User talk:Zacharyso1

April 2019
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Kosher wine, you may be blocked from editing. ''Now you are edit-warring. It's apparent that you don't know the subject area. You don't need to be a male to make kosher wine. I suggest you stop reverting. '' Sir Joseph (talk) 17:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's obvious your sources you are using are not accurate. You do not need to be a man to make kosher wine. I have provided reliable sources, and as per WP:BLUE, those are good to go. I suggest you stop reverting. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Wait a minute, your argument is literally: I don't have to refute your multiple sources because it's OBVIOUS that they are wrong? This is absolutely absurd. You are being disruptive:

Does not engage in consensus building: a. repeatedly disregards other editors' questions or requests for explanations concerning edits or objections to edits; b. repeatedly disregards other editors' explanations for their edits.

You have YET to actually dispute the qualifications to your sources from MULTIPLE sources.
 * Show me a scan of the book where it explicitly says you need to be a male. Then we can start to talk. And the fact is that they are wrong. You don't need to be a male. So even if they state that, they are incorrect. And my sources does not say that, so you are incorrect, they would have pointed it out had it been a requirement. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Kosher wine, you may be blocked from editing. ''There is no such thing as a moderator or chief editor. You are edit warring.'' Sir Joseph (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I provided sources, if you don't like it, you utilize the talk page, you don't keep blindly reverting. That's not how it works. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:02, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * a very nice article about women and making wine Sir Joseph (talk) 18:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

1. It's sad you're describing it as "blindly reverting" when I'm citing sources that qualify yours. You, sir, are the blind reverter.

2. You cannot assume what a source IMPLIES, which is what you're doing when your less-specific sources do not qualify it as men.

3. You obviously do not understand how wine is made since you can have a female wine-maker while still ensuring that it's HANDLED, per halacha, by male observant Jews.

4. Happy to show you a treasure trove of resources that demonstrate how incorrect you are on this subject:

https://www.forbes.com/2009/04/02/kosher-wines-passover-lifestyle-wine-kosher-wine.html#4d0285123a50

For a wine to be kosher, the vines on which the grapes are grown must be at least four years old and left unharvested every seventh year. The winemaking process must accord with the kosher regulations, and the tools may not be used for purposes outside of winemaking. In addition, these tools may only be used by practicing male Jews. Kosher winemaking in no way negatively affects the quality of wine produced.

http://www.onjewishmatters.com/lchaim-to-life-judaism-and-wine/

During the harvest, only Sabbath observant male Jews are allowed to work on the production of the wines. In order for a wine to be kosher, it must be created under a rabbi’s immediate supervision.

https://www.post-gazette.com/life/libations/2009/04/02/Fit-and-proper-wines-for-Passover/stories/200904020392

Kosher simply means "fit and proper" in Hebrew. For a wine to be kosher, it must be made entirely, from the crushing of the grapes to bottling, by Sabbath-observant, orthodox male Jews. The equipment and machinery must be used exclusively for kosher products. Otherwise, the wines are identical to other wines and can be judged on the world stage next to their nonkosher counterparts

Divine Vintage: Following the Wine Trail from Genesis to the Modern Age

https://books.google.com/books?id=Zw4MkiIjyB4C&pg=PA91&dq=kosher+wine+%22male+jews%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirzMr3va_hAhWJsFQKHd71BfkQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=kosher%20wine%20%22male%20jews%22&f=false

Food, Cuisine, and Cultural Competency for Culinary, Hospitality,

https://books.google.com/books?id=Tl9Pcq25s8AC&pg=PA30&dq=kosher+wine+%22male+jews%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirzMr3va_hAhWJsFQKHd71BfkQ6AEINjAC#v=onepage&q=kosher%20wine%20%22male%20jews%22&f=false

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4606663,00.html

o be considered kosher, Sabbath-observant male Jews must supervise the entire winemaking process and any ingredients used must be kosher.

Your recent editing history at Kosher wine shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.I don't know which one of you is right, but you both need to stop reverting and take it to the article's talk page. shoy (reactions) 18:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You violated 3RR and you violated EDITWAR, and BRD and quite a few other stuff. Explain why you should not be blocked. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Because it's obvious from any even cursory review of the evidence that my edits are the ones that reflect reality :0).
 * That's not how editing on Wikipedia works. You don't just revert without discussing. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Fair, but do I need to post the screenshot where you reverted my first edit, with sources, with your comment "I don't think this is true?"
 * And you are incorrect, I do not think you need to be a male to make wine, your sources are incorrect. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Here's another article about women in wine making, Sir Joseph (talk) 18:52, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you should revert your edit. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, so this is the first source that you've cited that actually contributes to the discussion. This isn't a very strong source, the best he comes to talking about what's in dispute (which is who can HANDLE the juice, not who can MAKE the WINE, which are very different things) is this: "And while there may be some debate among various rabbis and religious pundits (welcome to being Jewish!), there is really nothing that states a woman cannot make kosher wine." This is a pretty weak argument when there are dozens of contradictory articles from reliable sources that explicitly state otherwise. What's more likely, this one apologist is wrong/misleading or that there is a giant conspiracy found on the internet about what entails a kosher wine?

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thank you. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)