User talk:Zeus/Archive 2

Los Marziano
Why did you add the db-foreign tag to Los Marziano? The article is now in English. If you don't think the references show notability, you can say so at the AfD. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I placed db-foreign because 2 people at the AfD said that was the right thing to do. So, I did it.  -Zeus-u 23:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * They were referring to the earlier version of the article, which was in Spanish. The article is now in English, so it does not meet the definition of db-foreign: "a foreign-language article that exists on another Wikimedia project" Eastmain (talk • contribs)  23:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the db-foreign tag. Whatever anyone else says, you are responsible for making sure that any CSD tags you place are appropriate to the article at the time you place them. WP:CSDF says "Foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project." (emphasis added) The twinkle menu has the same text. Please be more careful in future. DES (talk) 23:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it, sorry. -Zeus-u 00:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Glen Ard Abbey
You tagged Glen Ard Abbey as db-person, but it is infact about a monastery. I removed the CSD tag, and tidied up the formatting a bit. It lacks references, and is non-neutral, so I have tagged it as such. Smappy (talk) 01:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that, I meant to hit a7#club. I think it does fall under the jurisdiction of that speedy, though. -Zeus-u 01:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, but, it's not a club either - it's a building. I won't get into any kind of dispute, so I will not remove the tag again - but I personally think it does not fit into a CSD category. Smappy (talk) 01:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand. As a show of good faith, I will convert it over to an AfD. -Zeus-u 01:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles_for_deletion/Glen_Ard_Abbey -Zeus-u 02:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Great, that's fair enough. If they can make it less spammy, and give info on the building itself rather than the org, I think it'll be OK; if not, then yes, I'd agree with deletion. Thanks, Smappy (talk) 02:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hacking: The Art of Exploitation, Second Edition
This was another misjudged CSD tag; it clearly did not meet the criteria A3, No content. Please review WP:CSD, and remember that articles should be speedy-deleted only in the clearest cases. Smappy (talk) 03:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry about that. It's probably about time to head to bed. :P -Zeus-u 03:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Although it was under A3 per "a rephrasing of the title", a redirect is a much better choice. -Zeus-u 04:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, I made it a redir, and the author promptly changed it back; oh well.
 * BTW, Siddharth banerjee isn't G1 either - it's not nonesense. Probably it's a db-person though. Smappy (talk) 04:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That one definitely feels like g1... it's not even one sentence. -Zeus-u 04:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletions
Hey -Zeus-, I note you've had a recent run of CSDs, proposed deletions, and article for deletion nominations that have encountered problems. I don't mean to discourage you from your passionate and helpful editing of Wikipedia, but it might help to remember that, outside of attack pages and libellous statements, deletion should be the last resort for solving problematic content. In future, before proceeding to a delete, you might want to try (a) talking to the article creator or major contributors, (b) starting a discussion on the talk page, (c) inserting cleanup tags notifying contributors of problems with the article, and (d) bringing the article to the attention of WikiProjects that may be interested in improving or merging the article. Just a thought! It's been a pleasure working with you on Article 74 (Constitution of India). - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Lucy willett
Hello, agree with your nomination of Lucy willett for deletion, but as a general rule (nowhere have I found this written, but it has been told to me), you should wait 5 minutes after the creation of a page before tagging it with the A1 or A3 deletion tags.

Thank you, Pepper /piggle 22:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand doing that if the page is blank, but when there's something like that written in, I think it seems OK, no? -Zeus-u 23:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it should apply for all cases. An example on my talk page. Pepper /piggle 23:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. I could have also applied a7 to that one, so I guess in the future I'll wait on a1 if nothing else applies. -Zeus-u 23:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

deletion tag
I think I messed up as you requested my page to be deleted. I am just creating one for my Church. If I have done something wrong let me know. I also think I mistakenly removed your deletion tag. Its the first page I have done —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhweaver72 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You did remove it, I put it back. The reason it's marked to be deleted is because you haven't said why your church is notable.  It's nothing personal, but we don't have articles on something at wikipedia unless it's notable.  That would mean national media coverage, etc.  If you have that, then by all means put it in the article, but otherwise it's likely to get deleted. -Zeus-u 23:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

hi, i have strated a page about " Adl Khan", he is a national celebrity in Norway, he is an actor/ singer, has received many awards for his work, I want to built this page further, but i might have made some mistake that is why it is appearing pink and about to be deleted, can you please sort this page and not delete it because i want to built this page further whenever i get time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thathaal (talk • contribs) 00:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason the page is marked for deletion is because you haven't indicated why he is important. You say that he won a dance competition, but that doesn't make him suitable for inclusion in wikipedia.  If you could find some newspaper articles, that would help a lot. -Zeus-u 00:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Sorry to bug you. iBen 01:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

About my new page...
I'm sorry it was under construction and i forgot to add the template but if its not good feel free to delete it.

--Wikipedian7878 (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
iBen 01:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
DES (talk) 02:16, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Never Eat A Soggy Waffle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlieissocoollike —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hauntedredcar (talk • contribs) 03:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, now look at the bottom of that page where they have an article about him in the BBC. Do you have one?  -Zeus-u 03:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Waffle day
You tagged Waffle day as a hoax, It took me a very short time to find six sources stating that it was real. Plesae be very careful with hoax tags, many obscure but real things can sound like hoaxes. I usually only use a hoax tag when the article includes contradictions (like the one about a parson born only 16 years ago, stated to have climbed Mount Everest at age 23) or things that anyone must know are false ("Joe Hoax was elected president of the United States in 1998"). In general if you need to do a google search to be sure it is a hoax, I think it should go by prod, not speedy. Not everyone agrees with that rule of thumb, however. DES (talk) 03:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

speed deletion dotSUB
I could not find anything about "browser based tool for subtitling of videos". That is the reason I added dotSUB. If deleted I am good.Just thought it would be good to have sg easily available.Thank you. Feb 16, 2010 - Telma —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talencar (talk • contribs) 03:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC) (Talencar (talk) 03:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC))
 * The problem is that the article reads as an ad, and doesn't show any notability from external sources, like computer magazines, etc. -Zeus-u 03:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Santiago Tapia
I removed your speedy deletion nomination. He appears to be notable. Did you even check Google or ImDb before you nominated it? Bearian (talk) 03:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I looked for a while. I looked on imbd and saw nothing of note.  I looked for articles and found nothing.  I looked at the wikipedia page of the film that he assistant produced and there wasn't even a mention. -Zeus-u 03:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
iBen 04:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion nominations
We are not supposed to be perfect, but your recent record of speedy deletion nominations is poor. What is going on? Bearian (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm being a little trigger happy, I know, but then again, as a percentage of the number of csds i apply it's negligible. I just have to remember to slow down a bit... -Zeus-u 03:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That is fine, carry on. Bearian (talk) 04:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think I'm learning something from each one. -Zeus-u 04:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I also fixed up Seldon Hunt, FYI. Bearian (talk)

Shivayogi Lokenath Baba
You tagged this for speedy deletion as a hoax. a little searchign shows that it is a (rather POV) statement of religious belief in a person widely venerated as a Hindu saint, See Baba Lokenath Brahmachari, to which i have redirected this article. Please be more careful with hoax tags. They can offend good faith contributors, and cause loss of good articles. DES (talk) 04:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the Welcoming message. It is so neat being here. Naval C  04:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What if the ratings are too long what should I do? Naval  C  04:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you might want to say something like "The ratings for the season were between X and X", listing the highest and lowest. -Zeus-u 04:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a visual example Zeus? Naval  C  04:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you show me how to arrange the Wife Returns/Episode Ratings because it is so long? Naval  C  04:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

c-mites
Zeus, Just wondering why you deleted my stub for c-mites? If you look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gifted_and_talented_programmes

You will see:

- Stanford has its own separate page for EPGY - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program_for_Gifted_Youth

- UCONN is set up for the non-existent page National Research Center for hte Gifted and Talented

- Northwestern has a seperate page for the Center for Talent Development: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Center_for_Talent_Development&action=edit&redlink=1

And so forth. I failed to add a CMU link after CMITES to be consistent with the others on the calling page. I have corrected that. Please restore the C-MITES stub. Thanks. Loraxofgifted (talk) 13:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The page as it was before I redirected it was completely unacceptable as far as writing style. If you want to try it again, you're welcome to edit that page and erase the redirect. -Zeus-u 13:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

speedy delete tagging of Jibilika
You tagged Jibilika for speedy deelte under WP:CSD. However, running "one of the biggest dance festivals in Zimbabwe" is a claim of significance. I have therefore decliend the speedy deletion. DES (talk) 14:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * AfD, then? I dug around and the best source I could find was, and I'm not sure if that's good enough to indicate significance. -Zeus-u 14:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It clearly needs improvement or deletion. But before going to AfD it might be worth engaging the creator. The western systemic bias of the web may well mean that proper sources exist, but are off line. I would be inclined to ask the creator, who may know of such sources, to provide them. Of course you may choose to go to AfD if you see fit. DES (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy delete tagging of Adam Jakowenko
You tagged Adam Jakowenko for deletion under WP:CSD. However. "being selected as the best drummer in a 13 state region of the Northeast United States region." is a claim of significance. So is "he has received notable acclaim as a freestyle snowboarder". So is "He has competed in K1 Kart racing, placing 5th in the 2008-2009 finals." Moreover some of these claims are referenced, which is not required to avoid an A7 speedy.

Now I can't say how this would fare at an AfD. But in my view this is well out of A7 speedy territory, not even a marginal case. Please be more careful with speedy deletion tags. When considering an A7, you should be looking for anything that might be a claim of significance. Remember "when ion doubt, don't delete" and that goes at least double for speedy-deletion. Speedy deletion is an important and powerful tool, but it must not be over-used or incorrectly used. If the matter is marginal, place a notability tag rather than a CSD tag, please. DES (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I looked the page over and understand why you turned it down under A7.  I searched online for refs and found none, and his inclusion wouldn't meet WP:N in either case, I think.  So I have submitted it at Articles for deletion/Adam Jakowenko; your comments are welcome. -Zeus-u 18:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Glen Ard
Hi Zeus. Hey, so I am still learning about how to do things correctly. and I've looked over the objections... but am still not certain what is disagreeable about the Glen Ard page. I trained and lived at Zen Mountain Monastery as a monk for over 8 years, and they have a page, as do a number of other zen centers that I went to train and work at. I feel like what everyone is doing at Glen Ard is very note worthy, this is the new and up and coming Buddhist lineage, or so it looks to me, at least no less worthy than Zen Mountain or the other places that have a page. I've looked at the other centers and temples listed on Wiki to see what I'm not putting onto the page that they are, but I'm sort of missing it... I'm not really computer savvy yet- still learning- so any pointers you can give me would be great. If I can make the page better I'm totally into doing it. But from what I'm seeing, I really dont see how the Glen Ard page is any different than the ZMM page or the others on Buddhist temples and centers. Thanks. griffin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griffinennis (talk • contribs) 20:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The page is being discussed at Articles for deletion/Glen Ard Abbey. You should post your question there, and read what everyone else has said.  In short, it's because there's no external sources, like newspapers, establishing that the Abbey is WP:Notable. -Zeus-u 20:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Netstep
Thanks to advise.--Sidcc (talk) 22:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
DES (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

tagging of List of published lists
For WP:CSD to apply, there must be a single, specific article that the tagged article is either a copy of, or a shorter, less worthwhile version of -- in short that the alternate article does everything that the tagged article does, and probably more. That the same content is or may be spread among several different articles might be a good reason at AfD, but does not fit A10. This is especially true when no links to those articles are provided. I have declined the speedy. DES (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You need to put in a request for usurpation at WP:CHU/U iBen  01:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

How could you!
Don'tPlayInTraffic!

Hi, I don't know why you've put a deletion tag on my article? I think it's really childish and immature. Please could you remove it

Yours truelly

Kayko-96 (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)Kristopher JonesKayko-96 (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the band you are writing about notable? I mean things like released albums, reviews, magazines, etc.  If not, then it's against wikipedia policy to have an article about it, and it will soon be deleted. -Zeus-u 16:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Well yeah, it's going to be noticable. I live in France and England at the moment so I'm trying to get as many people I can to join and help this young guy. If I could send you some of the Demos ( Peace 'n' Love... ) you'd see how inspired and intouch this 14 year old is.

Kayko-96 (talk) 09:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)Kayko-96Kayko-96 (talk) 09:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK yeah, that's not notable, and this discussion is over. -Zeus-u 15:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of users
I'm sorry about that, I meant to use the code to warn them of their arrticles speedy deletion and I must have accidentally put the code for speedy deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yutsi (talk • contribs) 15:53, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy delete tagging of Mulan Jr.
I note that you tagged Mulan Jr. for speedy deletion as a hoax, and another admin declined the speedy. Did you really think this was a hoax? why? Please be more careful in using the hoax tag, see WP:BITE. Use of hoax labels on good-faith contributions can scare off, rather than educate and lure in, new contributors. We don't want that. DES (talk) 23:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You marked Sala Sporturilor Traian for speedy deletion. It doesn't seem to fall under any of the criteria for speedy deletion; could you please explain? --Florin.mihulin (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * that article has never been marked for speedy. -Zeus-u 18:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Edward John Hutchins
Hi. The copyvio tag was added by a bot, which automatically listed the article for additional copyright review. Comparison between the article and shows substantial similarity. For example, some runs of text in the personal life section are identical, and under "Business interests" this duplication continues, beginning with "His early career involved him with his uncle...." I see indication from you higher in the talk page that this material, which is printed under claim of full copyright at that external site, may actually have been taken from a public domain original, but we need to review the public domain original in order to verify this, given that it is demonstrably published under copyright reservation before its placement here. Since we are not able to publish material where uncertainty of copyright status exists, I have blanked the article pending some clarification. Can you provide a link to the public domain original so that the copyright status of this duplicated text can be confirmed? The article has been relisted at the copyright problems board, Copyright problems/2010 February 24, to extend the deadline for closure. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Stoked (TV series)
Who is the admin of Stoked (TV series)? --Space Commander Plasma (talk) 03:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Հայաստանցինէր listed at Redirects for discussion
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Please don't redirect my new page Technology Support Net
The new wiki page Technology Support Net I created just now is totally different from the page Disruptive Innovation, which you just redirect to. The contents of Disruptive Innovation are mainly based on theory in manufacturing industry or more directly marketing. My page Technology Support Net is based on operation management. I did read the Disruptive Technology before and I want to use some specific example on that page to help me illustrate the concept of Technology Support Net. But the contents of those two pages are very different. Basically, TSN is a kind of net or background that determines and supports technology development in human history. The theory in operation management is a little bit obscure. So I need some examples like E-technology that people are using in their life to explain the relevant theory.

Many professors in this field have written something about TSN and its vital importance to technology. (Quite a lot of research paper in this field). Disruptive is just one aspect of TSN. I have more to explain in my new page. So you can’t just redirect to Disruptive.

In addition, I just start making this new page and you can’t judge that only based on the less than one quarter of content. Thanks~

(Zhuyuxiang (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2014 (UTC))
 * Hi, it seems the content you are wanting to insert would be better served as a new section on the redirect page. You are more than welcome to insert the content that you would like to add into the article that already exists.  Additionally, the page you are creating has been deleted in the past and you can't re-create it.  Zeusu 23:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Theo van Gogh
Hey Zeus, thanks for your...thank..(?). I'm reviewing this page. I know the event to be true and the references are good and plenty. The English language used ain't that good, but it will do. However, I'm puzzled as to where this page came from. Created by a new user, it seems like it has been edited before? maybe a double article? Tomato 33 (talk) 16:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * A very cursory search revealed this to be the case. Theo van Gogh (film director) Tomato 33 (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a slight expansion upon Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director), yeah. Whether or not it deserves its own page I'm not sure.  It certainly doesn't seem to add anything to it.  I would support a redirect to Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)... Zeusu 16:16, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It was deleted, thanks for the star ;) Tomato 33 (talk) 17:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem! Keep up the good work. Zeusu 17:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

HEY
Please give me details what is problem creating elements in my article, due to which my article is not getting approval....please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harzhray (talk • contribs) 07:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The group does not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. Sorry. Zeus t&#124; u &#124; c 22:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

CSD:Namrata Sapkota
Hi! The article Namrata Sapkota is an actress of Nepal. Isn't an actress significant and notable? Please make it clear. ASCII-002 I Notify Online  04:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The notability guidelines for actors can be seen at WP:NACTOR. She does not seem to meet any of those three criteria, and I don't view being in 50 music videos as a credible assertion of notability, hence why I tagged it under WP:CSD as opposed to taking it to AfD. Zeus t&#124; u &#124; c 04:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Naked Vengeance
Looking at the article as it is now, I think your argument does not stand and I suggest you withdraw. Cheers! ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Respond to your editing on my new page Technology Support Net
You redirect my page Technology Support Net to Disruptive Innovation. Thanks so much for your advice. I think I am going to insert some content into the article “Disruptive Innovation” that already exists. My contents basically are the viewpoints or findings from other scholars in this filed and I think it will make the introduction of this term more complete, especially a good supplement under section “the theory” and “Examples of disruptive innovations”.

But I still have some questions about the page Technology Support Net I am creating. This is a well-developed concept in technology and operations management. Like what I said in my first message, they are different. I can’t insert all of the content into the current-existing page. Anyway, there is no page talking about TSN on Wiki right now. I think I can create this new wiki page by organizing the contents and integrating the viewpoints from different experts or professionals.

Moreover, I also discussed this page with Xoloz, another wiki administrator, when he deleted my page. He said I can still create this page again once I improve the material of the page.

Please give advice, thanks~ (Zhuyuxiang (talk) 04:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC))

reply
WRT your comments on fireboat 20 the precedent is for articles about multi-million dollar vessels, vessels beyond a certain length, vessels beyond a certain displacement, to be kept. Someone has a table of outcomes of afds on marine vessels. I think the outcome was always kept. (update: Here is that table WikiProject Ships/AFD. The table does record the occasional deletion, but all with some exceptional element.)

I prepared the material in this article elsewhere, and was porting it over here, when I encountered some BS over one of my references containing a blacklisted URL. The blacklisting of references is not well documented, and I think this blacklisting was bogus. It is a blog, but one that has some of its articles republished by other publications like Forbes Magazine and the United States Naval Proceedings.

I think we should add a couple of paragraphs to one of our special purpose notability guidelines -- for infrastructure. Highways, canals, dams, railways, and maritime vessels, should be covered, even if they haven't had a disastrous mishap. They are among the kinds of things covered by traditional encyclopedias, they are among the kinds of things people expect to find here, and they should be covered even if nothing "notable" has happened to them.

Anyhow, why don't you wait until I have had a chance to completely port the article to here? Geo Swan (talk) 06:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, take a look now. If you still think the article should be deleted, I would appreciate you spelling out where you think it is weak.  Geo Swan (talk) 03:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I don't think you replied.  If you did, please point it out to me, as I missed it.  If I don't hear from you I am going to assume all your concerns were addressed.
 * If you had thoughts about WikiProject Ships/AFD, or the utility of adding some additional paragraphs to one of the special-purpose notability guidelines, don't hesitate to state them. Geo Swan (talk) 14:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , sorry for the delay. That seems reasonable to me, I'm not knowledgeable enough to question it. Thanks. Zeus t&#124; u &#124; c 21:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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