User talk:Yvesnimmo/Archive 1

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Thanks for giving me the awesome info, Yvesnimmo! Wikiisawesome 12:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Symphony Orchestras
Hey Yvesnimmo! I think we should get an article about the NBYO started on Wikipedia. If you have any suggestions, send them over to me or start it yourself. I'm still not very familiar with the process of creating a page. Thanks again. Wikiisawesome 11:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you know anything about Dr. James Mark? If you do, add it to the new page bearing his name. Wikiisawesome 21:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Yvesnimmo! I've started an article about Thomas Pope, the eleventh mayor of Quebec City. Check it out if you want to. Wikiisawesome 11:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for ameliorating article Ecole Le Mascaret. Flubeca 17:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, my userboxes don't line up the way yours do. How do I straighten them out? (I only have 4, but I'd like some more!) Wikiisawesome 16:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Greater Moncton schools navbox should be changed to the District 2 navbox. It better represents the schools in D2 that aren't in Moncton. Wikiisawesome 15:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Moncton
Hello Yves! (Im assuming thats your name, please correct me if Im wrong lol) Ive noticed that you have been doing some work on the Moncton page, for that I would like to thank you. I dont know if you knew but MonctonRad as well as myself are in constant communication as we are attempting to bring the article at least to "Good Article" status. If you would like to offer assistance in this regard it would be much appriciated. If you have any ideas or suggestions please dont hesitate to write me on my talk page. Once again thanks for all your help! Talk to you later

Stu pendousmat 20:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello again! Once again thanks for your continued contributions to the Moncton page...I assume you noticed we failed the GA nomination :( oh well...there were a few problems. Good news is the problems are easily fixable :)MonctonRad is working on the history section (writing it over in prose) and he will also be re-writing the lead to better summarise the article. I just took out all the external links from the page (they are evil apparently lol), re-did the map because it was to "hard to read", and added in more references (with a lot of help from you :D). So once these things are completely done we will be re-nominating for GA. Once again thanks for the help...just thought I would fill you in on whats going on if you didnt know already...Take care.

Stu pendousmat 21:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I was just browsing around and I noticed you made a "Wikiproject" for NB. I was tinkering with the idea of doing this my self. Id would love to join and help out...but are you planning on making it a standalone page? Because right now its a section of your userpage. Just wondering...anyways, have a good one! :D

Stu pendousmat 21:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool...I added myself to the list on there...Ill let MonctonRad know about it, he will most likely join. I was thinking, could we also add the "Importance" thing to the template that goes on articles talk pages? I think it would be cooler like that, up to you though. talk to ya later.

Stu pendousmat 21:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I just spent a couple of hours adding some stuff to the Wikiproject and I moved it to its new home at WikiProject New Brunswick. I hope you dont mind, I was just bored and I figured we might as well get going. Im sure once people see the banner around in the articles they will join up. I started making the catagories for the Importance and Quality and whatnot that are related to the banner. I know you are really good with stuff like that so if you wanted to do some work on it you can...if not I can finish it later. (you can find all the red links and whatnot at WikiProject New Brunswick/Assessment. Again I really hope you dont take this the wrong way or anything, just wanted to help out a bit. Have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 06:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent...now for the arduous task of putting those banners an all NB related articles lol, should be a good time.

Stu pendousmat 17:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey...just going over the list of premiers now...do you think they should be mid or high importance?

Stu pendousmat 17:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah thats what I figured. I made them all high importance. Ill make all the other politicians mid importance (ex MLAs and stuff). MPs should prob be high. This is a lot more work than I thought at first haha.

Stu pendousmat 20:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey thanks a lot buddy :D I feel old already haha. You go to BMHS? I graduated from there in 2005, the 3rd grad class ever woot!...glad to work alongside a fellow highlander!

Stu pendousmat 17:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Amherst and Acadiɐn Lines
That is awesome! I never expected anyone to write it like that on wiki.  Andrew 647  15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Yvesnimmo. Here's the link to the user page that's got that really crazy definition. I looked up some of the words in my dictionary and I couldn't find much. However, you might be able to find some. The link is user:JackofOz. Wikiisawesome (talk) 16:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

NBYO page
When you created the NBYO page, did you intend for the number of instruments to be just regulars or regulars and alternates? Wikiisawesome (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Stanley Saunders
Hi Yvesnimmo, Where did you get the idea that Stanley Saunders founded the National Youth Orchestra of Wales? As you can see from my page National Youth Orchestra of Wales the orchestra was founded in 1945 - when Stanley Saunders would have been 18! He may have been a member of the orchestra at some time, but he wasn't even a founder member. The founder of the NYOW was Irwin Walters. Jongleur100 (talk) 17:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think 'that website' may have got it wrong too. I have a list of founder members of the orchestra and Stanley Saunders name is not among them. He may have joined a year or two later. Jongleur100 (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes for Shad Valley added to university articles
You have recently added a navbox that identifies several universities as hosting the Shad Valley program (e.g., your recent edit to Queen's University ). While there is no doubt that the information is correct, the question is whether the navbox belongs in the university articles. Generally the test of whether something should be added to an article is whether it helps the reader understand the subject. These navboxes are an example of a "non-encyclopedic cross-categorization (see Wikipedia is not a directory). The fact that a particular university hosts the Shad Valley program does not provide information that will be helpful to the general reader looking for information about that university. If, on the other hand, the individual is interested in the Shad Valley program, they may go to that article for a list of host universities. I have reverted your navbox links to the universities. If you think I've got something wrong, let's discuss this. Sunray (talk) 15:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Taylor Swift songs
An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is List of Taylor Swift songs. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

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American Idol
Mike was not in the bottom 3. Ryan explicitly stated that he was not in the bottom. –Turian  ( talk )  02:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Album article/user
A user on the Raymond v. Raymond article has been vandalizing the page, removing and replacing sourced material. Some of the chart info the user added is legit, but most of it is unstable/unarchived and is of no use to the statements he/she's trying to support. I have discussed his issues on the article's talk page but I think I am dealing with some fan of the album. (Article's history of the edits can be of use aswell) I dont want to cross the line with reverting anymore so I am asking for your help with this matter. Dan56 (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it. Dan56 (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bother u again, but Im having a similar issue, or rather an issue with a similar editor. If youre interested, the last three or four edits shown at this page history and this message from the editor Usur can explain it all (Im just not sure what/how to respond to this). Dan56 (talk) 19:58, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Issue has been resolved. Dan56 (talk) 19:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikilinks to redirects
Hi! I'm giving the plot section of "Bad Reputation" a minor copyedit, and I noticed that a few days ago you changed some redirect wikilinks to point directly to the target pages. I just wanted to draw your attention to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's only a minor issue, but for example I'm currently working on a Brittany article, and if all the links to Brittany (Glee) are replaced with section links to Characters of Glee, then they'll all need manually replacing again later. Just something small to bear in mind in future :) And while I'm here, I've been wanting to say for a while that you do great work keeping on top of List of songs in Glee - that page can be a nightmare sometimes! Frickative  16:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Lee DeWyze's American Idol cover of "Beautiful Day"
There is a discussion underway at Talk:Beautiful Day on whether the cover of "Beautiful Day" by Lee DeWyze on American Idol should receive its own section in the article and since you recently edited this section of the article your comments would be appreciated. Aspects (talk) 04:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

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Lady Gaga Discography
Bonsoir,

Je me permets de te parler en français, si ça ne te dérange pas, comme j'ai vu que tu parlais cette langue et que j'y suis un peu plus à l’aise qu’avec l'anglais. En bref, j'ai vu que tu étais venu intervenir dans le "débat" de la discographie de Lady Gaga et j'aimerais savoir si tu serais prêt à, comment dire, 'débattre' avec les autres contributeurs pour créer une section 'Featured Singles'. L'utilisateur Chase s'est approprié l'article à lui et ce n'est vraiment pas constructif donc si tu veux lutter contre ça, n'hésite pas à venir faire un tour sur la PDD de la Lady Gaga discography. J'aimerais d'ailleurs m'excuser d'avance si tu ne parler pas 'très bien' le français et que tu as eu de la difficulté à me comprendre, si c'est le cas, à l'avenir, je m'adresserai à toi en anglais.

Cordialement Raphael99 (talk) 07:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oui, je comprends. Il est tellement insistent, non ? Mais qu'est-ce que on peut faire? Je voudrais bien cette section de Featured singles. Yvesnimmo (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
Your recent edit to the page Taylor Swift discography appears to have added incorrect information and has been reverted or removed. All information in this encyclopedia must be verifiable in a reliable, published source. If you believe the information that you added was correct, please cite the references or sources or before making the changes, discuss them on the article's talk page. Please use the sandbox for any tests that you wish to make. Do take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  22:18, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can clearly see here that Eric Church's "Smoke a Little Smoke" is at #35 this week. This is an encyclopedia; do not add fake, made up chart positions.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  22:32, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I resent that; I never make stuff up. I was just taking information from news sources like CBS News here and The Salt Lake Tribune here. Making stuff up is just a lose-lose situation, and beneficial to nobody, especially on Wikipedia. Yvesnimmo (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We do not take chart positions anywhere except from Billboard. Also, nowhere in those 2 sources does it say specifically that the song charted at #35, you're just pulling it out of thin air.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  22:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * They say it charted between numbers thirty and forty, so I looked some more to fine the exact number, and found it here. I don't know why all these sources are reporting false information. Now please stop accusing me of doing things I did not do. Yvesnimmo (talk) 22:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll stop accusing you of things when you start making proper contributions using legitimate sources.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  22:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nowyouseeme, please remember to assume good faith. Yvesnimmo does a lot of good work keeping discographies accurate and up-to-date, and a single mistake based on inaccurate sources shouldn't warrant accusations of deliberately trying to disrupt Wikipedia. Frickative  23:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Frickative, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, all I'm doing is notifying her that she needs to add accurate information using reliable sources, it isn't my job to review her editing history to see if she actually knows what she is doing, I'll go off the article where I see the problem. Thanks, case closed.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  23:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be preferable for me to be referred to with the correct personal pronoun. I've been called worse, though. Just sayin'. :) Yvesnimmo (talk) 23:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, lol. Sometimes I just assume certain editors are boys and certain are girls.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  23:39, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Glee Cast discography
Hey! While I'm over here lurking on your talk page anyway, I've been meaning to ask for a while whether you have any experience with the WP:FL process for discographies? I've been toying with the idea of nominating the Glee Cast article for a while, but I've always been a bit intimidated by the Featured process, and music-related articles aren't really my forte. Glee: The Music, Volume 1 could be a contender for GA at some point in the future as well, but I'm generally much more at home with the episode articles than the albums and EPs. What do you think? Frickative 23:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! To answer your question, no I do not. It would be great to see it upgraded to featured list! And I agree: Glee: The Music, Volume 1 could very well be a GA. Lemme take a look at it for the next couple days, and I'll let you know what I think, 'kay?
 * Also, you know what else? I see you, along with others, have gotten every episode in season 1 to good article (great work!), and if you get Glee (season 1) to GA, we could make it a good topic! :D Yvesnimmo (talk) 12:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers! You definitely seem much more adept with the music-related articles than I am, so your thoughts on Volume 1 will be much appreciated :D I've been meaning to finish off the season one article ever since "Journey" aired, so I really need to get on that before s2 starts, but it would be great to have a good topic. I think almost half of all Glee articles are GAs, which is pretty fab! Frickative  03:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010

 * So first you we're adding fictional chart positions, and now your removing cover art? What is up with you? Where the hell would you "source" a cover art in an article? *sighs*  Nowyouseeme talk2me  18:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what.. I just changed my mind. We can wait to add cover art til it is featured in more external sites.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  18:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One would probably have a mention of the date of the when the cover art was released, or something of the sort. In this case, I was referring to File:Taylor Swift Speak Now.jpg, which can be found nowhere on the supposed source. A search engine perusal of "Speak Now album cover" reveals no images nor news articles to support this. I think the release of the cover of the upcoming album of a multi-million dollar international pop country superstar would make news online, as well as be easily accessible from her official website, no? Also, you know I'm just ignoring your bullying, right? Yvesnimmo (talk) 19:00, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not bullying you.. I've never threatened or attacked you, I'm rough sometimes, but that's just me.. you just gotta put on your big boy pants and toughen up a bit. I don't have anything against you personally.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  19:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, then I'm sorry I got upset over, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard". Yvesnimmo (talk) 01:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  03:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:
I reverted myself, and Songfacts is not, and won't be, a reliable source. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 00:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. For being polite and professional about this. Yvesnimmo (talk) 13:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Eenie Meenie
It is a duet and both artist have lead credits but it is NOT a single from Bieber's album. You could not even buy the song on iTunes without buying the album, it is soley an album track for Bieber, but Kingston's lead single. This has been discussed several times and we have come to this conclusion. There is no such thing as both artists having the same single, one has to be considered the featured guest. Also the song is distributed through Kingston's Beluga/Epic not Bieber's Island. For example, the same thing exists with Nelly and Kelly Rowland's "Dilemma", and although on Rowland's album it is only a single from Nelly's and was distributed by his label. Candy o32  03:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh. But what about songs like "The Boy Is Mine" and "Tell Him", "All of You"? Besides, the single cover for "Dilemma" says "featuring Kelly Rowland [from Destiny's Child]", and Billboard credits it as a feature, as does The Official Charts Company and the Irish Recorded Music Association. However, this is not the case for "Eenie Meenie". You see what I'm trying to say? Yvesnimmo (talk) 13:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But still two labels cannot release a single, only one can. And this has to be the cases also for "The Boy Is Mine" and other singles mentioned. Candy  o32  20:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I totally get that. What I'm trying to say is that I think it should be under the regular singles section, and not the featured because it is not a feature; multiple artists can be the main artist of a single. Another example: the song "Swagga Like Us" by Jay-Z and T.I. featuring Kanye West and Lil Wayne. Yvesnimmo (talk) 22:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand from that perspective too. But using "Swagga Like Us" as an example it was soley a single from Paper Trail. It's hard to bring up other articles because of WP:OTHERSTUFF, so I don't know about using too many comparisons. Candy  o32  00:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also in the in the infobox, for the first artist, it should be for example "Ludacris chronology" as opposed to "Ludacris singles chronology", because it is not his single, it is Justin Bieber's. Candy  o32  04:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait... then what about the featured articles "4 Minutes", "Déjà Vu", and "Say Say Say", among others? Those are wrong then? :S Yvesnimmo (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know what's wrong with those articles, thats WP:OTHERSTUFF. I've just been told this is how the infobox needs to be displayed in GA reviews. Candy  o32  15:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Redirects are your friends
My latest update to singlechart didn't include some of your latest changes. There's no need to pipe everything when perfectly good redirects exist. Redirect applies.&mdash;Kww(talk) 18:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Thank you so much! Yvesnimmo (talk) 22:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Precession vs. procession
Hi Yvesnimmo, hopefully you understood the edit summary left by another user in reinstating the change they made regarding the difference between precession and procession, but if not I have left a brief note on the article's talk page which you may find informative. Thanks.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  17:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

=/
Piss off  Nowyouseeme talk2me  15:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Featured list candidate, Grammy Award for Best Rock Album
Thank you for your feedback, and please let me know if there are any other concerns that need to be addressed! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

KEsha
Please be careful when changing content. You recently moved the notes section and added My First Kiss peak in Germany. Both edits have been reverted. The Notes were moved per FL comment and according to this link My First Kiss has not charted. Thank You :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know about the Notes part, sorry! As for "My First Kiss" ft. Ke$ha charting in Germany: well it's only debuted on the charts this week at #38 (sources here:, ) and a search for "My First Kiss" on charts.de shows that it has charted, but not within the top five (a.k.a. "premium members content"). It's probably gonna be on musicline.de sometime soon, but I'll leave it out for now, since there are no legit sources (yet!). Thanks so much for letting me know! :) Yvesnimmo (talk) 19:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

You have talkback on my page. Im not aware if your "watching" my page for a reply or not so i thought id let you know :) - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 07:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

2010 MTV Video Music Awards
Who are you to decide what's a reliable source or not. I stated my legitimate source so therefore you have no right to take it down. In no way are you above me so you have no right to assume so. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teairra989 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on 2010 MTV Video Music Awards. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  20:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Katy perry teenage dream cover
well, i am not blind... i bought the deluxe edition of the album, and that is the one without the title. please go to google and look for the cd on the hmv group. see the deluxe cover and the standard cover, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salgado96 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To sort the issue once and for all I've brough the discussion up here. Please not that unless there is a general consensus and agreement that the inclusion of two covers is correct only one cover should remain at the article. --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  14:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

RE: Britney Glee "Me Against The Music Source
http://www.bscreview.com/2010/08/britney-spears-glee-pics/ - Spears and "Brittany" performing "Me Against The Music" - source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.102.199.46 (talk) 22:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

RE:Auto-Tune
Looks like you may be right according to the Wiki article. However a proper noun is a noun representing unique entities (such as London, Jupiter, or Toyota). But auto-tune is generic and is not a specific type of auto-tune technology or instrument. Also auto-tuned is a verb, and verbs are capitalized. Auto-Tuned? Candy o32  20:17, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Bruno Mars
I removed it because in my book, it's redundant and irrelevant. I don't ever use the format field when creating or revamping a discography. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said, I don't like using it. It makes tables to large in areas where it doesn't need to be. So basically I highly dislike the use of the format field in discographies. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 20:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm I think I saw it on a discussion with EPs that if an EP is less than 5 songs, it may chart on the singles chart. Like in the US, it may chart on the Hot Singles Sales chart. In the UK however, it is just listed in with the UK Singles Chart. When I first saw that it had charted there, I, too, was pretty confused, but then I remembered the discussion. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Katy
Ok, but this single has already the single cover, see here and will relase betimes. And for this, has many source that. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 00:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok. The time that say the true. And betimes means ready, soon, etc. Vitor  Mazuco  Msg 00:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but my english is not so good, but i will to Canadá and improve it. I intend live here one day and know the Avril Lavigne (is my dream). In Brazil she is only success since 2002 until now. Returning the subject, the article's Katy Perry in wiki-pt has many sources that confirms the notice is true, and not speculation. I know that here has rigid rules. But that article is good. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 17:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Glee - Britney Spears related singles
I work at Tommy2.net and have access to password protected press sites such as Sony, and they updated their Glee release list today with "...Baby One More Time," "I'm A Slave 4 U," "Me Against The Music," "Stronger," "The Only Exception," and "Toxic." How can i cite a reference when it's not a public website? I have included a screenshot of the actual page mentioned to support my information with blank sides cropped off so photobucket doesn't resize the image too much. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Kevin87/gleesonyreleases.jpg Kevin87 (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm interesting. Since, there is no way one can get to that site, I'm afraid we cannot include it in the article for now. Wikipedia has a policy called Verifiability, not truth, and even if it is true, which it certainly seems to be, it is not verifiable. Yvesnimmo (talk) 20:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

BEP
No prob.
 * Sure TBSfan1223 (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Chord Overstreet
Wow, I just started writing a draft to replace the old copyvio version last night and this morning, I saw you had already finished a new article on him. If you add 200 more letters, it can be DYK-ready. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  12:55, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Two hundred letters or two hundred words? I'll see what I can add. :) Yvesnimmo (talk) 12:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Letters. It's ready now, and I have put it up for DYK at Template_talk:Did_you_know. If everything checks out, it'll be on the main page in about a week. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Songs in Glee (season 2)
I keep trying to add "Lucky," by Jason Mraz and Colbie Caillat to the list of songs for glee season 2, but you keep taking it down. it has been confirmed through source number 35 on that same page (link: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Season-2-1023350.aspx) The TV Guide article states: "When the brass section kicks in to the umpteeth take of "River Deep, Mountain High," the actors watching the performance on the monitors go wild as if its the first time they're seeing it. Michele bops her head along, mouthing the lyrics and cheering. Later, after Dianna Agron, who plays Quinn, and new cast member Chord Overstreet, who plays new student Sam, perform Colbie Caillat and Jason Mraz's "Lucky," Rivera sighs dreamily. 'That was so sweet!'"'' It clearly states what song is being sung and by whom. It is definitely in episode 4 because it is being shot at the same time as "River Deep, Mountain High." If there is a reason why this cannot be added, please clarify it for me. If not, would you please re-add it to the list. Thanks! (I do not mean for any of this to sound nasty, so if it does, I apologize). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.31.39 (talk) 01:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Horror Glee Show EP
Hey, I noticed that someone jumped the gun a bit by starting an empty Glee: The Music, The Rocky Horror Glee Show article. It got me thinking - I'm working on a draft of the episode article, and wondered whether we could combine efforts to include your userspace page on the EP as a soundtrack section. That way all the info would be available for development in the mainspace, and the EP could be split off into a separate article once there's enough coverage to make it independently notable? Frickative 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds great; Good idea! Let's do it! :D Yvesnimmo (talk) 17:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ace! I've got a few more sources to check through before I move it to the mainspace, but I've added the soundtrack in now :D Frickative  18:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Opinion request
Could you give your opinon here? Thanks in advance. Candy o32  01:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly! :) Yvesnimmo (talk) 01:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hey.. I know I've been pretty mean to you in the past and I just wanted to apologize to you for that - I can be a bit hot headed at times.. so I'm sorry for being mean to you. I hope you can look past it. :)  Nowyouseeme talk2me  03:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course; I accept your apology! I know people get angry sometimes, and I've already forgiven you haha. Of course we'll look past it! =) Yvesnimmo (talk) 03:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Grilled Cheesus
 — Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit Summaries
Who has two thumbs and doesn't care about edit summaries? THIS GUY!!! Quit spamming my talk page kthx. --TheTruthiness (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * IT'S NOT A RULE, I don't have to put edit summaries, I don't want to, won't. Keep it up and I'll report you for abuse. --TheTruthiness (talk) 05:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
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Succession boxes
Hi. I see you are against the removal of succession boxes from articles for songs and albums that hit #1 on music charts. There is a discussion ongoing at WT:CHARTS and, while the general opinion seems to be against them and consensus is growing in that direction, it is valuable to have opinions from all sides. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 10:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: October 2010
Arg! I'm so frustrated with myself. I usually ALWAYS forget about that. I'll be sure to remember before I save anything. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT  (Talk)  21:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Loud
No she wrote that music. She wrote all the song "Cheers", but there is a sample parts too that will remember the Avril Lavigne's songs. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 23:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Is a sample and wrote all that song. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 23:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Writting is a collaboration, you're not understanding about it. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 23:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Avril is a songwriters than album. Vitor Mazuco  Msg 23:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Chord Overstreet
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Beyonce Discography
Hi, thanks a lot. I'm happy you like my work. Henceforth, i will use the edit summary box. Don't worry, i haven't added anything contributing to vandalism. On the contrary, i am improving it. I have made the whole (practically the whole as i am still left with 4 more references) verificable. Just compare how it was before i start to work on it. Thanks a lot for your appreciation. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your guidance. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 05:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Ummmm...
Good with trying to get people to leave an edit summary on everything that is done on here. I've learned that it's not going to happen. Plus the fact you seemingly wasted your time telling me this, someone whose been editing long enough, seemed a bit condescending. No offense. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 08:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some "minor" edits I generally don't add a summary. I add summaries for larger edits.  For that specific edit, all I did was just turned the ref list into two columns.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 12:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * See what?  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 18:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Were looking at the references section of Just the Way You Are (Bruno Mars song)? That's what I changed to make it into two columns.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess something is messed up on your end. I can see it fine.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 20:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I use Firefox and that's why I'm able to see it.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 23:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Help
I am trying to add the deluxe edition of the Australian release of Doo-Wops & Hooligans to the album page (date: October 15, 2010; label: Warner Music), but it's messing up for some reason. This is what I'm trying to accomplish:

and it comes out as:

The "Australia" and "October 15, 2010" cells are not coming out as a rowspan of 2. Am I doing something wrong here? Articles like I Am... Sasha Fierce and The Fame Monster have this done correctly, and I'm not sure why it's not working here. Thanks in advance! Yves (talk) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I can't seem to get it to work either. I've been working on it for like 15 minutes and it's doing the exact same thing to me as it is to you. I even thought maybe another rowspan was off, but I can't seem to figure it out. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 03:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So frustrating. I don't know where I'm going wrong here. I know it's not anything to do with the references, because I even tried removing all of them (I cringed whilst doing so) and the same thing showed up in the preview. And it doesn't work when I try adding the Canadian deluxe edition, either. Yves (talk) 03:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Very strange. I don't think I've ever come across a problem like this before. Maybe try retyping it all over again? Or have you tried that already? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, trying out something simpler. Only looking at New Zealand downward, with no rowspans:

comes out fine as: and when I merge a couple of cells, it comes out great as: The problem is, though, when I try to merge the New Zealand and Australia "CD" cells: And I get: Totally not understanding why this is being colloquially stupid. Yves (talk) 03:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Me neither. I located the issue, as it works fine with

...
 * New Zealand
 * October 11, 2010
 * rowspan="3"|Warner Music
 * rowspan="2"|Standard
 * Australia
 * rowspan="2"|October 15, 2010
 * Australia
 * foo
 * bar
 * }
 * bar
 * }
 * so the issue is the colspan 2 for the country name. But idk how to fix it. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  04:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The issue seems to be using colspan to merge cells for the last column you are working with ("Format" for me in the example above). Yves (talk) 04:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Beyonce's Fourth Studio album
Don't you think that the time has come to create a page for Beyonce's fourth upcoming studio album? So many artist have one for their albums due 2011 such as Rihanna (Loud), Kelly Rowland (Kelly Rowland), Kanye West (Dark Twisted Mind), Young Jeezy............ Jivesh boodhun (talk) 05:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Jivesh boodhun (talk) 05:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Does it have a name yet? Beware of WP:HAMMER.  Chzz  ► 11:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC) (Just a comment, in passing)

Chronology
"In a studio album article, the chain (for most artists) should include only other studio albums, excluding live albums and compilations; these other types can also have their own separate chains. For some artists it may be more appropriate to include all album types in one chain, but care must be taken to maintain the integrity of chains, so that when album "A" points to "B" as the next album, "B" points back to "A" as the last (previous) album."

I really don't care about the chronology, but this change is only gonna cause edit wars and more discussions between other users. Plus, artists like Madonna and Michael Jackson have only one chronology. Xwomanizerx (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But they don't. Michael Jackson's greatest hits / remix albums have their own separate chronology (Number Ones, The Ultimate Collection, The Essential Michael Jackson, etc.) as do Madonna's EPs (Remixed Prayers, The Holiday Collection, etc.). It makes more sense to have different chronologies for different album types. Yves (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

California Dreams Tour
Your edits to the California Dreams Tour have been reverted and quite frankly this all seems quite redundant if you think about it. A country is defined as a territory of an independent nation. This list you are referencing refers to a sovereign state. A sovereign state is a grouping of nations or territories that operate under one unified government. In the case of the United Kingdom, it is the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland that create the United Kingdom. I am not saying that you are wrong but to state that "England is not a country, I know what it is" is pretty absent-minded. If you would like, I do not mind creating a entry on the talk page so that other editors can weigh in on this matter. Itsbydesign (talk) 08:19, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

While it isn't fan-made...
Well, just asking, while it isn't fan-made (Perry's official twitter), it shouldn't be a reliable source? Pedro João [talk] 16:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I, think Perry wouldn't lie about that. But agree! Capitol probably will add that information really soon in Katy's official site. Thanks for all, Pedro João [talk] 17:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:AIV
Saw that you were unsure about your report of User:AtomicMarcusKitten. In general, only pure vandals should be reported to AIV. This user seems to do quite a bit of good work, but definitely has some interaction issues. Consider making a report at WP:AN/I. Regards,  Jujutacular  talk 15:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, just saw another admin has blocked the user - we'll see if their behavior improves after the block.  Jujutacular  talk 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

'Firework' Music Video Edit
Hello, you recently continuously removed my detailed, wonderful edits to this video, replacing them with sub-par, poor-quality and under-detailed summaries, filled with incorrect information about the video itself and using poor grammar, and even poorer vocabulary, to describe the events of the video. My edit was very detailed, to the T. While copyright may have been violated in adding the lyrics, nothing else was wrong with the addition. You cited "too long", which is probably why the article has such a low Quality Standards rating, as all of the detailed additions seem to have been removed as "too long". I'd like a detailed explanation of your motives, and perhaps we can come to some resolution, but please stop modifying it for now, or I'll have to motion for the article to be locked for not following editing- as well as moderating- rules, such as "Assume Good Faith", and "Remain Neutral." It is my firm belief that the completely inaccurate, and so far sub-par as to be obscene previous description, shouldn't be allowed to remain, anyway, and leaves one who may be serious about the meaning of her song or the actions inside of said musical video to want, as there's not been any serious detailed observations or synopsis. Thank you, and have a nice day. allen 08:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.252.171.156 (talk)

List of songs in Glee
Hey! I don't know whether you've seen, but Glee (season 1) passed FL :D Over on the Good Topic talkpage, Ucucha has suggested that we should try and include the season's musical articles as well as episodes in a GT nom, which would entail pushing the five album/EP articles and the concert tour up to GA, and the song list (which is probably about ready for splitting into separate season 1 and 2 lists) to FL. With the latter in mind, I've found that List of songs in Guitar Hero and its sequels are about the only comparable existing FLs. I think over time, the Glee song list has grown more elaborate and possibly less functional, and that simplifying and modelling it a little more after the Guitar Hero example might be beneficial. Particularly I think that making it sortable would be a good way to go. As a major contributor to the article, I wanted to consult you before making any changes, and to see what we can come up with. I'm playing about with it a bit in a sandbox so you can see roughly what I'm thinking, and I'm eager to hear your thoughts :D Frickative  18:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey there! That sounds perfect! I just saw the sandbox page you started, and it looks amazing! Must have taken so much time, so props to you! And yes, I would very much be interested in promoting those articles to (at least) GA. Sorry I haven't responded about Glee: The Music, Volume 1; I got busy with some other things. Alright, now we have something to work towards! I will definitely contribute, and love the idea to split the song list into seasons, and then just make the original article a disambiguation page. Go ahead! :D Yvesnimmo (talk) 07:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The information I was adding DID have a reliable source, I was adding it when my information got wiped out! And I don't appreciate being patronized!SPNic (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Archiving
Have you considered archiving your talk page? It's 112 KB long and has 79 topics. The talk page guidelines suggest archiving after a talk page has become larger than 50 KB, or has more than 10 main sections. Not doing so can make the page difficult to navigate and also make it difficult for users with slow Internet connections to view the page. How to archive is detailed on the archive page. Cheers! — GorillaWarfare talk 05:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have lol. I've just never done it before, and didn't really wanna learn how as it's never been an issue for me. Yves (talk) 05:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I can do it for you, if you like; I can make it 'auto-archive' things that are older than 'x' days. If you want that, just reply below, let me know how many days; 30? perhaps. Whatever you like.  Chzz  ► 06:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha well sure, if you don't mind! That's very generous of you. :) And maybe not thirty; how about sixty? Question: what if, hypothetically speaking, during a sixty-day period, there are no or only a few discussions? Would it still be archived even if there are only a few sections? Yves (talk) 06:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.


 * Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is here; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the archive box at the top which, currently, will say "no archives yet (create)" - don't create anything, just let the bot do its thing.


 * It's set to 60 days (60d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.


 * And to answer your question: it is possible to specify a minimum number of threads, so it won't archive if there are less; I've set that to | minthreadsleft     = 4 for now.


 * So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers!  Chzz  ► 06:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Chzz! Appreciate it! :) Yves (talk) 07:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, I'd done it wrong; I checked back, wondered why it didn't work, and noticed I missed out a /.

So, please give it another 24 hours to start. Again, sorry.  Chzz  ► 05:52, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha. That's quite alright! :) Yves (talk) 05:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at the bot, I think it should get to you around 20:30 UTC, so, about 10 hours from now; I'll check back of course.  Chzz  ► 11:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay, seems to be fine. I'll stop watching, so give me a shout if you ever have problems with it.  Chzz  ► 22:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Question
Are we removing other charted songs from the new discographies? ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT  (Talk)  00:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Per WT:DISCOGSTYLE consensus, no. Yves (talk) 00:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Fixing Loud Album Refs
I'm not use to the citation templates way of referencing but theres no rule saying you can't do it the way I did. I fixed all the refs that most of the contributors were to lazy to do. ozurbanmusic (talk) 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

They way I set out the referencing was correct but the only thing I didn't use was the citation templates. Feel free to correct it, but don't be lazy and revert my editing. ozurbanmusic (talk) 01:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say you reverted it, but if you do correct the refs, don't be lazy and revert my edits. ozurbanmusic (talk) 01:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

NO
I'm aware that. Please stop reverting it back so i can fix the promotional singles. There is a page for both songs that aren't redirected pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.135.8 (talk) 00:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Template:Kesha. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Spigot Map  14:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Kesha
Re. Template:Kesha and the possible addition of "We R Who We R"

Please discuss this on the talk page, Template talk:Kesha.

Thanks,  Chzz  ► 16:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Other charted songs (2)
Okay! But what about Last Friday Night? Pedro João [talk] 21:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Where's the reliable source that [...] T.G.I.F. charted on Hot 100? It does not appears anything on Billboard's Katy Perry archive... Pedro João [talk] 21:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok!
Thanks, appreciate your help! Pedro João [talk] 21:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, if you could review me on my review page, it would be nice, thanks Pedro João [talk] 22:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Horror Glee
With all due respect, all Glee soundtracks for EPs thus far have been released the day the show airs. The episode airs on October 26, and I'm still surprised that iTunes shows October 19 still (as do others I think, and I only found this after making the change). See my edit summary for my initial change reason, which was, and I quote, "Not sure if the source matches, but Glee is pre-empted Oct. 19 for baseball playoff (World Series?). Therefore, EP will be released the day the show airs (Oct. 26)." While I have doubt in my mind now, I can't see them releasing the album a week before the episode. I think the sites just haven't been notified to push it back by a week. CycloneGU (talk) 15:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

(Before replying on my talk page, see the notice there and please honour it by replying here. I will be watching this page.  CycloneGU (talk) 15:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC))
 * I understand why you may be sceptical, but Glee soundtracks have been known to be released before the airing of episodes with respective tracks: Volume 3 Showstoppers was released before "Theatricality" and "Funk" aired, Volume 2 before "Sectionals", and Volume 1 before "Wheels". I couldn't tell you for certain why they're releasing it a week early, but October 19, 2010 is what is shown by FOX's official press release, the Glee Cast's official website, the Sony Music store, the iTunes Store, Amazon.com, hmv, Barnes & Noble, Billboard, and many, many other reliable sources. I don't think these could have all gotten the date wrong? Especially the stores where physical release or shipping is guaranteed to happen. Unless you have found a reliable source saying the EP will be released the twenty-sixth...? Yves (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe they're making an exception for Halloween since there are only five days between the episode and Halloween? *shrug* And makes me wonder if Glee will tackle a Christmas episode; nothing has been announced one way or the other on that yet.  Again, I made the edit before I found the Oct. 19 in iTunes and couldn't figure out why.


 * As a side note, the Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 were based on multiple episodes. EPs are usually on one episode.  This would be the first early EP release if it's on the 26th.  CycloneGU (talk) 03:38, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm yeah, but aside from episode accompaniment, there hasn't been much difference in promotion or sales (as can be seen by chart peaks) between the albums and the EPs. And I'm not sure about a potential Christmas episode. SuBo's supposed to guest-star and sing one of the songs from her second album, though. I do not believe they have started production, though. Yves (talk) 03:49, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I heard about the Susan Boyle bit, too. That will be exciting for the cast, I think.  CycloneGU (talk) 04:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh boy: first IP edit; revert
Well, wait at most one day and I'll see you edit warrig about it, let see if the first IP still being it. BTW it is not the first. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Forget it, I see the confusion now. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought that you were saying to me something like "C'mon is the first IP in edit, you do not need to add PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE FAME MONSTER" (see my entire edit), that's why I said "you'll be reverting many of them tomorrow". Tb hotch Ta lk C. 02:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I see you removed by addtion on 'Only Exception' by Paramore article
Hi

You undid my edit right?

Don't worry. Once Wikipedia removes Examiner TV from the blacklist you can't call it unreliable anymore. So if it does comeback again there. Please don't delete or undo my editing in the future on that article when it does. Thank you Blueknightex (talk) 02:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

It might. I am still appealing for it to be removed. Anyways, I'll just get back to you on that one when if it does. Blueknightex (talk) 02:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Well I was looking all over the net for a more reliable source that is more appropriate than Examiner TV's but they all lead back to that site. I also had a look at Billboard's website but I didn't manage to find anything other than this: Weekly Chart Notes: 'Glee,' Kenny Chesney, Phil Collins.

It doesn't really look like a reliable source and it makes my edit look like a POV. Blueknightex (talk) 09:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Why?
Why do you get soo offended when i call you an airhead? It isn't even offensive!! I love them, they always make me laugh and i try and befriend them LOL!!!!!!! (real life obv) god knows why you find it offensive, and blocked me before due to it. jeez.AtomicMarcusKitten (talk) 21:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You clearly are offended...and omg, even you can admit following the "five pillars" is sad, seriously, come on now! From what i know of you, you're not a very nice person, and all what you say comes across as being very snotty...AtomicMarcusKitten (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead then!AtomicMarcusKitten (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Fun?
Isnt this fun? Are you enjoying it as much as i am? - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 20:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * omfg shoot me now. or them. not sure which one. i really like your way of adding information and then quickly reverting it haha. ensures well-referenced additions are made as sources come out so time won't be wasted trying to compile it all at a later date, as well as keeps page redirected. :P Yves (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahahah, thank you. I do it that way because each time i add a ref, the article slowly gets bigger and i archive every reference so its easier for maintenance. And omfg, can you please read rules before you edit, i knew this article was going to be a b***h but i didnt think it would be this much of a pain, though im extremely surprised no one has changed Cannibal (EP) to a studio album, which im quite happy about. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 21:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty much standard, especially with the discussion at The Fame Monster lol. Yves (talk) 21:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Glee Cast Discog
We ought to consider a change here. If we continue with the page as it now is, that "Singles" section is going to become pages and pages long by the time Season 3 finishes. I'm going to chat with Frickative about this as well, but maybe we ought to break it into seasons, or even half-seasons, and forget the year? Maybe in seasons, we can then identify the episode for each song or something in place of the year (putting episode at the end of the table). This is a unique situation here and having 200 singles in a chart like this is something that you'll rarely see on a discography; even George Strait, the most popular man in country music I think, has 50 #1 singles and won't have as many singles overall as Glee will after this season (if not already; he has 88 singles overall listed here and it's already broken into decades). CycloneGU (talk) 04:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You have a very good point haha. I just finished browsing the 2,185 discography pages, and as you may have seen already, many are broken into albums and singles (and sometimes posthumous) discographies, with Michael Jackson's albums discography even being divided into Michael Jackson albums discography (certifications and sales) and Michael Jackson albums discography (peak chart positions), with Michael Jackson albums discography remaining as a page. Browsing extensive singles discographies, though, we have The Beach Boys (> 100), Dolly Parton (106), David Bowie (108), Rod Stewart (109), Barbra (117), Stevie Wonder (~125), Ray Charles (127), Elton (128), Aretha (131), Céline (137), Elvis (~200), and the most is probably Frank Sinatra (297). None of these are divided in separate pages, though most are divided in decades. The Ol' Blue Eyes discography has divided its singles into the record labels (which we can't do), and then into years. Like you said, I think seasons is the best way to do this. Maybe pages like Glee Cast albums discography, Glee Cast singles discography (season 1), Glee Cast discography (season 2), and then other charted songs can go in the singles discographies of the respective seasons? I think we should wait first, though, until the second season is over, because only then can we accurately judge page growth; they did say the second season was going to have fewer songs, eh? The first thirteen episodes of the first season were slow in singles (4, 3, 2, 1, 4, 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 6, 3, 4 [+ 1, 5]), but then things really picked up in the back nine (5, 7, 5, 5, 5, 4, 5, 6, 0). So far the second season has been averaging six (5, 6, 7, 6, 0) and it has fluctuated, so we can't really tell if they're increasing or decreasing from this point. The cast of Glee has currently released 119 singles, though only 112 are in the table (with 6 other charted songs in its own table). I think we should wait, though, after two seasons have aired, before actually dividing any pages. Yves (talk) 05:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You know what? After going through all those discography pages, I have to say the Glee Cast one is actually pretty short lol. Yves (talk) 05:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm all right with keeping everything as one page. If we were to change anything into multiple pages, I'd say have a Glee Cast Season 1 Discography page and a Glee Cast Season 2 Discography, keep the albums (even the EPs) where they are, and have the singles only on the season page.  Otherwise, we leave the entire page alone but break the page at "Good Vibrations" (listed last in the Funk episode), give that now-ended section a Season 1 sub-header, then put a new header in below and continue charting for Season 2.
 * Again, I'll ask Frickative her opinion as well. I worked with her to get the Season 1 article to FL status, and I know she's GAed a lot of episode articles, so I highly value her opinion as well.  I see her on MSN as I type, so I'll poke her right now. =D  CycloneGU (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahaha alright; I highly value her opinion as well. :P For naming conventions, though, I don't think Glee Cast Season 1 Discography would work, as that would imply the artist name is "Glee Cast Season 1", which it isn't. If you look at Olivia Newton-John's singles templates, they're divided into Olivia Newton-John singles (1971-1990) and Olivia Newton-John singles (1992-present/Other singles), so I think the parenthetical notation is the preferred method, like it was done for the MJ discography. I think I agree with you on the season split; I think I will do that. Yves (talk) 14:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to do it, I already have an idea in mind for how it could look. =) Let's get her opinion first tho.; she's looking through some FL discogs ATM.  CycloneGU (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry; I already went ahead and did it. Is that what you were thinking? Or something different? Yves (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's part of it! I also had a couple of other changes I was thinking about.  I'm going to use my userspace to play with it a bit and show you what I have in mind.  CycloneGU (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (multiple edit conflict later :p) Hey! I think at this point in time I agree with keeping everything in one article (obviously we can reconsider in the future if things keep growing exponentially) and just splitting the singles up by season. Perusing the lengthier featured discographies it seems they're either split up by decade or a specific "era", which in Glee terms given the massive output is probably the equivalent of a season. The way it's been split now looks good to me :) There have been some WP:ACCESS changes lately that means some of the code for the tables needs tweaking - I think the biggest change is having the title column first rather than the year, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect this discussion. Frickative  14:37, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there are new WP:DISCOGSTYLE guidelines to satisfy the WP:ACCESS part of WP:MoS (for example, I've already converted the discography at Bruno Mars), and I'm going to get around to that soon! :) Yves (talk) 14:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

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See my sandbox as I've started making one suggested change. I've only done two episodes so far on the first season, but if this is a good change I can continue for the entire season. CycloneGU (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * *poke* I saw you active at the other discussion I started, I'm waiting for your opinion on this before I add additional edits in my userspace.  CycloneGU (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well just to let you know, the layout's gonna change to be something like what you see at Rihanna discography, with the song title (most important part) coming first. Maybe it can be at the end? I'm not sure if you should have them; we originally had them, but they were removed for some reason, I think because discographies don't normally have that (for example, see Hannah Montana discography), although I don't know. Yves (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, I know that I reverted the addition of episode titles at some point, though that was several months ago, and my rationale was that it's not a standard facet of discographies. It also possibly creates some redundancy with the song lists. That said, however, I can see that it could be useful information, as Glee is in the rather unique position of essentially having a soundtrack to each episode, so it could be pertinent to note which came from where? I don't really mind either way - perhaps it would be okay if the episodes were moved to the far end column, so they could be easily removed if it became a problem in future? Frickative  19:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Frickative has now made that change in my sandbox copy. It now more closely resembles the Rihanna discography you link to.  The only difference is that Certifications is absent; basically, the uniqueness of "Glee Cast" might allow us to include the extra column for this one, because each episode is its own "album" in a sense.  The exceptions are the third and fourth episodes, which had releases totalling 2 and 1 respectively.


 * We can also wipe out Sales and replace it with Certifications if there are any, but I don't think there are (except perhaps for "Don't Stop Believin'"). CycloneGU (talk) 00:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Great job! Thanks, Frickative; I was just about to do that, and you saved me a lot of time! :D If you don't mind, I will continue the rest of the episode name additions, and yes, I believe the sales column should be replaced with certifications: there are a couple! Yves (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of removing the album column from the second season singles table, because they are all non-album singles. What do you think? Or would you like that information to remain there for people to know they aren't from any album? Yves (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Leave the Albums section in. We have to have an album tracklist sooner or later.
 * I wonder if we can also add the Christmas album to the albums listings BTW, without a link since we only have one supposedly unreliable source (which has proven for this purpose quite reliable, mind) so far? CycloneGU (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Already added lol. (B&N) Yves (talk) 02:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that now. =)
 * Should we put the new Singles layout into the article now? I'll be happy to transpose it in, just gotta be sure we don't erase something from the current article version in error in the transfer.  Otherwise, it can stay in my Sandbox for further tweaks.  CycloneGU (talk) 03:32, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's ready to transfer now. :) I just left out the years from the season 2 songs because the heading is already 2010–present, but do you think we should add them for consistency? Yves (talk) 04:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely missed that column. Do we really need that in there?  CycloneGU (talk) 04:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well we definitely will when episodes air in the new year, so we might as well, right? And just to keep it consistent within both tables. Yves (talk) 04:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant in the first table as well. We're branching it into seasons, and therefore it will take place from 2009-2010 with releases assumed somewhat chronologically.  Therefore, why are we including that column?  I think this is a rare situation where we can avoid using that column because with 86 singles in a two year span it's kinda redundant.  CycloneGU (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Well to show which singles were released in each year, right? Yves (talk) 04:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that. But again, does it matter?  We know it was released during Season 1, a period which (with exception to the pilot in May) took place in a span of less than a full year.  Season 1 is already by itself now, and Season 2 as well.  We've just made the year redundant.  Either that or we mash it back together and keep the year column in.  Personally, I prefer the split and the year omitted.
 * Also, from DISCOGSTYLE, the end of the policy has the rule, "Ignore all rules". While I'm not exactly doing that, it states "...if there is a reasonable justification for deviating from the above guidelines to most accurately or appropriately document an artist's [e.g. cast's] body of work, then ignore all the rules and go with what's best for the article."  This is what I think is best for the article, get the year column outta there.  It's not necessary.
 * I'm curious about Frickative's thoughts on the matter, hopefully she will chip in after getting some sleep. =) CycloneGU (talk) 04:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha omg don't even talk to me about sleep. Sounds good, though; as long as we discussed it, and in case it comes up during peer review or FL nom (which i hope to see this page go to!). =) Yves (talk) 04:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Heehee, I helped get one page there, I'd love to see another get there (though in this case you have a big hand in getting it there!). The challenge will become updating it during all of the nominating with new figures and such, and while the mid-season break gives a chance for just reviewing and fixing stuff, the second half of the season (and season 3) will start introducing possible changes and could throw the page out of FL.  Hopefully we can get it there and keep it there! =D  CycloneGU (talk) 05:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that shouldn't be hard, right? New figures are easily accessible on Billboard and all second season peaks are updated with reliable references, with the exception of two ARIA peaks (we need to wait until the Pandora Archive has those). Yves (talk) 05:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I see you omitted year now. =) After Frickative comments on the page in the morning or whenever, we'll look into transferring it back to the Glee page in updated form.  Wanna give her a chance to comment first. =)  CycloneGU (talk) 05:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! Imma go to bed now or I will miss orgo chem in the morning. Good night + ttyl! :) Yves (talk) 05:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

One more thing I'm noticing. I didn't copy "Other Singles" and am debating how to treat that one. Since it's a thing that all non-single songs will go into without a split, that one would need the year. Either that or we can split those as well into each section with the same sub-header each time, but that might be too much. I may leave it for your judgment, but I'll think about it for a bit. I'm back on the job searching prowl today and won't be here all day, but will be for a bit. CycloneGU (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Gooood morning/afternoon/evening... whenever :p Re: other charted songs... my current thinking iiiiis to leave it as one section (it's relatively small, if there were dozens of songs there it would probably be a different matter), and hm, I think it's okay to have dates there. It might be a slight inconsistency with the season singles tables, but given the sheer multitude of singles there, repeating the same date up to 30 times seems redundant and better covered through the date range in the section header. With the other songs, as there are only a handful of entries, redundancy isn't so much of an issue. I hope that makes sense. The edited singles tables in the sandbox now look great to me, happy to see them transferred into the mainspace :) Frickative  15:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tables imported, the other songs chart is fixed up a bit, Frickative is doing a little more on it but I put episodes in there as well for that consistency and put in the scope bits (which I'm learning about just today while editing). Off to job searching.  We need a new source for Jessie's Girl certifications, apparently the reference name wasn't valid.  CycloneGU (talk) 17:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I fixed that; sorry, my fault. It's all good now; looks great! Good luck with the hunt! :) Yves (talk) 17:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So I've added a bit of background information about the performers and the music of Glee in the lead; seems to be what they are looking for in FLs (examples here and here). I've also added non-breaking spaces and added the Glee task force banner to the task force; thought it was already added, but I guess not (unsure about whether to rate top or high, though... maybe high?). Anything else you guys think needs fixing or work on? Some wording, maybe? I'll look at some FLs tomorrow(today) and see if there's anything specific with the refs that might need some minor tweaking (for example with work vs. publisher). Yves (talk) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)