User talk:Zazaban/Anarchism and Chaos


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 * Can somebody help me outline Hakim Bey's stance of chaos? I attempted to get something out of his writing, but it strikes me as incomprehensible gibberish. Zazaban (talk) 14:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you suppose illegalism ought to be mentioned? Zazaban (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't think of any illegalists associated with chaos in a meaningful way. Skomorokh  18:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but I believe they were accused of being chaos-lovers, and they most certainly helped evolve the association in the minds of the public. Zazaban (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Things that ought to get a mention:
Zazaban (talk) 11:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bakuninist/Johann Most/propaganda of the deed/terrorist tradition.
 * More about Hakim Bey and metaphysical chaos.
 * Breif mention of the russian nihilist movement.


 * Expanding on the Russian nihilists, a major thrust of the article should be on the Bakuninist/Johann Most/propaganda of the deed/terrorist tradition. The other main one I would focus on would be the metaphysical side (Hakim Bey etc.). In the context of lifestylism and illegalism, chaos is more a term of abuse than an analysis of much depth. Skomorokh  18:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, totally. The usage as an abuse should have a breif mention. Zazaban (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi guys! I haven't ben around much recently and probably still won't for a while... But in the same vein as Hakim Bey, the Discordian religion should probably be mentioned; it describes a false dualistic view of the world divided into "chaos", which by its definition includes direct action, subverting authority, music, sex and free expression, and "order", which includes authority, bureaucracy, repression and control. According to the Discordians, all of these are just forms of chaos and the positive ones should be expanded. In many ways it is anarchistic, but its use of the word chaos is as far from the common definition as our use of anarchy is. ~  Swi tch  ( ✉ ✍  ☺  ☒ )  02:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)