User talk:Zaps93/archive01

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First Choice Airways destinations
A tag has been placed on First Choice Airways destinations, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

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Flag icons
Hi there, re: the flag icons on airline pages I have stated the reasons on the Talk:First Choice Airways destinations page, basically consensus was reached on this some time ago. Thanks SempreVolando (talk) 20:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

March 2009
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Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. MilborneOne (talk) 20:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Zaps rather than keep reverting the fleet table colour on Iraqi Airways can I ask you to discuss it on the talk page. Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Colours in fleet and other tables
This is an encyclopedia its not meant to be colourful unecessarily with people playing mix-n-match, kindly respect it and let it remain a source of information, presented in a mature way, just like it would be in book form.116.71.45.1 (talk) 18:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Bmibaby
I suggest you actually read the policies and guidelines I have referred to and not revert again. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and does not care what the company wants to style its name as, it cares about correct English, as covered by WP:MOSTM, which is summarised as: Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of trademark owners

Thus, bmibaby is correctly capitalised as Bmibaby. I trust that this explains the situation. Nouse4aname (talk) 16:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You clearly do not understand. The name is Bmibaby. It is a name and thus under correct English it is capitalised. This is covered under the guidelines and policy that I have linked for you (see WP:MOSTM). The fact that the company style the brand with a lowercase b is irrelevant. This can be mentioned in the lead, but is not actually the name of the company. This is only a stylistic preference - and one that we do not endorse on an encyclopedia. As for other people's opinions, the matter is not decided by a vote, but by consensus. That means that the weight of the arguments for and against are weighed up, no matter how many people disagree with one side or the other. As the use of Bmibaby is supported by WP:MOSTM whereas there is no guideline to support the use of bmibaby, we thus capitalise the name. Now I hope that this explains it for you, and that you will refrain from reverting the page again. If you are still confused, please ask. Regards, Nouse4aname (talk) 09:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Another good point has been raised on the talk page, that the name should actually be BMIBaby, and give the arguments give there, this actually seems like the correct title. Remember, we do not need to represent the way a company styles its brand. We must only accurately portray the company name according to our own policies and guidelines, which in this instance, favour correct capitalisation of names and acronyms. Regards Nouse4aname (talk) 09:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For your information, please see Adidas, Zavvi and Craigslist for examples of companies that style their name with a lowercase letter but are capitalised on wikipedia. Nouse4aname (talk) 09:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How many times must I explain it. Wikipedia isn’t run by the government. It has its own rules, guidelines and policies, one of which states that correct English is used at all times, irrespective of the company’s own stylistic preferences. Have you actually read WP:MOSTM? eBay and iPod are exceptions because the B and P are capitalised and pronounced as separate entities. As far as discussion on the talk page goes, there is certainly no consensus for using lowercase lettering. People may agree with it, but they provide no policy or support for doing so, and thus the opinions do not matter. Only opinions supported by wikipedia policy count. I suggest that you actually read WP:MOSTM and try to understand it before you continue with this crusade. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The name is no different whether it is capitalised or not. You do not say it any differently. The difference is that as an encyclopaedia, wikipedia uses correct English capitalisation. Meaning that names (including that of a company) are always capitalised. This is all explained under WP:MOSTM. eBay is an exception to the rule because the second letter is capitalised and the ”e” is pronounced as a separate entity. Nouse4aname (talk) 19:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to BMI Regional
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Keith D (talk) 22:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Lowercase of proper names
I am going to attempt to explain this to you one final time. We do not use lowercase letters for company names, even if the company does so, and even if the UK government does so. Wikipedia is not run by the government. We have developed our own set of house rules for formatting, capitalisation, grammar etc. When a company name is styled with a lower case letter, we capitalise that name in the encyclopedia because it is a proper name, and it is correct English to do so. We do not give undue weight to alternative stylistic formatting or preferences. These rules are set out in the guideline Yet again WP:MOSTM, which states: Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of trademark owners.

Furthermore, the naming of an article is covered by Name, which states: Follow standard English text formatting for article names that are trademarks. Items in full or partial uppercase…should have standard capitalization

So even though Bmibaby style their name as bmibaby, and BMI as bmi, this has no standing in correct as we do not maintain this styling in the encyclopedia.

As for eBay and iPod, these are given as explicit exceptions to the above rule. This is because they are never referred to in any other formatting in other reliable sources (whereas there is no consistent formatting of Bmibaby or BMI). Additionally, the first letter is considered a separate entity to the rest of the word and pronounced separately. I trust that I have now fully explained the reasoning for using capitalised versions of the name, for other examples of where these guidelines and policies are implemented, please see Adidas, EasyJet, Craigslist, First Direct amongst others.

I should also bring it to your attention that if you are going to file a report for edit warring, you should notify the person that you are reporting. Furthermore, it takes two to edit war, and you were just as guilty as I was. As I can see we are getting nowhere by reverting one another, I will leave the pages as you have formatted them until you fully understand why they should not be that way. Regards Nouse4aname (talk) 09:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

bmibaby or BMIBaby?
You have previously participated in a discussion at Talk:Bmibaby. If you care, please weigh in again at Talk:Bmibaby. —  AjaxSmack   18:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Random question
Thanks for the question Zaps, not actually watching your edits it is just that I have over 4,000 articles in my watchlist nearly all of them related to the aircraft, airlines or airports projects. I will check every change that is made to those articles, most are no problem, some may not follow current policy and some are just outright vandalism. I suspect as I am in the UK and in the same time zone you just see more of me than other editors, other editors and admins in Australia, Canada and the USA also watch most of the articles but you may not see them reverting or changing edits unless you edit in the early mornings or late into the night. So I am not here just to revert everything that happens! over half the edits add value to the articles. If you have any questions about any changes or reverts I have made to your edits then please ask, I do make mistakes! (and other editors do correct my errors as well!). Regards MilborneOne (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Arrow Air incident -- Spanish? Portugese?
Hi.

I came along your edit about the Arrow Air DC-10 that lost parts of an engine yesterday. You wrote that the report here was in Spanish. That seems to be a Brazilian news source. I don't speak either language, but I wonder if it could be in Brazilian Portugese rather than in Spanish. I apologise in advance if you do read Spanish and that article is in fact in Spanish.--ospalh (talk) 10:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am convinced now that the language is Portuguese. They don't use the Spanish Inverted question and exclamation marks. (There is some kind of poll on the page.) I was a bit bold and changed the Arrow Air article. Cheers, ospalh (talk) 17:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to confirm that it is Portuguese, and they do speak it in Brazil. I'm trying to learn both languages infomally, so I've seen alot of both languages. I even have Portugese for Dummies, which is primarily about Brazilian Portuguese. One easy give-away is the Spanish uses un while Portuguese uses um - they mean the same thing ("a" or "the"). Since both languages are closely related, speakers of one language can read the other language to some level of understanding. - BillCJ (talk) 23:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Gavin & Stacey
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Bmibaby
Look, we have gone over and over this countless times before. As discussed on Talk:Bmibaby, Bmibaby is to be used in text and bmibaby for the article title. This was the agreement. You cannot just ignore it and quote WP:IAR when it suits you. It is interesting that Cardiff Airport seem to have restyled their logo to use all lowercase? Do you now propose that we follow suit? Nouse4aname (talk) 15:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not going to warn you again. Stop changing Bmibaby to lowercase in the text. Nouse4aname (talk) 12:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OH YEAH! Cause im so scared of you! LEARN IGNORE ALL RULES POLICY! We never get what we want, so except it!Zaps93 (talk) 12:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not trying to scare you. I fully understand WP:IAR. However, it seems that you do not. The policy clearly states "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.". The important part of this statement is "If a rule prevents you from improving... Wikipedia". You need to explain how capitalising names is somehow damaging wikipedia, and why using lowercase is an improvement. The capitalisation of company names has been exhaustively discussed many years ago and a community consensus reached at WP:MOSTM. You fail to explain how ignoring this will improve wikipedia. "It's the way the company styles it" is not a valid arguement, as this is the very reason the rule at WP:MOSTM exists - to explain how to correctly format names that companies have branded in opposition to standard English. And by the way, I think you mean "accept it", not "except it". Nouse4aname (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

EasyJet
Hello Zaps93. I was going to leave you a nice friendly explanation that Wikipedia policy is to capitalise tradenames, but what's the point? You have been warned repeatedly to stop changing BMI to bmi. Exactly the same argument applies to EasyJet. The policy was arrived at by consensus after extensive debate involving many users. Your continued attempts to fight a lone battle against that consensus constitutes vandalism, which may result in you being banned from editing. Please think carefully about whether this obsession is worth a ban. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)