User talk:Zennie

Proposed deletion of Insight Terminal Solutions


The article Insight Terminal Solutions has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Fails WP:ORG"

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. --Pontificalibus 13:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

The requested changes were made - although there was no real exact reason given that one could point to in agreement, nonetheless great effort was taken to make changes that hopefully were recognized as meeting the desired objective. The entry is neutral - the reason for it was explained from the outset. -Zennie 8:17 PM, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Zennie, the reason given was that the subject of the article fails WP:ORG which is the notability guideline for organizations. I searched for reliable sources providing significant coverage about the company i.e that discuss the company directly in detail, however I couldn't find any so don't think the subject is sufficiently notable for inclusion. A discussion to invite comment from other editors on the matter has now been started (see below).Pontificalibus 11:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Okay, I understand your point, and I do have a connection to the entire history of the project before ITS, and now - one that spans 30 years. I know so much that I have presented the best "neutral position" possible. The other media are biased from a political perspective and so have avoided any balanced coverage of ITS. Moreover, the writers who did cover it lost their jobs. So, there's almost no reporting on the issue at all. I read that "neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." I have done that.

Additionally, if you want to help by adding something I may have missed (I doubt I did), I welcome your collaboration.

Nomination of Insight Terminal Solutions for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Insight Terminal Solutions is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Insight Terminal Solutions until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --Pontificalibus 10:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. creffett (talk) 01:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC) Hello Creffett, the discussion seems to be a back and forth collection of explanations after an action is taken. So, I determined the talk was over and removed the tag. I respectfully maintain the reasons behind deletion are not logical and suspect. I have stated why and have asked the person posting the issues to join me in authorship of the entry. -Zennie 1:52 AM 1 September 2019 (UTC) Update: still no discussion on this proposed action. I believe it best to remove the delete tag and then have the discussion, and not the other way. Right now, there has not been any back and forth. As stated, there is little on Insight Terminal Solutions because it is a new firm and a small business. Moreover, there's little employment in media to cause immediate coverage. The reasons given for deletion are not logical. -Zennie 1:17 PM 2 September 2019 Say creffett thank you for the reference additions -Zennie 5:15 AM 2 September 2019 I am requesting any additional assistance in improving the entry. The subject matter is of extreme importance. -Zennie 4:18 PM 3 September 2019

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to remove Articles for deletion notices or comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, as you did at Insight Terminal Solutions, you may be blocked from editing. ''Zennie - the discussion remains open until it is closed by an administrator, which is not before seven days are up. Removing the deletion template from the article before the discussion is closed serves no useful purpose and is not permitted. '' --Pontificalibus 15:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC) -- Can you please help keep the entry by improving it. There's no reason you can't. You're being prejudiced, and I have a real discomfort for the take you chose to adopt - Zennie 4:10 PM 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * As stated in my deletion rationale, the organisation fails our notability guidelines for organisations, because it’s not covered in detail by independent reliable sources, such as newspapers. I have looked for such sources but found none, hence there is nothing I can now do to improve the article - I can’t somehow make the organisation meet our inclusion criteria. However there might be some sources out there which I have been unable to find, so if you know of any, do add them to the article. I suggest you read WP:ORG carefully, as that explains what is needed for this article not to be deleted. --Pontificalibus 16:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

And the reason I stated your desires were based on bias rests in the entry for the Oakland Panthers. That new installment is one organization that the other first Oakland Panthers reported stole their name. It's a promotion. So, on that basis, your actions were completely prejudiced regarding Insight Terminal Solutions. I'm taking this to Jimbo Wales for review Pontificalibus. This is an outrage. You singled me out for reasons of bias. Take the same look at the Oakland Panthers story - then Google it. Not right or ethical on your part. -Zennie 3:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)