User talk:Zaathras/Archive1

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Start. Zaathras (talk) 01:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Articles related to American Politics
ST47 (talk) 01:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Understood, thanks. Zaathras (talk) 02:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Important Notice
Doug Weller talk 16:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * 👍 Zaathras (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Racial Views of Donald Trump
Hi, saw you reverted some of my edits to the Racial Views of Donald Trump page with the comment "Whitewashing". I've raised it on the talk page, perhaps you could explain what you meant. As far as I can tell the only whitewashing is the attempt to eliminate anything that contradicts the page's narrative. Rambo Apocalypse (talk) 15:29, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
This is your only warning; if you remove or change other editors' legitimate talk page comments again, as you did at Talk:Joe Biden, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Rusf10 (talk) 22:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * First off, you have no authoritative backing to issue warnings, so we can laugh that one off. Second, "legitimate talk page comments" is not accurate. You templated a user, you didn't comment. Removing your wrongly-applied template is not changing your talk page comments, as it wasn't actually a comment. Zaathras (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You obviously don't take any of this seriously. There are very few instances where it is acceptable to revert someone on a talk page. Second, what authority do you have to lecture me on SPA accounts, which is not the same thing as a sockpuppet. You yourself are a borderline SPA. I've never heard anyone use the phrase "Go outside and jerk yourself a soda", but I don't like the way it sounds, read WP:CIVILITY. Please don't continue down this road because it will eventually lead to a block or ban.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


 * It'll lead to a block or ban for you buddy bro, if you keep using templates incorrectly. I will see to it that you stop harassing that user. As for the quote, it is from Bugsy. Zaathras (talk) 12:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. - Alexis Jazz 18:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have responded to the best of my ability, and have nothing further to add. Zaathras (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction
Johnuniq (talk) 05:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * 6 months seems a bit hefty for infraction #1, but whatevs.
 * A shame this didn't get rolling a few days earlier, 11/28/20 is 2 days past Thanksgiving. Zaathras (talk) 18:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right, it is hefty. The diffs showed a very inappropriate approach. An appeal after three months of collaborative editing in other areas might be successful. Johnuniq (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * . Zaathras (talk) 02:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's important to you, then I think you should appeal right now.  What puzzles me is why anyone thinks you should have to put up with Rusf10 (or any editor) going to your personal talk page to threaten you & to forcefully attack you personally. Now grant it, I've only been here a very short 35 days so I'm learning the rules, but from what little I know of the WP guidelines, it seems to me that Rusf10 was "bludgeoning" by starting a 'survey' that had already been closed just days before (because he/she did not like the results of the other survey) & then he/she started an edit war with SPECIFICO & you by inappropriately tagging me an SPA.  And instead of ending his/her edit war, Rusf10 personally attacked you & SPECIFICO on the article's talk page & then he/she went to your personal talk page to threaten you, to silence you.
 * I'm not 2nd guessing the Admin, who know far more than I do about the WP rules, but as far as a "topic ban" goes, out of the 8 diffs Rusf10 is complaining about, only 2 of the 8 were on a political talk page, 3 of the 8 were on non-political talk pages that had zero (0) to do with politics, and the last 3 of the 8 were you defending yourself on your personal talk page against Rusf10's threats & personal attacks against you.  I don't know, like I said, the Admin knows for more than me, but, if it's important to you, then I think you should appeal right now. And by the way, I've seen far worse said on WP talk pages than what you wrote and, in those cases, no one got topic banned.
 * Finally, I would like to say "thank you" for defending me against Rusf10's unfounded and inappropriate tagging of me. As one long-time editor wrote on within Rusf10's survey: "I absolutely agree. BetsyRMadison's account does not have the typical characteristics associated with an SPA. I see no evidence whatsoever that this editor exhibits ... Therefore, tagging BetsyRMadison's account as an SPA is inappropriate. In fact, I would argue that in this case the act is designed to unduly influence a potential closer of this discussion, which is WORSE than being a niche editor."
 * So, once again, thank you, I truly appreciate you sticking your neck out to defend me. WP needs editors like you. BetsyRMadison (talk) 12:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I appreciate it, but around here is really is like the old schoolyard days where if the bully punches you and you punch back, the teacher only tends to see punch #2. The Three-fold Law will lead to some of the names at that discussion being dragged there themselves someday, I have no doubt. Zaathras (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I made the report, not Rusf10. Zaathras should have discussed the SPA thing on Rusf10's talk page, and if that didn't work out, report the issue elsewhere. But that wasn't even what I created the report for. Zaathras was not working with other editors but on several occasions against them. That doesn't help the project, so I reported it. - Alexis Jazz 11:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * To Alexis Jazz - You say you "created a report" because in your mind, he/she was "was not working with other editors but on several occasions against them." Yet, in your filed report you did not mention any such thing.  So would you be so kind as to address them here?
 * Can you give specific examples of projects is Z working on that you feel he/she is not working with editors but against them?
 * Does the "Topic Ban" include topics that cover topics/projects Z is working on that you feel Z works against editors?
 * Do you feel that it would have been better for you to resolve your real concerns if you would have listed the projects and explained in detail your real concerns within the complaint you filed so that Admin Johnuniq could have helped you solve your real concerns?
 * Alexis, I know that both you & Z volunteer your time and work hard to improve WP articles. So I feel you both deserve to have your real concerns be discussed and resolved. None of us are perfect, we all make mistakes, and when we do, it's best to be honest with ourselves and each other so we can resolve issues and work together. In my view, it will be impossible for you to get your real concerns resolved if Z does not know what your real concerns are. So I hope you will take time address them here. Thanks BetsyRMadison (talk) 13:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * any post by you on this page again will be reverted. Zaathras (talk) 13:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Zaathras, Sorry, I didn't see your comment until after I replied to Alexis. I am only trying to figure out why Alexis didn't address his/her real concerns with the Admin. I'm scratchin' my head on that. BetsyRMadison (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * That's fine, but I can't make comments specifically about the case anymore as that'd likely be construed as being part of the topic ban. Some love to nitpick around here. There's plenty of other topics to dive around in, anime, scifi...a lot of the old Transformers articles look like they could use some sprucing up. It's all good. :) Zaathras (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "anime" now you're talkin'! There sure are a lot of fantastic anime's out there. BetsyRMadison (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Confused
I'm not sure what happened here; your edit summary says this section is exclusively about white supremacy, but your edit replaced "white supremacy" with "racism". M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 00:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, that was a serious dyslexic moment on my part, I swear it was the exact opposite earlier. Thanks. Zaathras (talk) 02:00, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Notification

 * 👍 Zaathras (talk) 22:09, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Arb remedy at Donald Trump
Hey Zaathras, Bob K31416 makes a good point about your recent edit at Donald Trump. There's an active 24-hour BRD cycle remedy on the page. Though it appears you waited 24 hours before reverting, you didn't discuss before doing so. I recommend a self-reversion here. I hope this helps. Firefangledfeathers 04:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Never mind, already reverted. Firefangledfeathers 05:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Yea, people are bound & determined to die on this hill for The Former Guy, with regards to this topic. So be it. Zaathras (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Your edit warring
A few tips/polite requests:

1) Please refrain from adding your personal speculation into the Murder of Tessa Majors article about the subject's gender identity.

2) When it comes to MOS:GENDERID, follow the sources. If the sources are inconclusive, don't fill in the blanks with your unfounded but I'm sure well-intentioned inferences.

3) Please not blindly revert a host of changes because you took issue with one specific aspect of a change.

4) Please do not claim consensus for content that was not actually ever in the article.

Thanks. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Mr. Wikieditor19920, remind me again of how many Wikipedia topics from which you are topic-banned from for edit-warring and general hostility? Is it 1, 2? Zaathras (talk) 17:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't give me this garbage. You are removing content that doesn't even reference pronouns. You are wholesale reverting additions to the lead (and leaving the rest of the article using she/her pronouns untouched) out of blind antagonism. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You also keep claiming the "Burden" is on me. For what, exactly? No part of the article uses they/them pronouns. Your reversion here actually MAINTAINS she/her pronouns. So this is all bullshit. You aren't even actually contesting my changes in the manner you are claiming. If you want to go to ANI purely to bully someone away from the article, rethink your approach. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, take this as an advance warning that you are at 3RR. For three reverts that actually RESTORED she/her pronouns, contrary to your crap claims above. Of course, AE is a totally arbitrary roll of the dice, so be my guest if that's the route you want to go. But this is exactly the kind of toxic, antagonistic editing that makes Wikipedia largely an unproductive waste of time. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 17:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know about you
But when an editor comes to my Talk page in the midst of a debate and without due cause posts a warning template there, I think a reasonable person could construe that as an effort to harass and intimidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soibangla&action=history

soibangla (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Pretty much, yes. There's an essay somewhere here about the "polite pov push", but I'm always terrible at remembering those WP:* names. Zaathras (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alerts
Just giving you the heads up about the discretionary sanctions that apply to the Rowling article. I saw you already received the BLP noticed a few days ago. If you wish, you can use Template:DS/Aware at the top of your talk page to show awareness of any notifications you receive when you archive your talk page contents. Sideswipe9th (talk) 04:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

"On Editing"
Looking at your user page, I was struck by the section On Editing. At the risk of whatever, I could suggest a couple things, not knowing you very well and not knowing if they are relevant to your case. First, it might help to remind yourself that any contribution doesn't have to be perfect. And if someone criticizes or reverts it, well that's Wikipedia. Second, composing contributions can be easy because one isn't starting from scratch. Find a worthwhile excerpt from a reliable source, paraphrase or summarize it, and there you go. Bob K31416 (talk) 01:34, 14 February 2022 (UTC)