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Hi Coffeepusher, and thanks for the welcome - I don't have a conflict of interest, just an interest in maintaining and representing both sides of the issue; I hadn't paid close attention to what you were reverting (poorly referenced material), so I reverted, looking closer those paragraphs definitely don't belong.

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Criticism edit on Steven Hassan
Howdy Zambelo. I had to revert your edit to Steven Hassan because the source fails wikipedia's sourcing guidelines. Especially in biographies of living persons we have to be careful that anything critical of the individual is properly sourced and would stand up to scrutiny. While I do understand that the criticism came from a certified counselor, the sourcing guidelines require that it comes from a peer/editor reviewed source and blogs/self published web pages don't qualify. I'm sorry for the confusion. Cheers! Coffeepusher (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Your vandalism in Jim Jones article
Why you removed link to O'Connor?. Stop it please.190.79.153.106 (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * forgive the intrusion Zambelo, but your friend has incorrectly identified your edit as vandalism, and I think the mistake should be noted. Your friend should be careful not to call something vandalism which is obviously not vandalism.  I agree that the source identified, O'Connor (2009) doesn't contain the quote, so your friend should probably find a better source for the statement.  Cheers! Coffeepusher (talk) 15:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Blanking of cited material
Please stop blanking cited statements in articles. You have not demonstrated consensus for amending or excluding cited information prior to unilaterally removing. Including referenced material is much more constructive than blanking properly cited statements, whichis seen as tendentious. Your absolute distaste for Hassan is abundantly clear, however, that need not color your edits or behavior. &bull; Astynax talk 21:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Army report debunks brainwashing of American POW
Hi, Zambelo. The mind control article currently has a section dedicated to an Army report that supposedly debunks the idea that American POWs were brainwashed. I've never been able to verify the existence of this report. I was wondering if you have ever come across it in your research. Thanks, -Nietzsche123 (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nietzsche123, I hadn't, but I do now have access to it, so I can verify it exists. Zambelo (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I just added below an invitation to Zambello to comment on a quote he took from the report, and noticed this. The paper version of the report can be found in federal depository libraries; the one I read came from the University of Virginia law library. Pleased that Zambello found an online version. In future perhaps questions about citations may best be addressed on the talk page for the article in question? ElijahBosley  (talk &#9758;)  20:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Mind control talk page
I added a question about some text I believe you may have added to the mind control page, regarding a quote out of an army report. I left the text in the article, despite my reservations about whether it breaks up the flow of the paragraphs where it has been interjected. I thought you might first like to weigh in. ElijahBosley (talk &#9758;)  20:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Merge?
Hi Zambelo. I've suggested merging Exit counseling into Deprogramming since it seems to be mainly notable as a sub-type of that. You are one of the few people still involved with the article. Kitfoxxe (talk) 05:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Category:Cult related terms and concepts
Hi Zambelo. I would appreciate your input as a concerned editor at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 January 6. Helen Online  18:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder
I will not dispute your objection to "suspect" (although a mere say-so on a hostile website hardly balances out a research paper), but in any event I moved the material back to the footnote because it duplicates something already mentioned in the section and there is consensus for the section to be pruned. Thanks Ridiculus mus (talk) 01:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Your RfC
Your RfC about the Waco siege failed. It wasn't even formatted properly. Your request for mediation failed. There was no consensus for this version you keep trying to force into the article. Who else supports the version you're putting in? You're clearly not being honest with yourself. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:35, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The RFC was more in regards to your behaviour, mischaracterisations and general lack of good faith. It failed because I hadn't formatted it correctly, and it therefore lacked visibility. The content has been changed since the original implementation, and has also moved to another section. You have yet to bring a valid reason for the content not to be in the article, despite it being relevant and referenced with high quality references. If you want to content gone, the onus is on you to prove that it has no place in the article. Until then, academic, media and state sources say otherwise. Zambelo ; talk 01:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * And there is your problem. RfC aren't for that purpose. I will ask one more time: Who else is supporting this version? Be specific. You claim there is support. Who is it? Niteshift36 (talk) 01:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

The references speak for themselves. The onus is on you to disprove the content. Zambelo ; talk 01:38, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No, you've claimed that you have consensus and that "others" have assisted in creating this version. I will ask for the last time who else agreed to this version. And yes, your refusal (inability) to provide that answer will be used at the appropriate noticeboard. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Look at the article history. Good luck with the appropriate noticeboard. Zambelo ; talk 07:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The edit history doesn't establish a consensus. The matter was discussed. A couple of people expressed a position that possibly a sentence or two could be included. Some not at all. Nobody supported all the material you're forcing in. Nobody. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Well certainly not you. The fact is the RFC failed because of visibility. More input is needed - but the fact remains that the content is relevant, is referenced, and if you want to dispute it you should really provide a real reason, which you have failed time and time again to provide. The responsibility lies with you to discover why, if at all, the content doesn't belong in the article. If you really want the content gone, then please do post this to the appropriate noticeboard, I would love to see this resolved, one way or the other. In the meantime, the content stays. Zambelo ; talk 01:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * No, challenged content doesn't "stay in the meantime". The fact that you say more input is needed is evidence that there is no consensus. Don't link to essays about ownership when you are exhibiting ownership issues in your edits. I can show editors that do NOT agree with the version you're forcing into the article. You can't show anyone supporting it. Guess who is trying playing the ownership game friend? Niteshift36 (talk) 12:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

More input is needed, because you have refused to give any reasonable reason for verifiable, referenced and relevant content to be removed. You in fact offered no input on how it could be improved, and immediately sought to have the content removed. Again, the onus is on you to show the content doesn't belong. Zambelo ; talk 12:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You keep repeating that lie that no input was given. It was, by more than one editor opposing it. You just don't like it. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:49, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The only input given was that the content didn't belong in the prelude. Guess what? It is no longer in the prelude. Earlier input saying the content was too long was also implemented. It seems only you have refused input, aggressively and sarcastically dismissing the input from Woodshed, and refusing mediation. This while still not giving any reason for the content to be removed. Zambelo ; talk 20:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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Mind control ref edit

 * Hi Zambelo. You seem to have added a 'malformed' ref. See the diff and look at the Lingua Franca ref, № 39 in the references section. You gave no edit summary to describe what you did at all.


 * The ref you added had no title. It also had "title={{cite web |url= |title=", that's an extraneous "{{cite web", "|url=" and "|title =".
 * Archived sources also require some extra fields such as 'archivedate=', and 'archiveurl=', as well as the standard 'url='.


 * The full ref now, looks like this:
 * {{Green| }}
 * This diff here (past Line 44:) shows the changes required for the ref to 'work' properly. Just FYI. :-) --220  of  {{sup|Borg}} 13:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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You removed a sourced edit without explanation
Hello, you removed this edit without explanation. This can be seen as vandalism. Please explain on the talk pages and in the edit summary next time. Milliongoldcoinpoint (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * You need to relax. Zambelo ; talk 15:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No, you need to be a collaborative editor and reply to the reasonable request. Always provide an edit summary, and don't mark edits as minor edits when they aren't. In fact it's never necessary to mark an edit as minor. -- Brangifer (talk) 16:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I reverted it because his first edit had an edit summary "sham" and his second carelessly plonked a large section of text down onto the article (which I then later went to clean up) - to the casual browser, these edits look disruptive, hence the revert, without a summary. He then came here and accused me of vandalism, after his disruptive edits. Ok. Zambelo ; talk 00:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand your reasoning. It is the lack of an edit summary and your dismissive tone that are the reasons for my comment. I see that you still make many edits without edit summaries. Please try to improve on that front. There are statistics over use of edit summaries, and your record isn't good. I suspect you wish to build a good reputation here, and this is just part of it. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are so concerned, but a lot of the type of edits I do don't require an edit summary - for instance, I do a lot of cleaning work involving removing old content tagged with dated tags/templates, or cleaning up articles that have had no input for years. I don't really care about reputation, frankly. My edits speak for themselves. Zambelo ; talk 03:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you know what happened to the article? Milliongoldcoinpoint is replacing sourced text with OR and using poor sources. See Talk:Acupuncture and Talk:Acupuncture for a couple of current problems.  QuackGuru  ( talk ) 18:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that. A comment still deserves a decent reply, and reverts and edits need edit summaries. -- Brangifer (talk) 18:09, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The editor makes a lot of mistakes. Other editors are trying to fix the problems You are aware of that but who is going to fix the ongoing problems? There is a lot of funny things happening to the article. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 18:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The account that added the outdated information to the page is indef-blocked. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 03:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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A person is notable regardless of his/her as-yet unpublished article on WIkipedia. The individuals in question are mentioned in the articles about the groups they belong in, and as such they are verifiable and also belong to the category of people who Oppose NRMs. I don't have an issue with removing the redlinks, but I do with the removal of the names, as they are integral to the groups they comprise. Perhaps you could create a RFC for this issue, but until then the names that are verifiable from their parent articles should remain. Zambelo ; talk 00:00, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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It is most certainly religious discrimination - the very movement relies on this discrimination between approved Christian groups and other religions. Zambelo ; talk 00:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * According to Religious discrimination that is "when adherents of different religions (or denominations) are treated unequally, either before the law or in institutional settings such as employment or housing." Editor2020 00:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The institution here would be the church collective, religious institutions (often religious corporations) that treat other religious beliefs unequally. Zambelo ; talk 00:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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Christian countercult movement
Hello, you're right that Christian countercult movement is about converting members of New Religious Movements, but it's not about discrimination or persecution. Please read Discrimination and Persecution if you want to know more about these both concepts. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

They define cults as any group not adhering to their definition of christianity (descrimination) and they actively seek to forcibly convert members of other religions (persecution). This is the purpose and mission of the CCM.

Persecution: hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs; oppression

Descrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex: victims of racial discrimination | discrimination against homosexuals

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 * Exactly, defining is not unjust treating, it's just categorizing. And there is nothing in the article about forcible conversion. So neither discrimination nor persecution is the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Reverted again
Zambelo,

I just reverted you again on Opposition to NRMs template. I saw your edit summary, problem is, the people you're trying to add in don't have articles (they're redlinked) and without articles and reliable sources that indicate they're opposed to NRMs, they can't be added in per BLP. If you can supply reliable references that say they're opposed to NRM's, then I can't very well argue BLP, right ? KoshVorlon  Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj 16:31, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

They belong to the mentioned anti-cult groups, and so are opposed to NRMs... The articles on these groups mention these names with references. Zambelo ; talk 16:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

No, you've put people's name in, it's those name that I removed per BLP (No article, so no references ). Without references they cannot stay per BLP. KoshVorlon  Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj

The references for those names are found in the articles for the groups. So they are referenced, per BLP. Zambelo ; talk 16:49, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Men's Rights Page
Be careful on the reverts on the Men's Rights page, there is a 1RR rule in place, ie no more than 1 revert per 24 hrs. I'd hate to see you blocked, your voice is important in the discussion. CSDarrow (talk) 02:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah it's clear that the article has a lot of issues, and that there are people with agendas actively trying to impose their view on it - I'll keep it low key and to the talk page for now :) Zambelo ; talk 04:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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Landmark Worldwide
Hello! I noted that you re-added New Religious Movement to the Landmark Worldwide article. I had removed that categorization as it was found in this RfC that the company (or at least the sources) does not meet the criteria for an NRM. Please take a look, and remove the NRM characterisation if you agree with my understanding of the RfC. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I see your reasoning, however the context in the article is that Landmark Worldwide had been characterised as an NRM, by various people. So the statement isn't that Landmark is an NRM, but rather that it has been characterised as such. Zambelo ; talk 03:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah. I see that now, thank you! --Tgeairn (talk) 03:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Michael Langone, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Can't remove a "like resume" tag without discussion--certainly not if in the same edits you turn it back into what is blatantly a resume. Drmies (talk) 23:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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You were mentioned
Zambelo, you're mentioned on this page, specifically the NRM template you keep adding names back into. You need to stop, per BLP , unless you can supply reliable sources for your allegations. It's a violation of BLP  to do otherwise. Y0u've been told this both by myself and Free Range Frog, who's a sysop. You can be blocked if you refuse to comply. KoshVorlon  Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj 16:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Your were mentioned here, too
Zambelo,

You were mentioned here. This is in regard to your frequent BLP violating editing of this template. I've proposed a TBAN as this is your third time doing this, you were warned three times by yourself, myself and a third editor. I hate to propose this, however, BLP is serious business, even so, your input is requested. KoshVorlon  Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj 17:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

BLP
I noticed this edit. Please don't make any more edits like that unless you have discussed and obtained a strong consensus to do so. --John (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

There was no discussion, and All I was doing was reverting the deletions. These should be discussed, not the existing template. If you have concerns, bring them to the talk page, by all means. Zambelo ; talk 20:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Hi Stefan2, this is an archive from a wikipedia page. No copyright issue. Zambelo ; talk 20:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It is a duplicate of a Wikipedia page. Without knowing which page it is, it is impossible to satisfy the licensing requirements. Therefore, the page is a copyright violation. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The article was "Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous", which currently no longer exists. Zambelo ; talk 21:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The revision history does not appear to be available there. You must provide a place where the original revision history is available for inspection. Otherwise, it is not possible to fix this. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Zambelo, the status of User:Zambelo/VAPNG is confusing. Due to the template that is on it now, it will probably be deleted soon. I understand that the revision history is still sitting under the redirect at Voyage au pays des nouveaux gourous. Thus, you can always get the material again if you need to work on it. In my opinion the simplest option is to let this page be deleted. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

List of deprogrammers
I have reverted your latest edit to the List of deprogrammers article - it is absolutely clear that there is a consensus that the names you have been adding lack the necessary sources to establish their notability, and therefore their inclusion is a violation of WP:BLP policy. Consider this a final warning - if you add these names again without establishing a clear consensus for their inclusion, I shall raise the matter at WP:ANI, where I shall call for you to be topic-banned from all articles relating to cults, to new religious movements, and to 'deprogramming'. WP:BLP policy is not open to negotiation, and your refusal to listen to the multiple experienced contributors who have advised you regarding this matter can only ever have one result. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

The issue was with the references; I added new references: have a look. Zambelo ; talk 03:00, 4 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello! Please note that I have restructured the layout of the RfC at List of deprogrammers. Please review and make certain your comments are in the intended section(s). Thank you, Tgeairn (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you. Zambelo ; talk 02:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, could you point me to where I can appeal this ban? Zambelo ; talk 11:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


 * WP:UNBAN. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2014
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Guangzhou. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for violating your topic ban, as you did at Landmark Education litigation. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. v/r - TP 20:39, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you are the one failing to understand this. Zambelo ; talk 09:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Topic ban violation
This would also constitute a violation of your topic ban. To reiterate: you are not allowed to discuss new religious movements - under whose banner Landmark Worldwide is included - anywhere on Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲 水 09:59, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm trying to ascertain whether or not it is an NRM - so that I can or cannot comment on it. The discussion was in relation to this, not the organization itself. Zambelo ; talk 11:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Whether it is or isn't doesn't actually matter - the fact is that it has been discussed as one, and therefore falls under the auspices of your topic ban. An affirmative conclusion to the discussion is not required; you are not allowed to edit areas that relate to NRMs, not simply articles about NRMs. Yunshui 雲 水 11:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. Zambelo ; talk 11:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Yes, cruft
Zambelo, I think you need to stop following me around, especially if, as you seem to prove almost daily, you don't know that much about writing an encyclopedia. I submit the history of Guangzhou as evidence as well, and Articles for deletion/Jani Schofield, where you provided a nonsense rationale on an article you had never edited, right after my well-formed and well-argued comment. I appreciate that you're following my edits and keeping an eye on my talk page, but I was hoping you'd learn something from it. Drmies (talk) 21:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's important to keep an eye on editors which have a history of POV-pushing and bypassing due process. And indeed, this is what I encountered. Zambelo ; talk 06:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Doctor, I think your time spend here is wasted. --Randykitty (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Again, you too have a history of bypassing due process - in fact, you have done this in conjunction with Drmies. Zambelo ; talk 06:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Editors, especially admins, bypassing due process is a very serious thing that cannot be allowed to stand. I think you have two options: 1/ File your evidence at ANI so that the perpetrators can be blocked and desyssopped ASAP. 2/ Stop making accusations that you cannot back up. Of course, given your recent actions and your current postings at ArbCom, a permanent ban, which in practice will default to enforcing #2, is becoming ever more probable. --Randykitty (talk) 08:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I provided evidence at ArbCom of your, Drmies and Tgeairns' involvement in bypassing due process. That was me backing up my accusations. If I file my ecidence over at ANI, I have no doubt that you three will again resort to simply attacking my character instead of addressing the issue, so I won't do that. The Arbcom filing is in relation to Landmark Worldwide and your activities surrounding that article - if you feel that your name needs to be vindicated, present my accusations in an ANI filling yourself, if you can control yourself and just present the fact without resorting to attacking my character.  Zambelo ; talk 08:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I like your sense of humor! --Randykitty (talk) 08:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Your user page
I've deleted it per WP:ATTACK. You are not allowed to keep references to other users around as a badge of shame. If you need a temporary sandbox to write up evidence for a dispute process, use your user sandbox for that. If you need any material from any revision of your user page, just let me know and I can provide it to you. --John (talk) 17:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom evidence
A warning to both Andy and Zambelo; while almost by definition, we do not get to an Arbcom case without some issues between editors, the evidence page is for the documentation of evidence, it isn't a forum for back and forth sniping.

Some of what has been posted is not in the spirit desired, whether it rises to the level that it requires removal is something I need to look into, but future additions by both should be evidence—factual assertions about behavior backed up by diffs, not pot shots or unsubstantiated inferences about motives. For the arbitration committee -- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for rewrite.
I am a clerk for the Arbitration Committee, and have the responsibility of making sure that Case pages are edited appropriately.

I would like you to rewrite your evidence for the Landmark Worldwide case. The diffs are:
 * here
 * and here

It is understood that you will be identifying behavior which is problematic. However, it is possible to do so without imputing motives. It is also necessary to provide diffs supporting your claims.

For example, you can cite diffs identifying attempts to remove articles, without concluding that such attempts were "vindictive". You can cite diffs detailing the removal of articles without characterizing such removal as "destructive".

I'll also note with puzzlement, a list of six articles, five of which exist and one of which was deleted. What was the point? If some editors attempted to delete those articles, you should be citing the AfD, otherwise, what is the point?

Terms such as "conspired" are extremely strong, tendentious words. We expect that editors may be drawn to similar articles and may hold similar opinions about them. That does not necessarily mean that the editors were "conspiring". If you do not have citable evidence of such conspiring, you ought to remove it, as such a claim without evidence is a personal attack, and may result in actions against you.

I understand you may feel that other editors have acted against you, but you can itemize the evidence to be reviewed without using such wording.

You identified "forum shopping" as an issue, but did not cite any evidence. Please cite the evidence, or remove the claim from the evidence.

I do have the authority to remove your statement and ask you to start over, but I would prefer that you make the changes yourself. -- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your suggestions - the first six articles were all nominated for deletion, and it was only because I intervened and provided more secondary sources that they weren't. I used the word 'conspiring' because there is a strong suggestion that the editors were acting in a POV-pushing way: for instance, the first articles to be nominated for deletion were all related to the Voyage au Pays des Nouveaux Gourous article which they were pushing to have deleted, even when new references were found and implemented. They then consistently teamed up to naminate the other articles I listed for deletion, and so forced the issue, rather than waiting for neutral outside commentary (there was also never any prior discussion before the nominations.)

The reason that I am now topic-banned from edition NRM-related articles is that I grated in some nerves - but consider the fact that I was attempting to save articles from certain and improper deletion - one editor against three who were determined to have these articles deleted.

The forum shopping issue was brought up by another editor in the original filing - I'll find the link, but remove in the meanwhile. I'll rewrite the first diff you listed, however I think the second one represents the issue factually. Andy the Grump has been following me around for the past two weeks, first pushing for my topic ban (successfully) and now attempting to have me banned from editing altogether - his behaviour can only be described as vindictive and mean-spirited.

Please let me know your thoughts, Zambelo ; talk 08:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The evidence is far more extensive than that you have "edited a few articles in common with another editor". The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, please provide this "evidence". JamesBWatson. Zambelo ; talk 00:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Giving you a full account of how you gave yourself away would, no doubt, be very helpful to you, as it would enable you to avoid the same mistakes again. However, I have no intention of doing so, as it would make my job, and that of other administrators, more difficult. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * What it looks like to me is that you don't have any evidence. And that you've banned me despite this, in an abuse of your administrative powers. Supply the proof or allow another moderator with more experience handle the job. Zambelo ; talk 20:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request #2
I would like to request unblocking again. The original admin is refusing to provide a valid reason or evidence for the block - what I can surmise, going on the original filing for my banning is that the only 'evidence' provided is that I've edited articles in common with another editor. I have explained why this is (the vast majority are NRM-related, which is primarily the area I was active in) - and I had used that user's edit history to discover new and neglected NRM articles.

On of the examples cited was that I edited the Sahaja Yoga article. If you look closer at sfacets' edit behaviour, you will notice that he/she clearly had a bias in regards to Sahaja Yoga, whereas, if you inspect my edits, you will notice that I have removed a large portion of that user's edits, and streamlined the article.

Sahaja Yoga was just one of the articles I noticed on Sfacet's edit history - I added a bunch of them to my watch list, which is why I intervened a few times in articles such as Pune or Bohemia. The other overlaps can be explained by the fact that NRM-related articles are a niche subject, and there simply aren't that many of them - of course my edits would have overlapped with another user who was at one time active within this niche.

If you were to look at other editors active at the time that sfacets was editing within the NRM-sphere, such as User:Smee, I have no doubt my edits would heavily overlap with this user's as well.

This is pretty flimsy evidence, and circumstantial at best.

Zambelo ; talk 01:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You were told that there is evidence against you that has not been disclosed to you. The undisclosed evidence was determined to be conclusive. Your unblock request only scratches the surface; it does not address the conclusive evidence. You cannot challenge this evidence because you don't know what it is. I don't think your unblock request will work. Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you see how this could be problematic? It's like sentencing someone for a crime without process or a chance to defend themselves. I didn't know WIkipedia was Guantanamo Bay. Zambelo ; talk 03:00, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I've explained this, above. I've added a whole bunch of articles from this user's edit history, and have done the same for other users as well. Quacks like a duck, is a goose. Zambelo ; talk 11:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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