User talk:Zephyrad/archive

Dear Zephyrad,

I apologize if there was a confusion regarding the creation of a user name. You are probably referring to this part of my welcome message:
 * The ability to view all your contributions via a "My contributions" link

This is something that anonymous IP addresses cannot do easily by themselves, whereas its a much simpler tab at the top of your page if you are logged in. Every contribution you make to the encyclopedia from here-on-out will be easily accessable from "My Contributions." If you are concerned about being credited for your edits prior to making a user name, you can always direct people to Special:Contributions/70.189.195.127, to show them the 1000+ edits you made as an anonymous user (assuming these were all you and not you combined with other users on the same IP). Or, if you so desire, you can simply log out and never use this user name, choosing to stay anonymous; however, as I pointed out, people will be able to identify you much more easily with your user name, since humans can recognize letter combinations more quickly than number combinations.

Once again, I apologize for any confusion I may have caused. Creating a user name does have quite a few benefits, with about the only drawback being the one you have pointed out, that all of your anonymous edits are stored in a separate place. If you have any more questions or concerns, feel free to contact me again on my talk page.

EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 22:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Zephyrad
Ah, I understand. Well, the point of that bullet was to say that if you continue to edit as "Zephyrad," users who see your edits won't know that your IP address is "70.etc." I suppose when someone creates a user name, all of their previous edits could be relabeled with the new user name and all of those contributions moved to the user's contribution list. However, this is not currently the policy; this is likely due to the fact that this would require a fair amount of server work time, would be potentially confusing to other editors, and would not necessarily be true in the case of shared IPs. However, if you feel strongly that user's IP edits should be transferred over to their user accounts, perhaps you can suggest it at Village pump. This is a place for users to propose and discuss policies, technical issues, etc. I apologize once again for the confusion. Once again, feel free to contact me if you have further questions or comments. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:03, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Young Blood
Hi Zephrad. I see that you've asked about a Young Blood article on the Deletion review page. You might find some of the answers to your questions at the Criteria for speedy deletion policy page. Anything that fits any of the descriptions on that page can be deleted without further debate.

The page that shows the deletion log for the Muzbe article is here. From the description left by the admin, I would say he probably found the article fit criterion #7 under Articles in the speedy deletion page. If you'd like to get more information about the deletion, I recommend you ask RHaworth nicely.

Happy editing! -- Jonel | Speak 04:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * [from user talk:RHaworth] Uhh, would you care to explain to me exactly how my article on the Coasters' song "Young Blood" is a duplicate of "Muzbe", and why it was deleted with NO VOTES, ALERTS OR DISCUSSION?! I'm not amused, and I want the article restored, unless I hear a reeeeeally good and compelling explanation of your actions. I will also be bringing this matter up to Wikipedia; this sounds like usurpation to me. Zephyrad 01:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The above is a bit too strong in my view for asking nicely but no matter. I do apologise - we are always told to check an article's history before deleting. In this case having seen four identical new articles, I deleted Young Blood as well without realising that some arrogant kid from north London had posted his own rubbish over a perfectly good article. I have copied the text of the Young Blood article, in the state I saw it, to User:Zephyrad/Young Blood. It was an exact duplicate of Muzbe, Lil Saf, Lil Flame and Silent Soldiers. Please mark it for deletion when you have read it. -- RHaworth 07:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Apology accepted, and exchanged, if I ruffled any feathers; my message to you was written in total WTF mode. Had me worried. Thanks for following up, and your good words. Not sure how to re-mark that text for deletion, but it sure didn't sound like the Coasters. Zephyrad 07:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

AMA request
Please see Talk:Second-class citizen for details, and the edit history of the article. I will not debate this person, nor respond to his attempt to call me anti-American, and draw me out. The edit he reverts ignores the plight of Native Americans and Asians in the US, who were affected along with African-Americans by prejudice, and also benefitted from the Civil Rights Movement. I wrote the original article, along with Mariskell; we discovered a dupe article later, and edited the two together. One of our list items was rewritten later, poorly IMO. I tidied it up. It got reverted. I changed it again. It got reverted with a nasty comment. And so on. &mdash; I don't need the hassles, and I don't think Wikipedia needs people with poor attitude, as this person continues to show. I could not find anything that simply explained how to report a personal attack, so I went this route. Zephyrad 10:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello, I'm Steve Caruso from the Association of Members' Advocates. I'm sorry to hear about your difficulties. I'm writing to inform you that we have recieved your request, and that we are currently in the process of finding you a suitable Advocate. You should be hearing from us soon. In the meantime, be sure to read through the AMA pages here at Wikipedia to get more aquainted with the process of Advocacy and what to expect. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page. :-) אמר Steve Caruso  ( desk / AMA )  11:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello Zephyrad. My name is Wikiwoohoo and I have been asked to help with the difficulties you are having. I have read the talk page for Second-class citizen and would like to have a full description of the problems you have been having; most importantly, if you could name the other user involved directly so that it can be confirmed who is involved in this dispute. This will then put me in the position of being able to contact them and involve them in the process or rectifying the problems experienced, as well as here both sides of the argument. It may be best if this was carried out via email (my email address has been activated on Wikipedia, or it is wikiwoohoo at hotmail dot co dot uk) or on here at my talk page, or your own. I hope that we can work towards getting a satisfactory conclusion to this dispute that both sides can amicably agree on. Wikiwoohoo 20:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Zephyrad. I was just hoping to confirm whether AMA help was still required in the situation you described to Steve Caruso. If you could let me know that would be great. Thanks. Wikiwoohoo 21:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Second-class citizen
Just wanted to let you know that I've just blocked Mike18xx for disruption, personal attacks and repeated incivillity. I believe I saw somewhere that Mike18xx said he'd prefer the page to be protected. Page protection is generally not used to deal with individual abusive editors. You continue working on the page as usual, and avoid paying attention to any form of bad attitude except to let the offender know about them. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 12:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind me saying but would the above message suggest you no longer require AMA assistance? Could you lat me know? Thank you. Wikiwoohoo 18:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I have only just noticed your message on my talk page. Has the situation been resolved for the time being with Mike18xx? I am very sorry to have not been able to help fully with your request but am more than willing to monitor the situation continuously once the user's 48 hour block is lifted. That is of course if you would like me to do so. Once again I am very sorry to have not been able to give my full support but would like to do so now. Wikiwoohoo 21:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I will monitor the situation for you. Unfortunately, as I am not an administrator, I am unable to initiate a block if Mike18xx returns to his style prior to the block put in place by Pablo D. Flores. I am glad that this has not dissuaded you from continuing to edit. Let me know if you need any further help with anything. Wikiwoohoo 21:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

AMA request update
Hello Zephyrad. I have monitored the Second class citizen page whilst I have been active on Wikipedia and would like to check whether you regard the situation to be at a satisfactory close or whether it is ongoing. Either way, I am still happy to monitor what happens. Wikiwoohoo 14:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I will be regarding your case as closed as it appears to have been solved over time. If you still feel there is an issue, please feel free to contact me by email or on my talk page and I will be happy to help you. Wikiwoohoo talk 19:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am glad that the situation has been resolved. The problem you have identified with Cybersongs however appears to be being dealt with currently by amongst others, Konstable. Cybersongs has been issued with a warning over his use of legal threats and also using original research and making personal attacks. If he continues, he will be blocked. I would therefore advise that you leave him to it, in the knowledge that he will be blocked if he continues his unacceptable behaviour especially since this has been brought to the adventure of administrators. I hope you will continue to edit on Wikipedia. Wikiwoohoo talk 17:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

34 Montagu Square
I´m surprised you took out the stairs on what is a very short article. It was unusual because most photos of it show the front door, which Ringo (and the others) didn´t use. It was an unusual arrangement, and didn´t look like a flat a Beatle would own. The stairs led down into the basement, which was the kitchen and servant´s quarters. --andreasegde 16:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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"Hoax"
Regarding this, the author got pretty mad over you calling it a "hoax" and threatened legal action on the talk page. Though it's no fault of yours of course, it's probably best to avoid using words "hoax" and "vanity" if there are other very good reason to have the page deleted.--Konst.able 06:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh don't worry about him, lots of people like that come up. They tend to think that Wikipedia=USA and that anyone who stops them from exercising their "free speech" here is in breach of their constitutional rights, or some trash like that.  He said something like "can I have his name, it's about time I sue him for defamation of my image".--Konst.able 11:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Apple Boutique
This is a Beatles-related article; as such, British spellings apply as per policy. "Elabourate" is thus the correct spelling. Zephyrad 00:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Err, yes, normally I'd agree, except the British spelling is also 'elaborate' and there is no such word as 'elabourate'. I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary to make sure. Cheers, CmdrObot 01:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia, Consensus, The Beatles and Project Policy
I was going to step away from this, since I was only going by the rules and I didn't want to get into a big dispute (especially with editors who I respect and have enjoyed working with), but recent events have brought me back.

The debate about naming the convention regarding the capitalisation or not of the letter "t" of the in t/The Beatles has been going on for a while. I have endured the snide remarks of a Twit, and have engaged in civil debate with some others who continued to question Project policy regarding the issue. I pointed out the need to establish a reasonable argument for their viewpoint over and above that of some professional knowledge so there could be a debate. When they did provide reasonable grounds for reopening the debate I used the offices of the Beatles Newsletter Issue 9:Issue of the Month to request comment, debate on the matter. There was no response. In the next Newsletter Issue 10:Issue of last Month I commented that there had been no response, and that the Project policy would be altered to use of the lowercase. Again, nobody other than the proponents responded. After a brief while I did as I said I would, and amended the Policy.

Belated reaction
The new Policy is not to the liking of some of the editors involved the the Beatles Project (as the previous one was not to others.) After the policy was implemented reasons and arguments for retaining the previous convention were given. Authorities were cited and some discussion was created. Very recently more than one editor has edited Beatles related articles specifically to reflect the previous policy.

My Comments
My preference is to capitalise the letter t of the in the Beatles.

Wikipedia has very few rules; two of the most important relate to consensus and verifiability.

WikiProject The Beatles has a specific area for the implementation (following debate and consensus) of Policy. The associate talkpage records the debate and the arguments used in reaching Policy decisions. The Project also maintains the principle of abiding by the rules that have been agreed, and the fundemental Wikipedia ethos of consensus.

My Observations
No recent discussion occurred when the matter of the use of lowercase or uppercase was notified in two Newsletters, other than between myself and the proponents of lowercase at the Policy talkpage. Since Policy implementation discussion has only occurred on the talkpages of concerned editors, or on the talkpages of some of the articles, and not at the Policy talkpage.

More than one editor has unilaterally decided to ignore the new Policy, going so far as to amend articles to reflect the previous convention.

My Conclusion(s)
The Beatles Project is being disrupted by editors who I personally know to be conscientious and dedicated contributors of long and good standing. In that there is now occurring what might be considered vandalism (the knowing altering of articles in a manner that is against Wikipedian and Project rules and policy), likely as a result of their strongly held views, I believe that this matter needs urgent addressing. I am copying this to the Policy talkpage, and to all the editors involved in formulating the new policy and the recent opponents. I suggest that this debate is taken there, and that this matter is decided in a civil manner in accordance with the principles of Wikipedia.

I am deeply saddened that it has come to this. I am depressed that editors (people) whose integrity and civility (not to say sheer fun) I had been proud to be associated with have acted in (what I see as) bad faith and flagrant disregard for the rules and guidelines of both Wikipedia and The Beatles Project. LessHeard vanU 00:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)