User talk:ZeroZ

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I replied to your comment on my talk page... at my talk page! You may already know this, but many Wikipedians respond to comments at the same place that the original comment was made. Cheers! Joie de Vivre 21:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Formatting
I noticed that in your edit to Incest, you used the backquote (`) to provide bold and italics. This does not work; please use the ordinary quote/apostrophe ('). The way, the truth, and the light 00:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you ZeroZ 00:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Child sexual abuse
We've been working on the Incest article, and so I thought you might be interested to weigh in on a discussion happening at Child sexual abuse. There is a dispute between two camps of editors, one which wants to include stories about children supposedly enjoying sex with adults, another camp which finds it to be given undue weight and factually dubious on account of a lack of followup with the children as adults (among other inconsistencies). I appreciate the clarity with which you edit and suspect that you might have wisdom to impart in this discussion. Check the bottom of the page; Talk:Child sexual abuse if you are interested. Thanks and I hope to edit with you soon! Joie de Vivre 23:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The water looks good; I'm wading in! ZeroZ 12:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Subpages
Hey, ZeroZ! I don't know exactly why your userpage was on my watchlist. I don't remember adding it. However! Apparently, it is, and I saw you had put your new version of the CSA article there. I haven't read it yet, because I wanted to tell you this first:

Although you can if you want to, you don't have to use your userpage as a sandbox or as a place to write drafts. That is what subpages are for! The links in this message explain the various meanings and uses of the three. You can create a new e-home for your article drafts, and other Wikipedia-related things.

Oh, and if, for whatever reason, you want your userpage to be blank (and redlinked) again, you can go to the userpage link and read the "How do I delete" sections. I hope this is helpful! Happy editing! Joie de Vivre 14:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your valuable contributions to child sexual abuse. It's nice having you around. You've probably already seen these pages, but just in case: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch (worth reading) and WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch/Watchlist. Lots going on the last few days at Pedophilia, Pro-pedophile activism, and False allegation of child sexual abuse. Lots of clean up needed lots of places. Thanks again!! -Jmh123 06:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Accusation
"At the moment, their claim is that child sexual abuse is not actually harmful to children."

this is either a fucking ridiculous misintepretation or flat-out intentional lie. I have not at any time made the absurd claim you clearly attribute to me here, and I have repeatedly clarified that I do not hold this belief after being accused of it by ignorant people like you. scientific research has consistently demonstrated that csa confounds with family environment significantly (not to say that child sexual abuse is not usually harmful, but that without statistical control, causal inferences become dubious (thus failing to perform them only helps people who would rather deny the effects.) this is factual, and if you dispute it, you're more than welcome to explain why--it would be much more productive than lying about me.

Bullough (1996) was right when he commented, "It is the ever-present danger of being accused of pedophilia which makes the research [of child sexual abuse] so dangerous and debilitating that few individuals are able to risk it." Thanks to your kind. ~kinda]] 02:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Kindly restrain yourself from using foul language on my page, which I consider harrassment. Your claim that I attributed any "belief" to you or to anyone else is false. You may wish to consult the guidelines on civility. -ZeroZ 05:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is an ever-evolving process. No article is ever declared complete. We did good work, but I don't think we were finished by any means. The effects section is still a mess, still POV, and there are still some issues that will come up again in other areas I'm sure. There was an unfortunate series of troll attacks last week--that happens too--but the better the entry is, the less likely it is that trolling is any kind of threat. I think it's important to get some of the old POV out of these articles, because people look to Wikipedia for answers. Fortunately, much has been accomplished already.

Much as I agree with you on many many points, by the way, I disagree with your assessment of the intentions of the edit currently under dispute at child sexual abuse. Believe me it isn't easy to go against the "team". I think there are ways to include the main point--that controlling for variables is important in any scientific research--and still have a NPOV statement on that issue. We'll just have to agree to disagree. For the time being, I'm staying away, as the current behavior on both "sides" is totally counterproductive. Thanks again and I look forward to working with you again. -Jmh123 03:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You reverted all of Slakr? I thought most of what he did was good. ETA: Duh--I hadn't read the "talk" page yet. I saw you've discussed all your reverts extensively. ETA: Having read all the discussions and looked at the changes again, I see your various points. I did think that the copy editing that he did was good, and was in fact was I was referring to when I said "most of what he did," and that he made some useful suggestions. -Jmh123 14:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

6 months
Regarding your edit, I wonder if you would take another look. The language of criterion A says: "A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger)"

I believe the 6-month period applies to "behaviors" as well; otherwise there would be a conjuction and no comma between "sexually arousing fantasies" and "sexual urges", above. It would look like this: ''Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies or sexual urges, or behaviors ... ''

But the language places all three ("fantasies, urges, or behaviors") equally under the qualification "over a period of at least 6 months". I also asked a psychiatrist colleague, who agrees, but I would prefer if you checked for yourself. Cheers, ZeroZ 09:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm copying this over from my user page, since it's a complicated question. I agree that the sentence could be read the way you suggest; however, the next item says, "The person has acted on these sexual urges...." with no time period indicated.   Do you think there is some reason the DSM would distinguish between the behavior of "sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children" over a period of six months absent any urge or fantasy to do so (A), which the punctuation as you interpret it in the context of the full list would indicate, and (B) even a single act of acting on an urge or fantasy to engage with sexual activity with a child?  In other words, do you think that the DSM is saying that you have to engage in sexual activity with a child for a period of at least six months, assuming you're doing it without any sexual urge to do it, in order to be diagnosed a pedophile?  -Jmh123 18:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

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