User talk:Zero0000/2011

Query
Would you happen to have access to full versions of this journal? I'm interested in seeing the full length version of the article on pages 104, 107 and 108. I believe it begins on page 61 and is titled Arab Israelis: Demography, Dependency, and Distinctiveness, though I could be wrong. Help possible?  T i a m u t talk 11:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * My library has it on paper, but I'm about 10,000km from home until the end of next week. I can send you a scan after that.  Zerotalk 13:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It can wait. Thanks and enjoy your travels.  T i a m u t talk 13:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remind me. Meanwhile I sent you something else I just found. Zerotalk 16:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you ... that will make for some fascinating reading and could perhaps be useful to improving our articles on the subject.  T i a m u t talk 17:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally managed to see what you last sent (my email is wonky these days ... can't send anything from there and it takes hours to load old pages ... I'm sure I've missed some important mails altogether). Thanks for sending it. Can't understand why it was paraphrased the way it was (or I can, but its better left unsaid). I was wondering if I could trouble you to send a few pages of the article I asked for above. Just one or two before the excerpt in question (if you think it would suffice to give it context, or perhaps the one or two pages after it? use your judgement, which has repeatedly shown to be superb). Fully agree with what you said at the Lydda page too by the way ... and would add that I tried to broach the subject earlier, which no success (see here and check out the linked article).  T i a m u t talk 16:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, it isn't the article you suspected, but I sent both. Please check your email. Zerotalk 10:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  T i a m u t talk 17:25, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary
Wishing Zero0000 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust Talk to me  Contribs  00:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Urgent
Would you mind coming and giving your mind on commons asap :. This discussion has been re-opened. Many thanks. Noisetier (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Schechtman
I just wanted to mention since you said you had copies of the two pamphlets he anonymously authored. I have these too. They show that Walid Khalidi was wrong in his article Why did the Palestinians Leave on (at least) two points: 1)The publisher of the articles, and 2) saying Schechtman's pamphlet was responsible for the "elaborate story" of the broadcasts. The only mention of broadcasts by Schechtman in those pamphlets is the one that was said by the "oft-cited" article in the Spectator to have occurred in Haifa. He mentions it as evidence of pressure exerted by the Arab side to evacuate, not as evidence of broadcasts of same. How much pressure was exerted by Arabs is a matter of debate, but the "broadcasts" issue is hyped bigtime by Khalidi and others, imo, and acts as a strawman to deflect from the real issue of responsiblity. Just saying. Snakeswithfeet (talk) 06:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right that he got the publisher wrong. I'm not sure that the Israeli Information Office even existed then.  Khalidi also focusses too much on the "broadcast" aspect of the claim that the Arab flight was planned, but otherwise he seems to be correct.  Schechtman was probably the first to publish the allegation "the mass exodus of the Arab population was deliberately stimulated to serve the political ends of the Arab leadership" (Facts and Figures, p13). Schechtman continued to develop this theme and his book The Arab Refugee Problem (1952) has 5 pages devoted to "proving" it.  That 1952 book seems to be the main source for scores of following books. Zerotalk 13:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Some history resurfacing
Hi Zero, just wanted to let you know that some comments you made 7 years ago here Talk:Palestine/Archive_5 have been very helpful in this article Timeline of the name Palestine. Thought it might be nice to know that all those archived talk pages are not lost forever! Oncenawhile (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Administrator review of Quds Day and Ramot
This message is to inform you that I have initiated an administrator review of the recent editing at the articles and. This review will result in any editors whose conduct is disruptive being sanctioned under the provision of WP:ARBPIA. You are welcome to participate in the review, which is located at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Regards, AGK  [&bull; ] 12:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, although my post at AE was 24 minutes earlier than yours, it was directed some of the issues you've raised there including socking, reverts and how to admin the area. Btw, have you considered archiving this talk page? There's a lot here.... Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It took longer than 24 minutes for me to write my post.  Btw, is there any big technical reason for archiving rather than collapsing? Zerotalk 06:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think even if things are collapsed, the page will still need to load all of the messages - the collapsing action only occurs after it has all loaded? That meant that for users who were/are stuck on dialup/slow connection speeds for whatever reason, it would take unreasonably long to access the user talk page they are trying to view or post to. When the content is moved to another page, there is no extra content to load. Mind you, I'm no techie; this is just what I found when I was stuck on slow speeds a couple of years back. I don't know if 100+ messages has the same effect as it did back then (for all I know, maybe we could get away with 300 before it started causing problems for the faster connection speeds), but I guess it's better to draw the line somewhere to be on the safe side. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:34, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Zero: At your first convenience, please see my recent comment to you at AE. Regards, AGK  [&bull; ] 20:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Bayt Nuba
User:Tiamut/Bayt Nuba. Yes, please help. I don't have time to do much (so tired at the end of the day). So whatever you can do is appreciated. You can edit there directly, or we can move into mainspace as a stub and work there. The only advantage to waiting is that we could move it when its ready to nom for DYK without working under the pressure of a five day time limit.  T i a m u t talk 18:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow. Thanks for your input there. I'll get to workingon incorporating all that ASAP. Question though: what is the best way to proceed regarding NW's ridiculous bloc of Nableezy? Should there be an WP:AN post on this?  T i a m u t talk 14:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * AN will be appropriate if nobody is willing to step in. Zerotalk 14:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, Sandstein is declining to do anything and advising Nableezy to plead his case with NW himself, pledging not to repeat the conduct that got him blocked (?!?) which was .... well, nobody understands exactly. Shall I go ahead? Or do you want to do it?  T i a m u t talk 20:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to be resolved now? Zerotalk 01:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess so. I'm deeply unsatisfied by the way Nableezy has been treated, but I don't see what other recourse there is for now. Thanks for your prompt responses to this and my questions about Bayt Nuba and its environs. Happy editing.  T i a m u t talk 10:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Pokepoke
Hello. You blocked user:Foo Bar Buzz Netz for 12 hours, not 24 hours as you said. Just thought I'd point it out. Bramble  claw  x   15:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I sent you en email. Could you please answer this ? Thx. Noisetier (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that User talk:Foo Bar Buzz Netz's concern is likely to be valid and by a good-faith user. I need to look up some material to confirm I've got it rightm and get clear in my mind where to go from here, then I'll fill you in further and consult. Can you unblock him as a first step, while we sort the rest out? Thanks. FT2 (Talk 21:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been appraised of another view of this issue, and I oppose unblocking, because we should not free a user to cast aspersions where a breach of policy has not been publicly demonstrated. I don't know what FT2's interest in this is, but he should not be providing sensitive off-wiki information to new users -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I also oppose unblocking, and would encourage more investigation into the details of the Foo Bar account. I'd also like to see an address to the larger problem that drive-by/short-term accounts in the I/P area who are obviously experienced users pose for the Wiki. We've seen a tremendous upsurge in such accounts in the last three months or so; they come in, make these rapid fire POV reverts, and are gone, evidently on to the next account.


 * Because they usually operate only for a few days of actual editing, they usually don't leave enough behavioral evidence behind to tie them to any other account. They appear to be sophisticated enough to defeat checkuser tools, and they cause editors who uphold the rights of the Palestinian people (they nearly always seem to edit from a stridently pro-Israeli orientation) to have to "burn" a 1rr edit to restore balance to an article, with established pro-Israeli editors then free to do whatever they like with the article. We really need a comprehensive solution to this problem. It seriously compromises the integrity of our editorial process. –  OhioStandard  (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Foo Bar Buzz Netz and Noisetier: - I have provided basic background by email to the admins involved - Boing and Zero - (to a point they can understand the background but not to the point of breaching privacy policy), as a first step, to see whether they believe the matter can be dealt with on-wiki. If there is consensus it can be addressed on-wiki then this information will be posted at WP:ANI for the community to discuss and to also consider how to avoid it in future. If consensus is that it cannot easily or safely be resolved on-wiki, I will suggest the matter is treated per Blocking policy and referred to Arbcom to decide upon. There's a good chance it can be handled safely on-wiki but I'd like to consult briefly before making such a call, in case I'm wrong or others aren't convinced.

I hope all involved will hold off any posts or escalation until we at least have clarity of consultation whether it can be handled on-wiki. Hopefully as all concerned are active right now, we'll have this within a short while (24 hrs latest). Thanks. FT2 (Talk 00:05, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Appreciated, thanks - I got your email, but it's 01:07am here and I need some zzzzzzzzzz - will get back to you tomorrow -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've commented at User talk:Foo Bar Buzz Netz -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:BLPTALK and Caroline Glick
User:Zero0000, please consider that your assertion here may conflict with Wikipedia guidelines at WP:BLPTALK, as Caroline Glick is a living person. I suggest you either support your statement with a source or strike it out.—Biosketch (talk) 07:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a bit dubious, since placing someone on the left-right spectrum is obviously just a subjective opinion and is too vague to be taken as a claim of a fact about a person.  But poking around led me to Btselem's reply to Glick's charges.  Makes hot reading.  More on the other page. Zerotalk 12:16, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, but to be on the safe side and for future reference I've started a discussion at WP:BLPN.—Biosketch (talk) 07:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It does seem excessive, undue and unnecessary to compare one of our living subjects, a journalist, to someone from history whose campaigns often resulted in the wholesale massacres of civilian populations, and I would also request you strike it. Please be a bit more cautious in comparisons you make in regard to living people in future. Off2riorob (talk) 07:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Answered at WP:BLPN. Maybe you are not familiar with the expression?  Zerotalk 07:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The so called expression is undue, unnecessary and excessive. Two people are here now opining as such and asking you simply strike that small piece. Doing so will remove nothing by way of understanding from your comment. Off2riorob (talk) 07:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Azzam Pasha and Momentous Massacres
Hi you said that you have a copy of the news paper in which Pasha's alleged statement about massacring jews in the 1984 war can be found. i haven't seen any upload of it. did you scan it? i don't need translation and i'll be happy to see it, can you provide me with a copy? MrZaf (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Send me email using the "E-mail this user" button on this page and I will send it to you. Zerotalk 01:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * sorry, i can't find this button... can you direct link me to the button or give me direction on where it is ? thanks. -never mind, found it. (i'm new here :) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrZaf (talk • contribs) 12:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Try this. You need to have set up your own email address (in your preferences) before it will work. Zerotalk 04:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I would also be very interested in getting a copy of the Ahkbar Al-Yawm, October 11, 1947 piece that you have. I do not see the "email this user" button anywhere, and the link you provided for the other user sends me to a page that says error. If you could email it to challahhuakbar@gmail.com that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Challahhuakbar (talk • contribs) 03:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Indented lineNevermind, I have found the "email user" button. Thanks!--Challahhuakbar (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Mufti
Another example of history resurfacing - I found your scan of the transcript in the article archives. Have a look at this - it seems that this mis-quote became part of the zionist propaganda effort immediately and over time became accepted as fact. Did you ever hear back from Fisk (the archives suggested you emailed him)? Oncenawhile (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

An honest critique
Hi Zero,

About your request, unfortunately I don't have any info on Al-Jiftlik that might be helpful. And instead of being helpful, I'm coming here to make a request.

I need an outside set of eyes to take a look at 2011 Syrian uprising. I have some strong opinions on this subject which I suspect may be influencing my editing there. What I need is someone who respects sources and NPOV without a bone to grind to take a look at the article and some of my recent edits there, and to be brutally honest in assessing how they could be improved, if at all, to be better in line with NPOV. I think the article has a perceptible tilt towards favouring the opposition narrative over the government narrative. Perhaps there is no tilt and my opinions on the subject are overshadowing my objectivity or perhaps there is a tilt bt its justifiable? Your opinion would be very much appreciated.  T i a m u t talk 20:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Jaffa massacre
Napoleonic quote belongs better at Jaffa. Tel Aviv history should include summary of adjacent town. Chesdovi (talk) 12:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You are right, I'll move it. But tomorrow, really I shouldn't be doing Wikipedia at all. Zerotalk 12:40, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? Have you been permanently banned? Chesdovi (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Dream on :). No, I have urgent work to do in real life.  Zerotalk 13:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Question about Bil'in
Yesterday, shortly after my edit at Bil'in in relation to the West Bank barrier, you also edited the article, removing one of the two references I included as a source for the added content. My question is, Was your edit on account of Bil'in being on your watchlist, or is it that I am on your watchlist? As you may know, the issue of users tracking one another's edit histories in the I/P area has come up recently, with one user in particular,, accusing me rather harshly of being obsessed with his edits. In his case, it was for making one edit at an article I had been involved in fairly recently and that was on my watchlist and for a second edit at another article that I'd never before contributed to and that wasn't on my watchlist at the time. Your last edit at Bil'in was over a year ago, yet your edit yesterday was less than two hours after mine. I suppose you're not under any obligation to explain to me the circumstances of your edit, but input from you could be helpful to me regarding my own conduct in the topic area in the future. Thanks.—Biosketch (talk) 06:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have every locality in Palestine/Israel on my watchlist (unless I missed some), so I'm likely to notice any edits made to those articles. Btw, I have a lot of reliable sources supporting what I said about A7 and you can see for yourself that it is nonsense by checking the distance of Bilin from the airport. Zerotalk 07:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Then I'm to understand that your edit at the article was on account of it being on your watchlist and not on account of routinely monitoring my edit history. Ok. About Arutz Sheva, I'm not contesting your removal of the source, although my guess is that it would pass WP:NPOVN scrutiny if I were to insist on it. We don't disqualify Human Rights Watch reports even though they're consistently biased against the settlements and their inhabitants and are completely open about whom they're out to get, so unless Arutz Sheva has a history of unreliable reports it shouldn't be a problem either. It's a moot point in this case, though, because there was the Haaretz reference and you didn't challenge the content of my edit. My query was strictly behavior-related.—Biosketch (talk) 07:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A closer analogy would be Ma'an News Agency. In my opinion, all of these polemic sources, including HRW, can be used as sources of opinion but should be identified as the source and the opinion should be something worth reporting (not just vague predictable statements). I would not source something to HRW without something like "According to Human Rights Watch, ....".  Zerotalk 07:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Antonio Arnaiz-Villena
I have posted a complaint at []. Should I just leave they write as they wish? Could you recommend us anyboby in WP able to stop this? I have noticed you wrote in A A-V page and are interested in Jewish (Middle East) affaires. Thank you for your patience (9 years is too much).

Another point:now it is very fashionable in newspapers to criticize WP because "it is used by all kind of interested organizations".In fact,in Spain an office for Internet data violation will be available since July 1st.Apparently one has only to report the case by Internet and fill in a short questionaire.

Do not you think that in the Wikileaks Epoch,WP could ask more data (full name or IP) for editing LPB?Symbio04 (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

On Symbio04 (Arnaiz-Villena) user page
Hello.COuld you please take a look at what is written in user:Symbio04 main page, accusing other editors of spoiling (and attributing that opinion to you) and making other asserts and conspiracy theories (for example accusations against A-V were raised after a public countable inspection which missed a great quantity of money....). I thought that user pages were not intended for that use. Am I mistaken? Regards. Dumu Eduba (talk) 13:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I left a warning on his talk page. Beyond that, I am at the A-V article as an administrator and will steadfastly ignore any dispute on that page that might be remotely connected to the areas I edit in.  I only intend to address the Basque matter, which I am totally uninvolved in. Zerotalk 14:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I hope you can understand I (and some other editors) am tired of the behaviour of those "users" and their aggressive manners. Maybe, instead of wasting your time looking at the precedent of that bunch of puppets, you could ask to any administrator who had been involved in this nasty question (since the times he pretended he had the right to add a page on his alleged discoveries.....), because this is the never ending story. Every some months he comes back with the same accusstaion and complaining, he contact with a "new" admin who does not know the previous cases, and the same story has to be repeated.... it is a mockery Dumu Eduba (talk) 16:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Hey! I'm looking to de-redlink this template and I wonder if you could assist me with your valued opinion and shared knowledge on these questions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#1985_PLO_ships_bombing Shoplifter (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Switzerland?
Don't say "a very long journey." It sounds as if you may never be coming back. Chesdovi (talk) 16:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Palestine Post article on Mamilla Cemetery
Hi Zero0000,

I'm working on completely revamping the Mamilla Cemetery article and was wondering if you have access to the Thursday, July 22, 1945, edition of the Palestine Post where it was reported that:

"An area of over 450 dunams [111 acres] in the heart of Jerusalem, now forming the Mamillah Cemetery, is to be converted into a business centre. The townplan is being completed under the supervision of the Supreme Muslim Council in conjunction with the Government Town Planning Adviser. A six-storeyed building to house the Supreme Muslim Council and other offices, a four-storeyed hotel, a bank and other buildings suitable for a college, a club and a factory are to be the main structures. There will also be a park to be called the Salah ed Din Park, after the Muslim warrior of Crusader times."

I'd like to see the full article contents if possible and use it as a source. Currently, this is quoted in our article by way of an op-ed in the New York Daily News, and i"d like to use the original instead and see what else is in there.

Hope your travels are going well.  T i a m u t talk 20:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You can search the entire PP at http://jpress.nli.org.il/publications/PPost-en.asp . July 22 1945 was a Sunday.  I don't see anything offhand but I won't have time to search properly until tomorrow.  Let me know if you find anything meanwhile.  Incidentally, the OCR is woeful so often words are not recognised; it means you have to search in multiple ways to find things.  Zerotalk 21:07, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Found it here at entry #1. Seems the date of the article was Thursday, November 22, 1945 (I got the date from the Hier's article in NYDN, which he apparently got wrong). Thanks for the link. Please pitch in there if you get a chance. ` T i a m u t talk 21:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also highly relevant article December 18, 1945, p4. Zerotalk 21:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Ariel (city)
dear ZERO, could you please read my last comment on Talk:Ariel (city) and re-write accordingly? thanks!--62.219.119.17 (talk) 17:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

AbdulHornochsmannn?
Cheers, Huldra (talk) 12:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.161.76
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.92.27.173
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WrentchTosser


 * Possibly, not I'm not sure. Zerotalk 12:21, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * Yummy! Zerotalk 14:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

A Palestinian rabbi for you!
Thanks for your support at the Afd on Palestinian rabbis. Chesdovi (talk) 14:23, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Wayback
Hello, thank you very much for finding the wayback for the time article I asked for. If you don't mind, can you tell me how you found it? I tried to use the wayback machine, but did not get any results for that article (or any of the other articles from that part of time magazine online). Any clue what I'm doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

RFD
Hello -- at Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 July 22 consensus was reached to retarget the "Pro-Palestinian" redirect from "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" to "Palestinian cause". On 14 August 2011 Articles for deletion/Palestinian cause was closed as "Redirect to Israeli-Palestinian conflict", inadvertently reversing the consensus reached at the RfD regarding the "Pro-Palestinian" redirect (the redirect was not mentioned during the discussion). In subsequent discussion at Talk:Pro-Palestinian it has been suggested that both redirects ("Pro-Palestinian" and "Palestinian cause") would be better targeted at Palestinian nationalism. It was also agreed to initiate a widely-advertised RfD, with notifications to relevant WikiProjects and participants in the AfD and RfD. Accordingly, your comments are invited at Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 August 26. Best, —Ireilly talk —Preceding undated comment added 09:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC).

Intl law and Israeli settlements
Im going to start compiling sources in my userspace that specifically discuss the view of the "international community", not ones that make an argument one way or the other. I started with the ones I quoted earlier here, but any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.  nableezy  - 06:38, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:New Historians
I've made this template to provide oversight to the articles related to the NH. Just wanted to check with you if there are any other relevant articles that can/should be included. Thanks! Shoplifter (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

merge of Amka and Amqa
There is a currently ongoing merger proposal discussion regarding merging of Amqa article into the previously created article of Amka. According to sources and geographic location we are speaking of different prenounsation of the same place name Amka/Amqa/Amca, the same as Acre/Acco/Akko and Tiberias/Tabariya/Tveriya. As done with other towns/cities, all time periods are listed in one article.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Explanation
Hi Zero,

I just remembered that you had sent me a message about email some time ago with sources I had requested. I'm sorry, but my email is no longer working. Its been on and off accessible for some time and recently I've lost all access. I still haven't got a new one in the vain hope I'll sort out the problems with the old one. Anyway, sorry again for troubling you without following up.  T i a m u t talk 17:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, let me know when it is stable and we'll figure out if anything wasn't delivered. Zerotalk 02:18, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Laccognathus embryi
Sorry can't reply through email, at the moment, wrestling with problems in Yahoo, ugh. Had to use another computer to forward your email to an alternate email account of mine so I can download the attachment. But I got it finally, so thanks heaps! The paper will be really helpful for the 3d reconstruction I'm making.--  Obsidi ♠ n   Soul   01:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Pictures...
Thanks for clearing up this. I have another question, this time about Az-Zakariyya; I found three pictures in the Matson-collection of the same place, taken over a number of years (=notice the same three in the front!)..however, I am not sure wether it is Az-Zakariyya, or Zakariyya, Khirbat, or perhaps even a third place? The Matson-collection identifies it with one of the Biblical Sukkot (place)s; namely the one mention in the Book of Judges. However, what little I have found on that Succoth in SWP indicate that Conder et.al found it further north, in the Beisan-district. And these pictures are clearly not from there, as one is marked "Southern Palestine, Hebron, Beersheba and Gaza area." Any suggestions? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I see an identification of Succoth with Khirbet Abbad (SWP III, 104; Guerin Judee III, 332; but neither of those give the identification). It was only a few km away from Az-Zakariyya, so I think that one is a reasonable identification.  You could compare the photos to the photos in Khalidi. Zerotalk 01:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There seem to have been considerable confusion/discussion about Succoth, see eg this discussion from QS, 1877 p.81ff.
 * There are 3 pictures in Khalidi, and someone has scanned them and uploaded them all: house, mosque and village site. At the same place someone has uploaded one of the Matson-pictures: here, however, that does not mean that it is correct! But the Mason-pictures do remind me of the "village site"-picture in Khalidi, so I think I will take the chance.

On another note; your edits to Al-Shajara etc; now, I understand the reasoning that it was not Hadawis survey, and should therefore not be referred to as such. However, earlier it had direct links to the relevant pages (p73 & 123), but not anymore. Is there a reason for you removing them? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 05:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess it was laziness, as the template I made doesn't have a url field. Specifically,  creates
 * However, I will see if I can add a url field to the template that allows an optional replacement url. Zerotalk 08:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, testing...
 * Seems to work ;). Zerotalk 08:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Great; I like to click directly to the page (my laziness..;) ). And also; I just found the picture I just added to the Az-Zakariyya-article in Khalidi, it is actually on p. 206, on the introduction to the District of Hebron. So that problem solved. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 08:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to work ;). Zerotalk 08:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Great; I like to click directly to the page (my laziness..;) ). And also; I just found the picture I just added to the Az-Zakariyya-article in Khalidi, it is actually on p. 206, on the introduction to the District of Hebron. So that problem solved. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 08:47, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

AE request
Hello. You may have noticed that I've made an AE request against No More Mr Nice Guy. It looked to me as though Talknic was being hazed by a number of editors on the 1948 Arab Israeli War article talk page. I struck out a comment of NMMNG's, ""How about you desist wasting everyone's time with your silly trolling," which, since Talknic was discussing in a civil and reasoned way, looked unacceptably offensive to me. The comment was then reinstated, struck out by me once more and reinstated again. NMMG has pointed out that you had earlier told Talknic: "You seem to be trolling. It's time to ignore you on this issue." It certainly didn't look to me as though Talknic was deliberately trying to provoke disruption, but perhaps I'm not aware of something that happened earlier. I wonder whether you would comment here or at the AE noticeboard about whether you think that I have made a mistake and whether NMMG's talk page style needs toning down. If you think that I have made a mistake, I will withdraw the request and apologise. At the moment I'm recovering from a lung infection which caused problems like lack of sleep which have had an effect on my mood and judgement.       ←   ZScarpia  17:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Look magazine
Hi! I haven't gotten the article yet! I'll see if somebody who can access it for free can get a copy of it... WhisperToMe (talk) 14:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC) Anyway, do you know what the kanji is of Shizuka Saeki, the author of the article? I've been having trouble finding it. I'd like to post it in the section about Japanese names in English WhisperToMe (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can get it, that would be so awesome! WhisperToMe (talk) 16:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay - Please let me know around tuesday if you got the volume WhisperToMe (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright - My e-mail is whisper (dot) world (at) yahoo (dot) com - Thank you very much :) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Now see Japanese_name :) WhisperToMe (talk) 14:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohhh! Tee hee! ;)
 * I made a post on the WikiProject Japan page.
 * I also tried looking up their old website, but haven't found nothing yet
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

mysterious revert
Hi,

Are you aware that you reverted a routine edit of mine at WT:V here? Unscintillating (talk) 16:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Merging Isdud into Ashdod
Merge proposal of Isdud into Ashdod has been recently relisted for further discussion to find clarifications and consensus prior to merge. As a former contributor please clarify your opinion. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Al-Hamma, Tiberias
Hi, I´m trying to get Al-Hamma, Tiberias DYK-ready (was tempted when I saw there were pictures on commons..) Would be very happy for any help, especially co-ord., which are now missing. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll be onto it soon. Zerotalk 01:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help on Al-Hamma, Tiberias! Next project is Al Jalama, Tulkarm (which already checks out ok according to my DYK-check)..however, still a lot to add post-1948 from Benvenisti and Morris. Anything you could add would be appreciated, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Sha'ab, Israel
Hi, According to Petersen, Hütteroth and Abdulfattah writes that the place had a population of 139 households but, alas, Petersen does not write their religion (which I believe  HA normally gives?)   Could you please fill in the details there, if you have them?

Also, the 1931 census report, does it mention Sha'ab?

Cheers Huldra (talk) 07:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Alon Shvut
You helped me a lot with your comment. Most of my editing has been in the Comics project. The sources there are a little different, mostly the comics themselves or comics news sites. I'm a little bit on new ground here with sources but you'll see that I learn fast. I think it'll be good for both of us if we're a little less aggressive, but it's alright. I argue some things because it seems they need to be argued. We all have a lot to learn. At any rate, thanks for the help. I'll turn to you soon to verify some sources for Tel-Zecharia but I'm busy with some other things in the meantime. MichaelNetzer (talk) 01:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for the link. I downloaded more than half the articles and will hopefully do the other half before it's stopped. Excellent archive. MichaelNetzer (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Vandalisation of Israeli history
Yes, that's right, vandalisation of history itself is what you are doing... according to this.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 17:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Please block
A few days ago I got several dozen emails from  this user, all the same nasty stuff. (email was Death2FakeJewsLikeRRance@mailinator.com, so it might be the Runtshit-vandal), Anyway, he was already blocked, thankfully. But just now I have gotten nearly 50 messages from  this joker, all  (well, the three I bothered to read!) with the charming message "Fakestinian vermin‏ I can't wait for you scum to be exterminated once and for all." Could you please block him? (Hmm, he  is going to exterminate all Scandinavians? Oh, dear.)  Done

Also; about co-ords: I´m sorry, that is one thing I know little about, I have only added co-ords as I have gotten them from others. But it sure seems silly to give co-ords down to the  centimeters. So yeah; I agree: out with the decimals. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 14:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Coordinates
I don't really mind. Back in the day I wrote a tool to make it easy to add coordinates. The tool gets precise Google Maps coordinates and outputs something I can copy and paste, so I don't usually check the roundness of the numbers. However, if it is important to you, I can do this in the future, and possibly modify the tool. —Ynhockey (Talk) 21:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Tira, Israel
If you have the time, could you please check the 1596 -census for Tira, Israel? It is (partly) given in Peterson, alas, he does not give the religion of the villagers. Oh, and I found I actually have a copy 1931 census ; I had forgotten that! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 03:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong location! Hutteroth references al-Tira (Ramla).  I can't see this Tira in Hutteroth at all. Zerotalk 10:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whaw. This is definitely the worst mistake I have found in Petersen so far. Not only is the 1596 date wrong, so is SWP and Guerin! (Khalidi has Hutteroth & SWP correctly listed under  al-Tira (Ramla).) The SWP-ref is a dead give-away that something is wrong: it refers to map XIV, while  Tira, Israel is clearly on map XI.
 * I´m going to make a list on the talk-page of  Tira, Israel  of  the sources he use, and if they are ok or not. (Btw: I checked and rechecked wether it was me who had placed it wrongly; it isn´t, Petersen clearly  gives the coords of   Tira, Israel  and describes it as "a modern village, with a core of traditional stone houses". There is a (partly) old mosque there, which he inspected in 1995.
 * Anyway, thanks for spotting this! Huldra (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, here is how the identification of sites in Hutteroth goes. The tax registers are organized into liwas and nahiyas.  Hutteroth used the approximately known nahiya boundaries to identify key villages by their names, then used this to draw more accurate nahiya boundaries. Then they identified as many villages as possible using historical maps and gave their conclusions by naming the map and giving grid coordinates. In this case the grid coordinates they give are those of al-Tira (Ramla). Sometimes they mark their identification as uncertain and sometimes they don't even guess.  Today I'll send you a map from Hutteroth showing the nahiya boundaries. That will be enough to identify most incorrect identifications if the nahiya name is given in the reference to Hutteroth. Zerotalk 00:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks a lot. Btw, the liwas are given in the Peteren-book online: p197. Also; any help finding out which Petersen-ref for Tira are ok (look at the talk-page), would be appreciated.  I am really surprised: everything else has basically checked out fine with the Petersen-book. (ok, a few typos)  Ah well, nobody is perfect, Cheers, 00:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC

Ooopsh, there seems to be a MFU (="Major F... Up", as we said at a place I worked) at Tayibe, as well; I have noted it on the talk-page; the Guérin-ref is revealing: some correct; some not. I want to go through all of the refs (eventually), ..but for now, if you could please  check the  "HG"-ref (=Hütteroth and  Abdulfattah), it would be great. (And yeah: it look as it P. looked at the index of old books, & noted it down), (Hmmmprh:  I  now just want to  through all my edits... wherever I have added something to an article which has a  "See also/For other meanings, see/For other uses, see", etc. the top: recheck it). Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:49, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm confused about Hutteroth. Please tell me the grid coordinates Petersen has (two 3-digit or two 4-digit numbers near the start of the entry).  In fact, please always tell me that when you ask about a location, it makes it much easier to check  Hutteroth and some other sources. Thanks. Zerotalk 23:23, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, he gives for Tayba: Location  1513.1858   32.16N/35.01E   This Tayba is on map XI of SWP,  the West Bank one is on map XIV. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 10:50, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is on page 141. See for yourself (check your email).  Zerotalk 13:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was very useful. I see you have found Taybeh, West Bank, is p. 116. I assume that means the Taybeh Petersen refers to on 157, 160 must be  Taybes no 3 & 4.  Huldra (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Alon Shvut discussion at IPCOL
Hi Zero, just to let you know I asked for outside advice on disagreements over Alon Shvut that you're also party to. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 04:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Is Aretz Sheva a reliable source?
Is the Pope an atheist? PiCo (talk) 10:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

White Buses
I have added some references to the article about the White Buses and can add more, would be good with some outside help of what need references. Ulflarsen (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Taibe
Thanks for the information. I made the changes once on the refs, because I wasn't aware of Huldra's work or reasoning, and followed the standard I was aware of. Her explanation sheds new light on the subject and it makes more sense now, so no problem on that. -MichaelNetzer (talk) 06:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

John of Damascus
Do you have acces to this paper? I need to read it to help settle a dispute over this man's family background. Hope you are well.  T i a m u t talk 19:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That volume is on paper and stored off-site. However I requested it and will have it on Monday.  The journal is now called "Ancient Near Eastern Studies".  Would a paper "John of Damascus on Islam" be the right one?  Zerotalk 22:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure ... it may be the earlier paper he wrote. Sorry I didn't provide you with the full details ... its D. Sahas, "John of Damascus on Islam Revisited" in Abr-Nahrain 23 (1984-85), 105-118 . My bad ...  T i a m u t talk 18:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, my bad. It has the title you say.  Zerotalk 01:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Check your email. Zerotalk 13:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sha'ab, Israel
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Rechelim
"Rachelim" isn't a valid plural form in Hebrew. If you have some background, you probably know that nouns like "Ya'el" and "Namer," and even adjectives like "Tsameh" and "Yareh," pluralize as "Ye'elim," "Nemerim," "Tseme'im," and "Yere'im." An exception is "Panther," which becomes "Pantherim," but it's probably either because the word has a different vowel configuration or because it's a loan word.—Biosketch (talk) 06:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Request

 * See your talk page. Zerotalk 07:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Map question
Hello Zero. Ynhockey has claimed that the location of Jerusalem in this map in inaccurate here. Could you please take a look? Thanks,  nableezy  - 15:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, unrelated to this, if you have access, could you please email me this article? Thanks,  nableezy  - 16:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Check your email for the latter. I'm at a conference and will look at the former when I can.  Zerotalk 06:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk page size
Hm, at 250.000 bytes, even rollback on this page gets a little slow. Have you considered moving those collapsible boxes to subpages? → Σ  τ  c. 01:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Jerusalem: Abode of Peace
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Katzrin and the mythical largest city
Do you think Haaretz might publish a correction to this article?  nableezy  - 21:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I doubt it, due to the time delay. Zerotalk 21:31, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Topic ban appeal
I am appealing the topic ban that WG issued on November 30th and thought you might want to comment.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 07:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Responding to concerns about the need for further evidence and explanation there are now two sections under the headings "Clarification on distortions" and "On efforts at consensus" at my appeal detailing extensively my objection to the topic ban. It does contain a considerable amount of information, but all of it is relevant to the questions raised about my editing behavior and the reasons given for the topic ban. I do not think the situation can be really understood with a single paragraph or two of comments with half a dozen diffs provided without any context in a complicated case.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 21:53, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

que
can you explain exactly what and why you were Talking to me? -DePiep (talk) 00:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey Dude
Hi Zero. I'm outta here. Appreciate your work. Apologies for any abrasiveness on my part in the heat of discussion. Keep up the good work

Happy New Year

... talknic (talk) 18:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)