User talk:Yunshui/Archive 37

Help with article/diplomacy?
I've tagged you on NinjaRobotPirate's page, but I'm posting here and I'll send you an email about the whole situation because it'll take a longer explanation and I don't want to TL;DNR your userpage. Long story short, on the Chris Alexander (editor) page we have some argument about content in the article. Originally there was a controversy section about a piece Alexander wrote for Fangoria under a pen name. There's been contention over whether it was a review or a general article, and whether or not the usage of a pen name is deceptive due to Alexander not outright stating in the article that it was him. We have some fairly heated comments between Alexander and David Pace, who used to write for Fangoria and currently writes for his own website. For the controversy we only have one source, Bloody Disgusting. Alexander argues that the source incorrectly states things and shouldn't be used, whereas Pace says it should be included. It's not a huge mess at this point, but it could get worse and we need a good diplomat to help keep it from getting bad. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   23:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


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Your GA nomination of Juldarigi
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A Good Article (soon hopefully)
I found an article I'd like to bring to GA status. What has to be done to this to make that happen. I read the criteria and have a general idea of what needs to be done, but I really like this article/topic and feel it needs a GA :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪  ߷  ♀ 投稿 ♀  06:26, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Solarra. Well, if you've read the criteria then I'm not sure what more to add. My approach is usually to go through the criteria one point at a time, then go through the entire article to see whether it meets that particular point. Repeat as necessary; I find it usually takes me about a week to go through them all, but for such a lengthy article you might be looking at a longer stretch. It can also be an idea - given the current backlog at GA - to put the nomination in before you start work; that way you'll get a reviewer on board earlier and can start working on their feedback (because there will be feedback...). If it's your first time, you might want to see whether anyone at WikiProject Hawaii wants to chip in and lend a hand; it's always helpful to have an extra pair of eyes.
 * Remember that not everyone's interpretation of the guidelines is the same, and don't be afraid to challenge your reviewer if you feel that they're ignoring the guidelines (telling you to change "who" to "whom" when it's gramatically correct is a necessary part of the process, telling you to change "clearly" to "obviously" because they personally don't like words beginning with "c" is not on). Above all, have fun - it's quite an enjoyable process if you go about it with an open, inquisitive mind (which I'm sure you have!). Yunshui 雲 水 12:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Hi Yunshui, just a question about the CVUA training. There is two areas that I have to report vandalism, in the Good faith and vandalism section and the Warning and reporting section. I reverted a test edit that I put as vandalism in the Good faith and vandalism section, so should I also put it into the other section? (Also, I reworded the answers that you said were wrong.) Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon!  14:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I noticed that you blocked Huontowa, and thought you might want to take a look at this post, which is obvioulsy connected to Huontowa's post, and the IP in Korea that made it. In addition to that post the username "Huontowa" is also an obvious connection to the IP since the IP was blocked for 31h by just minutes before Huontowa showed up. Thomas.W talk 19:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delightful folk, aren't they? Truly a pleasure to interact with... Since the IP's already blocked, not much for me to do - that doesn't really merit a revdel, or indeed, any further consideration by other editors. Yunshui 雲 水 19:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The IP was blocked as a proxy while I was typing my message to you, so I didn't know, but I did suspect that it was a proxy, which is why I wanted to bring attention to it. Thomas.W talk 19:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, well-spotted - you should be an SPI clerk. Seriously, you'd be a big help there. Yunshui 雲 水 19:50, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * To be honest I've never thought about it, even though I've filed quite a few cases at SPI, and spotted many socks. Let me think about it for a while... Thomas.W talk 20:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

SPI
Completely unrelated to my ongoing RFA (thanks btw). I would like to become an SPI clerk trainee, I read the basic qualifications and believe I qualify. Let me know what you think :-) ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  <sub style="color:#006400">♀ Contribs ♀  01:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hell yes; SPI can always use more competent clerks. I think that technically I'm still a trainee myself, so I couldn't mentor you in this, but I'd be happy to put in a good word for you at Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks, or with any of the current clerks you'd like to ask directly. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 06:53, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the outcome of my RFA, this is something I want to do. If you can't personally train me, pointing a clerk who can would be more than welcome :-) <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ Talk ♪   <sup style="color:#006400">♀ Contribs ♀  09:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 's pretty respectable; he'd be a good choice. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 09:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ and ✅ I asked him, lets see what he says. <b style="color:#FC89AC;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">♥ Solarra ♥</b> <sup style="color:green">♪ Talk ♪   <sup style="color:#006400">♀ Contribs ♀  09:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Protecting transcluded pages
Hi, when you add protection templates to a page that is transcluded, please make sure that the pp- template goes inside a <noinclude ></noinclude>. This ensures that the transcluding pages are not marked with the same pp- template, and so keeps them out of, because they are unlikely to have the same protection as the transcluded page. See, where your was not just outside an existing <noinclude ></noinclude>, but also before a comment "When adding protection templates, place them inside the noinclude, because this page is transcluded". The transcluding pages are [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1 these three]. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That'll teach me to rely on Twinkle for my page tagging... Thanks for pointing it out; I've moved the tag. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 11:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

RfD, Please !!
Hi Dear, may You kindly delete this WP Page. I apologize to You and other Dear fellows (Wikipedia:Article titles). 谢谢 / Xièxiè / Thank You !! Sincerely, ← Abstruce  17:49, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * And this WP Page's Talk Page also, Please. I apologize to You and other Dear fellows. 谢谢 / Xièxiè / Thank You !! Sincerely, ←  Abstruce  18:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi, Yunshui,

I was wondering if I could be trained in Counter-Vandalism?

Thanks, Dathus  ( Talk  |  Contribs ) 03:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Dathus. As a rule, we only take on new editors in the Counter Vandalism Academy after they've made about 200 edits to mainspace (to demonstrate that they have a basic grasp of editing and an understanding of how articles should be worked on). At present, you've only made 10 such edits - drop me a line when you've racked up the other 190 and I'd be happy to take you on board. In the interim, this might be a good place to start learning the ropes of counter-vandalism work. All the best, Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:15, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll leave a message when I get the 200! Dathus  ( Talk  |  Contribs ) 09:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC) 09:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Help
Hi, greetings. Would you mind giving your precious view here. Thanks a lot.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 11:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to delete it myself, but it's my opinion that there isn't enough here to warrant a spinoff fork - the table would be better used as an expansion of the Filmography section of the existing Amrita Rao article. I'd recommend merging the information there, instead. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 12:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I made the page keeping "the list of films may increase in future" in mind. But idea of merging with Filmography section of existing Amrita Rao article is really appreciable. But how to merge them? I am unaware and do not know process.-- 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ☣ 16:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're the only contributor - so just copy the code for the table in the "As actor" section, and paste it into the Amrita Rao article, overwriting what's currently under the "Filmography" header there. If you do this, it preserves the attribution, which makes life easier for everyone (otherwise you'll need to reuest a hitory merger between the pages). Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 20:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Juldarigi
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Disputing Unblock
I can't understand that why you unblocked ZORDANLIGHTER, do you know that he is a disaster for this website? His last sock puppet was found in 31 July 2014. I know that everyone deserves 1 million chances but not here, here if sock puppetry is frequent then a person would also miss the chance of STANDARDOFFER. You should undo your action as quickly. You had blocked him but you cannot unblock him for no policy backed reason.

He wouldn't even click on "show preview" before he would make a fake unblock request, shows how serious he was about unblock. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:31, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, that was just plain clumsy of me, and thank you for calling me out on it. My unblock addressed only the AE block; I had not realised that there was such a substantial history of sockpuppetry. I've reinstated an indef block - for abuse of multiple accounts, this time - and left the user a message about it.
 * Thanks again for flagging that up - it was a bad call on my part, and I apologise. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

THANKS!
thank you on your notes about my article :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newsha7 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Any time. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 09:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Checking Previous Edits of Blocked Editors
Hi Yunshui, on 2 May you (justly) blocked User:194.83.240.157 in response to vandalism. I recently noticed an old vandalistic edit from that IP address and undid the revision. It took more than three months for someone - me - to notice that old vandalistic edit. If I hadn't noticed it, maybe nobody would've ever noticed it. When someone gets banned for vandalistic edits, is the procedure to check that person's recent edits for things that need to be undone? If it is, I guess you missed something; to err is human, no problem. If it's not, and I think it's not, do you know where on Wikipedia I could post to suggest a change in policy? Thanks. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 02:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Guess I did indeed miss that one. Usually when I'm blocking a user I'll check through any edits they have that are still listed as the most recent page revisions, revert if necessary - in this case I clearly overlooked one. Thanks for picking it up. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 06:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that just looking through the list for recent page revisions may not be enough. Anyone could've made a (minuscule) change since, including bots. If an anonymous user removes more than 1,000 characters, maybe alarm bells should always go off, because that's quite a lot of text to remove. Just thinking out loud. :) --82.136.210.153 (talk) 11:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Morihei Ueshiba
The article Morihei Ueshiba you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Morihei Ueshiba for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Shudde -- Shudde (talk) 09:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Awesome - thanks Shudde. I'll carry on chiselling away at the suggestions you've made, with the possible intent of getting it to FA next year. Thanks so much for all the useful feedback and suggestions, and the extensive and competent review. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 09:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No problems at all. Was a pleasure and good luck with bringing it up to FA. -- Shudde  talk 09:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Multiple articles failing WP:ENT
Recently I saw several articles on actors who aren't notable enough to meet WP:ENT. A few of them are Daisy Shah, Mishti, Punit Pathak, Henry Byalikov and Isabel Kaif. I have nominated a few others for AfD. Most of them are created by the same user. List of pages created by the user is here. Should I nominate the non-notable ones for AfD? What do you suggest?--Skr15081997 (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've not done a full analysis of all the sources, but (with the possible exception of Byalikov) you probably wouldn't get far with these at AFD. Entertainers don't have to meet WP:ENT if they meet WP:GNG, and it could be argued that the sources in these articles are sufficient for that. The way it basically works is that all articles have to meet WP:GNG (with one exception I'll get to in a moment), but we have pages like WP:ENT because if articles pass the bar there, it's almost certain that they would meet GNG anyway, even if that's not evident from the article. If you've made significant impact in your field, one would expect that there are sources out there. However, it's WP:GNG - not WP:ENT - that ultimately dictates whether an article belongs on Wikpedia; if it passes WP:GNG then it doesn't have to meet any of the more specific guidlines.
 * The one exception to this rule is WP:PROF, which is the only notability guideline that can actually supercede WP:GNG. Because academics don't always receive much press coverage, a pass of WP:PROF is accepted as an indication of notability even if there aren't sufficient sources to pass WP:GNG. Needless to say, an academic who passes WP:GNG but not WP:PROF would still merit an article.
 * Hope that makes things clearer. With regards to the articles, I'd recommend trying to make improvements rather than angling for deletion; those you've listed could probably be brought up to scratch with a bit of work. I'm not saying you shouldn't file an AFD for some of them, just be circumspect, and don't expect the discussion to automatically go in favour of deletion. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 14:04, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with your reasons above. The deletion debates of a few articles AfDed by me are Articles_for_deletion/Rishabh_Sinha, Articles_for_deletion/Khushboo_Purohit_(2nd_nomination). Sooraj Pancholi and Athiya Shetty only have an unreleased film to their credit. I have another issue with this user. When a redirect is created by someone else and he thinks that the subject is possibly notable he creates a page with a wrong title and then requests at WP:RM to move the page. The latest example is Dhoom 4. I had created it as a redirect to the film series and he created a page with a different title and in the very next edit he made a request at WP:RM. The film's actors and actresses haven't been announced and he had created the page.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

i would like to change my username because of copyright reasons ...please help me.....
my username now is Mark Olango but i would like to change it to KING ICONIC & AFRICA'S FINEST.......please help .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Olango (talk • contribs) 04:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Modest, I like it. You will need to file a request at Changing username; just follow the instructions there. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 07:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

User Name Issue & Some Other Items
First, thank you for clearing up the issue with the Rehsgal user name --- I have requested the Gulakos name to avoid any future issues.

Now on to the Rehs Galleries issue. When that page was originally added to Wikipedia (back in 2009) it was accepted and I was very clear about my connection to the firm. I am pretty sure that the text (firm's history) for the Wikipedia article (which was removed by an editor this week) was written and posted before a very similar text was added to the Rehs Galleries web site. I have read all the links that editors have posted about the COI and even though I would technically have a COI, I do not think (and please correct me if I am wrong) that anything in the text would be considered self-promoting. The text is a simple history of the gallery which began in the 1940s. Is it possible to get the history added back to the article? If there is still a serious issue with the text being very similar on both sites, the one on the Rehs web site will be rewritten.

In addition, I would really like to understand why the name of the firm's page (originally Rehs Galleries, Inc.) was changed to Rehs Galleries? The firm is known worldwide as Rehs Galleries, Inc. --- not Rehs Galleries.

One more item ... the same editor, that seems to be coming at me for some unknown reason, has asked for a speedy deletion of emile munier. I am the world expert on this artist and nobody knows more about him than me. Back in 2006 I posted a longer article and was told that it was identical to the one on the emilemunier.org web site. The original editor who reviewed it stated that if I left the article on the page it would become public domain and I would not be able to keep the copyright ... I then went ahead and cut the article down to just some basic info, hoping that someone would come along and add more info --- that, over the last 8 years, never happened.

I do not understand why this page would now be flagged for speedy deletion? I am not Emile Munier and he was an important 19th century French artist. Also, an image I added to Wikipedia was deleted ... when it was originally added I gave up the copyright -- it is a photo I personally took of a painting by Munier.

Again, thank you for your assistance.

Howard L. Rehs (talk) 12:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Number of things to deal with here, so sorry for the lengthy response...
 * Regarding editing the page; no, I'm not particularly concerned by your previous edits. However, our COI guideline states that . We don't entirely forbid editors with a conflict of interest from editing pages about themselves or their organisations, but community consensus is very strongly against such editors doing any more than very basic housekeeping and anti-vandalism work.
 * Your website's About Us page was created on July 26th 2009, at which point the History text was already present in the Wikipedia article, so hosting it on Wikipedia is not a copyright violation. However, by reusing this text on your website, you are breaking the terms of the licence under which you originally released it. When you save content to Wikipedia, you release it under the CC-BY-SA licence that covers reuse of Wikipedia's content Under the terms of this licence, if you reuse material from Wikipedia, even if it's material that you yourself wrote, you are obliged to release any derivative works - such as your webpage - under the same licence. Your website clearly states that its content is, which is in violation of this requirement. The CC-BY-SA licence is irrevocable, meaning that you cannot now claim exclusive rights to the content. Thus, while it is legitimately possible to re-add the material to the Wikipedia page, you will also need to update your website to reflect the fact that the text if free to reuse - you can do this by adding footer text to the effect that.
 * Article titles on Wikipedia are governed by various naming conventions; the relevant guideline in this case is Naming conventions (companies), which states that Exceptions are made when disambiguation between similarly-titled entities is needed, but that's not the case here. "Rehs Galleries" is therefore the right naming format on Wikipedia.
 * Unlike the Rehs Galleries page, the article on Munier is undoubtably a copyright violation. The text appeared on http://www.emilemunier.org/biography.htm in 2003, several years before you added it to Wikipedia. At that time, and ever since, the page stated . We therefore cannot host this text on Wikipedia (although if you were to release it under CC-BY-SA, as described above, then we could).
 * The issue with the image appears similar on the surface - you added it to Wikipedia after placing it on your website. However, in this case the picture was in the public domain (the artist was deceased and his copyright had long since expired, and photographic reproductions of flat images such as paintings do not generate a new copyright). I will restore the image and add the appropriate licence tags.
 * Again, I apologise for the length of the above, but I hope this covers all of your questions adequately. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I do appreciate the time you took and no apologies are necessary. I have added the line of text you suggested to the bottom of our web site page: http://www.rehs.com/aboutus.html?contemporary=N. I would like to know if you can now put the Rehs Galleries Wikipedia page back to the way it was a few days ago -- images, links and all? Shortly, we will have a new history page written for the gallery's web site which is completely different from the Wiki page.

In the future ... if there are timeline updates/corrections for the gallery's history how do I have those added or changed? Do I just post them on the talk page and wait for someone to add them? Will an editor actually look at that?

I will also work on new text for the emile munier Wikipage and post that shortly. In addition, thank you for putting the image back.

Enjoy your day

Howard L. Rehs (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Already done with respect to Rehs Galleries; I'll double check and then undelete the Munier article. In terms of updating the page, yes, that's pretty much the process - you can (and should) however, add the code to the top of your message, which will get attention from users monitoring the requseted edits category. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水  13:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, mis-read your message. The Munier article can't be put back until the source page is licenced correctly, so will have to stay deleted for now. You are welcome to add new text (just go to Emile Munier and start creating the page), but if you want to reuse the old text, pop a CC-BY-SA licence on the www.emilemunier.org/biography.htm page and drop me a message; I'll be quite happy to undelete the previous version. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Again ... greatly appreciated ... can you remove the COI box on the top of the Rehs page or does that have to stay there? Also, I will place with tag line on the Munier page when I get to my office computer. Will let you know when that is done. Howard L. Rehs (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Should really stay, at least for the time being. I'm off on holiday for a week or so now, but if you post here about Munier I'm sure one of my talkpage stalkers will take care of it. Alternatively, you could make a request at requests for undeletion; just explain the situation and refer them to this thread. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:48, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I made the changes to the text on the Munier site as suggested: http://www.emilemunier.org/biography.htm

Can that deletion be undone once you are back from vacation? Enjoy your time off.

Howard L. Rehs (talk) 23:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Careful with the copyvio
Licensing info from http://www.rehs.com/aboutus.html?contemporary=N :

I've reverted your change on Rehs Galleries. That clearly remains copywritten material on his web page and needs to follow this process for inclusion in wikipedia. Even if he were to remove the copyright, WP:PERMISSIONS and OTRS is there for a reason. As an admin, I'd have expected you to know that. The Dissident Aggressor 19:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If you check - as I did - you'll find that the Wikipedia text predates the text on his website, by about four months. The CC-BY-SA licence is there because I asked him to put it up to comply with the licence under which he was reusing Wikipedia's content. Since the free CC-BY-SA release of this material predates the copyright claim on his website, that claim is nullified with respect to the reproduced text. If you take thirty seconds to read the thread above you will see the discussion which led to my re-instatement of the text. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 21:54, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you know when the material was on his website?  Please seek OTRS resolution. The Dissident Aggressor 22:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * By doing a very simple Wayback search. If you don't know how to do that... perhaps you should learn, before making very bad calls on copyright issues and then aggressively going after those who try to correct your mistakes. The About Us page on the gallery website first appears on June 26th 2009, at which time the text was already in the Wikipedia article - which you can verify by checking the page history. And please don't lecture me about OTRS; I volunteer there and deal with multiple permissions tickets every day. Rather than assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant/incompetent - which seems to be something of a theme for you, by the looks of your talkpage - perhaps you should consider the possibility that those of us who have been here for several years might actually know what we're doing. Crazy thought, but hey, why not give it try for size? Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 22:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And, uh, even if not, given that the article text is now released under CC-BY-SA, we don't need to go through any process to use it; it's free for us to use anyway, as its license is compatible with Wikipedia's. OTRS isn't required regardless. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 22:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Wayback shows when it was crawled, not created. The Dissident Aggressor 22:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's irrelevant, because I've re-added the text with attribution, so even if that site's text predate's Wikipedia's, the CC-BY-SA license both texts are licensed under is now satisfied. No OTRS permission necessary, since it's CC-BY-SA. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 22:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

What the heck are you doing here ? No CC-BY-SA in sight. The Dissident Aggressor 22:54, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That image is tagged as public domain, is it not? I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be; I don't think taking a picture or digital image of a painting gives one copyright, and I doubt adding a watermark would either (though I could be wrong). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 22:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Those watermarks are put there deliberately to trace the origin of the image. Almost every gallery does that and the Rehs Gallery page where it's used says copyright.
 * I probably should just walk away now because it's clear that copyright is pretty lax here. If you admins don't care, I don't either.  The Dissident Aggressor 23:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if that's how you're gonna be about it. I mean, copyright is important, but we must beware of cutting off our noses to spite our faces, too. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 23:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

As far as the copyright for images. Most works by artists who have been dead for more than 75 years fall into the public domain (though there are exceptions to this). We place that watermark (as do others) on the images so people cannot attempt to sell the painting without our knowledge ... which happens from time to time. We have found our paintings (before watermarking them) being offered on sites like eBay. Of course, a person with great talent can remove a watermark, but in general most people will walk away from watermarked images and bother someone else. I should add that in the beginning we watermarked images in a way that you really needed to look hard for the watermark ... and when we found them on eBay, etc. we were able to take swift action.

By the way ... if you look at most of the images on our contemporary site, they are watermarked as well ... and we really do not need to do that since the copyright rests with the artist ... but once again, it keeps some people from 'stealing' and 'using' them when they shouldn't.

For all involved here ... even The Dissident Aggressor ... enjoy your weekend/vacation

Peace Out!

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Hello! I have read many of your posts, but I do not think I have had the pleasure of "talking" to you directly until now. I finally got around to really reading your user page. Your insights into Wikipedia addiction are hilarious! Thank you for brightening my day. Just a thought... I recognized the pattern of this "obsession" from another community, the SCA which sports a similar list: "You know you're in the SCA when...". So, have you ever thought of sharing your brilliant observations on a page here on the Wikipedia (aside from your own), something like "You know you're into the Wikipedia when..."? Speaking from personal experience, I am sure others have had moments like yours when the Wiki-way (or Wiki-do, the first non contact martial art) takes over, and could add to such a compilation. A couple of days ago I actually reacted when a friend said: "But it's a great film!" I thought: It should be "noted film"...

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Hello. Thanks for all your terrific feedback on student proposals. Students have now posted a link to their sandbox draft in response to your feedback and are ready for your final review of their full article draft. Please try to have this review finished before Monday (August 11) at 6pm. Thanks so much for your help and let me know if you have any questions. Matthewvetter (talk) 12:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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DYK for Morihei Ueshiba
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Adopt an Editor
Hello Yunshuni, I understand you are excepting new editors as part of the Adopt an Editor programme. I was wondering if you would take me on because I'm new to Wikipedia and I am very Keen to Learn all Wikipedia Has to offer, and I believe I can learn a lot from you. Happy Editing, (Eh567 (talk)(. — Preceding undated comment added 20:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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Can you be my mentor please
Please. I have done so many violations on it that I need help fixing my mistakes. People are kinda worried because I'm not suppose to create categories. Maybe you could speak on my behalf. I'm wondering if you what categories are suitable to create and not suitable to create. I'm not banned yet you see; I just can't create categories I do have some mental health issues. Please Venustar84 (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
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Morihei Ueshiba GA Status
Congrats and thanks for the effort. It was a long time coming.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. More still to be done... I'm envisaging a Featured Article eventually, though that may be another year or more in the delivery. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 12:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Oh, I'm more than happy to let it sit as a GA for a while... I have another article in mind for FA first, which will hopefully be an easier run (if the GA is anything to go by, getting Morihei Ueshiba to FA is going to require many months of extensive work!). Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Bells are far less controversal. Good call.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Adam Buckley (comedian)
A few days ago, you closed this AfD as a delete. Today, the subject of the article posted a video detailing a somewhat unrelated part of the affair, most likely leading to it being recreated today. I just wanted to let someone know that first it might be a G4 (and is definitely a BLPProd), since I haven't seen the previous version of the page, and second, might be worth protecting for a few days, given the publishing of the video calling attention to this article. Thanks for your time,  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  00:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks as though it's already been taken care of while I was away. Having seen the video (thanks for that link) and his comments in the AFD, I rather wish we did have a page about him - he's one of the few online celebs who seems to actually have a clue about how Wikipedia works. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 10:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Regarding deleted page Goonga Pehelwan.
Hi. This is with respect to the discussion we had a few days ago. I would like to clarify that Goonga Pehelwan is the name of the documentary for which I am trying to create a Wikipedia page. This does not violate any rules, I hope. Can I go ahead and rewrite the article now?

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 * I'd recommend that you file a change of username request first (you're likely to run into difficulties with your current username, as it matches the title of the film; see the username policy for more details), but I see no harm in you rewriting the article. Remember that you absolutely must not use text that has already been published on the web or anywhere else (write the article in your own words) and that the content must be written from a neutral point of view - if there's any suggestion of advertising or promotion, it's likely to be deleted, especially so since you have an admitted conflict of interest. However, as long as you are careful and abide by the best practice guidelines for editors with a COI, I've no objection to you writing a new draft. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 10:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Blocked IP 46.36.38.75
Hello. The editor you just blocked as is back, now as, and is now also reverting TRPoD on other articles. Thomas.W talk 11:58, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've blocked his new IP, and I've put a lock on the article for a few days for good measure. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 12:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Your experience with Teahouse
Hello Yunshui,

I am working on a project to support the development of current and future newcomer mentorship programs on Wikipedia.

Because you recently participated in the Teahouse, I would like to interview you about your experience in this program.

If you are interested, please email me at gmugar [at] syr.edu and hopefully we can find a convenient time to conduct an interview via Skype or Google hangout.

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Regarding deleted page of VisionDirect
Today you've closed VisionDirect's AfD through deletion. I was hoping some of the users would re-read through the article again since the last comment of the discussion was the 1st of September and the page was completely re-written on the 3rd of September. I see that no users re-reviewed the article in the deletion log. I should have mentioned this myself in the deletion log, but believed others would spot that the article had been re-written to conform with Wikipedia guidlines. After the 3rd it was no longer WP:PROMO, reliable sources were added for WP:CORP, no longer a WP:SPA and followed the guidelines set down in WP:WEB. Would it be possible to re-open the discussion for the AfD for a period of week or two. This would ensure more discussion in the deletion log and ascertain if the new page really did not conform to guidelines. Thank you for your consideration User:Smeldridge 14:40, 08 September 2014 (UTC)
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Curtis Books
Why in God's name did you speedy this article immediately upon undeletion? Curtis Books was a significant American publishing house for more than fifty years, and certainly is not a subject meriting deletion, no less summary deletion without discussion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I now see what was going on, which was that another user commandeered the redirect I created (which pointed to a very major publishing company) and converted it into an unsourced article of dubious accuracy. Before I speedy-nominate a page, I check for things like this -- which turn up with unhappy frequency. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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User:Sabazius01
Hi Yunshui, I extended User:Sabazius01 block before I saw that you'd declined the request etc. Please feel free to change the block back to the original if you'd like. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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Juan Martín del Potro 2014 tennis season
Hello, I read your article of why you deleted a page that someone created. I believe that this page that I created should not be deleted. I would like to know why you did it. Please answer in my talk page, thank you. JoseRodil25 (talk) 20:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for your insight on Teahouse
I'm new so I don't know how else to thank but I very much appreciated your input on my recent question. --Wakeman60438 (talk) 15:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks
Thanks for helping with Hina Aoyama. When I got an edit conflict my heart sank but when I saw what you had done I was really relieved, you'd done a better cleanup that I had attempted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It was rather awful - I'll confess that my finger hovered over the delete button for a bit before I decided to do some trimming instead. Looks as though she scrapes past the notability barrier (and her work is really quite stunning!) but that's an article in need of some attention (along with the umpteen million others...). Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 13:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding deletion of page: Hollingsworth & Vose (company)
You cite the deletion of this page as copyright and advertising (G11 and G12). I would like this to be further discussed. Can the article be revised or reformatted?

10:41, 14 May 2013 Yunshui (talk | contribs) deleted page Hollingsworth & Vose (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement: http://dvhss.org/hh/hh_fall09.pdf G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.37.67.48 (talk)
 * Apart from the promotional content, the article was, from its first iteration, a copyright violation of an article published in Hollingsworth Heritage (page 10 of this document). It therefore cannot be restored in its previous form. I've nothing against someone creating an article about the company (provided that the usual notability and sourcing requirements are met), but it can't use that text. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 08:55, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Dan Wootton
Hi there, You took down the profile picture of Dan Wootton due to copyright concerns. Dan Wootton provided the picture himself and uses the same picture on his social media pages on Twitter etc. I did add extra detail when asked but it still got removed. What do I need to do to get it reinstated?

Ben (Bennyboyjamin) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bennyboyjamin (talk • contribs) 11:34, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You will need to provide evidence from the owner of the copyright (this may be Dan Wooton, but it's more likely to be the photographer or the newspaper (if it's a byline photo)) that they release the image under a CC-BY-SA or similar free licence. They will need to use the wording of the Declaration of consent for all enquiries, and will need to email this from a URL-associated email (i.e. not Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo etc.) to permissions-e wikimedia.org. Please see Donating copyrighted materials for more information. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 09:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Amazite
There now reposting their previously removed article back on to their talk page. Might need to pull talk page access. Amortias (T)(C) 17:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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