User talk:Zad68/Archive 2014 Dec

Electronic cigarette
Well-sourced doesn't excuse being incoherent and wrong. Inasmuch as that sentence had any meaning it makes it appear that these drugs are common ingredients of e-liquid, whereas they're almost never present. I will rewrite that sentence so it makes sense and reflects the facts.--FergusM1970Let's play Freckles 20:10, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * He does not really want to rewrite the text. He wants to delete it. User:FergusM1970, do you want to delete a lot of text from the article going forward? QuackGuru  ( talk ) 03:14, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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Confidence intervals
I think we had a discussion once about the interpretation of confidence intervals, and why there isn't necessarily a 95% chance that the true value lies within a 95% confidence interval. At least I think it was you; I can't find the discussion now. In any case, I came across an in-press paper from Wagenmaker's group (who do excellent work in highlighting the statistical misconceptions which underlie most high-profile social-psychology research) which discusses the issue in more detail, and more clearly, than I could. The paper is here; see "Myth #3" in particular. Andrew Gelman has a blog post on the topic here. Cheers, and hope you're well. MastCell Talk 18:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Mathematicians get to quote The Princess Bride in their papers? No one told me this when I was deciding on career paths. NW ( Talk ) 16:33, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Mathematicians can quote anyone they want in their papers, because no one reads them. :P These guys are statisticians and psychologists, though. MastCell Talk 16:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I love it when the cool people hang out on my Talk page! Thanks MastCell for that paper, yes it was me you started to have that conversation with but then we both got pulled in various directions.  I will try to make time to read it but I've been even busier than my normally pretty damn busy self in the past days.  And NW, academics quoting movies?  Inconceivable!    05:16, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Question about Breaking of Wikipedia Policy
Hi Zad,

numerous times now I have caught you changing my edits on the circumcision page after we had reached consensus on talk page regarding an addition. I would like to remind you that you must gain consensus on the talk page for any edit, and that includes changing my edits. Please open discussion on the talk page if you find that my edits are inadequate.

JohnPRsrcher (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, your interpretation of the events is incorrect, unfortunately. Also see WP:BRD.  Just as you were busy earlier in the month I've been busy recently.  Remember there is no timeline, there is no rush. I plan to address the recent edits tomorrow.   04:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Understood.

JohnPRsrcher (talk) 17:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Blacklight Power
Hi Zad - wonder if you could turn your admin's eye in this direction - there's some disruptive editing going on again and it may be that the semi-protection is in order? Alexbrn talk 15:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey sorry I haven't been paying closer attention, been busy IRL, so thanks for the pointer.  Looks like  is trying blocking the IP. Let's see if that works.  Will try to check in later.  Hope you're having good holidays if they're yours this time of year! :)   16:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks yes, I'm taking a break from the celebrations by hanging out on Wikipedia ;-) Alexbrn talk 16:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Bolnick Textbook
I can't access this book, so can't see their summary of policy statements. According to cirp, these are all of the policy statements made by English speaking nation, and the majority of policy statements in their entirety. I don't know if we can trust cirp, but we should investigate this matter to see if it is true.

JohnPRsrcher (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * if you are serious about developing Wikipedia articles according to the content rules, you'll stop trying to use CIRP to support your arguments. Continuing to reference the self-published website of an activist group just further points out an agenda.   05:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok. How about this? I would like to use the policy statements from Canada, Britain, New Zealand, Australia, and the Netherlands for the page. These are all reviews of the literature and are indicating that the question of whether it is a human rights violation has been raised. They also indicate that this procedure has different value for different sets of demographics. For instance, it may be encouraged in the US where we have a significant amount of HPV, but in other nations there may be no cost benefit. In addition, other nations may be more willing to not encourage it because of an increase of protesting from persons in their society.

Also, I would like to see this Bolnick textbook. I may be able to get a copy at school to look at.

JohnP 17:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * you clearly are still attempting to use the CIRP self-published advocacy website to influence your Wikipedia editing. This is not good-faith editing in line with Wikipedia's purposes.  If you'd like to develop the topic, find an independent, academic resource that surveys the available position statements, rather than going to a single-purpose advocacy website and using their biased view.   04:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I told you I'm not. I found all of these technical reports from other countries. They are technical reports. They have good information about the cost effectiveness of circumcision with respect to UTIs, HIV, and other STIs with respect to the demographics in those countries.

They are technical reports not policy statements. I'm sorry for mispeaking, I thought you would understand what I was trying to say. Lol, of course I'm not trying to directly cite policy statements, I'm not stupid.

JohnP 16:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnPRsrcher (talk • contribs)

If you're on see the talk page
Hey. Sorry I wrote a bunch of stuff on the talk page under some of the comments. I did an analysis of some of the sources we have (on ethical and moral issues) and also redid my analysis on MSM. To make it easier I put **** (stars) above the most recent comments, and so that you don't have to read the whole thing.

Also, I'm not trying to be bias by using the technical reports that I found on cirp. I literally found them through a google search when I was searching for other countries technical reports. Cirp made it really easy because they were all translated and I didn't have to go look them up on foreign countries websites. So don't think that I'm biased or anything I just found a bunch of technical reports, I can probably do more searching and find more too.

JohnP 17:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnPRsrcher (talk • contribs)


 * OK . In addition to the fact that they violate copyright and so can't be linked from Wikipedia, the dangers of using CIRP are that 1) They put their own comments into the documents they host, or otherwise modify them, and do not always notify you which comments are in the original documents and which ones are theirs; 2) They will only host the versions of the documents they find most favorable to their positions, so they will for example feature a version of a document from 1994 which favors their position, but will not notify you that the document has since been updated to a version less favorable to their position, so you get a skewed perspective; and 3) They generally only host documents that favor their position, of course.  Any serious editor who's coming to Wikipedia without an agenda would as a matter of course steer clear of using such a website.  The fact that you keep going back to it is rather telling.   02:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

No but I literally went to Britain, Canada, and Australia's websites and found them. They're all current too because I found them on their websites using a search and was careful about that.

JohnP (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)