User talk:Yzx/Archive 1

Stargate characters
Hi again. You may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate. The preliminary result of this discussion was basically to trim the character lists and merge them into the race articles where the size limit of 40-60 kB allows that, see e.g. Ori (Stargate). The really important recurring characters are then further trimmed&merged to the main character lists (i.e. List of Stargate SG-1 characters and List of Stargate Atlantis characters)) with just a paragraph, but the longer summary stays in the Race article. I am mostly focusing on getting the SG-1 characters up to speed and am leaving the Atlantis characters alone, but that overlaps somewhat in the article Artificial human characters in Stargate. If you agree with this procedure, maybe we can coordinate our efforts, because you're doing a pretty darn good job trimming. – sgeureka t•c 07:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Almost all the race articles need trimming anyway and it'll work even better after then. Currently I see you copying the existing character lists into the List of Stargate ??? Character articles; I assume those will be trimmed further when the merging into the race lists happens? -- Yzx (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the copy-pasted character descriptions will be trimmed down to one-paragraph sections (or bullet-point summaries) in the List of Stargate xxx characters articles eventually. It is often easier to see what needs to be done than to speculate on the result, and work needed to start somewhere (I have sloppy-merged roughly 300 crufty SG episode articles and over 100 other SG articles since last October, and now the resulting dozens of crufty lists are slowly being cleaned up). The rest is mostly explained in the discussion I linked above, although nothing is ever set in stone. It's the progress that counts. – sgeureka t•c 18:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Since you're working on the Goa'uld characters now, you may have some idea if/how System Lord can be merged there (the definition of System Lord may find a place in Goa'uld). The overlapping is significant. (This merger was always a long-term plan of me.) – sgeureka t•c 05:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend that the definition be merged into Goa'uld, and the list done away with altogether since it's basically a duplicate of this one. Something should be done with the Goa'uld symbol images; I rather like the way they look on the page but since they're non-free perhaps a link to another website with them (I think one of the game websites has such a page) would suffice. -- Yzx (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For the purpose of wikipedia, GNU- and several Creative Commons-licensed images are considered free. The emblem images can therefore be used in any way we want. – sgeureka t•c 05:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you going to move/merge the emblem images to Goa'uld characters in Stargate? I'll be off to bed in a minute and can't do much now, but I really think the images would serve a good purpose there (especially since the Goa'uld char screenshots may not be around forever in the current image-deletionist atmosphere). – sgeureka t•c 22:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Added, although I wonder if it might not look better to have them all together somewhere, like in a table or something? In terms of images these are rather useful for identifying Jaffa. -- Yzx (talk) 03:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give this some thought. Maybe something like Gallery tag could work, but you may be right in that this may be more a Jaffa topic than the Goa'uld. Maybe we can get more helpful input at the Stargate WikiProject. – sgeureka t•c 09:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Never mind. I merged the remaining images into Goa'uld characters in Stargate, and they aren't annoying, so I'll leave that as the solution for now. Almost all Jaffa char sections say what Goa'uld they served, so the emblem images will just be one click away. – sgeureka t•c 13:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have also begun with merging some of the char lists into the Race articles, but I'll leave those lists for you to merge that you have worked on (i.e. the Genii and the Wraith). The Jaffa and the Ancients should/could only be merged when their Race articles are trimmed first, but I am currently not in the mood to do that. The Goa'uld char list can likely stand on its own, and I am making some progress with the Tau'ri char lists and will see where that leads us. – sgeureka t•c 15:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

When you merge articles, you should also fix so-called double redirects (Double redirects; you can find them easily via "What links here" in the lefthand toolbar, then click on "Hide links"). A bot used to do that, but I haven't seen it around for ages. In the meantime, fair-use rationales on non-free images do not recognize double-redirect backlinks, and the images are placed in deletion categories sometimes within hours. – sgeureka t•c 22:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I need help
I'm interested in the stargate wikiproject but don't know how to help. I'm an avid fan and all but can't find anything that really pops out and says "Do something!" Could you help me?Kosh3 (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Currently most of the work is focused on removing excess plot detail and consolidating non-notable articles into larger, less non-notable articles (there are merge proposals and other details on the Wikiproject main and talk pages). A lot has been accomplished on that front with regards to the character pages, while a lot of articles in other areas remain bloated with trivial facts and speculation (especially in technology articles, which tend to be more prone to that sort of thing than most). There also needs to be copyediting to present tense (used in fiction) and to remove in-universe POV. Of course, what would be incredibly useful at any time is contributions of sourced real-world information. Hope that helps. -- Yzx (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposals
If you propose a merger instead of performing a WP:BOLD merger immediately, you should add merge tags to the articles and open a discussion thread at the merge target's talkpage to get input. I have opened one for the ZPMs at Talk:Ancient_technology_in_Stargate and stated my opinion. You may also be interested in this and this thread from March when I doubted the notability of ZPMs for the first time. – sgeureka t•c 06:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Use of 'minor' designation for edits
Yzx, I don't think that some of your recent edits, such as changes of redirect targets for Asgard technology topics, should have been classed as 'minor edits'. There is not any hard rule about this, though. You might have your preferences set to designated edits as minor by default, a setting I would suggest your reconsidering if this is your pref setting. Regards, --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 12:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks! Glad to be of help. -- Yzx (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If you still get a kick out of trimming SG articles...
...the character articles need a lot of plot trimming. (I'll be doing an initial trim on McKay and Sheppard in a minute.) Every character will require different sections, but I've found a general sectioning like in Homer Simpson or Vala Mal Doran to work well. Encyclopedic expansion can follow later and will not be the/my focus any time soon for most of them. Just a suggestion if you don't know what to do with your time. :-) – sgeureka t•c 20:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Most of those articles are a mess. There's almost no real-world info in them, and trimming the plot down to acceptable levels won't leave much. Still, I'll work some on it when I have time. -- Yzx (talk) 04:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I imagine if everything is said and done (if I can keep up the enthusiasm to get them all to Good Article level), no character article should have more than maybe 7 (preferably 3-5) paragraphs sourced entirely from primary sources. If it turns out that some characters like Jonas, Lt. Ford and George Hammond neither have enough in-universe information nor real-world information to grow beyond non-crufty stubs, it may be time to think about a different representation again (as always, that's too early to tell). – sgeureka t•c 07:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Hatak-collage.jpg)
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DYK for Giant electric ray
Shubinator (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Brachygobius nunus
Could you please add the The Fishes of the Indo-Australian Archipelago reference to the Brachygobius nunus? Thanks much for chiming in on that discussion! --Boston (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the ref. I hope it will help end what is from my perspective a very unnecessary debate.  Here's a happy blue ball of gratitude.  Don't chase it into traffic.  Best wishes.  --Boston (talk) 02:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Stoplight loosejaw
I've reviewed the DYK and confirmed it, but there is a small thing. The article doesn't clearly state that this is the only method or the only wavelength this animal can perceive. A little rewording in the article would help. - Mgm|(talk) 11:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you mean chlorophyll/red light? It's not the only method/wavelength the animal can perceive. I didn't think the DYK implied that. -- Yzx (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. --Ericdn (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Big skate
Shubinator (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Snubnosed eel
--Dravecky (talk) 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Snake mackerel
--Dravecky (talk) 07:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Whitefin dogfish
Shubinator (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Butler's frogfish
--Dravecky (talk) 04:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Brownsnout spookfish
--Dravecky (talk) 09:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Pineapplefish
--Dravecky (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Stingrays galore
What a lot of stingrays. Having just visited Roughtail stingray, and noting you have been busy putting these up for DYK, have you thought of nominating them for Good Article status? They look to me to be in the right ballpark? Or is that a future plan? Cheers.hamiltonstone (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! No, I haven't really thought about Good Articles, as I'm not familiar with the procedure or the requirements. -- Yzx (talk) 01:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Reaching Good Article (GA) status is one of WP's key proceses in developing great content. WP has some criteria for what is a good article. These criteria cover stylistic points and points relating to content - the quality of facts and sources. Check out the Guide for nominating good articles to see a few brief points about the process. Once you've looked at these, I would pick one of your articles that you are happy with (including that there are no copyright etc issues with the images you have used) and nominate it on the Good Article nominations page. There are instructions near the top of that page on how to nominate an article. It can take a few weeks for a reviewer to get around to doing the review (there's a backlog) - which is another reason to nominate one now. Once you have done the first, that review may give you some feedback on whether there are any particular issues worth addressing across all your articles. But the stuff you have been doing looks to me to be pretty high quality, so I would be hopeful that the review process would not be too onerous, and then you could move on to nominating quite a number of your pieces. The GA process is good for WP - it improves content - and good for you - you get helpful tips on improving your work, and get to interact with a few different, and often experienced, Wikipedians. If you're unlucky and come across a grumpy reviewer, don't worry, we all have our off days, and it'll all get sorted out. You can ask a question on my talk page if you wish, or on the page of much more experienced editors than me, like User:Wasted Time R, User:Awadewit or User:Coppertwig. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Common thresher
Hi, I just passed this article. Very nice work - please write many more :) Sasata (talk) 16:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Thanks :) -- Yzx (talk) 21:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Caribbean reef shark
Hi, I am reviewing your article Caribbean reef shark for GA and have left a few comments at Talk:Caribbean reef shark/GA1. These few issues should be easy to fix and otherwise it meets the GA criteria. Please feel free to contact me with comments or questions. Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 21:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Great hammerhead
Hi, I am reviewing your article Great hammerhead for GA and have left some comments at Talk:Great hammerhead/GA1. I think the article is well done, and you should have no problem addressing my comments. Please don't hesitate to contact me with questions or comments. Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 22:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)