User talk:Zero0000/Archive 2

Archive 1
Older talk archived at: User_talk:Zero0000/Archive_1

I was simply restoring what someone else wrote about The West Bank and Gaza Strip under international law. It was deleted after someone defaced it and I simply restored it.

Zero, thanks for your kind comments on Binational solution - unfortunately I've been laid up with flu for a few days, so I'll have to take another crack at it after Xmas. -- ChrisO 21:07, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hev you seen the Timeline of Anti-Semitism page? Is that a joke? I am furious. Danny 02:23, 25 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Time to start archiving your Talk page. I am curious to hear your response to an article I added last night: Refusal to serve in the Israeli military. I translated it from the Hebrew Wikipedia. Danny 14:45, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. If anyone gives a hard time with it, it is a direct translation of the Hebrew Wikipedia article, done at 1:00 am, so excuse any English problems you find. Based solely on memory, there were no refusals to dismantle settlements at the time of Yamit. My memory is pretty good though, because I was in Sinai at the time of the withdrawal and have an unusual perspective on what actually happened (long story ...). If there was any refusal, I don't remember it, but the phenomenon could also go back earlier to the mid-1970s and Kedumim. Danny 15:51, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi. Everything is sooooo slow, and I have to run to work, so I will answer quickly. MaTKaL (&#1502;&#1496;&#1499;"&#1500;) is an acronym for (&#1502;&#1496;&#1492; &#1499;&#1500;&#1500;&#1497;) so I kept just the letters that appear. It is not a word per se. I have heard of the group you mention--in fact, over the past few years there is a lot of discussion about refusal in the Hebrew press, so it may be worth mentioning several of the incidents, but I don't know much more about that particular group. I would distinguish too between regular army service and miluim (reserve). More people get out of the latter--most people get out of the latter, for a variety of reasons (Israeli men have the highest percentage of back problems in the world). Is it ideological or is it just that miluim is a pain in the ass? Hard to tell, but I would guess the latter. I did have a personal experience about 8 years ago, when I told my officer that I have no problem doing miluim, but that I refuse to serve in a settlement. They accepted that, and actually respected my tenacity (... but Danny, the settlement has a swimming pool ...) and put me somewhere else. Seems like ages ago now ... Essentially, I translated the page from the Hebrew, but it can certainly be updated. It might be interesting to add the Aviv Gefen story too. Danny 13:00, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I just can't keep up. I did some reverts earlier but it is getting frustrating. Check out my note, btw, on OneVoice's page. You might need your handy dandy Hebrew-English dictionary. Then again, so might he ... Danny 01:28, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi, an anonymous user just left a message on my Talk page. Was it you not logged in??? --Viajero 12:31, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not Zero0000. -- 213.231.204.211 12:33, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The problem with Timeline of Anti-Semitism is that it allows partisans (to put it mildly) to make potshots without the other side being able to defend itself so to speak. Tuf-Kat's suggestion to rename it to history of anti-Semitism is probably the best solution. -- 213.231.204.211 10:43, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Your turn on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. According to you know who, I am now in danger of being banned. Danny 00:20, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Are you comfortable with the recent changes User:Zestauferov made to Semetic? (I'm not being bold & reverting because 1. I don't know that much about the subject, & 2. said user & I have had heated words over his contributions & I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. -- llywrch 22:26, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Good morning. You may wanna check the history of Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Vandalism in progress, as well as Adam and Humus Sapien's Talk pages. Danny 11:37, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

After an exchange with Jimbo, I have decided to take an extended leave of absence from Wikipedia. Good luck. If you need anything, I can be reached by private email on my homepage. Danny 16:39, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up this morning. I have not been spending much time here lately, partly because of other obligations, partly because the system has been so slow. Unfortunately, the debate over Israeli-Palestinian conflict took a turn for the worse via the mailing list this afternoon. If you are interested (and have a intestinal fortitude) the thread starts here (and will explain Danny's unfortunate message above): http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January/009151.html and gets worse here: http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January/009170.html and here: http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-January/009182.html This place is too easily dominated by zealots and fools, and alas they got the upper hand this time. Sadly, -- Viajero 21:45, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi again, apparently we were mistaken; the article wasn't deleted, only replaced with a redirect. According to Angela, there were two votes that it should be merged elsewhere. Jimbo, who has you will have seen in the above correspondence, has decided in his infinite wisdom that RK is in the right on this issue, has looked at the article and made the following pronouncement:


 * It seems clear to me that this is a valuable topic. I don't think that the version that was there when the redirect happened was at all bad, certainly much better than a lot of our articles.  Certainly, not so bad that it had to be removed!


 * There are a couple other countervailing views  but... Deep sigh ...


 * At this point, I don't know what to say except to point out that the turn of events reflects more than anything else that what you already know: the primitive, nay, infantile level of discourse on the topic in the US. (I don't know where you are from; I am American but have lived most of my adult life in Europe.)


 * I am going to wager a response; will post the URL here later. -- Viajero 09:11, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Are you promoting an anti-Zionist agenda? Didn't think so. A few words in your defense:
 * Also take a look at: User talk:Jimbo Wales. As you will have seen, Palestinian views of the peace process has risen from the dead. Will we ever be able to put a dagger through its miserable heart? -- Viajero 20:44, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks to some rigorous pruning by Martin, the above-mentioned is considerably less awful then when I posted it on VfD in December. See my comments on the Talk page. Perhaps you have a suggestion or two? -- Viajero 21:34, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero, are you in communication with Danny? I am very upset by this situation. What do you think can be done? Adam 06:31, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero, by all means post to wikien-L if you can but please don't go for a line-by-line refutation of the merits or lack thereof of the quotes (Danny did this offline with Jimbo already) because that shifts the argument into the parameters defined by its author, hence enevitably you will lose. The article (in its original form) was canard, a sophmoric attempt to portray Israel as a "victim" of the peace process, and should be denounced as such. IMO of course. -- Viajero 09:41, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Zero, RK says you and Danny are the same (the best defense is a good offence). So, to clear this up once and for all, I am going to ask Danny to send me a picture of his lower extremities. If he also have five of those little stubs at the end of each foot, it is clear you are one and the same -- if not cloned. ;-)
 * Regarding the list: did you use this page http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l or did you try to subscribe by email to mailto:wikien-l-request@Wikipedia.org?subject=subscribe ? If the one didn't work, try the other. In any event, the list server runs on the same server as everything else and it was dead slow today, so that may have screwed things up.
 * BTW, I posted a longish note to the list today arguing censorship was not at play. Since I posted three times today, I was reluctant to post a fourth, so I didn't mail the list you put together. It is quite long; maybe it would be best just to mail the URL. I realize you have limited time, but if you can get on the mailing list and argue forcefully why that material was a piece of rubbish, your voice would be most helpful.
 * Also, there is a longish interview with Benny Morris on the Haartez site in which our man chastise David B-G for getting cold feet. A snippet:
 * You went through an interesting process. You went to research Ben-Gurion and the Zionist establishment critically, but in the end you actually identify with them. You are as tough in your words as they were in their deeds.


 * "You may be right. Because I investigated the conflict in depth, I was forced to cope with the in-depth questions that those people coped with. I understood the problematic character of the situation they faced and maybe I adopted part of their universe of concepts. But I do not identify with Ben-Gurion. I think he made a serious historical mistake in 1948. Even though he understood the demographic issue and the need to establish a Jewish state without a large Arab minority, he got cold feet during the war. In the end, he faltered."


 * I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that Ben-Gurion erred in expelling too few Arabs?


 * "If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job. I know that this stuns the Arabs and the liberals and the politically correct types. But my feeling is that this place would be quieter and know less suffering if the matter had been resolved once and for all. If Ben-Gurion had carried out a large expulsion and cleansed the whole country - the whole Land of Israel, as far as the Jordan River. It may yet turn out that this was his fatal mistake. If he had carried out a full expulsion - rather than a partial one - he would have stabilized the State of Israel for generations."


 * I find it hard to believe what I am hearing.


 * "If the end of the story turns out to be a gloomy one for the Jews, it will be because Ben-Gurion did not complete the transfer in 1948. Because he left a large and volatile demographic reserve in the West Bank and Gaza and within Israel itself."


 * More at: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/380986.html -- Viajero 20:49, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi again, the article is probably in your watchlist, but if not, I expanded Benny Morris considerably with some of the stuff in the Haaretz interview. One contradiction that appears (at least to me) is that it looks like that in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem he determined that transfer was not premeditated but "born of war" whereas in Haaretz he says in so many words that there was a strategy behind it. Now I don't know whether this reflects new research or a changing POV. Not that you have special access to Morris's thoughts; just thinking aloud. -- Viajero 11:52, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero, has Danny actually returned, or has his User page merely been revived in some way? He doesn't appear actually to have replied to any of the messages at his Talk page. Adam 04:40, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero, you raised exactly the same objections to this paragraph months ago. I asked you then to write an alternative, but you didn't. I ask you again to do so. You can post it here until the page is unprotected. I think PMelville protected it. Both Zionism and anti-Zionism have been under sustained attack from the fanatic Zw - I could have used some assistance defending them. Adam 14:24, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for restarting debate on Saddam Hussein. I have confidence in your ability to edit my draft. I am still waiting for you to respond to my previous note to you. Adam 05:36, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That seems to be an excellent proposal, and you are quite right that is has a much better chance of success than mine does (although I think that some sort of hierarchy of users having different levels of access will be necessary in the long run). The problem is how to get it implemented. I would suggest forming a committee of experienced and respected users who can develop a formal proposal and put it to whoever makes these decisions. Adam 07:31, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps we can do the same process with Saddam Hussein. Adam 10:54, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Amalekites
I made this page a redirect to Amalek, as all the information was duplicated, and amalek is longer. let me know if this upsets you, Jack 09:19, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You did quite well from what I can see. I seem to have brought with me a number of interested parties, so this long neglected page is going to have a lot of "help" ;) Jack 11:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi Zero, I haven't been around much because of general system slowness but things appear to be back up to speed. I think your suggestion w.r.t trying an alternative approach to Anti-Zionism is an good one. At this point, it simply a matter of a like-minded souls taking the initiative. Given its current protected status, we certainly have nothing to lose. -- Viajero 23:13, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero, are you going to propose an alternative text for the paragraph of anti-Zionism you have objected to? Adam 12:18, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

k Adam 12:50, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

If you can improve the map, fine. There is obviously a problem of scale in the Jerusalem area, but I didn't want to make it too big overall. Perhaps a second map of Jerusalem might be in order. Adam 08:29, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Arab-Nazi relationship during World War II
Could you explain your objections to me (perferably on the Talk page of that article)? --Alex S 06:46, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi, the "seam" is the tefer or kav hatefer in Hebrew, which refers to the area in which the West Bank and Israel proper meet. The fence runs along the seam (or at least in theory it does--some West Bank areas have been included). Danny P.S. Just read the Hebrew. Definitely the area surrounding the fence. Danny 12:47, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hi, sorry it took so long to get back to you. Busy day at work. Security fence is the proper translation. Danny 23:48, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

In Hebrew, though, it is literally separation fence, but I have never seen it translated that way. Danny 23:51, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Interesting. I gotta start reading their English version. Danny 00:30, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

And now for this week's fun. Check out the recent editions to Talk:Anti-Semitism. Danny 00:47, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I translated the article for you. Very rough, but also very exact. Danny 00:34, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Zero0000, regarding your Talk:Population Transfer: must everything be an ultimatum? One could phrase this as: the pre-20th century period has numerous population transfers. this is the only one included on this page. perhaps we should have a separate page for pre-20th century. OneVoice 10:45, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint! And if you have time could you pretty please, please with sugar add some sources to that page? :) BL 17:10, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)

Have you seen this page: Terrorism against Israel in 2004. Yikes.... -- Viajero 23:45, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Repeating the Yikes! Danny 00:55, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but it is a waste of time to be bothered with it. If only the fanatics would spend all their time working on junk articles like that, the rest of us could write real encyclopedia articles without continual harrassment. --Zero 01:06, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * As much as I hate to see this place used for propaganda purposes, maybe you are right. What do you think Danny? Worth making a fuss about? -- Viajero 17:23, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Heads up: User talk:StarOfDavid http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=StarOfDavid
 * -- Viajero 14:27, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Re Anti-Zionism: Now that this article has been unprotected, I am going to remove the "disputed neutrality" tag unless those who dispute its neutrality identify which bits they object to and provide an alternative (this means you, Zero). Adam 03:54, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

FWIW: Faisal Weizmann Agreement. Viajero 19:25, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)~

your turn to revert OneVoice! -- Viajero 20:18, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

As StarOfDavid and OneVoice are different people - the notion that you and Viajero can treat them the same, just like with tag-team reverting them and others is not a legitimate use of sysop powers here. Same to Viajero - You seem to be using your powers to revert without explanation, and that is in my view bad. You seem to be in a mode by which you claim authority to dictate what material is or is not valid, and I want you to moderate yourself. Thanks. -&#25140;&#30505sv 21:44, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply -- from what I saw, and from the way OneVoice seemed to be sincere in wanting genuine dialogue, and thats enough for me. I dont need to go research his history - if he was as you say, then he may have just decided to be more civil. I dont care. I do however see what you and Viajero are doing, treating each and every one of their edits as vandalism, and though you probably are well intentioned, I dont think it has any merit. Its just as combative as was others tag-teamwork on the pro-Israeli side not very long ago.


 * Simply by treating StarOfDavid and OneVoice the same way, has the appearance of being so simply because they have the opposing view. Its like a Senator who takes money and then votes for the donor - it has the smell of inpropriety and this must be avoided. It will not be productive. OV has agreed to work with others in the A-I conflict wikiproject, and all motions toward working together should be honored. Apologies if this seems too fresh of a POV, but I happen to have had plenty of experience on this subject and dealing with polarist views. Sincerely- &#25140;&#30505sv 05:00, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I would like to formally invite you to join others at Wikiproject_Arab-Israeli_conflict to work with us toward resolving issues that have arisen and resulted in edit wars here at Wikipedia. Also, I would like to formally request that you agree, along with the rest of us, to refrain from editting each of the articles that are listed as currently under protection or subject to edit wars on that page till the issues regarding that particular article have been resolved and we have removed that article from the currently under protection or subject to edit wars list. OneVoice 15:31, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, your edit to Qibya massacre made no changes to the file. Perhaps you'd care to redo it?... -- Viajero 10:25, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Odd, I'll redo it, thanks. --Zero

About the Kfar Etzion massacre, here is a quote from The War for Palestine p.90:

"An Arab Legion detachment launched an all-out attack with armored cars and cannons, on Gush Etzion, a bloc of four Jewis settlements astride the Jerusalem-Hebron road. After the defenders surrendered, some were massacred by Arab villagers from the Hebron area and the rest were taken captive by the Arab Legion. (24)"

And in the footnote p.102:

"Major 'Abdullah al-Tall, who led the attack, reveals in his memoirs that he tricked Glubb Pasha into allowing him to rush reinforcements to another unit which was falseley repoted to have fallen into a Jewish ambush in Kfar Etzion."

To me this seem to suggest, especially the footnote, that the Arab Legion was atleast indirectly responsible for the massacre. What do you think? BL 10:24, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)

I sent you an email with some info on Gush Etzion that might be useful. It is a proposal for the new museum. Danny 03:48, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zero0000, can we stop this edit war. I have asked both Stevertigo and UncleEd to take a look. Please join us at the Oasis. OneVoice 23:20, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zero - thanks for letting me know about the Kfar Etzion article. I'm not an expert on the subject, and it seems you've done some very good work on finding resources, so I don't have any significant comments (at least not right now - I might be able to do some reading of my own over the weekend).

One minor reservation I have is about the term "Zionist settlements". While this might be technically correct, I find it awkward. The term "settlement" is now almost exclusively used for Israeli villages and towns constructed in the West Bank & Gaza Strip after 1967, and using it in a pre-1948 context is confusing. And while "Zionist" probably correctly describes the ideology held by the residents of Kfar Etzion, I'm sure none of them would have described it as a "Zionist kibbutz" (or "settlement"). The term "Jewish" is more appropriate (and indeed used further down the article when you refer to the defenders).

On a different issue - I'm growing a bit impatient waiting for better references for many items on the List of massacres committed during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. You made one pass over it, and removed items for which you found no sources - thanks for doing that. However, you did not specify any sources for the remaining items. Accusations of "massacres" are very serious, and the fact that many events are listed as such on this article, with no reliable source given, is discomforting. If you get the time to list the sources, please also make sure that the number of casualties given by them matches the number currently listed. It seems that there are great differences in the numbers given even by the two very biased sources which are given. -- uriber 19:11, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Regarding Kfar Etzion massacre, good work. Even a sweet photo and a stamp. You seem to have all your bases covered, not much I can add really. Only one thing I think you have missed. Kfar Etzion was the first clash between Haganah and the Arab Legion. But Etzion bloc was clearly within the area that according to the (secret) partition plan would become a part of Jordan. So why did the Zionists not evacuate the settlements earlier? And why did Abdullah choose to attack the settlement thereby being the first party to dent their "contract"? I know the Zionist leadership took the attack and massacre as a testament that they maybe couldn't trust Abdullah after all. Or maybe it was Abdullah that took the defense of the "illegal" settlement as an indicator that he couldn't trust the Zionists after all? Just some random thoughts. Another thing that irks me are your consequent spelling of Haganah "Hagana". Most books I've seen transliterates it to Haganah even if Hagana isn't uncommon either. Obviously you know more than me about these topic so I will just ask you; are you sure it's spelled "Hagana"? BL 16:40, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

Another inane edit. -- Viajero 21:16, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zero0000, would you like to add the material to which you are referring as an alternative to Morris's information OneVoice 15:17, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

FYI, new article: The Popular Resistance Committees -- Viajero 17:24, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

population transfer
This isn't an edit, but a cry for help. Edit, disregard, forward, whatever, but I do have questions for people interested in tdhis toic.

After 30 years of regarding the Middle East Mess with the samme detachment that I regarded African tribal brawls, it occurred to me that another oceanographer got his Nobel Prize for solving a similar mess, and thought I had an original idea. Simon's book disabused me of the originality. 2.5 years, and many books later, transfer still seems to me the only thing that has ever worked in the Middle East. But I kept hoping that I would find a historical analysis of Nansen's work in the Greco-Turkish transfer. British Library, ~Library of Congress, |Amazon, the web, and the 300,000 books at Kennyk's Exp[oert have turned up *nothing*. (The most common web return is Simon,s where I started.)

I find it astonishing that no one has analyzed this transfer. There are books and books on WW II European refugees, for instance.) Surely some Israeli PhD student has done at least a thesis on the Greco-Turkish transfer?  Anybody know anything?

There's a World Bank CD that describes how to organize involuntary transfers. We have moved 10 million reluctant people a year in the last decade, in aid of building dams, &c, so it is not a major project.

And it works. Cyprus, excluded from the G-T transfer, is the only trouble spot remaining from that conflict. (Overlooking such things as the inability to buy topo maps of Grecian mts, lest the evil Turks use them to invade.)

Added some details to Kfar Kassem massacre and changed some too. Still don't know that this double negation mean "the order was not of a kind that did not conform to the spirit of the times". The "Allah yirahmu" quote I couldn't verify at all. I'm sure you have the page on your watchlist anyway. :) BL 01:12, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Zero, I'm happy to inform you that you have been officially labled a "Zionist POV pusher" (by who if not our friend Wik, on his latest revert of Jerusalem). I bet that doesn't happen to you much. Anyway, welcome to the club, and I hope you enjoy your new status. :-)

More seriously - I listed the dispute both on Current disputes over articles and on Requests for comment. Somehow I have a feeling it won't stop here, and I'll have to go into the next stages of Dispute resolution. I hope I'm wrong. -- uriber 16:53, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I am going to leave Ezra's changes for a while. Too tired to keep fighting with everyone who wants to insert their POV as fact. You should have seen Menachem Mendel Schneerson and associated articles just yesterday. Danny 11:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Actually, I found it even funnier that he kept removing the year he died in List of Messiah claimants. Danny 11:59, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I haven't read "The Arabs in Israel" and the quotes comes second hand from "A Land without a People" by Nur Masalha. In that book, he claims (without a source) that the fine as one piastre. The dates are out of whack yes. I think he received the final verdict February 29, 1959 but was "found guilty" long before that. Another interesting point is who orginated the order to "shot and kill" everyone that broke the curfew? Masalha states it as a fact that the order came from way above Shadmi and that it was implemented to either scare away the Arabs or expell them. But the only evidence he offers is Malinki's testimony and the court ruling against Shadmi. So I'm left to guessing... and asking. BL 02:22, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Could you perhaps do a NPOV check of Jerusalem pogrom of April, 1920 and riots in Palestine of May, 1921? Thank you. -- Dissident 05:02, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

One thing that I am not sure about in Ramle's history is the finality of the Arab deportations. Ben Gurion did order it (and Rabin apparently oversaw the operation), however, even today the town is 20 percent Arab (15.5 Muslim; 4 Christian). It was attacked because it was a main point on the old Tel-Aviv-Jerusalem highway, which i also worth mentioning. I will look again later, when I am more awake. Danny 12:07, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the discussion at Talk:Jerusalem has turned ugly. I think it's obvious by now Humus sapiens is a partisan editor who thinks that by abusing people and creating a poisonous climate to work in, he can impose his views on Wikipedia. That's why I want to directly propose a possible compromise phrasing directly to you here:
 * Jerusalem is the de facto capital of Israel, etc... (enter issues like international status here)

Those who consider "de facto" to be superfluous shouldn't take offense with it, while the adjective may go a long way in neutralizing any implied value judgement. What do you think? -- Dissident 13:12, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The phrase "de facto" carries a touch of "not official" and I doubt that it will be the basis of a solution. At the moment I don't know what to do with that page so I'm not doing anything. --Zero 10:42, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

You think you can back me up at Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2004 (see history)? It is somewhat related to Media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Thanks in advance. -- Dissident 19:05, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The ceasefire was between Israel and Transjordan (to give it its correct name at that time) because the Transjordanian army finished up in control of the West Bank area. That doesn't alter the fact that the West Bank wasn't part of Jordan until Abdullah unilaterally annexed it in 1950. Adam 09:10, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

You said:


 * It is simply unfair to consider action against Uriber alone.

Wik was given a 24 hour temp-ban for violation of arbitration parole, which may be why nobody bothered to quickpoll over it. Martin 23:55, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Polish history
I have taken the horrible mess at List of concentration camps for Poles and moved it to Camps in Poland during World War II, where I have tried to write a decent article. I expect to be attacked by the Polish Nationalist faction, and it would be nice to get some support from people who care about history at Wikipedia. I am getting tired of fighting this battle by myself. Adam 09:51, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've nominated you for sysop. I hope you won't mind. -- Dissident 21:32, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip on Bible conspiracy theories! I can't believe what got snuck in there. I've been working on the MEMRI article a bit - do you know of any staff members that I've missed? (Given their technically correct but decidedly misleading claim to be "of a variety of nationalities and religions", a list of their staff is a very useful resource for a reader who wants to figure out what angle they're coming from - and they don't exactly go out of their way to provide one...) - Mustafaa 22:13, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Your nomination for admin
Zero, you've been nominated for wikipedia admin and it's being voted on now. I don't see that you have accepted or rejected this. Would you please look at this and make your intentions known? Cecropia 14:17, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You have been made an adminstrator
I won't congratulate you, since I think your promotion is merely your just deserts. You have earned the respect of the community of wikipedia, and thus have been given the ability to assist in performing boring tasks like deleting nonsense pages. Use your new powers well, and prove the confidence of those who voted for you warranted.

Personally I would like to offer some perspective to the whole process of our current procedure for promoting admins. When I myself asked for adminship, it was a similar transition phase we are experiencing right now. The very concept of voting on admins on wikipedia proper had just been innovated (previously the whole thing had happened rather haphazardly on the mailing-list). I had to wait several days before anyone voted for or against my self-nomination. And even after it became increasingly obvious that I had a good chance of getting the nod, it took ages (at least from my impatient viewpoint), before I finally got my rights. Currently things are much more streamlined, and timely. But this has merely revised expectations, which is quite natural in its way. But beleive that there are users who understand what you have gone through in the last few days.

I doubt you need much assistance in finding the policy pages about your new abilities, but if you do, please feel free to ask me. All the best -- Cimon 23:24, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. I was nudged (ever so gently) by Angela to recommend the Administrators' reading list to your attention. And anything Angela advises is gold, as you probably know by now. Umm. Will have to do some cramming myself. All these rules, guidelines and techniques and interfaces have surely changed a lot since I became a sysop. (In my defence, personally, I don't really use my powers that often, and then check to see what the rule is, if I am the slightest bit unsure.) -- Cimon

Hi Zero. I was wondering if you know anything about Wikipedia blocking policy? This anonymous guy is persistently reverting the Temple Mount page to his own decidedly NPOV version, while falsely claiming to be restoring "citations examples and quotes regarding destruction of antiquities" which he is in fact deleting. He also took the astonishing liberty of changing a direct quote from the Syrian Penal Code in Honor killing in order to make it look like Syria was more permissive of honor killing than it actually is. Is this guy blockable? - Mustafaa 17:51, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip anyway! The guy may be showing signs of mellowing out, although I;m not counting on it... - Mustafaa 18:06, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Zero0000. Think you can back me up at Arab-Israeli conflict? 128.139.226.34 strikes me as a troublemaker. -- Dissident (Talk) 18:38, 20 May 2004 (UTC)


 * not so easy as I am out of town with infrequent and slow connections. --Zero 04:36, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

ack
Glad to see you dropping in. Thanks for your help with the media article! -- Viajero 09:29, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

PLO_and_Hamas
FWIW, I listed PLO_and_Hamas on VfD: Votes_for_deletion. Care to vote? -- Viajero 23:04, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

VfD again
Hi, I see you're around. See: -- Viajero 11:32, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Also, could you take a look at this edit if you have a chance? Thanks. -- Viajero 21:15, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Anti-Zionism
You have been saying for six months that you dispute the neutrality of that section, yet you have ignored my repeated requests to explain exactly what you object to, or to propose an alternative. It is not acceptable to maintain a disputed neutrality tag for months on end without doing anything to resolve the situation. You should put up or shut up. Unless you do so forthwith I will remove the tag. Adam 04:41, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

So why don't you spare me any more of your crap and address the substance of my complaint? Adam 05:09, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

stop MathKnight -> vandalist
2004-07-11 11:38 MathKnight made a POV version of Israeli_West_Bank_barrier and deleted all old stuff

strange, now the history doesn't show what I've seen! 11:38 is a full article! But when I read the article, before you changed the article, then there where only 5 lines of text!

ehm sorry! this is my third and last edit: it was "The international court of justice in hague has ruled that the West Bank security fence, which is being built by Israel, is illegal. This is an outrageous, undemocratic, illegal and racist decision. The court has decided that palestinians' minor conviniences are more important than israeli citizens lives. The world is helping the Arab conspiracy theories. Their target is the complete and total distruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people."

what I saw. And this was from 9:41. but when i looked in history last edit was 11:38 and always when I clicked on 11:38 the 5 lines mentioned above appeared and made me thinking he is vandalist


 * It was an anon 147.237.70.* (address varies), not MathKnight. MathKnight doesn't do things like that.  Sometimes the history list gets confused and attributes edits to the wrong people.  --Zero 12:57, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hey Zero. I see you've been having fun with the Barrier. Good luck. I am staying far away from those topics, thinking it's a no win situation with the constellation of POV pushers as it now stands. Just wanted to give you my moral support. Danny 13:03, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Anti-Zionism again
I am finding your behaviour in relation to this article completely mystifying, not to mention insulting and objectionable. What are you trying to achieve? For more than six months you have maintained that you object to this paragraph, and have insisted in keeping the neutrality tag, yet you refuse to propose an alternative, something that would take someone as intelligent and well-informed as you are about ten minutes. When I challenge you on this you cheapen the discussion with crude insults like your "Arab Nazis" comment. I genuinely don't understand what you are doing. Adam 03:05, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

PLO and Hamas
As you know, there was no concensus to delete PLO and Hamas. I have just reduced the article to three paragraphs with two quotes, and moved the remaining quotes to the Talk page. Could you take a look please? Thanks. -- Viajero 11:22, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please protect Holocaust. I have reverted what amounts to utter nonsense. Danny 23:04, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Judeofacism
Hi Zero; I just reverted your edit of List of Perjorative Political Slogans re Judeofacism. I didn't do this lightly or to be provocative and having restored the previous version I then went on to delete about half of what you had removed which, as you so rightly pointed out, was unnecessary. Unfortunately the world news focusses largely on the interaction of Israel and the palestinians and when I come across the term it is in that context, never in the theocratic context of the first paragraph. I have tried to make the article as neutral as I can, hopefully you will find it so. Cheers ping 08:41, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi Zero,

I have requested mediation with RK regarding our dispute on Israel Shahak. As you are another party to this dispute, I am also inviting you to participate with the mediation. Please see Requests for mediation soon. DanKeshet 08:00, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

209.135.35.83
Can you please explain just how 209.135.35.83's addition to Current Events was vandalism? It certainly seems like a valid news event to me. RickK 20:25, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * Bad Zero(Censor)0000! NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Arab (another meaning from India)
I see that you have locked the Arab page from further edits. I wish to inform you that there is another meaning for Arab, relating to the Indian numbering system. (1 Arab = 1 billion in India). Since the page is locked, please add this in the first line and link to the above page in the newly created link. Also a mention in the footer would be appropriate. &#x00b6; nichalp | [[User talk:nichalp| Talk ]] 20:32, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have put up a note on the arab discussion page as you requested. You also mentioned that the page is rarely edited until all disputes are resolved. My query is totally unrelated to the current discussion, and so I feel it should warrant an edit, since there is no time frame as to when the page could get unlocked. &#x00b6; nichalp | [[User talk:nichalp| Talk ]] 19:56, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, is the article Palestinian_Authority still on yourn watchlist? It seems to me that a large amount of junk has been added since your last edit -- Viajero 17:38, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

OneVoice
I added OneVoice to RfA: Requests_for_arbitration Care to add anything? -- Viajero 14:21, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Mediation with User:DanKeshet and User:RK
Hello. In case you missed it, there is a question about your preferences for a mediator on Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 15:11, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Would you agree to having Cimon avaro mediate between you, Dan Keshet, and RK? If so, please sign at the mediation page? Danny 00:22, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

UNRWA Guy
I think I was too lenient with that anon that time. If he comes back (and continues this behaviour, I'm going to ban him. He's so far contributed absolutely nothing apart from trying to restart past edit wars, and I'm not going to see five pages permanently protected because he decides to be an ass. Ambivalenthysteria 08:58, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Harry
I cant find a user Harry Smith - I recall there was one, but cant find the page. Is this user under a hard ban, and if so, is there a list of his aliases? I would like to unblock him, and deal with him on WP:RFM or WP:RFAR. Is there anything I am missing? -SV 15:41, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice. I was disambiguating Otto Preminger films. Danny 01:46, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Lance6Wins's case against you
Lance6Wins has made the following complaints regarding you. They will probably be considered should the case be accepted.

"There are at least two issues: a smaller immediate one an a significantly larger one.

Smaller issue: Zero0000 and Lance6Wins disagree how an incident in Current Events on July 23, 2004 should be reported. As well as a matter in July 19, 2004.

The July 23rd event is detailed in Talk:Current Events. Several newspapers (BBC, NYT, HaAretz, INN) report the event as a 15 year old shot to death by Palestinian when he and members of his family opposed their property being used as a launch site for Qassam rockets at Israeli towns in the Negev. A single news source (APF) has diffenent details: 18 years old, road side bomb and targeting soldiers rather than civilians.

July 19, 2004 Zero0000 has deleted the refenence to David Hatuel, husband of Tali Hatuel. David was given a place of prominence in the Human Chain from the Gaza Strip to the Western Wall.

Larger Issue: Zero0000, recently given admin privs, is abusing those privs to silence Lance6Wins and block any IP address that Lance6Wins uses to connect to wikipedia. Lance6Wins 18:12, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)"

That is why you were listed in the title of the arbitration. In legalese, he has filed a counterclaim. Fred Bauder 12:38, Aug 2, 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I saw your note on Danny's talk page. I just protected Palestinian exodus. 172 16:12, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hello. Neutrality has agreed to mediate between you, DanKeshet, and RK, in lieu of Cimon avaro, who seems to have disappeared. Because of the inherent difficulty of the case, we have also asked Moink to help out. Please let me know if this is acceptable to you? Danny 01:50, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lance6wins
The Lance6wins arbitration case is open. Please place evidence at Requests for arbitration/Lance6wins/Evidence. --mav 10:39, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Arab immigration
I have been editing the "palestinian" transfer page with the following text and those edits are being removed.

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922-36 observed: &#8220;This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.&#8221; The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the &#8220;shortfall of land is...due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.&#8221;

Why do you keep on removing this text that I feel balances out any discussion of arab population transfers? (unsigned by 67.130.2.26, Aug 9)


 * I keep removing it because it is rubbish derived from the long-discredited book "From Time Immemorial". Some of this is discussed in Talk:Palestinian refugee.  --Zero 01:05, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Hebrew languages
You are hereby invited to WikiProject Hebrew languages. - Gilgamesh 08:26, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

VfD Editing Technique
Please read carefully the technical material 2 bullets below your entry on Votes for deletion/Abu Shusha massacre: you are the editor who made the other's error almost inevitable.

Don't you feel bad either; this mechanism is kind of a kloodge, and problems like this are inevitable. If it isn't perfectly clear, pls ask me a question. [smile] --Jerzy(t) 03:59, 2004 Aug 11 (UTC)

Karski
Have you read this? It says the camp Karski claimed to have visted was Belzec. Is this correct? Does the revisionist attack on Karski warrant mention? Adam 07:05, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Anarion
Zero0000, I think you might be interested in what going on at Requests for adminship, a guy named Anarion (I don't know him personally in any way). Gadykozma 00:16, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Rabin's assassination
Zero, first of all I want to apologize about changing the article Bible code without reading the discussion beforehand. However, I still don't agree with your revert. Let's continue the discussion on Talk:Bible code. Gadykozma 14:50, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

User 66.93.166.174
As you've noted, this user has been making highly POV edits to Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What do you recommend doing? Jayjg 17:52, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I've protected the articles for now; what should be done next? Jayjg 17:59, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for your support for my adminship. Jayjg 16:36, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

195.7.55.146
Can you please try to convince 195.7.55.146 to bring his insertions and modification to the Talk:Israel page before making any? Israel is a difficult enough article to keep calm as it is, and I'm finding his POV pushing tiresome. Jayjg 16:23, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Lance6Wins
Hi, I've unblocked Lance6Wins. You really shouldn't be blocking somebody you're having an edit dispute with. Bring him to the Vandalism in progress page, and request another sysop to block him. RickK 19:28, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Gaza
just wondering why you removed my edit of Israel? I was under the impression that the process was well underway. Not that Gaza has or is being evacuated, but that it is pretty much a foregone conclusion as much preliminary action has been taken. Xtra

Current requests for Arbitration
Zero0000 has violated the blocking policy by his actions of blocking Lance6Wins. I submit that this actions violate the Unpopular opinions and Vandalism policies, among others. His behavior constitutes abuse of Admin privilegeds. I request that appropriate action be taken to prevent a recurrence of this behavior. This request comes after Jimbo Wales stated on the Wikipedia mailing list (WikiEN-l) on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:17:10 -0700


 * It is for the arbcom to be decided, but based on the content of this email, it is clear to me that zero should be desysopped.

This opinion was seconded by "The Cunctator" on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:59:59 -0400


 * That's my opinion, as well.

Thank you for considering this matter. Lance6Wins 14:38, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Arabic translation
Zero0000 can you confirm or correct the translation of ? Lance6Wins 19:47, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am taking a break from Wikipedia and might not check this page. If you need to contact me, try the "E-mail this user" link on the left, or send mail directly to nought_0000(at)yahoo.com. --Zero 11:22, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Vote: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis
See Votes for deletion/Violence against Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 10:04, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Support
See Requests for comment/IZAK. Thank you. IZAK 03:26, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Sam Spade
Requests for adminship/Sam Spade

Vote "NO". Opposed to SamSpade's unfriendly views in the Jew article. IZAK 09:12, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Herut
Zero hi. Could you please review my page Herut The National Movement? Hope you could contribute some spice for this (for example, I couldn't remember anything about Baruch Marzel's criminal history). Thanks. Gadykozma 20:39, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Arbcom ruling
Zero - it is my unfortunate job to inform you that per the arbcom ruling in Lance6wins, you are to be desysopped for two weeks.

On a personal note - I disagree with this, and I opposed it. In two weeks, you can ask a bureaucrat or steward to restore your sysop powers. &rarr;Raul654 03:12, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Radius of convergence
I think you're not reading carefully. Here's how you left the article:


 * is the nonnegative quantity r such that the series converges if


 * $$\left|z-a\right|r,$$


 * provided such an r exists. If the series converges for all z, the radius of convergence is said to be "infinite".


 * In other words, the series converges if z is close enough to the center. The radius of convergence specifies how close is close enough.


 * The word "nonnegative quantity" is used where "nonnegative number" would not quite have sufficed: for some power series, the radius of convergence is &infin;.

Please read the LAST paragraph above CAREFULLY, and notice where that word quantity occurs before the last paragraph. Michael Hardy 22:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sabra and Shatila
Hi Zero, I know you may be feeling iffy of Middle East articles these days - I kind of feel the same way, since dealing with POV warriors gets old fast. But things seem to have finally seriously quieted down at Sabra and Shatila massacre, and, given that you seem to be one of, if not the, most knowledgeable people on Wikipedia about the conflict, your input on the latest revisions would be valuable. Btw, thanks for supporting me for adminship! - Mustafaa 19:35, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, if only Zero would come back and help edit that article... Jayjg 20:59, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry guys but I'm catching a plane out of the country in 7 hours and don't have time right now. Later in the year I'll have a look at it. One thing I noticed is that several times Israel's role is called "logistical" but then it mentions sealing the camps and providing illumination. I don't think either of these things are logistics. Also, I left some comments on Talk:Palestinian refugee. --Zero 12:45, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
 * Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
 * Multi-Licensing Guide
 * Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the " " template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:


 * Option 1
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR
 * Option 2
 * I agree to multi-license all my contributions to any U.S. state, county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace " " with "  ". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Image copyrights
Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Oz-and-surrounding-countrie.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use if you release it under the GFDL, or  if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much,   &mdash; Edwin Stearns | Talk 20:59, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can you also add tags for Image:Adamthwaite219.jpg, Image:Adamthwaite220.jpg and Image:Adamthwaite221.jpg as well? --Ricky81682 (talk) 07:56, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * No need now, as the Adamthwaite images have been deleted. --Ricky81682 (talk) 23:18, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Two-state solution
Good catch on the population thing. I didn't add it, and I remember feeling uneasy about it. I should have moved it myself. Noel (talk) 13:45, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sequence
You wrote: Replace self-referential word "sequential" used in the definition of "sequence".
 * Neat! I stuggled with that, but could not figure out a fix! --Olegalexandrov 15:47, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Knowledge wars
I think you might be right about putting Knowledge wars up for VfD. I'll try and research the topic later tonight if I have time. If I can't find anything, and you haven't already nominated the page, I might just take your advice and nominate the page myself. --Viriditas | Talk 05:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

From Time Immemorial
Just wanted to point to some, uh, disputes going on over at From Time Immemorial - we seem to have some competing POV warriors going at it. john k 06:57, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi need help from Zain
Assallam-o-Allaikum,

I need your opinion about some of the discussion/debates. Specially regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jew#Information_about_converted_Jews.

Thanks Take care Allah Hafiz

Revanchism
Hi Zero0000, perhaps you want to take a look at my discussion page concerning the Revanchism article. I call propaganda on this one. -- Dissident (Talk) 23:15, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)