User talk:Yupik/Archive 9

May you join this month's editathons from WiR!
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June events with WIR
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July events from Women in Red!
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Linda Aslaksen
Hi there, Yupik. You might like to look at this. Despite numerous additions, it's still being proposed for deletion. I hope your interesting session at Wikimania attracts some attention.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know and I hope so too :) I added in a link to the Norwegian National Library's db of articles talking about her so hopefully that helps. I'll be pretty much offline now for a week for Wikimania, so the timing is really bad on this one! (I've also added a similar link to Liv Inger Somby's talk page. -Yupik (talk) 12:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Expanded list of Sami people

 * You may also be interested to know I have expanded the List of Sami people based on all the related categories. Please add any other names of people covered by the EN wiki which I have not included. The list could be a basis for improving Wikidata coverage too.--Ipigott (talk) 09:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I'll try to get around to it within the next couple of weeks, especially since I just received a huge, fabulous list from someone in one of the Saami communities. Also I changed the list so it's people who are Sami or of Sami descent irregardless of where they were born since a lot of the community is in areas outside of the so-called traditional area. -Yupik (talk) 13:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Cameroon orthographies
Hi,

We spoke today about orthographies in Cameroon, and how are they helpful or not.

What I know about this comes mostly from this very interesting article: [https://web.archive.org/web/20100203050933/http://cogprints.org/1446/0/identity.pdf Bird, Stephen. 2001. "Orthography and Identity in Cameroon."]. It is linked from the Wikipedia article General Alphabet of Cameroon Languages.

Regards! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * This is great, thanks! I'll look into it on the boat ride back home :) -Yupik (talk) 22:33, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Pite Sami orthography
Do you happen to know if there is documentation for the official orthography anywhere? Rua (mew) 08:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * There is. I used it as a reference in the article itself and it can also be found here. -Yupik (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I must have missed it. Rua (mew) 12:02, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * My pleasure! Thank you, by the way, for all the work you do on these articles! -Yupik (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jiella


A tag has been placed on Jiella requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jaakko Gauriloff
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October Events from Women in Red
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DYK for REDress Project
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DYK for Jaakko Gauriloff
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Samica (book series)
Bures | Тӣррв!

This new article related to Sámi Studies was moved to Draft:Samica_(book_series). Can you help getting it pass through review? (I'm actually not getting what the problem was to begin with.)

Michael.riessler (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Тӣррв! I noticed you've found some really good sources that are independent of the series. I think it should be ok now. -Yupik (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Sara Wesslin
I've made a start on this. It would be good to have her date of birth (or just the year). I have not been able to find anything more on her success in receiving ministerial funding for education in the Sami languages. Perhaps you can find something in Finnish.--Ipigott (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, thanks! I'll try to find out what I can about her. If this had come out at the end of August, I could've just asked in person :D Since you seem to know some Finnish, maybe you can work out what they say about her in this article? It talks about how long she's been at Yle Sápmi and other things she's done. If you can't understand it, I'll try to get around to translatin the most relevant parts by tomorrow. Also your article made it into a FB post :) Some more articles about what she's been up to (en) and (fi),  (I'm pretty sure there's an English version of this one floating around somewhere), . She's really good at hardhitting news. -Yupik (talk) 16:44, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Found it. She's also been a board member of Suoma Sámi Nuorat rs (SSN), an NGO of young Saami in Finland. Her being on the BBC list has made it into all the major media channels in Finland such as the Helsingin Sanomat. -Yupik (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * there's a problem with the BBC's article about her. It says that she secured funding for language teaching, but this is what she took the ministry on for. The links I have in the second msg above like the Barents Observer one say what she did correctly. I think I'll take on the BBC and change it. :) -Yupik (talk) 08:49, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Another link to what she's been up to -Yupik (talk) 09:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your edits. I understand Swedish but not Finnish. Anything you think I have translated from Finnish comes from machine translation tools. I see someone changed her age to 27. That doesn't seem to check with her age given in several articles. Maybe you could check it out and establish her actual year of birth.--Ipigott (talk) 10:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sara Wesslin
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December events with WIR
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DYK for Sara Wesslin
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A kitten for you!
You are welcome..

Rocky 734 (talk) 03:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)  Thank you! That kitten is so cute <3 -Yupik (talk) 22:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia biography standards
Hi. Please could you try and keep to the Wikipedia biography standards? I noticed that you added place of birth and death for Matti Ahde inside the brackets in the introduction. This is wrong in English wikipedia and I have corrected it. Deb (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that you didn't mean to come across the way you did, but your question bit makes it sound like I'm some sort of repeat offender. If you leave out the question for the next person who accidently places place of birth and death with the dates, the message is the same, just a lot nicer. Diolch yn fawr! Hope you've had a great holiday season. -Yupik (talk) 07:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I assumed you weren't familiar with the English wikipedia biography standards, since you changed the article only after he appeared on Recent deaths. It was correct previously. A change like that is not the same as an accident, and it can be rather annoying after you've already checked an article. Hyvää uutta vuotta. Deb (talk) 10:56, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to the 2020 WikiCup
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DYK for Bronisław Pięcik
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February with Women in Red
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Kirsti Ilvessalo
Hi Yupik! No rush, but if/when you have some time, can you take a look at the article on Kirsti Ilvessalo, which I translated from Swedish, but there's more info in the Finnish-language article? Thanks, and happy holidays. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do also with offline sources. WMFI is planning an edit-a-thon for Women's Day at the beginning of the year; maybe we can convince someone to flesh out the article on the fiwiki :) But if Valentine's Day hits and I still haven't done anything about it, send me a PM in FB please since I'm thinking about taking an extended vacation from the enwiki for a while. Also, I'll drop you a line when I've done it so you can keep an eye on it, since everything I do on the enwiki seems to be getting reverted nowadays. -Yupik (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Well that's a bummer ("everything I do on the enwiki seems to be getting reverted nowadays"); if you think I can help with anything, just let me know. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:37, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is and most of it just feels petty. Will do :) -Yupik (talk) 21:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm finally getting some free time in the beginning of next week. Do you still want me to take a look at the article and see what I can find on this end? -Yupik (talk) 04:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Also I found two copies of the same photo of her during her college years and . The people in the photo are from left to right: Birger Kaipiainen, Arttu Brummer, Runar Engblom, and Kirsti Ilvessalo. -Yupik (talk) 04:47, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Great find! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Category for Sami women academics
I have been wondering whether it would be useful to create Category:Sami women academics in line with the other categories listed under Category:Women academics by ethnicity. It looks as if it might be rather difficult as we do not have Category:Sami academics or Category:Sami women. So perhaps a first step would be to create Category:Sami academics along the lines of Category:Sami-language writers with subcategories on Category:Finnish Sami academics, Category:Norwegian Sami academics, Category:Russian Sami academics and Category:Swedish Sami academics. Or maybe we could simply create Category:Sami academics like Category:Sami actors, categorizing it with Category:Sami people by occupation and Category:Academics by ethnicity. We could then create Category:Sami women academics as a non-diffusing subcategory. What do you think?--Ipigott (talk) 13:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it's a great idea, but I'm not sure how many Saami academics we have on the enwiki and if there'd be enough to not end up facing speedy deletion right away. I'd leave off the ones by country or make them into Saami academics in Finland instead of Finnish Saami academic. -Yupik (talk) 19:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done what I can with these but as you say there are not many of them. I've kept to Cat Finnish Sami... etc., as that's the style used in parallel categories. Maybe more names will be revealed at the Sami education conference in May. Or perhaps you can draw my attention to those who have biographies in the Sami languages.--Ipigott (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, someone will eventually move the country-based ones because they are not correct. The Saami are Saami, not Finns (unless their other parent is Finnish), so categorizing them as Finnish Sami academics is going to cause problems. I'm sure I'll hear no end of it on this end. -Yupik (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should also have an article in English on Else Grete Broderstad, , -- but maybe she is not Sami? And how about Pigga Keskitalo?--Ipigott (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd have to wait on Keskitalo, since she's my teacher this spring :D -Yupik (talk) 12:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Different issue, Sami academics is restricted to people who are Sami? Because we also have a lot of academics teaching Sami subjects who are not Sami. And thank you for creating those cats! -Yupik (talk) 12:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

General revision of Sami categories
I note you write Saami rather than Sami but a Google search shows that Sami is far more common in English. From what you say above, we need to take on a general revision of many of the Sami categories. Do you agree to the following?


 * Move Category:Finnish Sami people to Category:Sami people in Finland
 * Move Category:Finnish Sami academics to Category:Sami academics in Finland
 * Move Category:Finnish Sami musicians to Category:Sami musicians in Finland
 * Move Category:Finnish Sami politicians to Category:Sami politicians in Finland


 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami people to Category:Sami people in Norway
 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami academics to Category:Sami academics in Norway
 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami musicians to Category:Sami musicians in Norway
 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami politicians to Category:Sami politicians in Norway
 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami sportspeople to Category:Sami sportspeople in Norway


 * Move Category:Swedish Sami people to Category:Sami people in Sweden
 * Move Category:Swedish Sami academics to Category:Sami academics in Sweden
 * Move Category:Swedish Sami musicians to Category:Sami musicians in Sweden
 * Move Category:Swedish Sami politicians to Category:Sami politicians in Sweden
 * Move Category:Swedish Sami sportspeople to Category:Sami sportspeople in Sweden

Do we also need the following?


 * Move Category:Finnish Sami-language writers to Category:Sami-language writers in Finland
 * Move Category:Norwegian Sami-language writers to Category:Sami-language writers in Norway
 * Move Category:Russian Sami-language writers to Category:Sami-language writers in Russia
 * Move Category:Swedish Sami-language writers to Category:Sami-language writers in Sweden

Before we actually go ahead and move them, it might be useful to see if there are comments from and/or, both of whom have done considerable work on categories.--Ipigott (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC) The procedure for nominating a big bunch of categories like this is complex and not user-friendly. I use some techniques which make this easy for me, but most editors don't have that. I wouldn't want those technical issues to stand in the way of anyone making a nomination ... so if anyone wants to make their case at CFD, then I will be happy to help by making a neutral nomination, so that others can add their rationales in their !votes. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, @Ipigott. I have three thoughts:
 * my knowledge is limited to a brief reading of the article Sámi people. But from that, to seems to me that the whole question of nationality of the Sami seems to have a history of controversy and repression.  My own personal preference is strongly against telling anyone what their nationality or ethnicity is, but the test here is not views, it's WP:NPOV ... which means a balance of the reliable sources. From what I have learnt so far, I am unsure whether "Swedish Sami people" or "Sami people in Foo" better fits that test.  I may be persuaded to take a view, but I'd need to see the case, and until I oppose change.
 * The format "Sami-language writers in Sweden" is problematic for navigation, because the position of the occupation in the middle of the nationality/ethnicity/location info breaks naming conventions, and makes tools such as Fooian fooers unusable. Naming coventions are not iron laws, and exceptions do apply (e.g. for NPOV reasons, we have Category:People from Northern Ireland rather than the conventional en.wp format of "Northern Irish people") ... but I would oppose breaking the convention unless the breach is necessary to avoid inaccuracy or POV problems.
 * Any move should be proposed at WP:CFD, with all the categories listed and tagged, a clear statement of the reasons for the change, and neutral notifications to relevant WikiProject. Please do NOT move the categories without a CFD discussion.
 * The Saami people from X is the form the Saami themselves prefer. They've been saying for instance "sápmelaš politihkkár Norgga bealde", which means "Saami politician from X". So the issue is that they consider themselves to be first and foremost from Sápmi, then because other people require it, from some country. The same issue arises with their names too: they have a Saami name and then there's the one that shows up in the colonialistic systems of the country that they live in. -Yupik (talk) 16:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Just remembered to look back at this. I fully understand their feelings but unfortunately all their biographies categorize them by country. As far as I can see, this is also the case for the other language versions of Wikipedia. If you feel strongly about it, then I suggest you tale it up at WP:CFD as suggested above.--Ipigott (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel strongly about it, but right now (and for the foreseeable future) don't have the time to take it to CfD. -Yupik (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Too many tildes?
You've signed up anonymously for the destubathtion! Pam D  06:14, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * So I have :D Pretty funny that it would do that instead of saying Yupik~. Thanks for letting me know! -Yupik (talk) 06:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Ruth M. Arthur
Hi, Yupik, a message awaits for your input, or one Danish translation was picked up from OCLC database. I hope you can find which original title it was translated from.

Also, I used a Gadget to all raw http links so that titles and so on will be auto-filled. However, sorry that it applies access-dates as 23/24 February 2020, or the date the Gadget manouvred. If possible, could you correct the access-dates to when you have originally added them please? Lastly, will you please add the newpaper column title for their marriage notice, which was blank when I poked? Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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Ethnicity vs. nationality
I thought this might interest you because of the Sami biographies that you and I plus worked on last year. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for drawing our attention to the discussion. I am fully aware of the problem of nationality vs. ethnicity in connection with the Samis. Not long ago, I made a proposal for introducing new categories based on ethnicity rather than nationality but this did not appear to be acceptable. It certainly seems to be the case that most Samis would prefer to be recognized first and foremost by ethnicity but this is somewhat complicated by the fact that the majority are connected to national organizations related to politics, education, the media or sports. So it looks to me as it we'll just have to live with things as they are for the time being.--Ipigott (talk) 10:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Sámi Dieđalaš Áigečála
Could you have a look at this. There's a second attempt to have it deleted.--Ipigott (talk) 10:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * . Would you be able to help Ipigott with this? I really don't know what to say other than the nominator seems to be determined to get rid of this article at all costs, so I have no idea what would be considered useful unfortunately. -Yupik (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * . Are citations from stuff written about in that publication ok? For example, an article from it was cited in this newspaper article. Kotus, i.e. The Institute for the Languages of Finland and its counterpart in Sweden Institute for Language and Folklore. It's discussed in the book that all students of Saami studies has to read in Finland. Yle news coverage:, , . It's been considered to be of such a good quality that it's been used in the mother tongue portions of the Finnish matriculation exams for Inari Saami and Northern Saami. Some more: , , , , , , , , , , , . Also. it's frequently misspelled as SAMI DIEDALAS AIGECALA outside of the Saami-speaking world. Do these help? :D -Yupik (talk) 11:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just been explained to me that it's not an AfD, simply a prod for notability. Perhaps you can improve the article on the basis of the above or simply explain the background on the talk page. I'm no expert with Sami publications myself. In this connection, you may be interested to know that this is just one of many recent articles on the Samis by . (cc ).--Ipigott (talk) 12:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now and I'll forget by the time I do. Thanks for letting me know about ! Great stuff, keep up the good work! -Yupik (talk) 12:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. I added two more citations as to the role of SDÁ in building Sámi languages as languages of research and science, but I don't think it will change 's opinion. In general, as I understand his objections, he's looking for coverage of the journal itself, not citations of papers it's published, or for evidence that it's included in a selective index of publications (which I would think NSI Level 2 status would qualify as, but ...) Carter (talk) 13:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem is that I cannot access any library books that might discuss SDÁ right now since the libraries they are in are closed because of the pandemic. The other part is the same problem we see for pretty much any indigenous or minority publication not in English, which is non-coverage outside of the community itself and a lack of understanding of the importance of the publication to the scientific community (and the community in general) that uses the language(s). -Yupik (talk) 14:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think your second point hits the nail right on the head. "Notability" isn't always going to be immediately evident based solely on English-language sources, but that doesn't make something non-notable, especially when talking about "small" languages/communities. Carter (talk) 20:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Vammatar
Here's another one requiring some Finnish expertise. Also up for deletion.--Ipigott (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know! I've put my two cents in. -Yupik (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Rosiestep submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * I would like to nominate Editor Yupik because of their work associated with indigenous people, specifically the Sami. It should be of interest and noted that Yupik has worked more on the Sami and Finnish wikis than on the English version. Fellow editors have learned more about indigenous people and how to write about their own culture by seeing Yupik's personal work and cultural advocacy. In addition to writing articles, Yupik has uploaded many images and helped others understand the culture of Wikipedia so that things are done right when creating and improving articles within this focus. They are also very active with Wikidata in this regard. User:Ipigott and User:Megalibrarygirl provided seconds for this nomination

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week: Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   13:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * ,, and : Thank you so much for this incredible honour and the wonderful surprise! I'm still flabbergasted by it <3 -Yupik (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And thank you,, for letting me know about it! -Yupik (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome and you deserve it! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yupik, you totally deserve it! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It comes at the right time as you have contributed so much to covering indigenous people, not just on the EN Wikipedia but on other language versions. Your updated redlist on indigenous women should prove particularly useful for Women in Red this month.--Ipigott (talk) 07:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)