User talk:Zaindy/Archive 1

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Re:Thanks
Hi! You are always welcome. Cheers!--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Adoption
Hi, Zaindy87,

I see you're looking to be adopted. I've been around Wikipedia for a while and I can probably answer most questions you might have. I'd be happy to adopt you until you feel you know your way around. Let me know if you'd like my help or if you'd rather wait for a different adopter.

-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 04:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It's official
Hi there Zaindy87,

It's official and I've changed the box.

I think it works best to have a dedicated page for adopter/adoptee conversations and have created one here, you should put that page on your watch list. I have some other adoptees using the page also.

I am on WP off and on throughout the day and usually late into the night (I'm currently in GMT-8) so I should be able to respond pretty quickly when you have a question. I will probably look over your user page, talk page and contributions now and then just to see how you are doing but otherwise I'll wait for you to ask questions. Fire away!-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 09:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Edit review and welcome to Adopt a User
Hi There Zaindy87,

Welcome to the Adopt-a-User program!

I did an informal review of your user page, talk page and edit history to get an idea of your interests and experience on Wikipedia. Here are my comments.

You obviously have an interest in Pakistan! Three years ago I stayed in Pakistan for a much needed break after a two week bus trip across Turkey. We flew into Islamabad and although we were definitely budget travellers we stayed in a very fancy hotel and ate fruit, drank tea and spent hours in the bathtub recovering from our journey and preparing to cross India by train. I would love to return there for a longer visit in the future!

You have made many great additions to articles on Wikipedia. Thankyou! I read the diffs on several dozen and was impressed that you made changes to improve clarity and grammer and to make articles sound more neutral in point of view.

I have only two minor criticisms to make. Firstly, it is good to always use an edit summary, it helps other users track changes to and article and also helps in fighting vandalism. You can read more about this here. Even if you just put, 'typo,' or 'grammer fixed' it will be appreciated by other users. The edit summaries you did make are very helpful as they explain your major edits very well.

The other thing I noticed is that you have only one edit on a talk page! It is a good idea when making large changes or changes that might be disputed by other users to leave a note on the article's talk page so other users will know what you are thinking. It is also a good way to get acquainted with users who share your interests. The recent edit you made, adding the 'fact' tag to the claim that Musharraf perhaps staged the assasination attempt is an example of this. When you see something like this, tag it and mention it on the talk page.

You might also consider joining Wikipedia Project:Pakistan, go to the project page and see if you would like to help them with improving Wikipedia's articles on Pakistan. Again, a good way to get to know other users who share your interests.

Alrighty then. I have created a talk page for us, you can access it by going here and clicking on your user name at the top of the page. I will put a copy of this message there. I am on WP throughout the day and should be able to answer any questions you might have. -- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 07:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak notice
Hi there Zaindy87,

I will be on break for a week while travelling to Saint Paul Island, Alaska. I hope all is going well! If you need help while I am offwiki please go to the WP:ADOPT talk page. Cheers!-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 18:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army
Thanks for mentioning that. Apparently there is a user, trueblood786, who has been vandalizing the page. He inserted this misinformation on the page and apparently I missed it. Thanks for pointing it out. Mercenary2k 04:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

conscription
user mercenary2k is lying, if you look at the following edit, he is the one that put the conscription part in the article but than blames it on me. Maybe this user does not realize that all edits are kept on record.

Revision as of 20:15, June 21, 2007 (edit) Mercenary2k (Talk | contribs) (rvv vandalism....) ← Older edit Revision as of 20:20, June 21, 2007 (edit) (undo) Mercenary2k (Talk | contribs) m (rvv) Newer edit →

trueblood 04:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

trueblood 04:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hawker Fury
I reverted your changes to the Hawker Fury article because Pakistan actually operated the Hawker Sea Fury monoplane - a completly different aircraft than the Hawker Fury biplane, which Pakistan has never operated. Pakistani operation of the Sea Fury is already mentioned in the Sea Fury article. Nigel Ish 14:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army
Dont you think it relevant that the surrender of Pakistan Army in East Pakistan be included as a highlight of this army

75.14.214.74 17:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * See my comment on the user Trueblood786's talk page.Zaindy87 18:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice Pictures
Good job with the pictures Zaindy87 at the Indo Pak war of 1965 Mercenary2k 19:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Salamz
Thanks for your comments.

I am not actually mediating this issue, although I was requested by trueblood786 to do so.

I must state here that upon looking at his edits and comments on other articles, your claim to his propoganda maybe tenable and therefore I will request him to calm down and engage more appropriately. The rest will be up to him, otherwise wiki is competent in dealing with propogandists etc.

--Raja 23:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army
I am not sure why you consider it vandalism when the facts that I put forward are facts. In truth the article did not have the correct treaties nor did it give the proper coups, therefore it seems to me that if the Army keeps on overthrowing the elected governments, than the sub headings should not be considered vandalism but are proper.

In reference to the Parliment building, I know for a fact that the white building is the Parliment building and I know the building that the ISI is in. My own relatives were DG of ISI so I know the facts.

If you look on Google Earth you can see the Parliment building it is on constition avenue. I think you are misconstruing my edits as anti Pakistan. My family fought for Pakistan and my family fought in every war for Pakistan, so anything I say may be negative if you dont like critism of Pakistan Army but the facts are the facts.

The Army is the reason that Pakistan today has 5 hour brown outs, high prices, terrorism and all the other ills. If the current democracy movement suceeds than there is hope for Pakistan.

So I hope you wont take my comments as negative but rather the truth. In fact I hope if the truth is told about Pakistan Army and its intelligence services which have kidnapped innocent people and sold Pakistanis to Intelligence services for cash, (this has been confirmed by the Supreme Court of Pakistan.) Maybe if the Army would do its Army duties than Pakistan would be better protected. So dont take my comments as anti Pakistan

trueblood 02:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Issue on images
The Indian war images in the 65 war are all in the public domain released by the officer himself and it specifically says so. On the other hand the images you have uploaded are clearly not and falls smack under copyvio. So it was a simple case of fair use abuse, especially when 1-2 photos about Pakistan Army already exists. You claim that there are "plenty" of pics in other ind-pak articles. in 47 war there are 2 pics and in 71 war, except one surrender photo - which is a well known famous photo - there are no images on the war scenes. So don't try to sound as if I'm uploading tons of photos or that I have "a desire to prevent pictures depicting Pakistani victories." which is ridiculous because 65 war was a stalemate. So please adhere to WP policies on images; see "All works are copyrighted unless either they fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed." from Copyrights. Idleguy 03:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I will nominate them for deletion and it appears you have also violated other policies like Civility by starting to be rude by mocking me with like "Don't act like a hotshot admin." etc. You do not fully know of the SSG issue, which was a case of copyright violation by the anon, not too dissimilar to your case, and the admin made an error assuming that it was a general revert war. There was never a case of any vandalism by anyone and the article stands protected after anon's edits were removed. So atleast know the full details. Idleguy 03:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Concerning your contribution, Image:Paktroops65.jpg, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://ispr.gov.pk/Multimedia/1965/pages/7%20a_jpg.htm. As a copyright violation, Image:Paktroops65.jpg appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Image:Paktroops65.jpg has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:


 * If you have permission from the author, leave a message explaining the details at Talk:Image:Paktroops65.jpg and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Requesting copyright permission for instructions.
 * If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk:Image:Paktroops65.jpg with a link to where we can find that note.
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However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. -- Idleguy 03:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army
I have left you a few messages so we can discuss the additions that I make and you delete, at least discuss the issue before you delete the picture of Niazi signing the surrender articles, in fact that is a very important paart of Pakistan Army history as this army lost half its country.

trueblood 03:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation in Image:65warpaktanks.jpg
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If you keep uploading copyright, you will be blocked. Jimfbleak 16:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You will appreciate that the images were deleted because I agreed with Idleguy's assessment, not because they were from a Pakistani source. The ideal would be for the copyright owners to put on their website that the images can be used under the GFDL licence, since if they allow you to post them, obviously they are available to anyone else under the same provision. Let me think about the best way to document if they are not prepared to do that - as your question implies, just saying you have permission may not be seen as adequate. I'll get back to you later. Jimfbleak 05:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, the following are the recommended information and procedures for using copyright material.


 * Linking_to_copyrighted_works
 * Request_for_permission
 * Successful_requests_for_permission


 * Good luck, Jimfbleak 05:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

just in case you've misunderstood, the three photos pertaining to Indian army in 65 war article were uploaded by an officer's relative specifically under public domain. As for other images, I'm actively deleting several images including the assal uttar image among others. In fact unless there is a strong case for fair use I've stopped uploading images for most articles. Images like Image:Jallianwallah.jpg or Image:Multanregiment.jpg or other images were uploaded only because their copyrights had expired, i.e. more than 60-75 years. That is the reason I uploaded just one Pakistani photo on the 65 war under fair use since the article already had lots of free to use images and there I'm sure someone will get a couple of pak images under a free to use license. If you look in my talk page many of my past images are also being deleted. Idleguy 09:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:PakF-104s.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:PakF-104s.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:


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Re:History of Balochistan
Hello Thanks for notifying me about word "forcely" I have changed that word, I hope you can find new word in English language. I am agree with you ,regarding one thing this is wikipedia is not place where you can show your bias .if you remove that word again i will keep it again to balance article. You can read Daily Kawish articles (September edition regretting this issue by author Zulfiqar, as new paper do not keep much of there data so online sources are hard to find. ).Khalidkhoso 11:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There are many things in article those are without source. I will clean those,soon.Khalidkhoso 11:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

DC Meetup notice
Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Wikipedia meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians_in_Virginia, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices \(like this one\), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page.--Gmaxwell 22:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army
Dear Zaindys

The photograph of Pakistan Army surrendering in E. Pakistan is a relevant part of Pakistan Army. I understand you are an undergraduate student so are quite emotional, but changing history does not do anygood to anyone. As you are aware, Pakistan is going through a lot now because of military rule, which has almost led the country to civil war. Maybe if more people knew about what this Army has done it would change.

Thanks

trueblood 19:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

PAF images
I see that you have restored most/all images to the PAF page. Thanks. But, most of these images need a properly detailed and formatted image description. It should include a summary section (describing the image like a caption) which is to include copyright information and source information in bullet points, a license section which should have only one license (i.e. not PD and GFDL at the same time), and a fair use rationale section which should comply to fair use criterion of the WP policies. The image patrollers are pretty keen on their demands and I had a lot of images lost due to their strict adherence to guidelines. Cheers. Aditya (talk • contribs) 17:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Images
I have noticed that the valuable images you are uploading or putting into articles are coming under a lot of fire. I think a lot of that trouble can be avoided by following policies and and guidelines to the last dot. I can suggest you a very good idea - put all of those images into your watchlist, and whenever any dispute arises, let a few concerned editors know, so that a number of editors can try and address any issue that those face. I am willing to volunteer in the process. But, for guarding the images I have bit overlong watchlist already and I can't possible address a lot of issues without active participation of the uploader. Cheers. Aditya (talk • contribs) 03:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

DC meetup #3
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Re: F-16A
Hello Waqas!

One of your F-16 photos is still on the Pakistan Air Force page. I'd replaced the other one with a better quality shot of F-16s before. I want to ask your permission to upgrade your F-16A photograph to a better quality picture, as I have taken the liberty to edit the picture to make it a higher quality shot.

Check it out here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/merlinstar87/Flight%20Simulator%20Screenshots/PAF_F-16A_Lahore.jpg?t=1182975335

As you can see, this is much brighter than the version currently uploaded on Wiki. If you allow me to, I will update the picture. It will benifit all of us.

Thanks! Zaindy87 20:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Salam. I do realize that the image of F-16 I had uploaded was low-quality, the reason was that the other images were removed because of the copyright issue and there was no image at that page at that time. If you find better images with proper copyright status, feel free to replace the image. Thanks! User:Waqas.usman (Talk) 05:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Bhutto assassination pic
OK, I just had a look at your upload and it does seem to be of better quality. The reason why my upload was of poor quality was because it was taken "as is" from the Daily Mail site. I wasn't aware that it was allowed to "improve" the picture quality aside from shrinking it to fit the low-res criteria, but anyhow it seems you have done a good job with it, congratulations! :)

Perhaps you can do the same with "Bhutto_assasin_2.jpg" and include that in the article too? Notice the spelling mistake in the filename but perhaps you can improve on that as well. Ekantik talk 04:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Nikkul on Pakistan
I can see from the article talk page that you were engaged in a debate with User:Nikkul. Please be aware of User:Nikkul who is deleting the mention of foreign relations in introduction paragraph willy nilly from country-pages which border India. He did it in People's Republic of China page, please see the edit history of that article. He was engaged in a debate on this in Talk:People's Republic of China. He also added the Tank Man image in PRC page which draw a bad image for PRC. But he ultimately failed in doing so. Now he has come in Pakistan page and continuously deleting the sentence "Pakistan was a founding member of the OIC, SAARC, D8 and ECO. It is also a member of the UN, WTO, G33, G77 and is a nuclear power" from the lead. He also edited the Infobox Country in Pakistan page and changed the Government type from "Islamic Republic" to "Military dictatorship" (see this ). If you check the contributions of User:Nikkul, you will be able to understand easily the motivations behind such edits. This User:Nikkul was also blocked once for sockpuppeteering,. I have readded the sentence deleted by him for now. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)