know that I have now completed the references section of my adoption school. Please review at your convenience. PMChi (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yunshui generally tends to check his adoptees' adoption schools when he's able to be around. Nevertheless it was a good idea to let him know what he's looking for. Good one. MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 18:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for following up, MM. Do you know how often Yunshui gets back to Wikipedia? PMChi (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not very often these days, but since I'm paying a flying visit I've checked your adoption school and given you a tick for completing the section; there are a couple of brief notes there. Cheers for keeping my talkpage under observation, Matticus. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  18:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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ANU Southeast Asia Institute
Hey there! I'm working through old OTRS tickets, following the recent upgrade. I am requesting restoration of the above noted article. Permission was actually received for the content from the ANU website, however, the permission notice was never applied to the talk page of the article, which would have kept the content from deletion. Please feel free to contact me if you have questions. Best regards, Cindy  ( talk ) 17:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Noticed here that your restore was reverted. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back
Good to see you back.  A m i t  웃  18:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I expect to be around a bit this week, but I'm not going to get into anything too involved - a bit of igloo-ing (it's back! yay!) and some behind-the-scenes admin maintenance is about all I'll have time for. Still, it's nice to be back in the encyclopedia business, if only for a short while. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  18:53, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well at-least you would be around, hope things are better on your personal front.  A m i t  웃  18:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not especially, but hey, I have my health and my kids - and a bag of doughnuts, at the moment. Could be a lot worse. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  19:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well thats living life for many :-). Seems we are almost into school season and vandalism is at rise again.  A m i t  웃  19:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't remind me, all hell broke lose on one of my watch listed. Just take a look at the history. Had an SPI and everything. Mind you I did manage to get one in to AIV so I have 1/2 of that question in the adoption school sorted. Anyway, it's good to hear that things are getting better for you Yun. Here's to things getting even better. MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 23:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
PLEASE REMOVE MERGE TAG VARMA KALAI AND MARMA ADI

Please check, analyse and hopefully remove merging tags at Varma Kalai and Marma Adi. Some guys were comment since last year. I've checked several sources in internet and discussed with some instructors, Marma Adi is a part/component of Adi Murai which found in Varma Kalai. This is Tamil/Malayalam Languages and meanings - Marma is secrets/hidden, Adi is hits/attacks, Murai is ways/techniques, Varmam is human body anatomy/pressure points, Kalai is arts. Marma Adi, Adi Murai and Varma Kalai is 3 different terms and functions. Hopefully remove merging tags. Cheers. Samuel waikiki (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * To be quite honest I don't have a clue about anything on that page but have attempted to inject a bit of wisdom into the merge discussion. MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 10:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Block and delete User:FudgeFury, because he always keep ballad as music genre.
Hello, Yunshui, sorry for interrupt, I may suggest you to block indefinitely and then delete User:FudgeFury. Because the reason is he said from now onwards, he keep ballad as a music genre for some Korean K-pop songs' pages that he will not allow to remove ballad. But I guess ballad is not a genre.

And also, his previous user page has been redirected named Farjad0322 also delete. Don't let him to beg you to unblock and restore.

Sorry for the inconvenience! Kind Regards, Leo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Destiny Leo (talk • contribs) 03:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (The Local Bakery) You should probably ask another Admin about this as Yunshui is rarely around. Oh and for the record, user accounts cannot be deleted, just renamed if certain parties see fit which would explain an account disappearing if you've seen one disappear. MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 10:34, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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The Book of the Book
Yo, Yoonshway, long tome no see! Could you delete this The Book of the Book again and then probably salt it? I'd do it myself, but I don't have access to my admin account atm. Thanks! Writ Keeper (WK to move) &#9863;&#9812; 13:23, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, and the creator - whose extensive history of copyright violations I have just been clearing up - is now blocked. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, that works too. Thanks again! Writ Keeper (WK to move) &#9863;&#9812; 13:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)