User talk:Zereshk/Archive1

Salam
Halet khobe?

I have also tried to make things less sunnis POV in wikipedia, but i gave it upp cuz im to bad in writing english and cuz they asssume that sunnis are wright, whitout even realizing it.

You have my support :)

--Striver 10:44, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Salam dobare :)

I havent looked at wikipedia in a while and are a bit disoriented regarding resent changes.

Is ther a particular article you would like me to look at and give my oppinions? --Striver 11:30, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Salam!

Im a having a go att Umar. Thought you might be intrested:)

--Striver 00:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi!

I need some help with Umar, care to take a look? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Umar_ibn_al-Khattab#Edits

--Striver 18:27, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please treat Wikipedia pages on Islamic topics for information about Islam to non-Muslims, and keep off the controversies, even in the talk pages. --Atif.Hussain

Welcome to wikipedia.
 * 1) "List of" pages are only for listing and should only contain a brief introduction and no images. I moved introductory text provided by you for List of universities in Iran to a new article Higher eduaction in Iran. I also removed links to images. Those images also are helpful in this new article. Please kindly review this new page and clean it up.
 * 2) Please use more informative titles for your images. Zanjan.jpg was about Tehran museum of contemporary arts. Or, Lorestan.jpg is too general for a university in Lorestan.

Hope you stay here for a long time and contibute more in topics pertatining to Iran and Iranians. --Pouya 19:08, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Images
You can use image tags to remove extensive gaps produced in pages when you added images, for instance (as of dec 23): Higher education in Iran, Qazvin (city), Yazd, Urmia and Shiraz, Iran. Please spare some time clean them up aesthetically. --Pouya 20:46, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image you added to Ahvaz is not necessary because
 * 1) There were no refernce to Chamran University in the text;
 * 2) It was an indoor scene with nothing to do with the campus. An outdoor scene is more preferable unless you put this image to the article on the university. --Pouya 21:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

IRIB
Hi,

Reading talk page of Roozbeh, I found out that you are a former IRIB editor. I thought it might be a good idea to ask you review and expand Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting based on your own knowledge and material you may have. Let me know if I can be of any help in this regard. --Pouya 23:21, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

University of Tennessee
Hello. Just wanted to say thank you for adding some color to the UT article. :) Welcome to Wikipedia!  -- Basileus 02:06, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Iran Air Flight 655
Hi,

Thanks for your reply, and thanks for contributions to Iran-Iraq war.

There is a discussion on Iran Air Flight 655, and there is claims that it's not NPOV and one user (User:N328KF) insists on adding comments regarding unintentionality in the accident. I saw it POV because this is only claimed by the US authorities and it's already mentioned under their stance. Since I'm one of those accused of trying to make the article POV, I'd like to invite you to take a look at the dispute going on in Talk:Iran Air Flight 655.

Good luck! --Pouya 12:15, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Your caption for the image on Iran Air Flight 655 reads: "The USS Vincennes mistook an Iran Air passenger aircraft similar to this Iran Air Airbus A300 for an F-14 fighter, killing all 290 passengers on board with missiles." This is in fact the US explanation for the incident and is against our NPOV policy bacuase there are other theories regarding the intentional firing. I suggest that it should be simply replaced with "The USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air passenger aircraft similar to this Iran Air Airbus A300, killing all 290 passengers on board with missiles." --Pouya 08:45, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

- Hi, I just wanted to congratulate you on your latest additions to Wikipedia. I did a little formatting but they are really great, and fascinating. Keep up the great work. I hope you stick around. Danny 02:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Images of Iran Iraq war
Several of the picture you put into the Iran Iraq war article appear to be copyright of the Iran Chamber Society. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/iran_iraq_war/war_pictures/war_pictures.php

Could you comment on this ? Thanks!

Refdoc 21:01, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Iranchamber Society does not own the copyrights to the those images. Nor does anybody else. Those images are Public Domain, because:


 * 1) Almost all the war images on the web come from Iranian government organizations during the 80s that freely distributed the images during the war. (setaad e tablighaat e jang e tahmeelee, Ravaabet e omoomi e niroohaaye moghaavemat e Baseej, etc).
 * 2) As an illustration to this claim: the exact same pictures are found on IRNA's website as well: http://www.irna.ir/occasion/defence/art/galery.html
 * 3) This weebsite from Qom even clearly says that the pictures (which Iranchamber claims copyright to) are public domain: http://www.sabokbalan.net/ See here: http://www.sabokbalan.net/4images/categories.php?cat_id=106 for examples.
 * 4) I know of 2 or 3 other baseej websites that use the pictures as well.

I think Iranchamber.com meant to say that their "website" is copyrighted. Not the images they have used. Iranchamber.com did not buy the copyrights of any of those images from the Baseej. The images were already Public Domain and freely being used 15 years before Iran chamber even came into existence. --Zereshk 01:41, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. Refdoc 08:30, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Persia
Thank you so much for your many mighty contributions to the Persia article. You've made it, well, good. I'm glad that the page is finally getting the treatment it deserves. Fishal 15:57, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, I appreciate how courteous you've been regarding all this. But you don't have to keep calling the Persia article "my page."  I wrote a bunch of it, and I realize it was faulty and incomplete.  Do whatever it takes to make it better, even if that means mangling some of my words.  You can't feel protevtive of the words you write on a site like this.  Fishal 18:18, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. By "your page" I meant "the page that you started". After all, you do deserve the credit.--Zereshk 18:33, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Persian dynasties etc
It is a template. You would need to find the template page and edit it, automatically all kings/dynasties will appear on all pages which use the template. I tried to find the page, but as at the moment the search is partially disabled and otherwise very slow, I was unsuccessful. Hope this helps. Refdoc 08:16, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Update: It is Template:Iran which you would have to edit. But be careful. I did introduce these dynasties on anotehr page a while back and run into a nasty edit warrior. Refdoc 08:24, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

reverting vandalism
Simple, go into history, choose an undiseased version, choose "edit and save with a comment "r/v vandalism" or some such. You will get a few warnings along teh way re editing an out-of-date version etc, but simply ignore these. Refdoc 00:03, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions to Omar Khayyám
...and especially for the great picture of the tomb! Special thanks from my 7- and 5- year old sons, whom I have exposed to some of his verses (in Russian translation). BACbKA 19:35, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Youre welcome.--Zereshk 05:45, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Damavand.jpg
Hi. You uploaded Image:Damavand.jpg and claimed fair use but did not provide details as to why you are making that claim. Fair use REQUIRES you state your reasons for the claim. I found the image on a couple other sites but could not locate exact copyright info. Please explain your reasons for claiming fair use on the image description page. Thanks. RedWolf 06:46, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * similarly, you didn't give any source for Image:Zartosht.jpg. this makes it impossible to evaluate your claim that it is in the public domain, and without any context (painter, date) the is image pretty much just a random drawing of a man with a turban and not encyclopedic. regards, dab (ᛏ) 09:50, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * you have much improved the caption already, thanks. We can attempt to use it under "fair use" I suppose. I would still much prefer an image that cat actually be attributed/dated (preferably a historical one), but I see it's notoriously difficult to find images of Z with any captions. regards, dab (ᛏ) 15:10, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Moving rather than copy/past
Hi,

I noticed that you made Parvin Etesami a redirect page to Parvin E'tesami. But note that it's preferable that you use move button to move a page to another name. In this way the history page is also transfered and the initial page is automatically made a redirect page to the destination. Good luck! --Pouya 19:53, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Quake
2005 Zarand earthquake. --Pouya 23:44, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I see that the nitwit 80.58.11.107 keeps vandalizing the page.--Zereshk 15:58, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ilam province
Hi. Nice work on Ilam province. Our coverage of Iran's geography is woefully thin, so it's great to see things getting fleshed out so well. Only another 29 provinces to do :) -- John Fader 19:31, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Salaam-e dobareh!
Hi Nima,

It's great that you started working on your user page. --Pouya 20:37, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The book on Iran-Iraq War
Hi there,

Thanks for your detailed massage on the book I added to Iran-Iraq War. In fact I came across this book while searching for documents on Iran Air Flight 655. The incident is mentioned on chapters 10 and 14 and I only quickly read those parts. But if you see that this book is too POV to be mentioned as a reference in wikipedia, you can remove it or if you like I can remove it. This way there will be no objection toward your action. Anyhow, since I'm a bit busy these days I cannot read all the book, but your excerpts was quite revealing. May in nowrouz I can spare some time for this book and more time to Wikipedia in general.

Again for thousandth time, thank you very much for your great contributions, especially in Iran-related topics.

Eradatmand, --Pouya 20:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Ardabil.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --Ellmist 04:18, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Also: --Ellmist 05:02, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Image:Ardeshir1.jpg
 * Image:Azadi.jpg
 * Image:Azadi2.jpg

Saadi
Please have a look at the Saadi article. I think there are two "translations" of the same poem quoted as two distinct poems. But I could be wrong. Refdoc 23:28, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * You are correct Refdoc, it seems to be two different translations of the same poem. I didnt catch that. How should we clean it up? Perhaps pick the better version?--Zereshk 01:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pick the better one. But I am not entirely sure which one this would be. Make the choice. If it is the first one, add a sentence to the effect "The same poem in a slightly different translation is used to decorate the entrance hall of the UN building... Refdoc 08:55, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ray
I saw your conflict with User:Martin2000 It appears he is identical with User:Amir1. Refdoc 10:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IranCommando.jpg listed for deletion
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Iranarmedforces.jpg listed for deletion
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Iranian Americans
Hi, Check out this list, I believe it'll be intresting for you! List of Iranian Americans--Sina 11:18, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Persians and Culture of Iran
It seems we have had a miscommunication.... Once again, we had different ideas about where certain things should go. It seems that at the exact moment you were moving all your information on Persian culture to Culture of Iran, I was in the process of moving it to Persians. Now where do you think it should go? Fishal 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

St. Judes
Hi Zereshk. Just to let you know. I, so that I could use it on the de:Memphis (Tennessee) articles as well. -- Zeitgeist 11:56, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)== Eid-e Mobarak ==

Salaam va eid-e nowruz mobarak! Refdoc 09:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)*agha eidet mobarak!--Sina 20:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The origin of the name California
Do you have a reputable source for that (for example, a book or journal among the millions of items in the University of California library system)? That's a very creative theory but I've never seen that one before---and my major as an undergraduate was history!

--Coolcaesar 22:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, I just ran some Google searches. Of the four things returned for "California land of the caliph," three were non sequiturs (California just happened to be used on the same Web page as "land of the caliph," but with no connection between the two) and the fourth was a transcription of the ramblings of a homeless man in San Francisco. So unless you know of some really obscure scholarly work that's never been mentioned at all on the Web, you're going out on a limb.

--Coolcaesar 22:37, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Memphis2.jpg
Can you provide documentation that API Cine/Photographers, Inc. has granted permission for this image to be used freely as long as it is for "informational purposes"? I can find no such notice on the Memphis Regional Chamber website. Kaldari 00:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Farsi Speaker Tag
ُُسلام نيمه اسمي مان يوسف است

As you can probably tell by the way I have likely butchered at least one of those spellings, on a scale of 1-10, my knowledge of Persian is a "one." My typing method on the Farsi keyboard is still at the "hunt-and-peck" stage. I'm learning from a "teach yourself" course since there isn't a Farsi course available at my university. I'm utterly incapable of doing an serious contributing to Wikipedia in Farsi. That's where you come in. I want to make a template for Farsi like this one for English. It will help identify Farsi speakers, segregate them by proficiency level, and provide a centralized place for people to find people to help when they have a question or want to request translation, etc.

If you can translate these phrases into proper Farsi for me, I can do the rest (actually, this is the hardest part, but I can still do the rest of the work myself):

This user is a native speaker of Farsi.

This user has a *basic* knowledge of Farsi.

This user has an *intermediate* knowledge of Farsi.

This user has an *advanced* or fluent knowledge of Farsi.

If you do this, please put an asterisk next to the Farsi equivalent of the asterisked English word, because I will need to format it a bit diffrently for the template. If you're too busy, I understand (I wouldn't want to be responsible for distracting you and causing a nuclear accident!) Just let me know at my user page either way, and I'll bother somebody else if you can't do it ;)  Thanks!  --Jpbrenna 20:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Farsi Speaker Template 0.1

 * It's at commons until I get all the bugs tweaked out, then I'll copy it to Wikipedia
 * That's Level 1
 * Level 2
 * Level 3 is proving a bit tricky. I'm working on it.

[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_fa-3 Νο. 3, how does it look? -- aside from "ast" being forced over to the wrong side, which I'm going to have to work on.]

2.0
Ok, other than the offset "ast" issue, and the translations below, everything is all set. I just need: "...with subcategories..." (this will be in between a Latin-alphabet category tag and its three subcat tags)

"Use the following templates on your user page:"

Once I've got that, I think I'll start copying the tags here to Wikipedia. The "ast problem" is tricky, and I think I'm just going to have to tinker. Unfortunately, I have no right-to-left examples to follow: There is no Arabic Babel yet, and the Hebrew Babel hasn't reached the sophisticated in-text linking stage. So I think I'm going to pull a Microsoft and just release it as is, and figure out the fix later ;)

Hi, About your message in the Persian wikipedia:
 * با درود.

یک نکته*: در یک جمله انگلیسی کاری نادرست و آسیب‌رسان به زبان ما و وجهه آنست. (برای آگاهی بیشتر این نوشتار را بخوانید: .) برابرهای فارسی آن دو واژه از این قرار است:
 * کاربرد واژه
 * farsi
 * بجای
 * Persian
 * "template": قالب
 * "sub category": زیررده

شاد و سربلند باشید. --ماني ۲۲:۵۳, ۱۶ آوریل ۲۰۰۵ (UTC)

Looks great to me.--Zereshk 02:56, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Announcement of the Academy of the Persian Language regarding the name of the Persian language
The Language of the nation of Iran [Persia] in English is called Persian [or in other European languages: Persane, Persisch, Persa, Persiska, etc.] and is known worldwide as PERSIAN. Recently some Iranians [Persians] have been trying to use "Farsi" instead of Persian, the trend which has also been followed by some non-Iranians. This has occurred to the extent that it has raised the question "Which is the correct word, in English, for the language of Iran's people, Persian or Farsi?!..." This question was put to the official institution FARHANGESTAN (Persian Language and Literature Academy in Tehran) by the Commerce Department for Australia, at Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In their 34th meeting on 7th of December 1992, the Persian Academy unanimously passed the resolution that this language must be called PERSIAN and the reasons given were:

1- PERSIAN has been used in a variety of publications including cultural, scientific and diplomatic documents for centuries and, therefore, it connotes a very significant historical and cultural meaning. Hence, changing PERSIAN to FARSI is to negate this established important precedence.

2- Changing PERSIAN to FARSI may give the impression that it is a new language, and this may well be the intention of some Farsi users.

3- It may also give the impression that FARSI is a dialect of some parts of Iran and not the predominant (official) language of this country.

4- Fortunately, FARSI has never been used in any research paper or university document in any Western language and the proposal of its usage will create doubt and ambiguity about the name of the official language of our country.


 * acknowledged.--Zereshk 01:33, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Memphis1.jpg
Please provide source information for this image, otherwise it may be deleted. Kaldari 23:42, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

H. A. R. Gibb
Zeressk: Would you review these few paragraphs written by Professor H. A. R. Gibb and comment on them for me. It was published in 1939 in Arnold Toynbee's A Study of History and basically is a minority position within the British Royal Institute of International Affairs about their understanding of Shi'a Islam at that time. thx. nobs Note by Professor H.A. R. Gibb

IMPORTANT!!!
Samalek, I'm currently working on a large website on Iran and I was just wandering if you were intrested in helping us, since you know a lot about our great country. Email me, if you are intrested. --Aytakin 00:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Give me more details, if you can.--Zereshk 00:41, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, It is called Iran club (or Bashgahe Iran) and its a website for Iranians. It will have everything from music, movies, a 24/7 radio and all entertainments, to a very detailed history section and other important information. And I have seen how hard working and knowledgable about Iran you are and I wanted to see if you wanted to help us but sharing your information on Iran and by helping us grow the website. And it is your decision which section you want to help us on. If you email me and send me your email address, I can send you the website'ss template to help with your decision.

Thank you very much for your time --Aytakin 02:12, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please stop uploading images without source information
I have noticed that you often upload images to Wikipedia which are not in the public domain and for which you do not own the copyright. In these cases, permission must be explicitly granted from the copyright holder to license the images under the GFDL. Otherwise Wikipedia, and whoever else uses Wikipedia content, are in violation of copyright laws. When you upload an image, make sure you own the image, or that it is in the public domain, or that the copyright holder has agreed to license it under the GFDL. Always note the image's copyright status on the image description page using one of the image copyright tags, and give additional information about the origin of the image. Otherwise, you are creating a lot of unneccessary work for other Wikipedia editors who must research the copyright status of these images. If you do obtain permission to license from a copyright holder, be sure to note that on the image description page and provide some type of documentation. Thanks. Kaldari 16:52, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * >The vast majority of photos I upload were either photographed by me, or the organization I work for.
 * Thanks for clarifying that. Please make sure to note this explicitly in each photo's decription. For example, "Photographed by Zereshk, 4/2/2005. Permission granted by photographer to license under GFDL." This way other editors can be sure the image is safe to use in Wikipedia articles. Also, declaring a photo to be "free for display, if used for informational purposes" is not compatible with the GFDL. Being licensed under the GFDL means the photo must be freely available for all purposes including commercial reuse. This is an important caveat since many commercial sites reuse Wikipedia content.
 * Also, I am specifically interested in the source information for Image:San_Antonio_downtown.jpg and Image:Memphis1.jpg. If you took these photographs or know where they came from, please make a note of it on the photo description pages. Sorry if I sound like I'm being overly anal about the issue, but as part of the work on Wikiproject Cities, I'm trying to make sure that all of the images in city articles have copyright clearance. Thanks for your help on this! Kaldari 23:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ahwaz
I noticed that you have taken down a link to the British Ahwazi Friendship Society (www.ahwaz.org.uk) on the page on Ahwaz, claiming that this is not related to Ahwaz and is a Saudi-funded secessionist site.

I cannot see any relationship between this organisation and Saudi Arabia. It is run by Ahwazi groups in exile from Iran. It may have a different opinion to you on Ahwaz, but that does not mean it deserves to be omitted.


 * The page is about Ahvaz and Khuzestan, not pro-Ahwazi-secessionist movements in Britain. The link you are pasting in the article is not even based in Khuzestan.


 * The group is not Iranian, simply because they claim Iran to have "occupied Khuzestan in 1925". A view far from and devoid of any historical fact.--Zereshk 21:26, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pahlavi & Borujerdi
When you get a chance, could you take a look at the work I've done on the Pahlavi and Grand Ayatollah Borujerdi articles? I'm especially concerned to know if I spelled "Borujerdi" correctly in Persian. Mamnoon! --Jpbrenna 23:17, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I checked the Borujrdi page. Give me some time for the Pahlavi page.--Zereshk 00:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Khuzestan and related pages
Dorood bar shoma. Thank you very much for the greetings and compliment, but I'd have to say that you're the one who did all of the hard work in carefully researching and providing references for the Ahvaz page, which already was accurate to begin with, as well as greatly expanding the Khuzestan page, whereas it hadn't been much before. I certainly hope you continue with your excellent work on these Iran-related and other Wikipedia articles. SouthernComfort 15:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Persian Corridor
I was wondering if you could take a look at the Persian Corridor article I've been working on, especially at the sections dealing with internal Iranian politics (I excerpted the story of Reza Shah's overthrow from the Reza Shah article with slight modifications and additions) and city names (one of the sources I'm using has non-standard transliterations and I'm not sure if I have them all right). Thanks for any help you can give! --Jpbrenna 20:46, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Takht-e Soleyman
Hey Zereshek, would you do me a favour gathering some information and pics for my Takht-e Soleyman article please ? thanks for your help ! Amir85 NO TIME

Khuzestan
Zereshk, it appears that Zora has declared her intention to place NPOV tags on the Khuzestan pages once again and to take it upon herself to 'rewrite' the articles in order to fit her idea of what is NPOV, and then go to RFC if we attempt to put a stop to her revisionism (this is assuming she will continue in her revisionist attempts). I feel that since the pages are NPOV as they are already and that since there is no controversy except what is in her own mind, that we should go directly to RFC ourselves and have this matter settled ASAP, because quite frankly I am tired of having to deal with this blatant denial of history again and again. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a compendium of disinformation. On top of all this, we are in the right, after all, and our contributions have adhered to NPOV guidelines and all the sources and references have been noted. What do you think? SouthernComfort 01:18, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Afsharid dynasty
Hi, I wanted to ask for your help in fixing up the Afsharid dynasty site. I have already added a few informations but i think it could use more. Please post me a message--Pedram

Afsharid dynasty
Hi, I wanted to ask for your help in fixing up the Afsharid dynasty site. I have already added a few informations but i think it could use more. Please post me a message--Pedram 11:25 Pm ET, 15 May 2005

Ahvaz
Zereshk khan,

Kojah budee, agha? Pedaram daramadeh az in jaryanat. Tanha, adam heech karee nemesheh kad beduneh komahk. Vaghan, in zanikeh devahnast, na? Beh Roozbeh goftam keh beyaht yeh negayekoneh, vali nemekhast "involved" besheh. Yeh message imrooz barayeh Pouya gozashtam. This whole situation is absurd, wouldn't you say? SouthernComfort 03:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Dammit garm, agha! And welcome back. To be perfectly honest, no matter how many references you provide, Zora will continue to attack them (and us, for that matter). I spent plenty of time in the university library verifying all the information in these articles, and I've found nothing wrong or incorrect. Every single Iran scholar, from Frye to Olmstead, all confirm this data. For her to even suggest that this data is incorrect or not factual is tantamount to not only revisionism, but crosses over dangerously into out-and-out denial of history. The stupid thing is, if it weren't for users like us, she could actually get away with this for a good while since there either isn't enough interest with regards to Iran-related articles, or (more likely) there aren't enough users out there educated in the subject, or willing to pay a visit to the library or whatever.


 * On top of which, we have lives, unlike her it seems, and we can't be expected to be at the computer all the time to prevent her from committing vandalism. Nehmedonam az kodum jahehnam in omadeh. Torahkhoda behgoo, cherah beh mah chaspedeh in hayvaneh devooneh? Man tahalah yekee nadedam keh inghad zedeh Iran basheh - khak barsaresh, khoda zaleelesh koneh. It's good to hear that you'll be visiting Iran. I'm going to try to make it there myself later this summer if I can finish up with work. Heechee mesleh aboh havayeh Iran, va mellateh khodehmooni tuh in dunya neest, dohrost meegam ya nah? ;) SouthernComfort 07:42, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright violations
I have found that you are removing copyright violation messages from pages. This is considered vandalism by Wikipedia policies. Please read the copyvio message exactly, and if you wish to rewrite the article, please do so according to the copyright violation message, using the "temporary subpage". Also, please make sure you don't violate copyrights again. Your articles on Choqa Zanbil and Takht-e Soleyman are clearly copyright violations. roozbeh 14:29, May 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * Please remove the Copyright tags User:Roozbeh put on Shush Castle and Takht-e Soleyman, and restore the original page.


 * Iranian websites are not protected under International copyright laws. Iran is not a member of WTO, nor a signatory to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works.   (see list here), and does not adhere to International Copyright laws itself. Iran  officially copies and distributes pirated copies of Microsoft Products, Hollywood Movies, and various Published material. Wikipedia (an American company) cannot be held responsible for anything even if something was copied from a government website from Iran. --Zereshk 19:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with your reasoning, but would you explain how is UNESCO (, your source for Takht-e Soleyman) is an Iranian website? roozbeh 11:26, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

As youve noticed, I re-wrote that particular page excluding the copied parts. So it shouldnt matter anyway.--Zereshk 13:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

LGBT Iranian Art at Commons, or Mistaken Identity?
They have this image listed at Commons as an example of homosexual art. Do you see two homosexual lovers there, or man and a woman? I see a woman. The kneeling figure in brown being embraced has the clear outline of a breast protruding above the man's arm. It seems similar to the portait I have on my userpage, which I was under the impression was a man giving wine to a female kamancheh player (please correct me if I'm wrong!) I can't read the stylized Persian writing though, so I was wondering if you could weigh in? --Jpbrenna 23:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Zereshk, if you have time please see Shah Abbas and see if the title of the painting listed as Shah Abbas and the wine boy is actually entitled that. I contacted the Reza Abbasi Museum and they had never heard of this title (the English title, that is. I have no idea what the Persian title is). The Reza Abbasi article also contained major errors which I corrected. SouthernComfort 02:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * All you had to do was ask. The painting is titled "Portrait of Shah Abbas I" in a post card published by - and sold in - the Louvre. It is titled "Shah Abbas with a page" in James Saslow's "Pictures and Passions" (p. 147), and in Louis Crompton's "Homosexuality and Civilization" (p. 171). You will also find it here with a reference as to the source. That he is a wine boy is obvious, just like it is obvious that the hair on the shah's face is a mustache. It is likewise obvious that the shah is embracing the boy. As for references to the ancient Persian tradition of male love, the "bache bazi" as they call it (or "shahid bazi" as the Sufis call it), I suggest a close reading of Sa'adi's "Gulestan" or of the tent-maker's "Rubaiyat" or of the ghazals of the man from Shiraz. You know him - Hafez.
 * Saslow provides the translation of the calligraphic inscription (on p. 146) which is being used in the Wikipedia under the US fair use law (as the book was published in New York and is thus subject to US law).
 * As for Abbasi's painting titled "Two lovers", it appears in Crompton's book on p. 173, as an example of homosexuality in Persian art. I agree with you that it is ambiguous, and I had doubts about it myself. But the decision rests with the published art critics, not with you or me.
 * I am disappointed that you and SouthernComfort and Jpbrenna saw fit to revise my work without the benefit of an elementary notice, especially as I had previously left a message on SouthernComfort's talk page only to see it not only not answered but actually deleted(!). The best that can be said for your contributions in this matter is that they seem well intentioned. They are not, however, well informed. In the future, please investigate these matters further before acting on your instincts and conventional wisdom. I assume that I can count on you and your friends to revert the artwork deletions. Regards, Haiduc 03:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Re:Shush Castle
Hi Zereshk - I don't really know enough about the copyright situation to be able to judge who's in the right and who's in the wrong over the Shush Castle article. I've added a note to the talk page of Wikipedia:Copyright problems - hopefully someone there will be able to sort out what is going wrong (and, with any luck, restore the article). This sort of thing is a problem when other websites take Wikipedia articles without crediting Wikipedia, though, so it wouldn't be a surprise if that is what's happened. Grutness...  wha?  06:00, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Even if we ignore that, the fact remains that Wikipedia is not under any obligation to observe copyrights from websites whose domain and origin is strictly in Iran. Iran officially does not abide by International copyright policies, as they are not members of the WTO or Berne Treaties. All government and commercial websites made in Iran are made using pirated software, such as MS Windows. They screen, reproduce, and distribute intellectual property without any permission. The opposite also holds. Wikipedia in this case is not legally obligated.--Zereshk 13:37, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Mmmm. I wouldn't guarantee that. Iranian websites might not onbserve copyright, but Wikipedia does. And if we take stuff from Iranian websites which have taken stuff from websites not in Iran, then technically we may still be liable. I'm no lawyer, but I suspect it would be similar to cases where a person can be arrested for receiving stolen goods even when he didn't steal them himself. Grutness...  wha?  11:11, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

I guess we'll just then have to make sure the origin of the text is from Iran.--Zereshk 17:26, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be better to just rewrite the info? That needn't take too long, and it's more honest. Zora 19:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


 * more honest. Quite. This is fairly cynically exploiting a loophole in the copyright system. Whatever Iran may do, I think it's ethical to behave consistently on the matter of reproducing material, and treat Iran-sourced material as if copyright applied. RayGirvan 03:40, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I can help rewrite the article if needed. Let me know. I would just like that copyvio notice removed and at least a stub put in place in the meantime. I'm referring to Chogha Zanbil mind you. But I can help with Shush Castle as well. SouthernComfort 07:06, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

List of Arab scientists
Just send the list to yuber07@gmail.com, thanks.Yuber(talk) 05:06, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, I haven't received it yet, maybe you didn't see this message...

BCE/CE
Zereshk khan, in trying to help raise awareness of this issue, especially as it pertains to Iranian history, I would like to request that when you edit articles dealing with ancient Iranian history, to please adhere to BCE (instead of BC) and CE (instead of AD), if the content is not already adhering to the Common Era standard. This way we are not imposing archaic and outmoded Christian terminology upon our history. It may seem trivial, but believe me, when you study the issue in depth, you begin to see the underlying implications. Khayli mamnoon agha. SouthernComfort 07:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

List of kings of Persia
Please see the above article and it's discussion. Two British and/or Australian users are intent upon continuing the imposition of 'BC/AD' (Christian POV terms) upon Iranian (and obviously non-Christian) chronology. BCE/CE is the most NPOV terminology that can be used in place of BC/AD (the latter of which automatically assumes acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior on the part of the reader.) SouthernComfort 14:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Kindly disregard my previous request for input. Communicating with User:Jguk is pointless. He insists on reverting back to BC/AD and imposing the Christian POV on Iran-related articles. If you choose to get involved, I would strongly advise to limit your communication with him as he will intentionally provoke and harass you in a vain effort to have you banned. I'll understand if you want to stay out of this. SouthernComfort 16:27, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

The Modern Persian Scientist List
Yes, alphabetizing was a chore, but it was worth it. Now all people have to do is write articles for all these people! Evertype 23:17, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

Ahvaz and Khuzestan
Zora once again vandalized the pages. Keep an eye out. SouthernComfort 06:47, 22 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Agha Zereshk, what would these articles be without your hard work and dedication? I don't even wish to contemplate it! Thank you very much for expanding the history and clarifying things somewhat there. I have tried very hard to be diplomatic with Zora, and hopefully this will end whatever complaints she had. Though I'm not sure anymore after all this time. Anyway, much appreciated. SouthernComfort 22:56, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

It sickens me how people like her have absolutely no clue what cause they are supporting. My two cousins were hit by Iraqi chemical weapons, and I myself suffered a right leg paralysis, just to prove to that motherfucker Saddam Hussein that Khuzestan is not "Arabistan". And here we have Zora lecturing us about "Arabistan" after a million people died, including Khuzestani Arabs, just to prove the contrary. Kheili zooram meegeereh.

http://www.iranian.com/Features/2003/January/War/index.html

http://www.iranian.com/Arts/2001/December/Farid/index.html

http://www.iranian.com/Nov95/POW.html#Whippings

http://www.iranian.com/Salehi/2003/January/Coma/index.html

http://www.iranian.com/Abadan/2001/April/Shahrzad/index.html

--Zereshk 04:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Een ahmagheh mareeze keh hast. Velesh kon. Man khodam degeh mahaleh sagesh nimizaram. Hardafeh keh karkharabee kad, dorostesh meekoneem. Een fehkrkad bah kee mehkhat taraf beyat? Dahaneshoh service meekoneem tah sahreshoh behzaneh beh deevar. Shomah faqhat bahyat khoonet sard bahsheh rajehbeh een jaryan. Beekhyal. SouthernComfort 22:44, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

To do list for Cyrus II
Zereshk: Could you please check the To Do list Jpbrenna has put together at Talk: Cyrus II of Persia. There is a question about Persian language. Sunray 16:59, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

complaint against Jguk
Please look here. You may have a useful comment, or may want to become involved. Slrubenstein  |  Talk  20:00, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Back-channel communication
Zereshk, I understand that you're hurting. So am I. However, rather than discuss it in public, would you be willing to give me an email address? Don't publish it here -- I'll take the first step and give you mine: lofstrom@lava.net. If you send me an email, fine. If not, I'll get back to you tomorrow on your talk page. Zora 05:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Zereshk jan
Leave that broad alone, she wont change.Dont waste your precious time on responding her.We have a very important obligation and that is prove our history to those westerners whom think that the free world and democracy is because of only Greeks and Romans and to a lower extent Egyptian and Persians were merely enemies of their civilazations and western world (Asiatic cultures were inferior to european cultures ) Amir85 5:30, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Chogha Zanbil
Zereshk, I deleted the copyvio notice and put in a basic stub. Was Roozbeh's complaint towards just the text or are the photos okay? SouthernComfort 11:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

BCE/CE
Zereshk khan, lutfan vahktee article meebeenee keh revert shood beh BC/AD, aval revert kon beh BCE/CE qablaz edit meekonee. Eenah meekhan kahramoh kharab konan va sakht geeree konan rajabeh een jaryan. Mamnoon va sharmandeh. SouthernComfort 13:08, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: website
Don't worry about it. I know what your going through. Just get back to me, whenever you can. Bye --Aytakin 20:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Tehran univ.gif listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Tehran univ.gif, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —MetsBot 19:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Taq-e Bostan
Take a look at Taq-e Bostan. Add some contents to it if you have any, please. Amir85 6:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Ahvaz (again)
I hope you had a nice flight and that things are going well over there. I was away on vacation myself for the last three days. But this situation with Zora does not seem like its going to end anytime soon as evidenced by her recent comments on Talk:Ahvaz. Lahnati vaghan mareezeh. SouthernComfort 14:17, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Khuzestan
Zora again deleted almost the entire Khuzestan article. Please keep an eye on it. Unless we go to arbitration (and there is plenty of evidence against her), she will most likely continue with this for who knows how long. SouthernComfort 00:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. I can only think of the feeling of being in Tehran at this time of year. Another month and a half (!). At Miras Farhangi, if you are able, it would be great if you could see what they have on Shiraz, Shushtar, Ramhormoz, and Pol-e-Dokhtar. As for photos, if you're interested, perhaps a few of the parks and squares and such, as those seem to be lacking in WP at the moment (as well as many of the articles, which I hope to start on soon). Also if you have a chance a photo of the Imam Zadeh shrine (Agha Zadeh Saleh) at Tajrish Square would be nice (the article on this is lacking). Once I'm there I can help a great deal in this area as WP is still greatly lacking in all these articles, in regards to areas and historic/cultural sites in major cities like Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, and so on. SouthernComfort 05:41, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sheikh Jabir, Maz'al, Khaz'al, the Bani Kaab and Msha’sha’iya
Khasteh nabashi. Greatly appreciate all your hard work. I plan on slowly expanding information on the above subjects, and if you have time, I would appreciate if you could help with these as well. Particuarly with the latter (Msha’sha’iya), I am having great difficulty in finding verifiable data. Also the article on Arabs of Khuzestan needs to be slowly expanded as well, as each of these tribes has a history. I believe Iranica covers some of the tribes, but not all - the Bani Kaab, for example, are not really detailed in Iranica, I don't think. Anyway, whatever you can contribute would be appreciated as the more we expand on these details, the more accurate the article becomes. Khayli mamnoon. SouthernComfort 21:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Just finished expanding Sheikh Khaz'al. Feel free to add anything I left out. SouthernComfort 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Just added information regarding the Msha'sha'iya to Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. Feel free to add. Will be researching this area further as I'm curious as to ibn Falah's exact spiritual ideology. SouthernComfort 05:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * BTW, what are your thoughts on Arabs of Khuzestan? The wording I have used there in the time being states that they are indigenous, but obviously the Bani Kaab are not (they were also in conflict with the Bahraini tribes as well). My understanding is that some of them are, since some of these tribes have pre-Arab Semitic roots, perhaps originating from Bahrain. Obviously delving into this sort of speculation is unnecessary, and accuracy in this area is especially important, so what do you suggest? SouthernComfort 09:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I heard about what happened after the victory over Bahrain, and what with the upcoming "elections" and the natural frustrations of the people, it's going to be interesting to see where this will lead. Did you hear about what Rafsanjani's daughter has been doing? She has this huge mansion and she just built this wide, elaborate pool with an underwater garden and other such absurdities. What a joke. Anyway, concerning the Khuzestan articles, I seriously appreciate all that you've been doing, especially with the etymology research (and all this during your vacation!), and whatever else you can add would be great. You can also send me a list of titles which I can read up on once I'm there if you don't have time. Also if there are reference materials in Arabic that you can give me the titles of, that is definitely not a problem as I can have those translated very easily. I'm going to be taking a lot of photos of Khuzestan as well as gathering more data while I'm there for expanding the city/town/village stubs, and hopefully wrap all this up by the time I return as we'd both like to focus our efforts entirely on other Iran articles in dire need of expansion. SouthernComfort 21:39, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Imam Zadeh Saleh
Perfect. I started a stub over at Imam Zadeh Saleh and added a link on Tehran (attractions list). SouthernComfort 07:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mohammad Ali Eslami Nadooshan
Hi Zereshk. Do you know if Mohammad Ali Eslami Nadooshan is notable? And if this article is good enough to translate/transfer to fa:? - Mustafaa 23:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Khuzestan
Check out Zora's comments on Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan. Now that the issue of etymology has been successfully closed, she has chosen to condemn all my recent edits. She refuses to accept Ahmad Kasravi as a source. She demands that links be made to History of Khuzestan - which she created in order to delete the history section in the Khuzestan article - and which is filled with numerous errors, inaccuracies, and not to mention lack of references which she always seems to demand. Now she is trying to get her admin friends involved once again. All this, along with her distinct lack of knowledge in these subjects and apparent animosity towards Iranians. She's even condemned as us racists! What the hell?

I greatly appreciate your offer, and if I make it to Tehran in time (I'm guessing you are spending the whole summer there?) I may take you up on it. I plan on getting as many texts professionally translated (fortunately in Iran this doesn't cost too much) and to make as much of the data available on WP as possible to finally put an end to this madness. Even if I were to get sources from Iranian Arab writers themselves, she would probably refuse them as well. It's very frustrating, and we've been dealing with this for over two months now with no end in sight. SouthernComfort 07:21, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Khayli mamnoon. I'll add this to my list and also maybe the author has written on Khuzestan as well, like Kasravi. Did you hear about what happened in Ahvaz? SouthernComfort 05:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Things are really beginning to heat up there. Do you listen to Radio Farda? There is a lot of talk, as usual, but they're also saying the same things, with the Ansar-e Hezbollah being very active and such. But this is typical. Every year, whether on religious holidays or during special events, they always throw these motorcycle gangs into the streets to harass people. It's happened to me on a number of occasions, especially when I'm with a girl (bad news, especially when they ask for a goddamn marriage certificate!). It's not pleasant at all. SouthernComfort 09:01, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

YOUR HELP IS NEEDED
PLEASE HELP ME ADD SOME INFORMATION TO THESE LINKS--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List of Iranians THANX!! Pedram-e 22:50, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ansari dissertation rec'd, corrections coming soon
I just got my copy of a 1974 U of Chicago dissertaton on Khuzestani history -- I haven't finished reading, but it seems that there's a much more complex narrative than I ever could have imagined. When I have time, I'll rewrite the relevant sections in History of Khuzestan. Zora 02:01, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Articles
Hello, your articles on Iranian/Middle Eastern scientists/physicians are greatly appreciated. However, if I could ask one favor, it would be to categorize them as a bio-stub instead of a simple stub, just put //bio-stub// and replace the /'s with these brackets: {. it makes categorization of stubs for expansion much easier and better.Thanks -CunningLinguist 11:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Elamite Empire
Please see Talk:Elamite Empire. I am not even a primary contributor to that article and I am being accused by Zora of having claimed that the Elamites were Persian and that I am using this claim to somehow "prove" that Khuzestan is Iranian! Can you believe this? SouthernComfort 23:28, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Looks like Zora's crusade has now extended to this article as she recently deleted your edits and accused the historians listed as being 'nationalist.' It's like the Shi'a and Khuzestan article all over again. SouthernComfort 08:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Huz-ahwaz
Zereshk,

I should have said something straight out. As soon as Mustafaa confirmed that Ahwaaz was the Arabic plural of Huz, I realized that the word IS the Arabic plural form of Huz-Khuz-Khuzi, etc. Neither you nor SC had explained it that way. Perhaps you both assumed that I knew Arabic broken plurals?

You'll also note that I immediately added the bit re the late Sassanid citation for Khuzestan as soon as I found it in the Daryaee book.

Sometimes I say cranky things because I'm so TIRED of the endless controversy. I'm sorry for the times I've lost my temper. But I hope that you recognize that I'm trying to puzzle out the truth rather than support a pre-determined position. If I'm not convinced by your evidence, it's not because I'm mean, it's because I've been trained to be picky about these sorts of things. You may be right about something, but just not presenting convincing evidence for it, or explaining yourself clearly.

My purpose is 1) to participate in making a useful, free resource and 2) to learn things and clarify my own ideas by discussing them. If I'm opposing you, it's only because I believe strongly in 1).

We may also be having a culture clash. The article I cited on archaeology in modern Iran was fascinating in that regard, in that it showed archaeology and history taught as patriotic endeavours to discover and publicize the glories of the past. If that's the sort of training you received, it's no wonder that we're meeting head on. Zora 08:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I tend to second Zora here. I'm not out to pick fights, but you do sound needlessly belligerent. I am sure you are erudite and intelligent, but either you are experiencing a culture clash, or you were just too upset from previous disputes to exhibit patience or courtesy, that's no problem at all. I readily proclaim myself completely ignorant of Iranian politics, but I am afraid I must object to attempts to mixing up of politics with ancient history. regards, dab (ᛏ) 11:11, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Zereshk. I quite honestly do not understand where your fears on Elamite Empire are coming from, but let me try and explain some points:
 * 1) I don't care about Ahwazi separatists.  The Palestinians' situation - ruled by a bunch of recent immigrants who want to turn them out of their own land - is nothing like the Khuzistan situation, where the Persians have been continuously present for over a millennium and the Arabs for at least centuries, and Ahwazis appear to be no worse oppressed than any other Iranian citizens.
 * 2) I believe that who ruled a place three thousand years ago is completely irrelevant to who has the right to rule there now.  The Bretons may have fled Britain for France only about 2000 years ago, but that doesn't give them any right to take Britain over again, any more than the Roma (Gypsies) have the right to rule the Punjab.
 * 3) I am not Zora.  You seem to constantly talk about my and her edits as if we were one person.
 * 4) A paragraph full of quotes is bad enough stylistically in itself; a paragraph full of quotes the content of which is trivially obvious leaves the reader thinking that there must be some kind of controversy over their content, else why would they be quotes instead of statements of fact?

Now maybe we can get back to discussing the article in good faith. - Mustafaa 18:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Elamite Empire
Zereshk khan, do not let Zora get to you. I am fully prepared to take this to arbitration if she continues antagonizing us and deleting other editors' contribs (including yours and Amir85's). As I have related to Mustafaa, there was no "controversy" in the article until she involved herself. I have made the suggestion that if she wants to add to the article and provide opposing scholarly opinion, then fine. But she attempts to provoke an edit war, arbitration is the only course of action to take as this has been going on since April and I am simply tired of this nonsense. After the situation with Jguk, I have found that it's best to go to ArbCom when things have really reached the boiling point.

By the way, can you suggest any decent Internet cafes there? I had heard about one that has DSL, but I've been unable to find the name. As for dial-up, it can be pretty bad but Neda is usually the best (though you have to bypass the government proxy for banned political sites and the like). There were a couple of decent ISP's back in 2001-2002 that had decent access and no proxy, but I think they've all been shut down since then. I'm taking my notebook with me in case the Internet cafes are still no better than the prepaid dial-up cards. SouthernComfort 12:48, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shi'a Islam
I have noticed that you have been experiencing some argument on the Shi'a Islam page. Although I am not Shi'a myself, I am open to mediate between the discussion if you need it. I hate to see an Islam-related article being tagged. Please tell me what exactly the concern is? Thanks. --Anonymous editor 21:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Zora
Zereshk, I cannot dig into the long history of this, and you do not give any diffs of the most blatant cases. I know Zora as a very balanced and intelligent editor, but of course I cannot answer for her. In our exchange on Elamite Empire, I did think she was reasonable. I appreciate you are knowledgeable in Iranian matters, but unfortunately knowledge doesn't preclude bias or misrepresentation. No factual information should be censored on WP! But sometimes it needs to be reassigned to new articles, for example, as I have argued, the neolithic cultures of the Iranian plateau should not be discussed under "Elamite civilization". I am saying this based on the EI article, and not because I am an expert in the matter. regards, dab (ᛏ) 14:34, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mazandaran.jpg
Thanks for uploading Mazandaran.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you created it and wish to release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Laura Scudder | Talk 21:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:Wheel Iran.jpg
thanks for this image Zereshk, I was looking for something like this for use on Chariot. However, how certain is the dating to 2000 BC? According to what I have read so far, spoked wheels do not appear in Mesopotamia until ca. 1600 BC. dab (ᛏ) 11:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * um, what has this got to do with Zora? I don't get it. So the wheel is labelled 2000 BC in the museum? If you pass by there, you could ask someone how it was dated, and is there a publication about it. (A spoked wheel dating to 2000 BC is a little sensation, and quite sure to arouse some academic interest, so the wheel should be known under some particular name, I suppose) dab (ᛏ) 13:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I will do that, and take the picture.--Zereshk 14:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gilan
I have no objections, as there is still much information that needs to be added, especially in regards to the pre-1920 Ettehad-e Islam period. What's there is basically a summary, so I think most of the information should remain there, perhaps with some minor trimming. What article did you have in mind? I'm thinking Constitutionalist movement of Gilan or Jangali movement? BTW, Jangali would be more appropriately translated as Foresters (or simply Forest) movement, rather than Jungle, since the Jangali reference is towards the forests of Gilan and Mazandaran (as opposed to jungles of Southeast Asia). ;) SouthernComfort 08:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I think we need much more of a summary (this itself is problematic due to the complexities of the history itself), or at least start a History of Gilan article in order to provide a cohesive background on the entire history from Gilan's role in the Constitutional Revolution to the evolutions of the Jangali and finally the Soviet Republic and the subsequent demise of the Jangali. For now I'll add the Soviet Republic section to it's respective article (Soviet Republic of Gilan). I'll start History of Gilan anyway and we can expand on it from there (especially the pre-Constitutionalist history). Let me know what your thoughts are. SouthernComfort 10:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Turks
BTW, you've probably noticed this, but there are a couple of anon editors (apparently pan-Turkist) constantly changing ethnic terms such as 'Azeri' and 'Qashqai' to 'Azeri Turks' and 'Qashqai Turks' and 'Turkmen Turks' (!) and so on. It's ridiculous. This happened in Iran as well. Demographics of Iran is also a mess. I was going to make changes, but I wanted to know what your opinion of this activity is, i.e. should it just be ignored? SouthernComfort 08:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gilan
I moved the Soviet Republic data to Soviet Republic of Gilan, so the new article should probably have that data trimmed from it (i.e. Soviet section). Or we could rename the new article History of Gilan and just include all the historical data there and then trim the constitutional movement section in that article. What do you think? I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way of presenting all the data without too much repetition in other articles. SouthernComfort 10:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Or I can trim Soviet Republic further and just put a 'see also' link to the constitutional movement article. But it's still not going to be cohesive without a main history article, I don't think? SouthernComfort 10:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright, I removed the Soviet data from the Constitutionalist article, leaving the rest at Soviet Republic of Gilan. What do you think? Then when we get enough info on the pre-1900's history of Gilan we can leave summaries regarding each era (allowing the history article to focus mostly on ancient history up until the 1900's), with links to the relevant modern history articles. This is the best solution I can come up with. I think also further analysis on the Soviet article would be wise, as Kouchak Khan was definitely not a communist himself. I'll try to dig up more info on this, but in the meantime if you can add anything, that'd be great. As for mordeh-parast, maybe something like 'ancestor worship' (too literal) or 'longing for past glories' (maybe too subjective) or 'adhering too much to the past'? Something like that. SouthernComfort 11:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I expanded the summary in Gilan's main article just a bit to cover the basics. Feel free to add anything you feel is important to present in the main article. And there's enough room to add more regarding the ancient history. I also made some minor edits to the other articles (mainly clarifying Kouchak Khan's attitude towards communism in his article), so I think everything is just about right. Of course more expansion would be great, so if you can get ahold of more sources (and I'll try to do the same), then the modern history will be complete, if it isn't already. Thanks again. SouthernComfort 14:46, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kurdistan
If you have time to spare, could you please check Iranian Kurdistan and it's relevant discussion? Another editor is disputing Amir85's contribs there. I'm not an expert on the region, and I'll have to visit the library before I make any substantial edits as regards the history, but I'm adding this to my list (after I finish my readings on Elam). Thanks. SouthernComfort 30 June 2005 08:47 (UTC)

BCE on Elam
Please see Talk:Elam. Codex changed the article to BC/AD (after I had made the article to be consistent with BCE), so your input would be appreciated. I want to put this issue at rest for once and for all. SouthernComfort 30 June 2005 19:26 (UTC)

Archiving
Thanks for your comments on Elam. I was about to add my own data to the article today, but now with the BC crusade starting up again, I'm going to have to wait. Anyway, archiving is simple, but you have to do it manually. Go to 'edit' and select (ctrl-a) the entire discussion and cut it (ctrl-x), then place a link to something like User_talk:Zereshk/Archive1. Save. Then click on the new red link, edit the new article, and paste the selection there, then save. That's it. SouthernComfort 30 June 2005 21:08 (UTC)