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Unreferenced BLPs
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 * 1) Ferdinand Hartzenberg -

Hello
Hello, Zaian! I see you've made some wonderful contribution to African related articles. Would you be at all interested in helping improve the Mandela article back up to GA standard after it inevitably fails the GAR because of content issies? Thanks — Aaroncrick  TALK 11:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Helen Zille - thanks for catching that
Thanks for catching that deletion on the Helen Zille article. I thought I had reverted the whole block of edits, but I must have missed that one. - htonl (talk) 08:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Devils peak
Sorry but I moved "Devils Peak, Santa Cruz Island'' to Devils Peak (Santa Barbara County, California). Your method of disambiguation is fine for most articles but geological features are usually disambiguated the way I did it. Read WikiProject Mountains. Devils Peak (California) would normally be OK but there are 12 summits named Devils Peak in California according to Geographic Names Information System. This Devils Peak was just added today. – droll   &#91;chat&#93;  21:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I agree. Regards, Zaian (talk) 06:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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Mostert's Mill
Hi, I've expanded the Mostert's Mill article, which you created. Are you anywhere near Cape Town? If so, some internal photographs would be useful additions for the article. Also needed are photos of the other surviving South African windmills for the List of windmills in South Africa Don't worry if you are not in a position to obtain them. Mjroots (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Belated Barnstar
Yeah, some people thought it was a hopeless cause, but, just by bringing it up, you made it happen. Thanks. HuskyHuskie (talk) 04:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Omalley -- reliable?
G'day Zaian. Do you regard http://www.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/index.php/site/q/03lv02039/04lv02133/05lv02139/06lv02146.htm (and other pages on that site) as reliable? -- leuce (talk) 15:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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Nelson Mandela-"Father of the Nation"
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DYK nomination of Order of Playa Girón
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DYK for Order of Playa Girón
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Recipients of the Bronze Wolf Award
I'm going down the list trying to knock out the last few redlinks, these fellows are from your neck of the woods: Arthur H. Johnstone, Bennett B. Shotade, Carveth Geach, Garnet de la Hunt, and Colin Inglis. Might this be something you'd like to tackle?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:02, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, and nice catch on Shotade-often Wikipedia is not quite correct ;) --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a gap between 1973-1977, was there another Chief Scout between Geach and Inglis? Anything on Johnstone?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your work on this. I found the list of past Chief Scouts here: http://www.scouting.org.za/capewest/heritage/Legendary%20Leaders/ChiefScoutsofSA.pdf. PS do you know how to set the skintone on the uniform figure in the template? Zaian (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * We're working on that-we have the skintone graphics ready on Commons, but I don't know anyone good at Wikicoding. My skill is asking others to do stuff I don't know how, but in this case I've asked and come up deadend. I will keep plugging and let you know. Meanwhile, is Charles A. Martin the missing gap? Wiki said Zimbabwe, but the name matches... (see "often Wikipedia is not quite correct ;)" above)--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, if you want to do different age levels or genders, I made it work at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouts_Australia. --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right, it was the same person, and he was involved in both South Africa and Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). Thanks! Zaian (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What, really?!? Man, if we could find more about that, that fact alone is good for front page newest articles! Never heard of that!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the citation but not the bottom infobox for Sir Stanley. Who comes before him on the list? I can't read PDFs from this Mac.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can find out about Charles Martin. Before E Percy Fowle, it looks like they were all colonial administrators - figureheads rather than active Chief Scouts. Zaian (talk) 20:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I noticed you left out the period/full stop in the initialism for Fowle. If you want to do that with the other SA ones, I'm totally okay if you want to move the articles or tag them SA-English. I'm not possessive and it is great that there is someone from that corner who this is meaningful to.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No movement on the skintone issue-I tried at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_151#need_help_from_someone_good_with_coding.21_re:_Template:Infobox_WorldScouting.2Funiform, no good. Know anyone good with coding?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed, take a gander!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for getting this to happen! Zaian (talk) 12:06, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Cecilia Park vs. Forest
Dear Zaian, Just quickly to explain why the article was originally named "Cecilia Park" and not Cecilia Forest. The info comes from the SANPARKS website (as part of Table Mountain National Park, this piece of land falls under their management, national jurisdiction etc.)

There were in fact TWO pieces of land called "Cecilia Forest" - one which the article is about, and one which lies up the slope from Kirstenbosch & Newlands Forest. The latter is a large indigenous forest which (confusingly) probably overlaps with the former, which was a separate forest/commercial plantation that's now been incorporated into TMNP.

The piece of land which the article is about, is now much less of a "forest" as most of its pine & gum plantations have been harvested, and indigenous forest will only be restored on certain patches (the others going to various types of fynbos and recreation facilities. See the Cecilia Park management plan on the SanParks website.)

This is why SanParks decided to rename it "Cecilia Park" - to avoid confusion with the indigenous forests further north, and also to emphasise the purpose of the land as being for local recreation. I'll let you decide on the proper way ahead, but I wanted to explain why you found so many results in a search for "Cecilia Forest" - and so few for the new name for this one specific piece of land. I also wanted to direct you to the website of the actual authorities here (www.sanparks.org) where you can not only find online references to the name-change, but also download the PDF management plan documents and a whole bunch of reports too. Abu Shawka (talk) 11:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the comments. I have looked at the SANParks site and I can't see an indication of "Cecilia Park" as the official name, but I do see lots of references to "Cecilia", so it does seem that the "Forest" part of the name is being dropped by SANParks. The SANParks site only returns 6 search results for "Cecilia Park". The main one is a document titled "Cecilia Park - an illustrated vision for the future" but that document refers to Cecilia 'Park' in quotes, suggesting it is not an official name. https://www.sanparks.org/docs/parks_table_mountain/planning_docs/cecilia-plantation-llustrated-vision.pdf. Zaian (talk) 12:14, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Scientific publication on the Primary School Project
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 * Thank you, I have had a look at the section mentioning my username, and have no issues with it. Zaian (talk) 08:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Best Anthere (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

while researching Winston...
I found this, which I had heard before but never followed up: "in South Africa at the time, there were four different Scouting Associations" When were they created, when did they merge, what were the org names, emblems, available history, etc...?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Apartheid
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 * Thanks for engaging, but I strongly dispute your intepretation of policy. *You* repeatedly applied the same edit without attempting to improve it even after specific comments were made to you about its faults. Please do not imply that I am the one at fault here. Zaian (talk) 07:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Cecilia Park name
Hi, I wanted to ask if you could please revert the switch from Cecilia Park > Cecilia Forest. There are several reasons to support this, which I'll try explain below:

Firstly, the name "Cecilia Forest" is ambiguous. It is common in popular usage to refer to two entirely different patches of land in Cape Town. It also refers to the real "forest" (pls note, the term has a strict definition in SANParks!) north and west of Kirstenbosch. Originally it was all the wooded land that lay within Cecil John Rhodes's property, but that's just the history. The name "Cecilia Forest" is now popularly used to refer to the forest by Kirstenbosch (technically the Groote Schuur estate) and ALSO the former "Plantation" (NB again, not a "forest"! https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/c_plantation.jpg ) in the area now renamed just "Cecilia" or "Cecilia Park". This means the wikipedia page "Cecilia Forest" should, at the least, be a disambiguation page.

Secondly, while the nickname is still more commonly used, that does not mean that the official name (as applied by the appropriate authorities) should not still be the main Wikipedia page.

Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam is a good precedent here. The most common name that the residents of that city use in conversation is still the name "Saigon". However the appropriate authorities in this case (ie. the government!) are the ones which influenced which name becomes the main wikipedia page. The more popular name "Saigon" redirects to that page. It should not be the other way around.

Cecilia should follow the same sort of template. I suggest that the earlier nickname "Cecilia Forest" should be a disambiguation page for the different "Cecilia Forests" of Cape Town (or a redirect page to the official name if you choose). The official name as expressed on Wikipedia could actually be one of several possibilities. All of which I think would satisfy the rather strictly-defined terms in nature conservation:
 * It could be "Cecilia Park" which is the name for the recreational area that is currently being developed there (see SANParks website here: https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/cecilia_park_vision.jpg )
 * It could be "Cecilia Plantation" which would also be technically correct, though the plantation is almost completely removed by now so the lifespan of this name is limited and will soon be historical (see: https://www.sanparks.org/parks/table_mountain/library/2007/tc/tokai_cecilia_dec07/background.jpg )
 * It could even be "Cecilia, Table Mountain" or "Cecilia (Table Mountain)", "Cecilia section of Table Mountain National Park", as you'll have seen that at the park itself when you walk around, the official signage mostly just uses the name "Cecilia".

However it cannot be "Cecilia Forest". That name is quite definitely not correct, which is why it was officially changed.

Please consider & revert or change name accordingly. Thank you. S Molteno (talk) 11:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the background. I think "Cecilia, Table Mountain" is probably the best page name. I saw that the signs now refer to "Cecilia", and "Cecilia Forest" isn't in significant use on the SANParks website any more . I couldn't find "Cecilia Park" except in that 2007 vision document that you linked to, so I think that name is a bit speculative, unless there are other more definitive sources for that name being used.  I agree about the "plantation" being likely to fall away. Zaian (talk) 13:35, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. When it comes to definitions in nature conservation, it is technically a "park", but the name "Cecilia, Table Mountain" that you suggest is correct and would serve perfectly well as an article title. (Btw, I suppose Cape TOWN is technically a "City", isn't it, so clearly it's a murky area!)
 * Just to add though that when you switch it back, if you need to refer to the plot of land as something (ie. what TYPE of land it is), then it should be called a "park" or a "conservation area" or a "section of Table Mountain National Park". Those terms are all correct. Obviously it shouldn't be referred to as a "forest", just as it shouldn't be referred to as a "private nature reserve", "game park" or any other defined terms that would be incorrect. Thanks again, for being reasonable! Let me know if I can lend a hand with any of the re-writing, once you've reverted the article name . S Molteno (talk) 12:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem S Molteno, I've done the move and made some updates. Zaian (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Yoco
Hello, i created an article about Yoco, a Cape Town based company. I think it meets criteria of notabilty to be in Wikipedia, but it was unfortunately put as article for deletion. Can you please give your opinion as an experienced contributor in South-Africa related articles? Articles for deletion/Yoco Technologies Thank you in advance. MathieuPaul1977 (talk) 08:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Rondebosch Fountain
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:01, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on getting this article into the DYK section of the main page. Great to see it there! --Discott (talk) 07:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks Discott! Zaian (talk) 08:13, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

A year ago, you were recipient no. 2173 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC) Please help watch tomorrow's TFA about the beginning of scouting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

About your long standing edit on Robert Sobukwe's wiki page
I have found a potential error on the Robert Sobukwe Wikipedia page, that I have traced back to an edit by you on 16:51, 19 January 2007. The last sentence under Internment states "This procedure became known as the 'Sobukwe clause' and went on for a further three years." I wanted a bit of context seeing as you are a frequent Wikipedia editor. I believe that what is being said here is that; "Sobukwe was kept on Robben Island, due to this clause, for another 3 years." If that is the case then it would be factually incorrect as he was on Robben Island for another 6 years. I wish to know if this was an error on your part that I may correct or if there is a different meaning I missed. A potential meaning that you might have indented (that is more clearly stated in today's version of the Wikipedia page) is that; "The last extension to Sobukwe's sentence was made 3 years later." I do not know if this is true or false. Could you please let me know what you intended and which of one the citations proves it.

I do not know how to properly contact people over Wikipedia so I chose this method. If this is the wrong method please let me know how to properly communicate in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biased White Harambe (talk • contribs) 10:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a good way to contact a Wikipedia user. It's no problem to change my 2007 edit if you have a citation. Thanks for improving this. Zaian (talk) 07:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your complete removal of Jacob Zuma's political positions
Is there any reason that you chose to remove the entire section related to the political positions of a President rather than clean up what wasn't relevant? Reelix (talk) 22:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I dug around a bit and found the edit you're talking about - something I deleted a couple of years ago. From the edit summary, I thought it was a dumping ground that didn't contain anything worth the effort of cleaning up. If you have a different opinion, go for it. Zaian (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyright notice on Minecraft
I notice you changed the licence on File:Minecraft Logo-en.svg back to fair use. The Minecraft logo almost certainly falls under the threshold of originality because it is just text, which is why I changed it to public domain in the first place.--Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 13:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

One thing you should know about me is that I am against copyright law and I believe in a utopian world where copyright laws are absent. However, this doesn’t mean that I am just changing the licences on all images to public domain. I am only changing licensing of images that I believe are ineligible for copyright protection (e.g. too simple). I am also not against free licences. I also support the International Pirate Party.--Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 14:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Restoring a blanked user talk page
Hi, I noticed that you did - the user was permitted to remove all that, per WP:BLANKING. -- Red rose64 &#x1F98C; (talk) 22:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wasn't aware of that, and I think it's debatably a misguided rule for an IP talk page, because it makes it harder for other editors to see the history of disruptive editing. But I'll go with the policy as it stands. Zaian (talk) 07:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)