User talk:Zad68/Archive 2014 Aug

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Apparently, a boat trains doctors in arts of lying about when they are on vacation (traditionally, any day of the week is compulsory for preventing workaholism). Computer off, get sun, go for run; not seven days a week, though. I do not recommend travelling on this boat, because it also seems to make them fail to believe in what they are reading, unless it is fiction. I feel like failing a doctor in English comprehension, statistics, and convicting him of attacking his own children before they are born. Daman Hongren (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry I just do not see how comments like this or your interactions with Doc James in general are helpful or productive.   15:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I do not know how to deal with broken records and bots, which are pretty much the same thing. Blueberry and Bitter melon smoothies will take you a lot farther than candy and ketamine in minecraft or Blockout. Oversimplification is the most common fallacy. Daman Hongren (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Antidepressant


 * I have watchlisted Antidepressant per your edit summary.  23:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Please do not argue with all changes at once, and definitely not before a bot fills in citations. Jytdog's reversion referred me to the talk page (nothing to see there) on non-controversial changes, in my humble opinion. It just occurred to me that external pmids are more usable if they have names. Restart. It used to be that when I refreshed an edition window, that it would re-start the way it was: It was the same as cancelling an edition. Daman Hongren (talk) 00:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like he was not the only one who didn't think your changes were an improvement.  01:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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page protection
Can you please change the protection level when it expires on Ebola virus disease to pending changes? I've noticed that there are IPs who do make constructive contributions, especially on topics that are in the news, as this one is. Often times, they are very knowledgeable and pick up mistakes. They are quite different from the usual school-age group of vandals who are likely headed our way once school is back in session in September. Pending changes seems like a good solution for both. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 20:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Good points, don't let me forget to try this, thanks.  03:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I will, thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Legal threat
Please see the linked pdf of a court filing. Seems to be intended to create a general "chill", as well as to go after one editor in particular. LeadSongDog come howl!  18:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, beyond inappropriate. As expected the IP traces back to the company itself.  Looks like  is already on it.   18:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Part of the PDF (number 4) mentions "recently republished", which, if this was done on the internet, makes it inactionable, per a decision in Barrett v. Rosenthal. I don't know if there are other aspects which are actionable, since I'm not a lawyer. Other spots in the PDF mention "publish and republish". Anderson, as the original publisher (in 1999!), would be the one who is at risk. Have they ever gone after him?
 * Journalists who notice this case could create a Streisand effect which could seriously damage BlackLight and weaken their case.
 * Here's an interesting article, which I found on BlackLight's website, and tracked down: Mills: God or Fraud?, ''Livemint & The Wall Street Journal. Is this a RS we can use in the article?
 * Pinging User:AndyTheGrump. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:56, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As I've stated on my talk page, I'm not going to discuss the issue further on Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Except that decision only went to the California Supreme Court, so it's not binding in New Jersey. And worse, New Jersey doesn't have an anti-SLAPP statute which probably would have killed this thing immediately. I doubt this case will go anywhere and it's clearly a SLAPP at BLP critics. Andy's mentioned on his talk page that he's not going to talk about it here though, so please respect that preference. Hopefully the EFF will jump in an help. Ravensfire ( talk ) 02:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Good articles Future GAN Backlog Drive
Hello everyone! Hope you've all been having a great summer!

TheQ Editor recently proposed the idea of having another Backlog Drive in either September/October or November/December of this year. For those of you who have participated in the past two drives you know I was the one who organized them, however, come September, this will be my most important year in school so I will not be able to coordinate this drive (if it happens). TheQ Editor has volunteered to be a coordinator for the drive. If any of you would like to co-coordinator, please notify TheQ Editor on his talk page.

If you would be interested in participating in a Backlog Drive sometime before the end of this year, please notify TheQ Editor. Also, make sure to specify what month(s) work best for you.

At the time this message was sent out, the backlog was at 520 nominations. Since May, the backlog has been steadily increasing and we are currently near an all time high. Even though the backlog will not disappear over one drive, this drive can lead to several others which will (hopefully) lead to the day where there is no longer a backlog.

As always, the more participants, the better, and everyone is encouraged to participate!

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Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

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We are wondering about the educational background of our top medical editors. Would you please complete a quick 5-question survey? (please only fill this out if you received the award)

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And one of the top duck hunters too

 * I get maybe 2% of the grief an actual hard-working admin gets, but appreciated in good humor Seppi!   02:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete of patient reports
Why did you delete the reports by patients of brain damage from ECT? My own wife, by the way, was definitely damaged by it, and received no benefit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisenbe (talk • contribs) 01:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry to hear about your wife, truly I am. Every treatment has possible risks and complications, and every treatment has some limit to its effectiveness.  For Wikipedia articles we require high-quality reliable sourcing for medical information, including such things as reactions to or complications of those undergoing a treatment.  Please see the medical sourcing guideline, WP:MEDRS.    01:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Aren't Rutgers University Press, and Random house, reliable sources? My intent was not to make medical commentary, merely report that many patients report damage. This shouldn't be censored, and it seems to me that that's what you are doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisenbe (talk • contribs) 01:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Appreciate the self-revert. The sources provided didn't meet the standard of WP:MEDRS.    01:46, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I see you put it back. The concerns I have raised regarding the quality of the sourcing still stands.  Can you find better sourcing.  I will check back later and if the sourcing still isn't meeting the required standards I will unfortunately have to remove it again.   01:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ice Bucket Challenge
I suppose you noticed the vandalism taking place on the Ice Bucket Challenge page. The vandal repeatedly added an inappropriate image to the page and I reverted his vandalism 8 times. Thanks for blocking him! Best, Meatsgains (talk) 20:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem!   20:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Redirect for Deletion
Hi Zad!

Long time no talk. I was wondering if, as an admin, you could get a redirect page removed. I tried doing it myself already, but did not do the process correctly.

The redirect article in question is Palestinian Holocaust, which redirects to 1948 Palestinian exodus. I do not think this redirect article should exist; the term "Palestinian Holocaust" is purely loaded propaganda, and a non-academic, non-professional, and non-widely-accepted term. (The word "Holocaust" does not even appear once on the 1948 Palestinian exodus page.) In light of this, I think it should be removed.

Many thanks! --(Moshe) מֹשֶׁה‎ 23:11, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Heya Moshe, hope you're doing well! For what you're describing, and the redirect can reasonably assumed to be "potentially problematic", the process you need is:  WP:RFD.  It's not a subject area I really step into and I'm wrapping up my day right now, so that noticeboard is your best bet.  Take care...   23:17, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Cup
Hello everyone! We hope you have all been having a great summer!

As we all know, the recent GAN Backlog Drives have not had any big impact on the backlog. Because of that, me (Dom497), Figureskatingfan, and TheQ Editor have worked on an idea that could possibly finally put a dent into the massive backlog. Now, I will admit, the idea isn't entirely ours as we have took the general idea of the WikiCup and brought it over to WikiProject Good Articles. But anyways, here's what we have in mind:

For all of you that do not know what the WikiCup is, it is an annual competition between several editors to see who can get the most Good Articles, Featured Article's, Did You Know's, etc. Based of this, we propose to you the GA Cup. This competition will only focus on reviewing Good articles.

For more info on the proposal, click here. As a FYI, the proposal page is not what the final product will look like (if you do go ahead with this idea). It will look very similar to WikiCup's page(s).

The discussion for the proposal will take place here. Please let us know if you are interested, have any concerns, things to consider, etc.

--Dom497, Figureskatingfan, and TheQ Editor

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