User talk:Zaschrona

Welcome!
and thanks for your new article Csaplár's trap. It's great to see last weekend's amazing result enshrined in a Wikipedia article, although I'm from Bournemouth so I may be a little biased ;) --Hillbillyholiday talk 03:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Csaplár's trap


The article Csaplár's trap has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * I'm convinced that the subject has a common usage in the English language at all.

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 * In particular, I note that neither Linekar or the Telegraph used the term that the article is strongly suggesting that they did. I honestly don't think this has a common English language usage. I can find no ghits other than wikipedia for it, for example. Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * I have to say I disagree. I have updated the article with new references and a link between football cliché "2-0 lead is the worst lead" and this term that is hugely popular between Czech football fans. I really don't think English has a word or combination of words that represents this cliché better than a term well-known in the Czech Republic. Zaschrona 13:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * You may be right Blue Square Thing, alas. There does seem to be mention in Czech sources if you google Csaplárova past, but we may have to wait a little while longer for it to catch on elsewhere.
 * Zaschrona, the sources you added don't actually mention Csalpar's trap, and I can find none that do. At the moment, you are doing original research by synthesizing these sources into an article. It might be worth saving a copy of the article's wikitext, so if Csalpar's trap does become a notable term in the future you can quickly recreate it. I hope it does catch on as there is no other English term for such comebacks (as far as I know), but you may have to resign yourself to losing this leg unfortunately. --Hillbillyholiday talk 13:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * What about linking Czech wiki-page into an article called like "2-0 lead is the worst" and re-link current "Csaplar's trap" article there? The thing clearly exists in football/sports as a cliché, the only problem is that English does not have as clear term as Czech language has. Similar to Schadenfreude as that word really exists only in German language. It is probably right that Csaplar's trap really does not exist. Would do thing I mention do the trick? Zaschrona 13:55, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. "2-0 lead is the worst" is used occasionally regarding hockey and football, but I'm not seeing many high-quality references. It seems anecdotal but maybe there is a scientific study out there? Shadenfreude is used in many English sources, until Csaplar's trap is similarly used I think we can't have an article called that. --Hillbillyholiday talk 14:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I have added in new references - even from a book - to show the popularity of use of this cliché mainly in football and hockey. However I agree that an article called Csaplár's trap can't be used in English, so it should redirect into an article called like "2-0 lead is the worst." Schadenfreude is absolutely something else - Csaplár's trap/"2-0 lead is the worst lead" is a false security of the lead you have from satisfaction with the result and so it results in a decline in quality of your game for next minutes of the game. Schadenfreude is pleasure derived from the misfortune of others. Zaschrona 15:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of 2–0 lead is the worst lead for deletion
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