User talk:Zereshk/Archive3

Stop personal attacks
I saw what Zora said, and like it or not that is no excuse to call her Jewish (she's Buddhist) nor say you will be there to kick her anything. Stop right now, that is completely against wikipedia policy. gren グレン 00:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Zereshk! My understanding is that "rest assured I will be there to kick your *** as long as it takes" is not in concordance with generally accepted standards of behavior on the wiki. Thanks! Babajobu 00:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Zereshk, she's not Jewish, she was making a point about the multiculturalism and the like. In any case, I am not very harsh with people about personal attacks.  I don't think they are very good but I don't both too much dealing with them as the create controversy and people through around "he attacked me" like pre-schoolers sometimes.  However, your attack involved a physical aspect which... well, just never cross that line here, okay?  I am not taking sides, Zora doesn't say things like that.  She get frustrated because she doesn't think you have any sense of neutrality... and, I don't know much about your editing but Striver has made a mess of a lot of things with a strong Shia POV that is not neutral or scholarly.  She may not have a case against you but she has a case against your writing. Historical Sunni-Shia relations has many, many problems that need to be fixed and I've seen other articles almost as bad. I don't think it's an attack against you because you're Shia or Persian (if you are in fact Persian, you are from Tehran no?).  It's because she feels you don't separate your beliefs from your writing, and won't write neutrally... and I must say, in terms of neutral writing she is much better in my opinion.  That's not taking sides, if she had said the same thing to you I'd have said something to her. gren グレン 01:17, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

My answer
She has called me worse things (such as "uneducated, mentally psychotic,..." etc). Would you like me to give you a list? Please stop taking sides when you dont know this vicious racist. She has had clashes with other Iranian editors as well. Would you like me to contact them for you?--Zereshk 01:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Zora 21:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC) said:

I often tell people that I'm an ecumenical Bundist (Bundists were anti-Zionist Jews).see her very last sentence--Zereshk 01:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Zereshk, well I have to tell you that Zora has fought some battles for Muslims and Shia on Wikipedia...for example, as a relatively secular editor I thought the term "prophet" was inappropriate for Wikipedia, but Zora argued that Muhammad should be able to be described as "the prophet", and that this was not POV. She also has been supportive of the candidacies for adminship of other Muslim editors. I know she has a respect for, and interest in, Shia Islam, and can't imagine why she would be racist against Persians. However, the comments you describe her making are obviously unacceptable in Wikipedia.
 * On another note, Zora mentioned to me that the Shia Islam article had become full of PBUHs and so forth, so I was attempting to purge this sort of POV from the article. Not because I disrespect Muslims or Islam--I don't--but because encyclopedias are not written from this point of view. I would feel the same if a Christian editor described Jesus as "The Christ" and so forth. Wikipedia cannot speak to the "truth" of any particular religious tradition, no matter how fervently its adherents believe. Anyway, nice to make your acquaintance, and hope to see you around! Babajobu 01:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've certainly been very angry at you, Zereshk, but I don't think I've called you names. If I have, I'm sorry. That doesn't mean that I don't still adamantly oppose many of your opinions and editing practices. Zora 01:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Zereshk, I'm not Jewish
Zereshk, I'm NOT Jewish. I've never been a Jew. My mother was a Mormon from Texas and my father was Swedish-Finnish. I was raised as a Congregationalist (a Protestant Christian mainline denomination) and converted to Buddhism when I was fifteen or so. Thinking that the Bundists were right in their rejection of nationalism doesn't make me a Jew in the ethnic or religious sense.

Besides, would it be so bad to be a Jew? What's wrong with that? Zora 02:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello again, Zereshk! Just one comment...I noticed that in your chat with Zora you mentioned that American Jews are famous for their hatred of Iranians. Having lived for a number of years in the United States and specifically in Los Angeles, I must tell you that this is not at all the impression I got. In fact, at this point I believe that a significant proportion of American Jews are actually from Iran, or the children of people from Iran. To the extent that I interacted with Jews in Los Angeles, there seemed to be a great deal of mixing between American-born Jews and Iranian-born Jews, as well as much interest and curiousity on the part of the American-born ones about the culture and background of the Iranian-born ones. They didn't seem to hate Iran at all! Anyway, just thought I'd mention that; regardless, have fun on Wikipedia and see you around! Babajobu 02:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, well I guess there are some nuances I didn't appreciate, then! Babajobu 03:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Go rest
Im on it! --Striver 03:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, really sad, the murder... what a bad coincidence that he was there... Unfortunatly, i dont have the knowledge to make a article about that. I would excpect 0 (zero) coverage of that in the western media... --Striver 03:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Avicenna
Hello Zereshk, on Avicenna's Talk page ,I wrote "Can speak any of these dialects etc" , and I meant that the person's words about "close examination" had no basis and change of dialects in time is something obvious, I didnt meant that Iranians cant speak these dialects! In fact I did a good search to prove the origin of Avicenna and added Persian-Tajik for being absoloutely unbiased since some sources call him Iranian and others Persian, so if in Persian-Tajik we interpret Persian as Iranian , then Tajik is a sucategory of Iranian family ,if we interpret Persian as Parsi as opposed to Azeri etc then Avicenna is both Persian and Tajik equally according.I am Iranian myself man!Pasha 03:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Nice article on Ophthalmology
Hi Zeresh. I came across you from Yuber's talk page. That article on opthalmology was nice. Whateverdude 09:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Ibn Hawqal
Hi Zereshk,

I just saw your article on Ibn Hawqal; though I agree that Wikipedia badly needs an article on him, I'm worried that it seems to be copied word-for-word from the Encyclopedia of Ukraine. Am I misunderstanding? I've tagged it as a possible copyvio for now--if I've misread the situation, please just leave a note on the article's talk page. If you have cut and pasted this, please be aware that at Wikipedia we can't use information taken verbatim from copyrighted sources. Thanks, and happy editing! --Dvyost 05:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I don't see that it's a copyvio.... it does look like it has been paraphrased... which, is fine if it's referenced I believe. Using my judgment as an admin I will not delete it since it doesn't seem to be verbatim for much of the article at all. However, I do encourage you (Zereshk) to cite where you got that information. gren グレン 07:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You know, I looked at this again, and must have just been blind stupid while I was editing earlier. Gren's absolutely right that this is a paraphrase and I'm not sure how I got the two mixed up on my screen.  My sincerest apologies, and thanks to Gren for the catch.  --Dvyost 07:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Zereshk, when you have the time can you source it. gren グレン 01:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
I was just looking at at Iranian architecture and I saw some pictures you took... very nice. gren グレン 01:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Stubs
You, like Striver, have been creating a great number of stubs lately... please reference them so we don't run into problems with them... since they are (relatively) obscure subjects it may be hard to find them online so if you could just give us your sources it would make everything a lot easier. Thanks. Also, if you could add the proper birth/death categories when you have the information it would be of great help to the effort. Quality over quantity. gren グレン 03:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Since I know (and thank you for it) you are doing a lot of work I understand why you wouldn't want to waste the time properly categorizing or adding stubs. However, please do write the names and pages of the books under a references section.  You can copy and paste one bibliography and just add page numbers as they come up.  You needn't add reference notes and if it is a paraphrase you can add a breadth of pages, (if the section is five pages just add 105-109, 210, 320 ) however just having the whole book is not proper.  Having this in articles is not clutter it is necessary.  We can take the academics at Britannica on good faith and not expect citings, but we cannot take random users from the internet.  Please do this and I will try to look at your new pages when I have the chance to fix stubs and categories as are needed.  I just saw you on new pages so tried to see what else you were creating and when I noticed a pattern I decided to ask you about it.  I'm sorry if you see this as an obstacle but it is merely a necessity.  Every article that makes it as featured, or even good must be well referenced (obscure figures' births are not common knowledge) even if not directly footnoted.  There is a difference between the two and footnoting can be needless clutter, however referencing is not.  It's avoiding plagiarism.  Therefore I must add unreferenced when they are not.  I hope you do not take it as picking on you, it is just because in the scheme of new articles yours are far more interesting than suicide art and therefore I do hope they come up to a higher standard than silly vanity articles and ones about new software. gren グレン 04:02, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about sounding curt, and know that I do appreciate your work on the many subjects. I am not trying to give you a hard time by any means.  About Zora.  She has been a good editor here since before I joined and is always willing to pick up a book and do some research.  I haven't seen her interactions with you really (besides the Jewish thing) so I can't really say, but I would recommend trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.  Striver will say that she (and has said about me) is anti-Shia and I would definitely not believe that.  She may have a point of view that is more sceptical about some Shia claims but if that is so it is because she is trying to have the utmost academic integrity.  When Striver first came a while back... well, simple put he could be a real nuisance.  Looking at this diff, he completely changed the Sahaba article rating the Sahaba in a completely unsourced manner that glossed over people having views that differed from his ranking.  He has at other times been difficult and Zora, who takes the time to read scholarly books, on this manner has to spend more time arguing than writing.  Now, I don't know your specific arguments but if you are coming off like Striver (and I know you support Striver at times) then I can see why she may be more irritable from the start.  I mean, on Talk:Umar Striver is railing against her when she has a good point that should at least be discussed.  Striver, may also have brought up a good point... but he adds "shame on you Zora" and crap like that in.  We should not be talking like that... and I know Zora has been snappy... but, she has always been more civil in my book.  So, try to keep good relations with her.  She is not out to get Shia as Striver would say... she's probably just frustrated with Striver.  So, it's good for you to help add a Shia point of view, but source it well and add it in as a neutral way, not as truth and things should be fine.  Striver rewrote Umar, Uthman, and Abu Bakr all to say they were bad people... and that's now how you write an encyclopedia.  So, I am glad you will bring more information about the Shia and Iran.  This is very good and will help the readers, as long as you are not doing it to prove that either point of view is correct.  Represent them neutrally and things should be fine... but, you have to be willing to talk and negotiate.  Unsourced material anyone can change and can likely get away with it... but sourced material, if changed, will usually be checked and scrutinized to make sure the change should take place.  I know you want to just be able to contribute and not have to argue about it... but, sometimes if people think you're writing too much from a point of view you will have to discuss it.  That's just a reality that I can't change.  I commend your efforts and I hope the above explains some of the situation and maybe will help to cool tensions.  If not, I don't know.  Good luck with studying MRIs that seems very interesting :) Thanks. gren グレン 14:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Help
Please vote to merge and redirect Islamofascism to Neofascism and religion...

... which is where it belongs. Vote here: BrandonYusufToropov 21:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Invitation to cooperation
Hello, I am doing some research on common misconceptions about Iran , Islam and Middle East in general , I think you might be interested in cooperation , I intened to peresent the result to an international group of individuals who have devoted their time and energy to promoting thinking "outside the box" (they include scientists , artists , mystics etc).If you are interested please email me.Cheers Pasha 09:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey!!
Hello, Some time ago I contacted you in regards to working on a website about Iran but you said that you had a lot on your plate and didn't have the time. But we shared the same point of view about the site. I am trying to become an admin, I would appretiate your support. Thank you
 * Here is My nomination
 * --Aytakin 03:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote. By the way your anime pics are very good!!!

Image Tagging Image:Tehranshomal.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Tehranshomal.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use GFDL to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use or fairuse. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by going to "Your contributions" from your user page and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Images
Thanx for catching that one. This was one of the earlier images we uploaded when the policy for images was a bit more relaxed. I'm not sure where exactly I got the image from. I cant find it on my salvage folder from my old hard drive. But I'm thinking it was probably an ICHO (Iran Cultural Heritage Organization) image, which would make it a government image. I'll re-tag it.

There are probably some images floating around like that one that have unclear tags.

Thanx.--Zereshk 21:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, why did you erase the Parliament image? That image is perfectly legal under the United States Copyright laws. I do remember that statement by Jimbo Wales. He said:

"...Unless there is something particularly strange about the copyright situation in Iran..."

As it happens, the copyright situation in Iran is anything but normal. Iran is not a member of any of the following International Copyright treaties:


 * BAC: Buenos Aires Convention
 * Berne Convention
 * Convention for the Protection of Producers of Phonograms Against Unauthorized *Duplication of Phonograms.
 * UCC Paris: Universal Copyright Convention,
 * UCC Geneva: ditto
 * WCT: World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty
 * WPPT: World Intellectual Property Organization
 * WTO

Besides, this is a govt image. It is not a private, corportae, or individual produced image. i.e. it carries no proprietary ownership.

Also, the links need to be restored. These links are found on no other website in one place, and are very hard to find links (many dont appear on google searches). Many journalists, researchers, and students have been using the Iran page official govt links to access these govt websites.--Zereshk 22:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Zereshk,
 * Jimbo stated that Wikipedia should respect Iranian copyright laws (as if any of those treaties went in place tomorrow). Also, government works are copyrighted in most countries (and are enforced vigorously in some, such as Australia); if Iran is an exception, please notify me to that extent.
 * Wikipedia is not a mere collection of external links. The links could alternately be spread out among subpages (e.g. the Ministry of Commerce linked from Economy of Iran). If a list of links is needed, the DMOZ Regional: Middle East: Iran: Government category is just the place.
 * Thanks. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Greetings,


 * I am therefore taking it that you are saying that we should take Jimbo Wales above International Law and that we are to disregard the current United States copyright laws in consideration of a possible change tomorrow. I find that a bit problematic. I dont know what the fuss is about an image from Iran's parliament website that will be posted to explain about Iran's parliament on WP. There is no intellectual ownership invloved here.


 * That being said, if people here insist it is copyright violation, then so be it. I will have to supplant another image for it from another source.


 * As for the links, I disagree with you and firmly maintain my position. Even the link you posted says: "There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article". And it would be inconsistent to have such a list for United States, but not for Iran. They are directly relevant, and they do not overshadow or eclipse the article by any means.--Zereshk 22:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello Zereshk,
 * Yes, that is what I am saying. It is not a violation of international or U.S. law to enforce the Wikimedia Foundation's internal Iran copyright policy as it currently stands. If the image has no intellectual ownership, as you claim, a valid case can be made for fair use, nullifying its current status as a copyright violation.
 * Your comparison of the Iran links table to the links section at United States is somewhat similar to comparison of apples and oranges (to use a popular cliche): the links section at United States does not contain websites for every government department; rather it contains websites for the major branches of government; CIA, Census and Information Agency profiles; and even a few admittedly irrelevant, such as the DMV link; whereas the Iran table claims to contain the websites of every government agency and ministry, even those not mentioned, referenced or directly relevant to the article. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I will replace the Iran parliament image. It can go. I have no further comment on that.


 * However, my argument on the links does hold, because you took out the entire table of links, deleting all of it, instead of merely cutting it down to links to key departments and branches of govt, as you say is the case for the US. My argument would be that Iran has many more branches of govt and key centers of power than the tripartate US govt. However, if you would agree and leave it up to me, I can cut down on the list and trim the link table. How's that sound?--Zereshk 03:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I found the source of the Tehranshomal image. It's not an ICHO image. Therefore if youve decided that the parliament image cannot stay, then neither can this. Because I got it from a similar source.--Zereshk 03:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for resolving the copyright issues. As for the links table, I like your suggestion--it will definitely work and be an appropriate compromise. Thanks! --Wikiacc (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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Articles_for_deletion/American_terrorism, the discussion of which you may or may not consider worth reviewing. BrandonYusufToropov 18:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Zora Zora
Hey Nima, I saw most of your discussions with her in different articles. Man You are a true hard-ass! you can go on and on in a debate! What the heck (....) is wrong with her and what is the source this feud and hostility towards you and all the Iranians and history of Iran in her? She doesnt know a thing about Iran. Is she Buddhist ? never ! I live in India and I can tell you buddhists are not like her, they are most tolerant and kind hearted in the world ! most of my friends are Buddhists.Amir85 1:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Image needs to be removed
Hi.

Would you please remove this image? I dont have the photographer's permission anymore (lost it), and I cant reproduce it (I cant find him).

Image:Tehran-blvd.jpg

thanx.--Zereshk 23:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this information. I have deleted the image. --Wikiacc (talk) 02:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Salam!
Hi! I created a new template, and would appreciate a coment from you: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam:The_Muslim_Guild.

Ma salam! --Striver 02:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Rolf
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam:The_Shia_Guild--Striver 03:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mr/Mrs Zeresh.


 * "...I advise you to cease your adhominems on the West Azarbaijan page.

Also, I strongly advise you to stop following me around inciting edit wars"...

I do not understand exactly what you mean;!!! can you plz tell me what u mean clearly?!!

Thank You!  D iyako Talk + 21:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your information. I did not follow you to Khuzestan! I thought that map can be useful there but you don't think so. Thank You  D iyako Talk + 21:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Trouble on the Iranian pages
Would you please monitor the West Azarbaijan page? User:Diyako has turned the page into a pro-Kurdih secessionist platform. He keeps taking down the POV tag I put up (in protest to the inaccurate information he has filled the page with), and keeps reverting all other editors as well. Thanx.--Zereshk 21:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. I am watching the page and will take necessary action in response to edit wars. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, No I do not remove. This is Zereshk who remove credible information. You can cheque the history of the page. Thanks.  D iyako Talk + 22:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes. Please do check the history of the page in the past week.--Zereshk 22:46, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Unverified source image
Please see this. Thanx:

Image:Tehran polic.jpg

--Zereshk 23:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have notified the user and tagged the image. (It will be deleted in 7 days.) --Wikiacc (talk) 01:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

West Az
Hi. I was off for about 10 days, so I'm sorry for answering too late. And about west azerbaijan. Kurds have a large population in this area, but kurd are not the major. only 20-30% of W.Az are kurds. although their polulation is growing and methastatic :) urmia has less than 5% kurds in 1340 but now they are about 25%; most of them are orginally from southern cities as well as kurdestan province. diyako is a vandalist and ultra racist person. he has some wonderful ideas such as 30% kurd population of iran.

To: Dr Hamed

 * Hi

I think as a Kurdish my Turkish knowlegde is better than yours!))::  D iyako Talk + 22:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Think about what your words mean then write them! as in here to Zereshk: "...And about west azerbaijan. Kurds have a large population in this area, but kurd are not the major. only 20-30% of W.Az are kurds. although their polulation is growing and methastatic :) urmia has less than 5% kurds in 1340 but now they are about 25%; most of them are orginally from southern cities as well as kurdestan province. diyako is a vandalist and ultra racist person. he has some wonderful ideas such as 30% kurd population of iran..."
 * 2) I have NOT cited [urmia.org] as a source but as a link in the section of See also.
 * 3) yes as you see there is no materials in azeri turkish in that website but it can NOT be a reason that they are racists or...
 * 4) Noone cliams Azeri people are less than assyrians.
 * 5) Kurds of urmia mostly are from the Urmia and western and northen partts of Urmia and then from southern cities.
 * 6) I am NOT a racist. (maybe in future you will know me better).
 * 7) We do NOT discus about who are migrant or not, as well as we do NOT discuss that whose region or whose province it is (I think the owners of a city are all of its inhabitants not a specific ethnic or religious group.
 * 8) we discuss the population.
 * 9) I never claimed and never cliam "...Kurds compromise 30% of population of Iran..." (and nor the turks)
 * 10) I never wish other peoples rights be ignored because I have been one of the first victims of discrimination.
 * 11) Saqez (Sakiz) does NOT mean EIGHT in Turkish. it means chewing - gum (in fact herbaceous gum).
 * Thank You.

Dear Diyako
You think your turkish is better than me!!! ok, ok... then I should explain some thing about kurdish accent, if a kurd wants to pronaunce the word Saggiz, he says saggez, and saggiz means EIGHT.

I didn't ignore your rights too, I have kurd friends and I respect their cultural and political rights, but you shouldn't be so extermist. Ignoring Turk population of W.Az. doesn't help you.

In your last edit on Urmia you give this data: turks 50%, kurds 50% and 40% christian. we know that most of christians of urmia are armenians not turks nor kurds....then urmia is 140% !!!!!!

Migrants have rights as well as original settelers, but they can't change the history. in most of your articles, you claimed that W.Az cities are originally kurdish!!!

changing the facts ....Does it work? I don't think so.

what happens if kurds establish their own country? 1-Economy of kurdistan will be worse. United Iran has oil and more, but kuristan is a province with no significant mines and oil production or factories or Farmlands.

But why kurdistan economy is poor? the central government does not like to develop factories in kurdistan because of several crisis and wars happened in this area.

Please note that: All iran ppl are in poor condition. ok, there is significant difference between Isfahan and sanandaj, but kurds are not innocent in this progress. Most of them have strong desire to establish their own state, then kurdistan is an unstable area for economy.

Please send your answers to my own talk page, if you want to discuss more. --Dr.Hamed 22:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Dear Dr Hamed
Thank you for your answer.
 * 1) Is it srange that my turkish be better than yours?!
 * 2)  saqez; the word Saqez here means GUM . And I should explain some thing about saqez. if you study a litle about kurdish language and its pronounciation you will see that it has the ability to pronounce many other languages for exemple Kurdish language, So I mean kurdish speakng people can pronounce the Turkish words saqiz (gum) and sekiz (eight) with no problem (maybe UNLIKE persian speakings) so the way they pronounce it as saqiz has a logic meaning beacause of many trees who produce gum in that region (around city of Saqiz).
 * 3) There are (and have been) enough sources to ptrove Kurds have been in thousand years in this province (area). But in fact this is your claim that is strange!
 * 4) About Kurdish Question I do not think so because kurds do NOT love war, blood and fighting they have been forced to defend themselves because of unjust condition and situation in which they are. In fact this is the faschist goverments and regimes of the Middle East who are not innocent not this oppressed ethnic group (as well as other ones).
 * 5) I see all of iranians are in poor comditions.
 * 6) About political topics I do not like to discuss in Wikipedia.

Thank You  D iyako Talk + 00:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Nashodam,
Aadama goftan tedaade kami edit daram va inkeh alan emtehanam shooroo dareh misheh, didam behtare "withdraw" konam va bade chand vaght bargardam dobareh sai konam. Felan roo chand ta article daram kar mikonam, Ashraf Pahlavi va Sadabad Palace. Agha kheily mesleh hamima!! Hardo ro maghale hayeh rajebeh Iran kar mikonim va dotamoon pedaremoon Azarian. Felan --( Aytakin ) | Talk 03:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

--( Aytakin ) | Talk 21:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Manam hamintor, And they take advantage of this, everytime they don't want me to understand, Mizanan kanal 2.

FYI
Templates_for_deletion--Striver 21:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Shahnameh & Shahnama
You seem to be a nice guy :-) Maybe you should take a look at Shahnama and Shahnameh. One of these articles needs to be removed :-)

Btw, I am Phoenix2 from the German Wikipeida -80.171.123.24 23:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

What you are talking about I replaced a better map which shows religous minorities ~in Iran, those about 10 millions people who are not shown in your maps. Is not your edits unilateral??!! I am ignoring wikipedia policies??!! You warn me??!!

)):::  D iyako Talk + 22:40, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

And your map does not show religious minorities it is some kind of ignoring religious minorites if we remove the map!  D iyako Talk + 22:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

WARNED? YOU THREATEN ME!!!!!!!! )))))))):::

 D iyako Talk + 22:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes I am threatening you. I am threatening you of being blocked if you dont stop vandalizing pages that has taken me an 10 other admins 2 years to make. That's why we have separate pages for ethnic minorities of Iran and religious minorities of Iran. --Zereshk 22:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

 D iyako Talk + 23:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) I am not a vandalist and there are many admins who watch my works and edits, I have the right to keep editing on Wikipedia policy; So I am not affraid.
 * 2) THANK YOU ZERESHK THAT ACCEPTED MY SOLUTION.THANK YOU.

The Iran page
Hi,

The changes you made to the Iran page are wayyyyyy too drastic. The format of the page was something that numerous editors had agreed on. You have taken out sections completely, deleted key internal links (keeping links that do not really matter), and watered down the page significantly. The section on the government (with the sub-sections) needs to be restored definitely. We based the page's design on the United States article. Compare the page the United States to the new page of Iran and you will see that it compares very little.--Zereshk 22:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I suggest that we keep your changes, but also retain some of the original formatting. The cities section, the political section, are 2 notable examples.--Zereshk 22:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Zereshk,
 * I based my changes on the guidelines at WikiProject Countries and a selection of featured country articles, among them China, India, Cambodia, Belgium and Nepal. (United States is not a featured article.) I agree that it could be scaled back in certain aspects (e.g. moving the cities section around the page rather than/in addition to moving it to a separate one). If it seems that I have reduced some parts of it to less than "brief summaries", please tell me where this has occured. --Wikiacc (talk) 23:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

new user
hi zereshk, i am a new user who is willing to help restore vandalized pages. i also have been reading your "disputes" with Zora. at this stage, i will not give any opinion of him/her. Yahussain 02:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

My involvement
You asked me to become involved as an admin - so I have to be neutral. I have stood back and only tried to show you two ways out of the dispute. You can not accuse me of being not evenhanded.

Further to have a different POV is not vandalism. Clearly I do not agree with Diyako's seeming aims of destroyng the unity of Iran, but this is not at discussion here. To keep reverting to shout at each other is not right. The user concerned has often been uncivil and pushy. I do not like this. But you have also often reacted very harshly where a simply calm word would have sorted matters. WRT the influence of WP on politics - possibly. You might well be right. But to use WP as a platform to proclaim one's convictiosn destroys exactly any influence WP might have. This influence is only possible with being seen to be neutral - this does obviously not mean being agnostic towards established facts. Refdoc 02:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

FYI
Articles for deletion/People reported to be born in the Kaaba --Striver 10:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

West Azerbaijan dispute
I have cleaned up the article, have formulated any obvious disputes in an NPOV fashion and have left clear guidelines for a new "ethnic" map in the talk pages. Please have a look. And please assume good faith in Diyako. As you have seen it is quite easy to work with him/her. Refdoc 13:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for being late. But I just wanted to thank you for your approach to the matter. It was fair. I also would give any authorization to represent my point of view in this issue, because I see a parallel approach and similar thingking on this matter. I personally have stopped editing on that articel because I have realized the futility of such an attempt to engage someone who is overzealous and would like to have things to be their way no matter what. I hope you will continue your contributions on the article. Thank you. --TimBits 02:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Sogdiana and vandalism
Some unknown user is putting wrong information into the article Sogdiana. He changes Iranian and Tajik into Turk and Uzbek without any valid proofs or sources. Your help is needed! -213.39.141.128 01:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Islamic conquest of Iran
Regarding to Islamic conquest of Iran, what should I do ? Does it make any sense arguing with her or just waste of energy aruguing with someone clearly ignorant about History of Iran and more importantly anti-Persian ? what do you say ? Amir85 11:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)



FYI
--Striver 04:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Salam
I need help in the Ali article. Zora is trying to delet lots of things without giving any good justification. She is starting to get the support of other, who neither are prepared to give any arguments, execpt that they "prefer" the Zora version. Look here Talk:Ali

ISNA
Hi.

Are we allowed to use images off of ISNA? I think not. Hence this image Image:Irangay teens.jpg, which has been downloaded from ISNA is copyright protected.--Zereshk 03:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It would be considered copyright here; however, it is still usable under fair use defense, as it is a historical photo. --Wikiacc (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * So we can use ISNA photos here under a fairuse tag? ISNA has an excellent repository of photos that we could use.--Zereshk 22:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * We can use virtually any images considered copyright if we have an adequate fair use rationale for their use. See WP:FAIR for more details, but for the most part ISNA photos should make an excellent addition to Wikipedia as fair use media. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Iran Article
If you can't see how your comments in the Talk section of the Iran article are "tu quoque" fallacies, then you have no business contributing.

Haizum 03:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Fortunately, that's not your call.--Zereshk 08:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Salaam, need your help!
Hi Zereshk! There's this editor who keeps insisting that Al-Khwarizmi was an Arab because he wrote his books in Arabic. You can see the discussion at the bottom of Talk:Hindu-Arabic numerals. We want to emphasize the contributions Persian mathematicians made in popularizing the numerals, but he insists only Arabs be mentioned. Your comment will be appreciated. Khoda Hafez! deeptrivia (talk) 05:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

West Azarbaijan
This revision is excellent and the pictures are beautiful Refdoc 07:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Updated pages with current and accurate information
Recently I received condolence cards from people who had looked up "Dr. Heshmat," found the Wikipedia page that said he'd been executed by firing squad, and assumed that my father was dead. Clearly, it was extremely upsetting. I'm also extremely concerned that the government-sponsored tracking programs will incorrectly connect my father with people to whom he is not connected, thereby jeopardizing his security clearance, livelihood, and life.

We've already had trouble with this type of thing going back to 1979 when people used to call our house and say that they were going to firebomb us for having family ties in the Middle East. You should know that I don't shy away from sharing my history and culture with people UNLESS they are wearing KKK robes. So, I'm either open or very careful about it as circumstances warrant.

A few days ago I found the Wikipedia page, updated it with correct information, made a separate page to maintain the historical information on "Dr. Talequani Heshmat" and updated the links from other pages specifically so that nothing would be lost by making the correction.

At that point, as a new Wikipedia account holder, I didn't know how to figure out that you had put the old pages up and I didn't know how to contact you. By the way, why do you call yourself Zereshk? I love those little sour berries, but it wouldn't occur to me as a name or nickname for someone, unless perhaps you are known for having a sharp wit? My nickname is Parvaneh, which you probably know means butterfly.

Anyhow, I checked the pages today and found that they had been reverted and redirected so that the most current and accurate information was gone. I suppose that I can just keep logging in and correcting it every couple of hours, but this seems like a terribly inefficient way of making sure that accurate information is available on Wikipedia.

How would you like to handle this?

Looking forward to your sympathetic response,

CHeshmat 22:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

(sigh)
I'm a bit worried for User:Striver receiving posts like this. Please keep an eye on this lunatic who calls himself User:Haizum. He seems highly confrontational and rude.--Zereshk 08:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * He also seems to be breaking a number of Wikipedia policies. It is my civic duty to report his comments and himself to the "User is blocked" page. :P --Wikiacc (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

An Shihkao
Do you have any idea which characters are used in "Anxi" or even "An Shihkao" (which I'm guessing is actually An Xikao in pinyin) or at least their individual meanings? It's helpful in articles on Chinese subjects to be able to state the exact name in Chinese given the transliteration issues. siafu 22:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

How does An Shikao relate to Iran? CHeshmat

Zora
Yes, Zora...

Care to take this? --Striver 11:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

VFD
Articles for deletion/List of notable Muslim reports

Yalda
Do you know any friend admin who could add Yalda or Winter solstice on the main page's selected anniversaries ? that would great ! Amir85 20:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

age?
how old are you? Yahussain 18:41, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

U mean the Famous Iranian women and female entities?
By gallery do u mean the Famous Iranian women and female entities? --( Aytakin ) | Talk 22:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

First of all it looks cool and it was a good decision. Second of all, The women you chose were perfect choices man!! I actually did not know any of them!!--( Aytakin ) | Talk 22:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Where did u get the pics from though? --( Aytakin ) | Talk 22:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

HAHA, that's what you get for using wiki there!! --( Aytakin ) | Talk 23:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Simply great
Two thumbs up man ! by the way about the source of hijab and chastity I did some research, asked some top Iranology scholars, I dont think it originated in Iran. As an example you can see numerous nude female figures until the end of Sassanid era. its a bit disputed. Amir85 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Persian Architecture
Hi Zereshk,

I'm ethnically Persian (parents are immigrants), and I'm currently designing a 800 square feet cabin for an architecture project. Considering your immense contribution on the Persian Architecture page, I was wondering if you knew any specific form or style with Persian houses (not mediterranean). (SeanMcG 23:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

Do you know of any theme that is common with persian houses? (i.e. with Colonial-style houses, many subdivided spaces). (SeanMcG 23:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC))

Hmmm didn't know Colonial style houses were mostly built in Iran. Is Mediterranean the closest style to a "Persian house?" I've heard that many Persian houses, unlike some Mediterraneans, do not have flat roofs due to the four season weather in Iran.

Actually you did help. My parents said the same exact thing about the architecture in Tehran- concrete and monotonous. I agree traditional Persian architecture is much more rich and unique, but I haven't yet seen it applied to small houses or anything besides large public buildings like the Sheikh Lotf Allah Mosque, which is what i'm trying to figure out. SeanMcG 00:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey man!!
Salam agha! The first time I contacted you was in regards to a website about Iran that I was creating and asked if you wanted to join. I don't think we actually finished the conversation. Well, the website is, It will have any information you want on any topic about Iran! From editorials and deep information on history to current soccer scores and live TV and our own 24/7 radio! or as the old persian saying goes "Az kaleieh morgh ta jooneh adameezad." Sounds weird, but it fits the point I'm trying to make. I'm working on the website, I'm also working on a Wiki for Iran for information, check it out. Well tell me if you want to come on board.

Khodahafez --( Aytakin ) | Talk 05:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture addition on Trinity article
Absolutely great shot of the Trinity library's mural on the article — I couldn't have asked for a better picture. Thanks for the addition. Deadsalmon 02:43, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

2006
A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS 2006 to you and your family, May the protection of Allah and the Ahl al Bayt be with you. --Khalid! 23:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:Jiroft
Not a problem. That anon user seems to have added more copyvio here. - Akamad 00:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

New year's email
Happy Christian New Year and did you receive my email ? Amir85 17:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, and happy new year to :) Ill be less active for a while, but ill be back :) --Striver 02:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Hooshang Heshmat
Hey, I saw you created this page and it seemed to be hijacked. I removed doctor from the title... but, you created the page as different from who it's about now. Could you explain? It's a copyvio and feel free to fix it or do whatever. I didn't know what it is exactly but if you have any interest feel free to fix it. If you need the name changed then I can do that for you. gren グレン 20:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think youre a bit confused. I didnt create Hooshang Heshmat. I think User:CHeshmat did. I created Dr. Heshmat, which should refer to Dr Talequani Heshmat, a late 19th century figure in Iran's constitutional revolution. User:CHeshmat and User:Gmotamedi are responsible for changing the names and causing the confusion.--Zereshk 21:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * You didn't create it as such, no, however you created Dr. Heshmat which you later moved to Dr. Hooshang Heshmat which I moved to Hooshang Heshmat since we don't use titles for article titles. My question to you was did you really your article about Dr. Heshmat has become an article about some other guy?  Is that alright with you or do you want to salvage it?  If so, you should make the Dr. Heshmat redirect be an article at the name Talequani Heshmat.  gren グレン 16:33, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

E-mail
Hi Zereshk, e-mail for you. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it wasn't that one. I'll resend via whichever address you've entered into your preferences. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Have resent. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi dear doctor i don't know how i can contact with you i find out you have complete information about Persia so i need your help here is my webpage http://fz-az.fotopages.com/

Please stop misrepresenting the international copyright status of works from Iran
You have claimed in multiple places that Iran is not a party to any international copyright treaty. This is untrue. Iran is a party to WIPO, which obligates them under the Berne Convention. See. If you continue to upload images in violation of copyright law you will be blocked from editing. --Gmaxwell 08:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. Im posting the answer on your talk page.--Zereshk 08:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Eid
EID MUBARRAK --Khalid! 11:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Iranian women
Hey, although I appreciaite your work on the topic very much, I just feel that 'Shirin Ebadi' should have been in the gallery pictures, she has won a peace noble prize, thats a bit more important IMO than some things the other women have done.. anyway let me know what you think. Thanks!

Photographer Barnstar
I wanted to thank you for the all the photography work you have contributed to the San Antonio family of articles. A quick check of your history shows you have also contributed many photos from other locals, especially your native Iran, making this barnstar even more deserved.

So... (official award text follows)

Here's the Photographer's Barnstar, awarded for all your photographic contributions to articles on San Antonio and elsewhere. - TexasAndroid 15:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Return
God, you are back ! I thought you aint comin no more. Cheers ! Amir85 11:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good, nice job man its great. I totally agree with ya. I did the same in Sassanid page. You know I have two problems in wikipedia : 1. time 2.I'm completely under-sourced here. I dont know what to do about it. There is no way I can get decent source books in this messy country. Amir85 23:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Smooch! A barnstar from you is worth a barnstar from ten other people. Zora 03:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC) (P.S. Something went wrong with the formatting.)

Thank you
Khayli mamnoon. SouthernComfort 13:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Gilan, Kuchak Khan, etc
There are quite a number of spelling and consistency errors in the above articles. I'll try to get to all of them, and if you could check as well, that'd be great. Thanks. SouthernComfort 00:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Iran-Israel relations edit
Salam Zereshk Jaan,

I have long commended your great contributions to Wikipedia, but your edit here does n't seem to be appropriate. It seems like personal opinion? I'm going to take it out. If you want to put it back in at least provide some sources. Thanks. AucamanTalk 19:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Khaz'al Khan
Please see Zora's threatening comments against me on Talk:Khaz'al Khan. There is a definite obsession on her part towards us that warrants ArbCom proceedings, as this has been going on for many months now - in a few months it will be a year. Her edits have been filled with numerous errors and she has displayed an arrogant and condescending attitude towards us, putting us down again and again because we are Iranian and any source we provide, even if non-Iranian, as "nationalist." And yet with her UNPUBLISHED dissertation from an IRANIAN, she has absolutely no problem - just because the guy graduated from an AMERICAN university. I guess our universities, our scholars, are just no good. If that's not a totally racist and xenophobic attitude, I don't know what is. I believe we should move ahead with this. Contact me via email when you have a chance please. SouthernComfort 09:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Sufi stuff
Salam, can you start articles on Sufi poetry and/or Sufi art. I wanted to start them, but since all these things mainly started from Persia , so I thought you might be more knowledgeable on this stuff then me. Cheers. BTW, U look good in that picture. F.a.y. تبادله خيال /c 20:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

A new article
Hi Zereshk. I created a new article occupation of Khuzestan by Muslims based on quotations from Tabari. However it needs some "cleanup". I myself am not good at this stuff. So I ask you to have a look at it before some ... crap into it. I insist on maintaining full quotations to avoid ambiguity. I have not made any references from other articles to this for the above reason. Thanks in advance. Damned 01:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

"County" as "Shahrestan"
Hi,

About the Iranian provinces and districts, I think it's better to translate "shahrestan" as county, not township. Bidabadi 13:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Khamseh and Khorasani Turks and Arabs
You wouldn't happen to have any extensive information on these three groups? Also, do you know if the proper name is Quchani (also name of the language) or simply Khorasani Turks? Thanks. SouthernComfort 02:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

MRI image tag
Greetings,

I just uploaded the Image:Damadian invention.jpg which is quite useful for two articles that I used it on. However I am not sure if the tag is proper or not, considering the information I have given about the image and its source. Would you please double check that there is no other better tag that I have missed? Thanks.--Zereshk 21:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed the tag to PD-US-patent, which seems more accurate. --Wikiacc 21:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)