User talk:Zanhe/2013

Leroy L. Chang
Many thanks for these edits. I had a brief look at zh:张立纲. Though it looks short, there is a mention of a Leslie T. Chang, but I'm not sure what the context is there. Would you be able to help with anything useful from that article and its sources? Anything substantial is probably best left at the article talk page, where I will (eventually) be putting some notes on possible future expansions of the article. Carcharoth (talk) 00:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry I've been very busy lately in real life and haven't had time to improve the article. Will try to get back to it hopefully in a few days. -Zanhe (talk) 11:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the additional edits and information added there (I've only just had time to look). I did remove the link placed on his father's name (see here) as that appears to be a different and more famous Zhang Shenfu (who died in 1986 as opposed to 1946). I may try and expand our current one line(!) stub on Zhang Shenfu, as he sounds like an interesting individual. Going back to the other Zhang Shenfu (died 1946), I found an English-language source here, though that seems to be a blog, so maybe a better source is needed. Carcharoth (talk) 01:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting, Zhang Shenfu was a red link when I edited Leroy Chang a few days ago; someone just created the one-line stub yesterday. Anyway, Leroy Chang's father was also a significant person whose death triggered widespread anti-Soviet protests in China. -Zanhe (talk) 04:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Readability
Hello! I am sorry, but I did not understand you very well. How do you think that my edits are not readable?--Miha (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Please click on the diffs such as |this and |this, and try to tell what changes you have made. -Zanhe (talk) 16:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I made some letters capital. I also put some information and closed one bracket.--Miha (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

ITN Credit
-- Jayron  32  17:37, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Anakalang
Thanks for the review. But you have not yes symbol marking acceptance. Pl see.-- Nvvchar . 16:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry about that. Now fixed. -Zanhe (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bayanqolu
Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:21, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Li Jiheng
Carabinieri (talk) 08:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Reeva Steenkamp
I wonder if you can review this nomination again. Two more hooks were added. --George Ho (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. -Zanhe (talk) 12:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Liu Weiping
Nyttend (talk · contribs) 00:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wang Min
Orlady (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Guo Shengkun
Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Zhang Qingwei
Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lou Qinjian
Hello! Your submission of Lou Qinjian at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Chen Quanguo
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Losang Jamcan
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lou Qinjian
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting: Just as I suspected, the Rusticated youth link got even more hits (3,177) than Lou Qinjian (598). And we know that because we used the wrong link for rusticated youth – the page is actually at Rusticated Youth of China! Best, Yoninah (talk) 17:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting indeed. Didn't expect rusticated youth to get 5 times as many hits as the main article. Thanks for your help editing and reviewing the articles. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 00:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN credit
ThaddeusB (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

越嶲
For the record, both of us are correct according to the Chinese Wikipedia under the "pronunciation" section. _dk (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. It's quite probable that it was pronounced something like Yuesui in ancient times, but most modern dictionaries only list the "xi" sound and the modern county is called Yuexi. -Zanhe (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Another Chinese name request
Hi there Zanhe, glad to see you've been keeping busy. Could you add the Mandarin name for Tio Ie Soei? Info is available at footnote 1 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not as busy as you've been :). It's done. -Zanhe (talk) 22:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * LoL. Thanks a lot! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Mapping the Global Economy
Hi Zanhe, I am looking for volunteers to re-create the link below for all 196 countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States The goal of this project is to map out the global economy. Here is the project page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcnabber091 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi Zanhe, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! INeverCry  20:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Zhou Benshun
Hello! Your submission of Zhou Benshun at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  10:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xie Fuzhan
Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hao Peng (PRC)
Hello! Your submission of Hao Peng (PRC) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  21:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

 * Thanks! -Zanhe (talk) 10:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hao Peng (PRC)
The DYK project (nominate) 15:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Zhou Benshun
Orlady (talk) 23:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Du Jiahao
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Liu Hui (politician)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gao Hucheng
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Miao Wei
 Harrias  talk 00:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
— AARON  &bull; TALK   22:07, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kong Anguo
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mei Ze
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lin Tie
The DYK project (nominate) 08:08, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Arunachal Pradesh
You are on 3RR. Please use the talk page. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I've performed three reverts within policy, while citing valid policies. Rao, however, quotes nothing but personal attack. -Zanhe (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fu Sheng (scholar)
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Liu Zihou
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Another Chinese name
Hi Zanhe, hope you're well. Could you add the Chinese name for Phoa Keng Hek? It's available in Suryadinata 1995 and Setyautama. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay. I've been offline for a few days. It's done now. -Zanhe (talk) 20:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks a lot for helping me with these. It always interests me to see how these names (mostly Hokkian in origin) differ from Mandarin. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

sock at Han Chinese and other articles
You may be interested in this report of that user: Sockpuppet investigations/117.90.245.113. --Cold Season (talk) 22:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The "Li (surname)" saga.
Would appreciate your comments here after your recent participation in this discussion. --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:36, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

And another Chinese name
Hi there Zanhe, hope this finds you well. The article Lie Kim Hok made it through FAC (yay!; you did that one quite a while ago). I've got another name I need the Chinese characters for (sourced to Suryadinata): Nio Joe Lan, a journalist and teacher whom I've cited a bit already. Can you help? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on Lie Kim Hok! I'm glad to help any time. -Zanhe (talk) 15:15, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! (I was looking at the Li discussions linked above... eek! That's quite a mess, making ANI look like a petting zoo) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I know, very frustrating. -Zanhe (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the barnstar! It's much appreciated. Best regards,--Typing General (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you very much for your edits to Tan Shaowen.  069952497a  (U-T-C-E) 19:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thank you for creating the article. -Zanhe (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Mychele Trempetich's edits
I have noticed your work on ancient Chinese rulers. Have you run across the mess Mychele Trempetich has made on most of the Xia, Shang and Zhou kings. These articles are ridiculously overlinked (Fa of Xia has links to celebration and inauguration, Why?), containing many unreliable sources from website just found by her google searches (I don't think most of them are just plainly added for the purpose of adding references like referencing a name in an infobox for no apparent reason), and the excessive genealogy that is mentioned on the articles with the subjects' son, grandfather, father, uncle and even more linked and mentioned for no apparent reason, and also she someone thinks it is a good idea to divided an article of a person we only know a few sentences about into sections, and sentence long paragraphs paragraphs. To be honest most of her changes would be better off reverted and restored to it previous unreferenced version than for them to persist as they are. Hope you can do something about this. Oh yeah and also some abominably inaccurate translation on articles like Xie of Xia (His name means "thankful".). --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the notice. I agree with you that Mychele Trempetich's edits are generally not too helpful, but I don't feel they're harmful either. Unfortunately most articles about the early Chinese kings have always been in a sorry state, and undoing her edits will not really make them better. I removed the egregiously wrong "thankful" statement, but it was added by an IP, not by Mychele. It is on my todo list to rewrite all those articles, and I've been gathering academic sources which are not easy to locate. But filling all those big holes in Wikipedia takes a lot of time and I probably won't be able to get to them until many months later. -Zanhe (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually base on my dealings with her on Hawaiian subjects, Mychele has the propensity to use multiple IP addresses usually on articles she has edits in and generally they are written in the same fashion with the observed characteristics I listed above. Good luck with it.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you're most likely right. The IP (93.138.41.148) that made the edit geolocates to Zagreb, which matches her description about herself. -Zanhe (talk) 10:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Yang Rudai
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Gao Hucheng
I wanted to congratulate you on your excellent work in creating and expanding this article. I have nominated this article for Good Article status. Feel free to contribute at the review when it opens. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your nomination. I've never gone through the GA process and am not familiar with the requirements there. But I'll try my best to improve the article. -Zanhe (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Shanghai Tower topping out
Is this ITN-worthy, as being the new tallest nationally? Chinese Wiki has already posted it. GotR Talk 21:14, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it is, as the tallest in China and second tallest in the world, but it's a toss-up. The Shard was on ITN and it's only half the height of Shanghai Tower, but then it's the tallest in the EU. In any case, it's probably worth a try, though the article needs to be updated a bit more before being nominated (the rule of thumb is five sentences). Do you want to do the work? If not, I'll see if I can find some time. -Zanhe (talk) 22:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have updated the article. You may nominate if you wish. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 22:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Nomination ✅. QSL, you have been credited with the bulk (or at least majority) of the updating work. GotR Talk 23:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's really fast, guys. Well done. -Zanhe (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wang Zhongshu
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

You have new mail
E-mail, that is. GotR Talk 00:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't feel I'm qualified to contribute on that subject which I don't know much about. -Zanhe (talk) 22:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tan Qixiang
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Jiang Minkuan
Please see Did you know nominations/Jiang Minkuan for my comments; I believe that there's a problem with the citations. Nyttend (talk) 04:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've fixed the citation problem. Please see nomination page for details. -Zanhe (talk) 17:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I've approved the nomination. I had an additional comment, but it's purely a matter of preference; you should feel free to ignore it, thumb your nose at it, or do anything else that's not a WP:NPA violation :-)  Nyttend (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I actually wasn't aware of the RP template. I've now updated the references. Thanks for your suggestion. Cheers! -Zanhe (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Longxu, not Longwei
Dear Zanhe, sorry, but I have to inform you that Longwei is a wrong reading for 龙圩, the district of Wuzhou city. The character 圩 with the meaning "market", "marketplace" is a Cantonese word and in this case is pronounced xū in Mandarin. In China the character is better known with the reading wéi, meaning "dam", "dike", "levee", but in this case that's wrong, so Longwei is a wrong reading of the placename Longxu 龙圩. Please have a look for example here]. Greetings from German Wikipedia, --Ingochina (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I was influenced by several existing pages using the Longwei spelling such as List of administrative divisions of Guangxi and Wuzhou. But I think you're right, it should be read as Longxu in this case, like Wuxu Airport. -Zanhe (talk) 07:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

About Surname 'Ji'
There is someone change the wikipedia article for 'Ji' (surname) badly. I think your change is adequately about it. And we need you could modify that arbitrary behavies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jianjun yang (talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That article is a mess. I will work on it eventually, but there are quite a few other things on my to do list right now. -Zanhe (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh! I will be very pleased to waiting for your work. Best Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jianjun yang (talk • contribs) 10:42, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jiang Minkuan
Allen3 talk 00:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Another day, another name
Hi there Zanhe, long time no see. I recently wrote Thio Tjin Boen, and would like your help inserting his Chinese name. The correct characters are here, on page 103. Thanks in advance! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. -Zanhe (talk) 17:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xu Ming
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot for your kind words! Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 03:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Disputed areas between India and China
Hi Zanhe, we have a disagreement on whether the category Category:Areas occupied by China after the Sino-Indian War can be added to articles inclding Lanak Pass, Spanggur Gap, Galwan River, Sirijap and Khurnak Fort based on the reliability and/or neutrality of the sources in the articles. Inspite of my requesting you at Categories for discussion/Log/2013 August 28 to first have a discussion to obtain the views of the editor community on this before removing the category, you have again removed the category. I am readding the category and again I request you to have a discussion first at Reliable sources/Noticeboard or at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. Regards, The Discoverer (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I waited nearly two weeks until the closing of the WP:ANI discussion before removing the category, following the lead of the closing admin Jreferee. Yet you reverted my edits immediately after you resumed editing (one of your reverts at Galwan River has since been undone by the creator of that article.) Jreferee has advised us to follow WP:Category, which says: "Categorization must maintain a neutral point of view" and "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial." By drawing conclusions solely on non-neutral Indian sources, your edits have clearly violated those criteria. -Zanhe (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Zanhe. The ANI close applies only to what is listed. There were only two participants in the ANI discussion. It was more of an editing dispute, since Wikipedia:Categorization is an editing guideline, than an ANI matter, and limited to the article discussed. My comments as an admin in this case are limited to views derived from the text of the ANI discussion I closed. My other comments are more as an editor. While two of us may agree against one, that does not mean that consensus has been reached, particularly when there is no actual closed discussion. Resolving Content Disputes provides some information that may be useful. Deleting a category and posting a category to an article are judge by different standards. Editors do not monitor ANI to post views on NPOV matters. For the issue to be resolved, you need input from more editors besides the two in disagreement and a third, partially involved editor. I think your best bet is to post at Neutral point of view/Noticeboard since editors who regularly deal in NPOV matters post there. WP:NPOV states "Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject. This applies not only to article text, but to ... categories." Your argument may be that Category:Areas occupied by China after the Sino-Indian War, Category:Areas controlled by China since the Sino-Indian War, or anything along those lines is incapable of presenting competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject. Also, there are no articles within Wikipedia where such categories could be placed in compliance with Category, so the category should be declared NPOV for any article. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jreferee, thanks for your explanation of the dispute resolution process. I posted at ANI because I felt the behaviour of The Discoverer went beyond a normal POV pusher. As shown in the evidence I presented at ANI, he quoted a copious amount of sources, while writing things that are the complete opposite of what the sources say. And he did it repeatedly on a number of different articles, which smacks of malicious intent to me. I only presented details for one article Khurnak Fort, which you acted upon, because it would have taken too much space to analyze every article. Now his tactic is to give up on Khurnak Fort, as well as Galwan River where he was reverted by a third user Wangernest, while keep on edit warring on the remaining three articles Lanak Pass, Spanggur Gap, and Sirijap. I think he should get a temporary block or at least a warning for this kind of disruptive behaviour. -Zanhe (talk) 05:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * He has now resumed edit warring on Galwan River. -Zanhe (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Shangguan Yunzhu
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for your kindness, too! -Zanhe (talk) 03:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ma Chengyuan
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for China Art Museum
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious
  Chinese artists and monarchs

Thank you for quality articles on Chinese topics, culture, such as the China Art Museum, and its people, monarchs and politicians, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your encouragement! -Zanhe (talk) 22:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
&mdash;Darkwind (talk) 07:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xie Zhiliu
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Guan Liang
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Translation
I need a literal translation of: "在線條採用鐵線與蘭葉描為主，輔以折蘆、蓴菜條", can you help me?. --113.168.108.195 (talk) 08:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * These seem to be very specialized terms for ancient painting techniques associated with Wu Daozi. Baidu has pages for two of the terms, see 蘭葉描 and 折蘆描. But I still don't know what they exactly mean or how to translate them after reading the articles. Sorry. -Zanhe (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wukang Road
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Chen Liting
Hello! Your submission of Chen Liting at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! NinaGreen (talk) 15:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination Women Side by Side
Hello! Your submission of Women Side by Side at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyus (talk • contribs)

DYK for Chen Liting
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Far Away Love
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Funny thing, I was actually drinking coffee when writing up the nomination. Thanks for writing the article, what a fascinating subject! -Zanhe (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Chen Shuozhen's origins
She was from Chun'an, which is part of the modern Hangzhou. I am going to add the Hangzhou category back, but please let me know if you have a counterargument. --Nlu (talk) 20:01, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not very comfortable with the idea of projecting today's political boundaries back on historical times. Chun'an has been part of Hangzhou only for the past 60 years or so. During the Song Dynasty, it was part of Muzhou, which was separate from Hangzhou. -Zanhe (talk) 08:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Understood, and valid point, but I do think that we have to do that. The geographic categorizations are intended to make proper geographic associations, and I don't really think that there is a way to do it but to use modern boundaries.  Otherwise, everything else will be arbitrary anyway.  --Nlu (talk) 04:12, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wu Yin
Alex ShihTalk 00:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wukang Mansion
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Film description
Hi. When it comes to defining/categorizing a film, which is a director's medium, very few film scholars or critics would go by which government it was made under. I have rarely seen such categorization in serious film journalism. When you describe a film in its opening sentence, you use the most common description, thus your reasoning of "it's important to specify the government" of a film makes little sense when it comes to these titles.

For examples, Jean Renoir's The Rules of the Game (La Règle du jeu) was made during the French Third Republic, but the film is commonly described as a French film, rather than a "French Third Republic" film, in spite of the various political undertones hinted in Renoir's masterpiece. Likewise, Marcel Carné's Les Visiteurs du Soir was made during Vichy France, but the film is known as a French film, rather than a "Vichy France film". There are various ways you can convey the political aspects of the film, such as an elaboration of the backdrop of the time period. Regards.--TheLeopard (talk) 08:53, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * May I ask what's the downside if we do mention the historical period during which the films were made? After all, we do define The Peach Blossom Fan as a Qing Dynasty play, and Xi Xiang Ji as a Yuan Dynasty play, not simply a Chinese play. For the late ROC-era films, many are politically charged and anti-KMT government. It's important to note specifically what government they were made under, IMO. By the way, Les Visiteurs du Soir does specify in the lead that it was made during the Nazi occupation, i.e., the Vichy period. -Zanhe (talk) 09:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As someone who is fairly (ha!) active in film articles, I'd go with "a Chinese film" then give a full sentence. Nobody outside of readers already versed in Chinese history would get the political ramifications from simply stating the dynasty/historical period. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:21, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well one thing to remember is that film is a "modern medium", especially in comparison to literature, where it does tend to be divided into specific periods due to the lengthy timeline. Also, Xi Xiang Ji is described as a Chinese dramatic work in its article, and if you take any courses about that work in a university, it is described as a Chinese play, one of the most renowned of course.--TheLeopard (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, to answer: "By the way, Les Visiteurs du Soir does specify in the lead that it was made during the Nazi occupation, i.e., the Vichy period." Yes, as I stated above, mentioning the political background of the film is absolutely fine, i.e. I inserted information in the articles that they were made during the Republic of China.--TheLeopard (talk) 09:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your latest edits are fine with me. Thank you guys for taking interest in the articles. Sometimes it feels lonely when there's nobody to argue with :-) -Zanhe (talk) 09:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * "Sometimes it feels lonely when there's nobody to argue with" - now that's the Wikipedia way ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wang Renmei‎
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Situ Qiao
The DYK project (nominate) 00:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Ye Qianyu
Thank you for this interesting article. I've now started uploading the images from here to Commons, and will clean them up a bit later. File:Ye Qianyu, "Serpent and Woman." Shanghai manhua 4 (May 12, 1928).jpg looks quite nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting artist indeed. I started out intending to write a basic stub, but couldn't stop adding information and ended up spending hours. It's fascinating how many turmoils people of his generation experienced in a single lifetime. Thanks for uploading the images. I've created a separate category for them. I'm sure I'll write more articles that can use them. -Zanhe (talk) 20:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed. His contemporaries, for instance. (To be honest, some of these wouldn't look out of place in more recent collections... File:Ye Qianyu, "Unfortunate Love." Shanghai manhua 9 (June 16, 1928).jpg looks like it was drawn much more recently, at least to me). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's hard to believe they were published in China 80 years ago. Unfortunately, wars and communism set China back for much of the 20th century. Also check out Modern Sketch, another fascinating 1930s magazine. -Zanhe (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel the same about here in Indonesia... had the War not happened (and thus the Dutch not lost their hold on power) I find it probable that the country would have become independent around the 1960s and been much more modernised. Oh well. (Crisco)36.73.68.154 (talk) 09:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Put Down Your Whip
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Red links
Thanks for the notice. I didn't know you were going to create articles for these subjects. Great job on the articles by the way!--TheLeopard (talk) 08:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I do intend to turn all the red links I create into blue ones, but it appears that every new article I write links to even more notable topics that need articles. Wikipedia's China coverage is ridiculously poor and it'll probably be decades before it becomes half decent. -Zanhe (talk) 08:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ye Qianyu
The DYK project (nominate) 21:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Your recent PROD nomination of
I note your PROD nomination of Fluid Friction Comics here. Unfortunately, because this article has already been to AFD, I will have to decline the PROD. You may wish to nominate it at AfD, though; your rationale seems to be on the money. Risker (talk) 03:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've nominated it for AfD. -Zanhe (talk) 08:46, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Women Side by Side
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Some bubble tea for you!
There was an ongoing discussion on the talk page of the article. Could you take part in the discussion? Many Wikipedians couldn't help because they are not familiar with the topic of Chinese monarchs. -- Huang (user page | talk | contribs | info) 10:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to Daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei
I have noted all the changes you made to the article, including placing citations needed, and would like to express my thoughts. The article is translated from a good article in Chinese Wikipedia, and the event was over 1000 years ago, so it would be rather unlikely to trace history. However, since you have raised the concern, I shall ask according to the changes you made.

Citations needed tags
 * 1) Ever since, there was no more historical records about her. (If there was no more historical records, it means that there was no more mentions about her in history and in historical books. If so, How could there even be records about her, and to cite the statement according to records?)
 * What if there are other records that are unknown to Wikipedia editors? We cannot be assured of that fact without a source. If it's true (which I do not doubt), it should be straightforward to find a modern source that asserts that. -Zanhe (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) ... this story provides a largely factual account of events. (the statement is just to tell that the story is based on facts and historical records. As such, I don't think it is possible to cite it, because [1] Am I supposed to cite the entire story with a list of facts? The novel is already mentioned, why need to cite it? [2] It is clearly obvious to Wikipedians that they have to read the novel to actually know. Why would a complementary statement need citations if it is already referenced and that no reliable sources would be on the internet?)
 * You could cite Cai Dongfan's novel (is it on wikisource?), or preferably, a modern historian who asserts that. See also WP:SYNTHESIS. -Zanhe (talk) 05:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Others
 * 1) Since you said that there was no need to quote the entire Chinese text of the edict and the summary in English would suffice, why was the overview below the edict removed?
 * The article already mentions that the edict declared that Yuan was a girl and Yuan Zhao would be emperor, and I felt that was enough. As I said, feel free to add it back if you think more details would be beneficial. -Zanhe (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions and hope that you can answer my doubts. -- Huang (user page | talk | contribs | info) 05:13, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Also, may I know which country do you come from? You have contributed largely to articles related to China. Do you contribute to other articles? --Huang (talk) 17:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks your great work on the article, and the barnstar. To answer your question, I'm a Canadian of Chinese ancestry. I mostly work on China-related topics since there are so many important articles missing, and so few people are working on them. I've also written a few articles on Mexico and India, as well as aviation-related lists. -Zanhe (talk) 06:44, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw your source for Cai Dongfan's work and it was indeed a reliable source. References 5, 7 and 8 are unreliable sources added by me because they are either lifted from Chinese Wikipedia's article or works that have gone viral on the internet. Especially Baidu Baike which had three similar articles infringing Wikipedia's copyright. Could you help to cite reliable sources for the three statements? Also, there is a list requiring copy-editing for the article on Talk:Daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei/GA1 where the GA nomination is failed. Could you help to copy edit them? Also, in your edit summary, you stated "dab". What does that mean? --Huang (talk) 07:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll try, but can't guarantee I can find reliable sources for them. If we can't find good sources, it's probably better to delete the statements and it won't affect the article much. Dab is short for disambiguation. -Zanhe (talk) 09:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I cited reliable sources for all of them except for the fact that there was no more historical records about her. If you find more reliable sources, feel free to replace them as you wish. --Huang (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not responding more promptly. I have been consumed with the various Li (surname) articles lately. Will try to take a look soon. -Zanhe (talk) 06:57, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I found a more reliable source for the "no more historical records" fact, and copyedited the article a bit. The DYK is fine, but I cannot approve the hook I proposed myself, so I've requested another reviewer. -Zanhe (talk) 07:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the Li surname RfC and my reverts and redirects
I wanted to send you this talk page message to explain why I redirected four articles that you had created (Li (surname 栗)‎, Li (surname 厉)‎, Li (surname 李)‎, Li (surname 利)‎) back to their original targets (Li (surname meaning "chestnut")‎, Li (surname meaning "whetstone"), Li (surname meaning "plum")‎, and Li (surname meaning "profit")‎ respectively). At the present time, there is not a clear consensus to redirect the titles with titles such as "Li (surname meaning "....")" to titles that include their symbol in the title. Until consensus can be formed, the page titles should remain the way that they are.

In addition, the preferred method to "start a new page" is to move the page from its current title to its new title. If you create a brand new page (and then turn the "old" page into a redirect) instead of moving the page, conflicts are created with attributing contributions to the other editors who worked on the "old" page. Most of the time, in valid "moves" like the ones created by copying the text from another article and then editing it, a situation that requires a history merge is created. Situations like that should always be avoided whenever possible.

At this point, I would recommend leaving the titles where they are until the RfC has been closed. Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I started rewriting the articles after the closure of the recent round of AfD discussions, before the RfC started. They were not moves at all, they were rewritten completely from scratch. The former articles were so poorly written that almost nothing was worth salvaging. They had been subject to numerous AfD, merge, and WP:TNT discussions, and had been moved around, merged, and restored repeatedly, without consensus. Some of the titles were also plain wrong. Li (surname meaning "whetstone")? Li does not even mean whetstone! See its dictionary entry.


 * I wish someone had notified me of the RfC before I committed several days of my time researching sources and rewriting the articles. But honesty I really don't think the RfC is even necessary. The person who started the RfC is well aware of the long discussion in July at Wikipedia talk:AT, where User:Obiwankenobi convincingly demonstrated how reliable sources treat this issue, and suggested the naming scheme that I followed when creating the new articles. His argument received nearly unanimous support at that discussion. If that's not consensus, I don't know what is. -Zanhe (talk) 00:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * In all honestly, I agree with trying to figure out why and RfC is necessary when there was a move discussion happening for this, especially after reviewing the archive discussion. However, given that this RfC directly relates to the articles which I reverted that are part of the Li (surname) chain, moving them elsewhere at this time (until the RfC is closed) would be considered controversial.


 * Also, I see that you have already reverted one of my changes. I'm not going to unintentionally start an edit war with you regarding this, but I would recommend changing it back until the RfC is closed (given that making any changes to the articles right now can be considered controversial). Steel1943  (talk) 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Correction - you have now reverted all of them, I see. Steel1943  (talk) 01:01, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't mean to offend at all. But if you compare Li (surname 栗) with Li (surname meaning "chestnut"), or Li (surname 李) with Li (surname meaning "plum"), for example, you can easily tell which version is superior. Again, I wish I had known about the RfC before devoting hours of my time rewriting the articles, but at this point, I don't see how redirecting to the poorly written old articles would benefit any reader. -Zanhe (talk) 01:10, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * No offense taken, given the fact that I know next to nothing about this subject and honestly don't have the time to figure it out. I just, more or less, have an understanding of how Wikipedia works. The action you took to create those "Li" articles and redirect the "Li (surname meaning "....") was not established as consensus on the RFC discussion. Even though precedent might have been stated in the archived discussion you presented, the community of editors had the option to go against previous consensus and possibly establish a different consensus for the "Li" surname articles. In fact, these points you are directing towards me right now are points that belong in the RFC; I honestly have no desire to get into the discussion regarding he proper title of these articles. And, from an outsider to the RFC who has an understand of how Wikipedia works, your action to create those articles was a bold series of edits that should have not happened (yet) since consensus is still in the process of being formed on the RFC.


 * ...And this is why I'm highly recommending that you revert your edits for the time being. Steel1943  (talk) 01:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * While I agree that moving the articles during an RfC that covers naming is poor practice (and Zahne and I disagree on what the names should be), Zahne has made huge improvements to the content of the articles. As naming is somewhat minor in comparison to content, I'm not too put out by the overly bold moves.  Currently the talk pages at Li (surname 利), Li (surname 李), and Li (surname 栗) redirect to Talk:Li (surname meaning "profit"), Talk:Li (surname meaning "plum"), and Talk:Li (surname meaning "chestnut").  Whatever the articles are called while the naming discussions are ongoing, could this be fixed so that if there are separate articles they have separate talk pages?--Wikimedes (talk) 02:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * that is actually the way they are right now; I set up those redirects after I tried to fix the edit-history breaking edits caused by the cut-paste moves that were done before Zanhe improved on the articles at their new titles. (I did get a chance to see the "new" articles before I reverted the edits; I agree that the new articles Zanhe created looked better than the previous ones.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steel1943 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 24 November 2013‎ (UTC)


 * Hmm. Talk:Li (surname 利) redirects to Talk:Li (surname meaning "profit").  So there are currently separate articles Li (surname 利) and Li (surname meaning "profit") which share the same talk page.  These articles will eventually be merged, but should they have separate talk pages in the meantime?--Wikimedes (talk) 02:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I apologize; I misread your statement. (In a nutshell, I thought the first word of your second sentence was "Could" instead of "Currently".) Honestly, since yes, they will have to eventually be merged, it is actually probably best for both talk pages to target the same talk page so that the discussion can be centralized. Steel1943  (talk) 02:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Works for me. (Sorry about the confusion; it would have been clearer if I had written "while there are separate articles" instead of "if there are separate articles" and shortened the previous sentence.)--Wikimedes (talk) 04:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rou Shi
The DYK project (nominate) 08:12, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Shanghai Manhua
{{DYKbotdo 07:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xin Zhui
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Hi, I've left you some notes at Template:Did you know nominations/Lord Chunshen. Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 17:55, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

My talk page
Check it out. I found the policies I'm addressing and the one you and Kave are defending has a giant banner saying it's out of date, disputed, and nonbinding. Kave is simply wrong thinking that people don't call Wu by his name all the time. You lead in with "Emperor Wu", sure, but after that it's a simple name and treated as such. It's the exact same as King Charles II of England; but the page name doesn't include that title. I think it is helpful all around if the pages very clearly differentiate the treatment of the name Wu of Han and the Hongwu Emperor; it might help keep them from treating his name the same way.

I've already done everything through the Northern Qi and can finish later today if there's no problem. If you or whoever revert the existing edits, kindly remember to keep the redirects. — Llywelyn II   02:09, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Liu Che would be the equivalent of Charles II: they're both personal names. Emperor Wu, however, is a posthumous name, which has no equivalent in Europe. Conventionally, posthumous names are accompanied by the title, so they can be distinguished from personal names, which are used by themselves. In any case, it wasn't a good idea for you to start moving hundreds of articles without establishing consensus first. -Zanhe (talk) 05:44, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Fan Sui reverts
Zanhe,

I have recently undone a number of your edits where you changed "Fan Sui" to "Fan Ju". This is an old problem where most scholars believe the Shiji has a textual error (雎 instead of 睢). See Wang Shumin's 王叔岷 Shiji jiaozheng 史記斠證 (cited in Nienhauser, ed (1994), Grand Scribe's Records, vol. 7) for a detailed note on this issue.

Best wishes.  White Whirlwind  咨   06:56, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey interesting, I was posting on your talk page at the same time. Actually from what I've read, Shiji used Sui instead of Ju, but Zhan Guo Ce and Han Feizi use Ju instead of Sui. And most Chinese scholars now agree it's Ju as that was a common given name of Qin and Han. Crump and Watson also use Fan Ju in their translations. But anyways, it's probably not worth arguing too much about. Correct or not, both are commonly used. -Zanhe (talk) 07:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

. Keep up the good work!  White Whirlwind  咨   07:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Revert move to Shijun Liao
Hi Zanhe, I'm not an expert on Chinese names, but even if this is inconsistent with the original language, I have a major concern with you changing the name order of Shijun Liao to Liao Shijun. In the entirety of the publications written by Dr. Liao in english, his name has been ordered Shijun Liao and never the other way around. Because this is how he is known in his academic field in the english-speaking world (especially as the author of two published research monographs), I strongly suggest the article move be reverted. Rememberlands (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. In English academic publications, it is customary to rearrange the names of Chinese authors using the Western order, probably to avoid citation errors. However, the convention on Wikipedia is to preserve the original name order except for overseas Chinese. See Naming conventions (Chinese). -Zanhe (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Your edits to Daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Northern Wei
You are actually not supposed to translate the footnotes but to leave it in the original language, or else make notes at the side. It's fine since you did, but it would be and is problematic, like 卷152 translates to vol./volume 152 instead of "roll". I suggest to change back to the original Chinese, what do you think? --Huang (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You're mistaken. I did not translate the footnotes, User:LlywelynII did. Using Chinese footnotes is fine, but the title of the quoted work should be translated, and I think that point was raised in the GA review. So I think LlywelynII's work is fine. But I do agree that 卷 should be translated to volume instead of roll. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Using Chinese footnotes is not fine: You can use foreign sources if there is no English version (or in any case, no as-good English version) but you should always provide English versions of the names and generally pull and run parallel translation the passages. Thanks for your work, but that page needs far more work than I did.


 * 华人文化世界. 天津海外联谊会. 1995. p. 92.
 * "华人文化世界" ["Huaren Wenhua Shijie"], p. 92. 天津海外联谊会 [Tianjin Haiwai Lianyi Hui], 1995.
 * The World of Chinese Culture, p. 92. Tianjin Overseas Friendship Association, 1995.
 * 《华人文化世界》 [Huárén Wénhuà Shìjiè, The World of Chinese Culture], p. 92. 天津海外联谊会 [Tiānjīn Hǎiwài Liányì Huì, Tianjin Overseas Friendship Assoc.], 1995.


 * I think some of the citation templates have built-in fields for the translated names and passages as well. You can use whichever format—e.g., putting the page number at the end—but you should note the language, which is obvious to you but not necessarily other editors, and include (at the very least) pinyin parallel text. Never italicize 汉字 but usually italicize the pinyin. If you aren't sure about English translations, you can talk to the people at the Language Reference Desk.


 * That said, if I mistranslated a term, sure, fix that. One of the problems of not translating things yourself is having other editors misunderstand them via Google Translate or completely remove them altogether per USEENGLISH . — Llywelyn II   23:12, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the talk page of the article. --Huang (talk) 05:13, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hu Yepin
Hello! Your submission of Hu Yepin at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! NinaGreen (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hu Yepin
Gatoclass (talk) 20:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Chunshen
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:17, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Chen Liting
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Chen Liting you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gabriel Yuji -- 00:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Li surnames
Zanhe, some issues have been raised regarding your DYK nomination of these three articles. Please stop by the nomination soon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Chen Liting
The article Chen Liting you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Chen Liting for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gabriel Yuji -- 01:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Persecution of Chinese Indians
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Fo-shih-pu-lo
Can you help me find Chinese Character for "Fo-shih-pu-lo", Chinese's name for Vijayapura .--123.17.239.187 (talk) 15:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I searched quite a few likely combinations but couldn't find any match. Sorry. -Zanhe (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ye Qianyu
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Your GA nomination of Ye Qianyu
The article Ye Qianyu you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Ye Qianyu for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LT910001 -- 00:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)