User talk:Zhand38/Archive 1

June 2011
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Party wall. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.Yonskii (talk) 02:19, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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Please stop
Your editing is disruptive. Please see the section on guidelines before continuing.  Tide  rolls  02:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Jacksonville Zoo and Gardens
I have reverted your edits in this article and Akron Zoo and would like to explain why. This is an encyclopedia article, not a list, and should consist primarily of narrative (see WP:LIST). Please do NOT remove narrative in favor of lists in zoo articles, or change narratized lists into bulleted lists. You can easily add animals to the narrative list if they are verifiable (WP:VERIFY). If the narrative includes a list of animals, please just add any new animals to the narrative. If the narrative does not incluse animals, please leave the narrative and ADD the lists (you can go back to your last version and copy and paste the lists into the current article to accomplish this in less time). However, keep in mind that such lists, if not verifiable (and neither the lists in these articles or in Cincinnati Zoo have any citations), will probably be removed by the time the article reaches Good Article status. All information in a article must be verifiable, and must not be original research (WP:OR). Even if you are an insider or frequent visitor, the final list must be verifiable from public sources, not compiled while you walk around the zoo (which would be original research). Don Lammers (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Animal lists for zoos
Thank you for not removing narrative. However, as I stated above, unless the lists are verifiable, they are eventually going to be deleted as the article moves up the quality scale, eliminating a lot of work that you are doing. Information in articles must be verifiable. It would be much easier in the long run if you would indicate the URL where you are getting particular information (one URL per list). You can do this by just enclosing the URL in square brackets, and someone can then easily find the source to which you are referring and expand the URL into a proper citation. Yes, it's a bit more work for you now, but it will preserve the list in the long term and will save other people a LOT of time. Thank you. Don Lammers (talk) 00:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

lists
Hi, Zhand. I have moved your list of animals at the North Carolina Zoo to it's own separate list article at List of animals at the North Carolina Zoo. Having long lists in the middle of articles makes them harder to read and slower to load so it's usually better for long lists to be on a separate page that is linked to from the main article. The link to your list is at North Carolina Zoo. I have also provided a citation to the list of animals from the NC Zoo website. If you used any other sources (online, books, magazines, etc) please add them or let me know so I can add them.

I see that you are a relatively new editor and that you have been creating similar lists for some other zoos in their main articles. If you have any questions about how to create new list articles, how to create appropriate citations for these lists, or any other wiki questions please feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks -- InspectorTiger (talk) 14:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Lists Redux
Please stop turning perfectly good B-class narratives in zoo articles into lists. If you wish to maintain a list separately, as InspectorTiger has suggested, one of us can help you set up a separate list article. However, turning lists in narrative to bulleted lists is generally the reverse of WikiPedia recommendations (see WP:EMBED), and can be counterproductive for reasons that have already been pointed out above. Don Lammers (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Please stop removing the expandable section for animal lists. You are working in articles, which should be primarily prose, and the animal lists are way too long to be stuck in the middle dominating the article. As stated above, if you wish to create a separate list article, this is an acceptable solution as well, but the list does not belong dominating the article. Don Lammers (talk) 11:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Indian Rhinoceros, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Anaxial (talk) 23:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

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Animal lists (again)
I am once again reinstating the expandable list at Cincinnati Zoo. As stated before, this list disrupts the article, and needs to be either turned into a separate list article or made expandable. If not, as you should be able to see from other articles that you have worked on, someone will eventually simply remove the list. Before proceeding, you should read WikiPedia style guidelines ab out lists at WP:EMBED (and other articles that this points to. Don Lammers (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Cincinnati Zoo
Actually, you are ruining the Cincinnati zoo article. It is an ARTICLE, not a list. What I did was turn the list expandable, rather than deleting it, so that readers can read the article AS an article, and still have easy access to the list. Before accusing me of "ruining" an article, you should do some reading around the WikiPedia Manual of Style, particularly WP:EMBED, and other items that discuss the use of lists and prose, so that you know what WikiPedia considers to be appropriate content for an encyclopedic article (yes, WikiPedia has rules).

If you were paying attention to your talk page, you would also know by now that your list at the North Carolina zoo was turned into a list article (one of the acceptable ways of dealing with long lists), and that it was then proposed for deletion, but that I DEFENDED that article (see Talk:List of animals at the North Carolina Zoo). I am not your enemy. As I explained in the Cincinnati Zoo article talk page, before the article can be upgraded from C-class to B-class, one of the things that needs to happen is for the list to be made so that it doesn't intrude, and this means 1) turn it into prose, 2) make a separate list article, or 3) turn it into an expandable list. A separate list article is probably preferable for reasons that have been mentioned above, but I have not had time to do that. No matter what, the list will need to be cited.

I could simply delete the list on the basis that it is a large disruptive list in the article and is completely un-cited (please see WP:CITE, as well as the edit notes in the history of Akron Zoo, Chattanooga Zoo at Warner Park, Caldwell Zoo, Rio Grande Zoo, and Pittsburgh Zoo & PPG Aquarium). However, I prefer not to just remove a lot of work that someone else has done, even if it isn't the way that I would have done it. I (and for that matter WikiPedia) prefer lists in prose, which you can see in many zoo articles including San Diego Zoo, Denver Zoo, Phoenix Zoo, and others.

Please also note that modifying someone else's user page as you did with mine is vandalism. If you wish to talk to another editor, the appropriate venue is their talk page, not vandalizing their user page. Don Lammers (talk) 21:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Fine just do that minimize list thing, I just worked soooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard on it and dont want any one changing what I have done.

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Wildlife Canyon
In 1875 this opened with two large Elk and Deer yards until it was renovated and turned into the Deer Line and again in 1989.

Features hoofed and other animals like: Emu, Humphrey and Sari the Bactrian Camels, Bellatessa and Raison the Przewalski's Horses, Takin, Red River Hog, and Suci and Ipuh the only Sumatran Rhinos on display at a major zoo in the nation. The Cincinnati Zoo was the first zoo to put Przewalski's horses on display in 1905, and was the first zoo to successfully breed a Sumatran rhino in captivity in over 112 years, and 2004 and 2007.

Eagle Eyrie
The exhibit features an observation deck that is actually inside the flight cage, so nothing can come between the visitor and the birds.

Features: Andean Condors and Steller's Sea Eagles

Reptile House
Built in 1875. One of the Zoo's original buildings, it first housed monkeys, but is now home to the Zoo's reptiles. The Reptile House is the oldest designed zoo building in America.

Center Exhibit: Chinese alligator, Red-eared slider, Common snapping turtle

Top exhibits: Angolan python, Green Tree Python, Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard, Madagascar giant day gecko, Razo Island Skink, Aruba Island rattlesnake, Eyelash Viper, an albino California Kingsnake, Brazilian Rainbow boa , an albino Nelson's Milksnake, Ball python

Bottom exhibits:  Reticulated Gila Monster, Solomon Islands skink, Blue Tree Monitor, Galápagos tortoise (Zoo Babies 2009), Pancake tortoise (Zoo Babies March 6, 2010), the only Yucatan Neotropical Rattlesnake (Zoo Babies in 2010) on display in the world, Asian Vine Snake, Black rat snake (Zoo Babies 2010), Brazil's lancehead, Caatinga Lancehead, Jameson’s Mamba, Terciopelo, Gaboon Viper, Rhinoceros Viper.

Large exhibits: Beaded Lizard, Ornate Monitor, Mexican West Coast Rattlesnake, King Cobra

Amphibians: Cave Salamanders, Gray tree frog, Spring Salamander

Major Mitchell's Cockatoo Island- Is a small island connected to the Reptile House that is home to Henry a Major Mitchell's Cockatoo and Sammy a Salmon-crested Cockatoo. They rotate every other day.

Monkey Island
Built when the zoo opened in 1875, renovated in 1930 and renovated again in 1985. This island is North America's first bar less monkey exhibit

Features: 11 Japanese macaques.

Gorilla World
Opened in 1978 as a naturalistic, rainforest habitat for the Cincinnati Zoo's popular gorillas. The Cincinnati zoo leads the country in gorilla births with 49. Because of the success of their gorilla breeding program, Newsweek called the Cincinnati Zoo the "sexiest zoo in the country."

Features: 10 Western lowland gorillas (7 females and 3 males), Eastern colobus monkeys, and Grey's crowned guenons.

Night Hunters
The building was opened in 1952 as the Carnivora House and was renovated in 1985 as the Cat House and then again in 2010-2011. The Cincinnati Zoo has bred more species of rare cats than any other zoo in the world. This is the newest attraction at the zoo when it opened to the public on May 21, 2011. It contains 12 of the animals from the Cat House, 6 from the Nocturnal House, 2 species from Jungle Trails, one species from the Reptile House, and 3 species from different zoos.

Nocturnal animals: Eurasian Eagle-owl, the only Aardwolves on display in the nation, Clouded leopard, Common Vampire Bat, Pygmy slow loris, Potto, Aardvark, Greater bushbaby, Giant fruit bat, Sand cat, Black-footed cat, Bearcat (Zoo Baby June 2011), Bat-eared fox, Fennec fox.

Cats and Other Predators: Pallas' Cat (Zoo Babies June 2011), Fossa, Southern Brazilian Ocelot, Burmese python, Caracal, Tayra (Zoo Baby May 24, 2011), Fishing Cat, Bobcat. The Cincinnati zoo is also the only zoo breeding Tayras. A Pallas' cat at the Cincinnati zoo had the first ever Pallas' cat kittens born from Artificial Insemination in June 2011.

Outdoor exhibits: Joseph and Tecumseh the brother Cougars, Siberian lynx

World of the Insect
Opened in 1978, this is the largest building in North America devoted to the display of live insects. The Cincinnati Zoo has been given four awards by the American Zoo and Aquarium Association for successful propagation of insects, and Insect World received the prized American Zoo and Aquarium Association exhibit award in 1979.

Ants- Bullet Ant, Leaf-cutting ant. The longest Leafcutter ant exhibit in the world

Beetles-American Burying Beetle, Emerald beetle, Flamboyant flower beetle, Hercules beetle, Jade-Headed Buffalo Beetle, Sunburst diving beetle, Taxi-Cab Beetle, Tin-Foil Beetle, Yellow-bellied beetle.

Cockroaches- Bat Cave cockroach, Green-Leaf Cockroach, Madagascar hissing cockroach.

Grasshoppers- Eastern Lubber Grasshopper, Grey Bird Grasshopper.

Scorpions- Giant desert hairy scorpion, Vinegaroon, Water Scorpion.

Spiders- Black Widow Spider,Brown recluse spider, Chilean rose hair tarantula

Walking Sticks- Australian Walking Stick, Giant Jumping Stick, Giant Walking Stick (100,000 Zoo Babies Early 2011)

Other Various Bugs and Insects- Giant African Millipede, Giant Water Bug, Spiny leaf insect, Red-Eyed Assassin Bug, Tri-Colored Backswimmer, Two-spotted assassin bug, Water Strider, Zebra Bug.

What Eats Insects: Naked mole rat, (Zoo Babies early 2011), Spiny Blue Lizard, Black tree monitor, Rough Green Snake, Yellow and Blue Poison Dart Frog, Henkel's Leaf-tailed Gecko, Ornate Horned Frogs, Emperor tamarin.

Butterfly Garden: African helmeted turtle, Andean Cock-of-the-rock, Blue Ground Dove, Peruvian Pigeon, Golden-headed Manakin, Spangled Cotinga, White-naped Pheasant Pigeon, and African Pygmy Goose. The only species of butterfly in this area is the Passion Flower Butterfly.

Lemur Lookout
Built in 1875 as Baboon Island and renovated in 1962 as Ibex Island, today guests can see 3 Ring-tailed lemurs. The Cincinnati zoo is the Lemur capitol in North America with 3 species: says the Director of the zoo, Thane Maynard.

Dragons!
This building feature the longest, smallest, and some of the most colorful monitor lizards in the world. Chia-Chia, the Giant panda that went around America to different zoos, stayed at the zoo for 6 weeks in 1988, and it was renovated in 1990. The zoo then zoo attained the largest Komodo dragon to ever live in captivity until he died in 2005 (he was a gift from George H. W. Bush). It was renovated in 2010 and opened in June 2010.

Features: Ackie's Dwarf Monitor, Green Tree monitor (Zoo Babies June 2011 not on exhibit), Quince Monitor, Jasper a Crocodile monitor, Hudo a Komodo dragon.

Otto M. Budig Family Foundation Manatee Springs
This building originally opened as an aquarium for various sharks and other saltwater fish. While Manatee Springs was under construction, a fire occurred in 1997 and damaged the building. After clean up, it was opened on May 21, 1999. This exhibit interprets swamp and river habitats of Florida and the species that inhabits these areas. Close-up viewing on both dry land, as well as dramatic underwater viewing of magnificent animals, including charismatic manatees, provide an exciting experience for every zoo visitor.

Greenhouse- American Alligator, Spotted turtle, Spotted gar, Florida cooter, Alligator snapping turtle, Leslie an American Crocodile

Featured exhibits: Land Hermit Crab, Alligator snapping turtle, Black Crappie, Channel Catfish, Golden shiner, Largemouth Bass, Redbreast sunfish, Redear sunfish, Knight Anole, Golden Silk Spider

Manatee exhibit: This large tank has 3 viewing areas including a bubble area, it also allows visitors to literally come with in inches with the zoo's 3 Florida Manatees, Wooten (300lbs), Illusion (900lbs) and Betsy (1800lbs). Betsy is the largest manatee the zoo has ever had and because of her size and weight she will be freed in the near future. This is also the first time they've had 3 manatees at one time. The Cincinnati Zoo and the Columbus Zoo are currently the only zoos that are part the Manatee Rescue, Rehabilitation and Release Program.

Other species in the tank- Alligator gar, Chain pickerels, Channel catfish, Grass Carp, Florida Gars,a Florida softshell turtle, Longnose gar, Spotted gar and Golden shiners.

Stories of the Manatees- Wooten was rescued as a calf from the wild in February 2010. He appeared to be suffering from cold stress and his mother was no where in sight. The Miami Seaquarium took care of him for a few months before he came to the zoo in November 2010. Illusion, injured by a boat strike, was rescued in March 2010. The Miami Seaquarium also took care of her until she was ready to make the trip to the Zoo in November 2010. Betsy was born in 1990 in Homosassa Springs Wildlife State Park. When she arrived at the zoo in 2010, she weighed 1800 pounds, which is average for an adult manatee. These stories can also be read on a sign by the manatee exhibit.

Infamous Plant Invaders-Banded dwarf cichlid, Green Severum, Oscar, Red piranha, Red Devil Cichlid, Tilapia.

Florida Biodiversity- Florida Water Moccasin, Two-toed Amphiuma, Margarita Snail, Royal Gramma Basslet, Florida Decorated Crab, Peppermint Shrimp, Royal Coral Shrimp, Scarlet Hermit Crab, Turbo Snail, Southern Copperhead, Mangrove Water Snake, Loggerhead musk turtle, Eastern mosquitofish, Eastern Gulf Coast Waterdog.

Palmetto Scrub- is one large exhibit for a Corn Snake, Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnakes, Everglades Rat Snakes, Timber Rattlesnake, Yellow Rat Snakes.

Siegfried & Roy's White Lions of Timbavati
This large lush exhibit opened as Big Cat Canyon in 1975, containing three 1-year old White tigers. Today guests can come and see the rare African White Lions (Panthera leo krugeri), 4 out of the only 300 White lions are at the zoo. Visitors can walk over the Canyon bridge to view the lions unobstructed in a natural setting. These lions were donated to the zoo by Siegfried & Roy.

Rhino Reserve
This attraction originally opened as the African Veldt built in 1935, with yards for Zebras, Elands and African birds, Blesboks, Ostriches and a Hippo exhibit, then in 1997 it became Rhino Reserve.

Features: Nikki an Indian Rhinoceros, Kuvua an Okapi, Eastern Bongos and Grey-crowned Cranes, Greater Flamingos, Grevy's Zebras, and Klyde the Black Rhinoceros from the Columbus Zoo.

Zoo Babies all around the exhibit:Nikki had a miscarriage in October 2010, but she made history. Nikki gave birth to the first Indian Rhino born from AI but it died 12 hours after it's birth. Kuvua is currently pregnant and will give birth in December 2012. The bongos Mac and Safi gave birth to a baby girl named Luna, on February 24, 2010. Greater flamingo chicks hatched in July 2011 but the babies are currently not on exhibit. Marty a zebra was born at the Zoo in September 2009. Even though the zoo doesn't have a black rhino baby, they do rank as a U.S. leader in breeding Black rhinos with 18 births. After Labor Day guests will not be able to view Kuvua, the bongos and the cranes, and the zebras for the construction on Cat Canyon opening early summer of 2011.

Tiger Canyon
This attraction is closed for the construction of Cat Canyon that will open in June 2012. It will be home to Malayan tigers and Snow leopards and it will allow guests to get face-to-face with the cats. These 3 grottoes were also the first bar less exhibits at the zoo for lions, tiger and African Birds.

Features- White tigers and Cheetahs

Jungle Trails
Jungle Trails received the American Zoo and Aquarium Association's prestigious exhibit award in 1994. It is a naturalized rainforest habitat, teeming with rare and exotic wildlife and hundreds of plant species from Asia and Africa. The exhibit, with both indoor and outdoor viewing areas, and has become the home for the Zoo's collection of rare primates.

Asian Animals Trails- Mueller's gibbons, Lesser Adjutant Stork and Lana the Sumatran orangutan.

Tropical Asian Animals (building)- Slender-tailed cloud Rat, Banded palm civet, Sugar gliders, White-handed gibbons with a baby named Possum who was born at the zoo in 2010, Francois' langurs and Lion-tailed macaques. The langurs and the macaques rotate indoor and out.

African Animals Trial- Pink-backed Pelicans, Saddle-billed Stork, Black-and-white ruffed lemur, Bonobo, White-naped Ravens, and Angolan colobus monkeys. There were two baby bonobos born at the zoo in March and then another one was born in May of 2010.

Tropical African Animals (building)- African Striped Weasel, Garnett's galago, Grey Bamboo Lemurs, Diana monkeys, Eastern Yellow-billed Hornbill, Golden-breasted Starling, Hamerkop, Ruddy Shelducks, Bonobo, Aye-aye, and Dumeril's Ground boa.

Kroger Lords of the Arctic
Opened in the year 2000, this exhibit is a palatial 21,000-square-foot exhibit, featuring a 12-foot-deep underwater viewing tank, and a 70,000-gallon pool.

Features- Polar bears, Barred Owl

Bear line- Built 1937 called the Bear Pits, is two very small and outdated grottoes for Spectacled bears, and American black bears

Wings of the World
This was originally the Reptile House that opened in 1937 and was converted into the Bird House in 1961 and then later expanded and renovated into Wings of the World in 1996. It features 9 exhibits that display birds and their habitats from all over the world.

Outdoor exhibits: Blue-throated Macaw, Blue-and-Gold Macaw, Southern Screamer, Laughing Kookaburra

Amazon: Crested Screamers, Opal-rumped Tanager, Paradise Tanager, Red-capped Cardinal, Elegant Crested Tinamou, Guira Cuckoo, Golden Conure, Northern Helmeted Curassow, Northern Lapwing, Red Shoveler, Saffron Finch, Scarlet Ibis, Sunbittern, Yellow-rumped Cacique

Australasia: Raggiana Bird-of-paradise (outside the actual aviary), Giant Fruit Bat, Nicobar Pigeon, Asian Fairy-bluebird, Bali Mynah, Blue-crowned Laughingthrush, Jambu Fruit Dove, White-naped Pheasant Pigeon, White-throated Ground Dove

Montane: Masked Bobwhite Quail and Thick-billed Parrot

Grasslands: Black-winged Red Bishop, Blue-breasted Kingfisher, Blue-naped Mousebird, Four-banded Sandgrouse, Golden-breasted Starling, Northern Carmine Bee-eater, Violet-backed Starling

Wetlands: Double-crested Cormorant, Tri-colored Heron, Ruddy Duck, Red-bellied Cooter, Peninsula cooter

Featured Wall Exhibits: Bourke's Parakeet, Red-flanked Lorikeet, Scarlet-chested Parrot, Gouldian Finch.

Arctic Islands: Crested Auklet, Harlequin Duck, Least Auklet, Whiskered Auklet, Smew

Arctic Sea Cliffs: Common Murre, Harlequin Duck, Horned Puffin, Spectacled Eider, Pigeon Guillemot (Zoo Baby June 2011).

Sub-antarctic Coast- Opened in 1969 as a penguin exhibit but today it isn't just for penguins. Now it features the only Black-faced Ibis on display in the world, Chiloe Wigeon, Blue-eyed Cormorant, Inca Tern, 7 King Penguins, 2 Magellanic Penguins and 10 Southern Rockhopper Penguins (Zoo Baby June 2, 2011).

Spaulding Lorikeet Landing
The Walk-Through Flight Cage opened in 1962 until it was turned into Lorikeet Landing during the temporary Adventure Down Under attraction that took over the Children's Zoo in the summer of 2006. This walk-through aviary allows guests to feed the birds for only 1$.

Features: Black-capped Lory, Rainbow Lorikeet, Ornate Lorikeet, Chattering Lory, Nicobar Pigeon, Pied Imperial-pigeon, Kea, Cape Barren Goose, Magpie Goose, Ruddy Shelduck, Victoria Crowned Pigeon.

Wolf Woods
This exhibit opened in 2005 when it was originally called Otter Creek and featured Cheetahs in today's wolf exhibit.

Features: Grey Fox, North American river otter, Eastern box turtle,  two sister Mexican wolves who were born at the zoo in 2006, Thick-billed Parrot, Masked Bobwhite Quail

Sea Lions- At the entrance of Wolf Woods, guests will see Callie and Duke, the California Sea Lions. This exhibit has 4 viewing areas including a 7ft deep pool with an underwater viewing. Before the sea lions came to the zoo, there were three Pacific Walrus', until they all died of sickness by 2002.

Penguin Walkabout
This is also the entrance to the Children's Zoo and it is one large yard for 3 African Penguins and 24 Little Penguins. There is a Little Penguin Zoo Baby named, Hershey, who was born at the zoo on January 10, 2011. She was the 22nd little penguin hatched at the zoo.

Spaulding Children's Zoo
The Children's Zoo opened in 1938 and renovated in 1984-1985. 55,000 square feet of exhibits that feature rare cousins of common barnyard animals, animals of the eastern U.S. woodlands, and animals of the southwestern U.S. desert. The statue of Joseph H. Spaulding Jr. at the entrance is by Lazlo Ispansky.

Nursery: Padmae the Aardvark, Adams the Parma Wallaby, Lucy the Bearcat, Rocko and Jaz the Bennett's Wallabies, and Watson the Coatimundi. The animals in the nursery are trained to go around the zoo and interact with guests.

Featured exhibit: Homing pigeon

Play Area: Radiated tortoise, Red-footed tortoise, Gopher tortoise, Six-banded Armadillo, Screaming Hairy Armadillo (Zoo Babies on January 13, 2011), Southern Three-banded Armadillo (the three armadillo species rotate every other day and are sometimes used in the interactive program).

Petting Zoo: allows guests to get to pet and feed Nigerian Dwarf Goats and Baby Doll Sheep.

Featured exhibits- Hali a Tawny Frogmouth, Domestic Chicken, Junglefowl

Blakeley's Barn- Jacob sheep, and Dexter cattle, Miniature cattle (Texas Longhorn and a Dexter cattle cross), Nigerian Dwarf Goat, Alpaca , Miniature donkey, Llama.

Gibbon Islands
Completed in 1972, Gibbon Islands occupies the former location of the old Opera Pavilion. (From 1920-1971, the Cincinnati Zoo was home to the Cincinnati Opera Summer Festival.) These two islands are surrounded by water that flows from Swan Lake. Bamboo exercise bars are the stage for gibbons who entertain visitors with their acrobatic antics and loud whooping calls.

Features: Siamangs, and Buff-cheeked gibbons

Red Panda Exhibit- Naturalistic woodland landscape includes many unusual Chinese plant species to simulate the natural forest habitat of the Red panda. One pair of pandas is a gift to the Cincinnati Zoo from the Beijing Zoo.

Swan Lake
This big body of water takes up a lot of the zoo's ground, in the early zoo days, when the animals passed away, staff would throw their carcass' into the lake, the Elephant skull in Jungle Trails was recovered from the lake.

Features: Mallard, Canada Goose, Mandarin Duck, Northern Pintail, Redhead, Trumpeter Swan, Wood Duck and a separate island home to Red-crowned Cranes.

Wetland Trails- Wetland trails is on the other side of the lake and it is home to a Sandhill Crane and other birds from Swan Lake.

Dobsa Giraffe Ridge
This attraction opened on June 6, 2008 and is also a favorite, mainly because it allows guests to feed crackers to the giraffes. The zoo originally had 5 Masai Giraffes (Giraffa camelopardalis tippelskirchi) when it first opened. After the summer of 2008, 2 giraffes them went to a different zoo.

Phase II of Africa- Greater Flamingo, Grey-crowned Crane and Cheetah Encounters. Where guests will see the fastest Cheetah in captivity, a Red River Hog, and a Serval.

Giraffe Mishaps: In November 2010 Akilah, a 2 year-old giraffe born at the Houston Zoo died of cardiac arrest. One of her horns got stuck in a netted fence and it couldn't get it out and she later died. The netted fencing was then later removed. Now the zoo is home to 2 giraffes, their names are Tessa and Kimba. Tessa gave birth to a beautiful baby girl named Zuri on April 2, 2011, and Kimba was the father. The word zuri means "beautiful" in Swahili. Zuri was everyone's favorite animal at the zoo. Just 2 months after her birth she broke her leg. It wouldn't heal correctly, so they very sadly had to euthanize her.

Marge Schott-Unnewehr Elephant Reserve
Designed by Cincinnati-based Elzner and Anderson Architects and was built in 1906. This is an early example of pour-in-place reinforced concrete. The building is a blend of Islamic design influences, giving a Taj Mahal-like appearance, and it went on the National Register of Historic Places in 1975. This attraction opened as Vanishing Giants in the year 2000, until Giraffe Ridge opened in 2008. Elephant Reserve is home to 3 cows and 1 bull. The species of elephants at the zoo are Indian elephants (Elephas maximus indicus) and Malaysian elephants (Elephas maximus hirsutus). The cows' names in order from oldest to youngest are Schottzie II, My-Thai, and Jati, and the bull's name is Sabu. Jati and Sabu are the only elephants at the zoo that are in the breeding program and they are also both Malaysian elephants. The zoo has been trying to breed the two by putting Jati in Sabu's yard, but they never have mated since Sabu came back to the zoo in 2008. The last elephant born at the zoo was in 1995, his name was Gemseh, he was born from Jati and Sabu, the zoo didn't have the right space for a baby so they transferred Gemseh to the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium where he then died of herpes.

P&G Discovery Forest
Renovated in 1989, this outdoor classroom, located near the Education Center. Live animal demonstrations for school groups and Zoo visitors are presented regularly during the summer. In 1989 it was called the Frisch's Discovery Center until it was converted into animal exhibits. this building is also home to animals that are off display.

Features- Cane toad, Leroy a Blue-and-gold macaw, Boa constrictor and Moe (short for "Slow mow") a female Linnaeus's two-toed sloth

Copied text at Peoria Zoo
Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 14:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You seem also to be adding long unsourced passages of content, much of it trivial, and perhaps original research as well, per WP:OR. All such additions may be removed. You've been editing for months, and have garnered a few warnings--are you choosing to ignore Wikipedia guidelines by intent? 76.248.145.169 (talk) 14:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed your most recent additions to Cameron Park Zoo for the same reason, apparent copyright violations. Given your colorful history of doing pretty much as you please, disregarding the suggestions and warnings of other editors, as well as standard Wikipedia guidelines, I'll seek administrative help. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 20:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Can I do it in my own words?


 * That's the idea, if it's properly sourced. But you've been editing for months with an apparent disregard for how this works..... that includes unsourced content, promotional language, use of multiple IP accounts and a determination to edit war. One scratches one's head..... 76.248.145.169 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

And on...
This is your last warning. The next time you remove the maintenance templates from Wikipedia articles without resolving the problem that the template refers to, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. 76.248.145.169 (talk) 01:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

what are you talking about? i fixed them they didn't need to be there

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On your comments
This will not happen again. I won't even bother to ask if you understand why that cannot happen; it should be obvious that is not allowed. Just do not let it happen again. -- Jayron  32  04:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Qwyrxian (talk) 04:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * That didn't take too long. This is in no way acceptable, and I just warned you not to do that. You have now been blocked.  Follow the instructions below if you wish to be unblocked.-- Jayron  32  04:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Please I worked 6 months on it, I will behave I've already been making a rough draft for it. please I'm sorry- Zhand8

{{unblock revised | May I be unblocked? I feel I have calmed down enough to carry on, after what DonLammers I will continue to do lists and a little info out on each exhibit like the Columbus Zoos. If you don't like it too bad bad, its his fault for putting me in this position. -Zhand38

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{tlx|unblock|2=reason='' May I be unblocked? I feel I have calmed down enough to carry on, after what DonLammers I will continue to do lists and a little info out on each exhibit like the Columbus Zoos. If you don't like it too bad bad, its his fault for putting me in this position. -Zhand38''}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Jayron  32  04:42, 6 September 2011

{{unblock reviewed | 1=Pkease I'm sorry for whatever I did I need this article, it seriously keeps me comforted, I did nothing wrong I was trying to help | decline=WP:NOTTHERAPY. Unfortunately, your interactions are not comforting to others. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 13:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)}}

Please let me edit the page, i have already started to restart and make a new page with same info but not talk about the reader as if they are actually there. I have gotten comments on how well i did with this page, seriously look at the Facebook page and look at the Cat Canyon expansion notice and look at the comments, please, I'm sorry for my fowl language, it won't happen again, this is just where I feel safe, I went to the zoo twice a week over the summer to verify that every animals was in the right exhibit. But I also worked on it for 6 months and it took a lot of my time up, once again I'm deeply sorry Wikipedia and the administratives, I also got zoochat taken away from me, and thats where I can go to talk to people like me, the point is that my Zoo life is falling apart right now, and I want to be a zoo exhibit designer. Once again sorry. -Zhand38

What to do now
Hi. If you're going to request an unblock, I'm afraid that you're going to need to ask for it each time in the box, like you did above. Otherwise, people who are going to consider your request might not even know you've asked for it. I'm an administrator, but I won't be judging your unblock request myself, because I've decided to try to talk to you about some of the problems you've had and share ideas about what you can do about them. My goal is to try to get some of your work up and published somewhere and see you back editing on Wikipedia, either now or later.

First, I understand that you were very upset when the content you put in Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden was taken down, but you really can't react the way you did when something like that happens. :/ If you're very upset, walk away from Wikipedia for a few hours or even a few days and calm down. It helps.

Working out problems with other people on Wikipedia is part of the deal here. The entire project is created by "consensus". We agree on what the rules should be, and we agree when articles meet them (or don't). When two people don't agree on something, they need to get more involved to help work it out. (It's not exactly a democracy. For instance, if somebody tells you that you can't do something and they show you a policy or guideline that says you can't do it, that's like having a whole lot of people agreeing with them. :) Ten people saying something is okay do not necessarily outvote one person with a policy saying they can't.) Because we work by agreement (Consensus), we have to be willing to talk to other people about any problems they have with the way an article is being developed. You can do this on your talk page or their talk page or even on the article's talk page, but you have to do it.

You're obviously a good writer. What you wrote about the exhibits is very colorful and interesting. Some of it would never be okay on Wikipedia, though, just because of the policies we've agreed to about what articles should look like here.

But other websites have different rules. I notice that there is no article at all on the Cincinnati Zoo at Wikia Travel. I don't know all their rules, but they might be happy with your colorful writing there. Because it uses the same software used here, most of the markup will be familiar to you if you want to try to create an article there. See the page on Cincinnati, and the red link for the zoo, at http://travel.wikia.com/wiki/Cincinnati. I can help you get back some of the text you put in the article, if you want, to put it over there. (But you should not put over there any text that you copied from any other website. They don't take copyrighted text, either.) You can even put text written by other people on Wikipedia over there, if you do it right, because our websites use the same license. I can show you how to do that, too.

If you want to show that you can work in Wikipedia's environment, you may want to try creating an article about the zoo at Simple English Wikipedia. That website is connected to Wikipedia, but a little different--they try to keep their vocabulary simple, because they are writing for people who may not speak English that well. They don't have any article on the zoo, either.

If you decide to write one, the rules there are pretty similar to the rules here. I would recommend looking at some of them, especially these: Simple:Wikipedia:Consensus, Simple:Wikipedia:Verifiability and Simple:Wikipedia:No original research. Just like with the Wikia website I linked first, you can copy some of the article parts written by other Wikipedians, as long as you do it right. I can show you how.

If you do write the article at Simple English Wikipedia, and it is within those rules, people might feel more confident about letting you work on the one here. But please remember that if you decide to build an article at either place, your goal should be to make the best article you can there. :) Don't do it just so that you can get unblocked here. That may or may not happen, and those places both have lots of readers, too.

If you want to try that, I'd recommend writing the article at Simple English Wikipedia and ask some of the editors over there to help you figure out if you meet their policies. You can ask, when the article is finished, at Simple:Wikipedia:Peer review. They will tell you what kinds of changes you might need to make. That would not only show that you can write an article in the rules, but also that you can work with other Wikipedians.

If you want to request unblocking again here right now, you can do that. If you ask to be unblocked, you should make sure that people can see that you know what went wrong and what to do better. If you do all that and they still don't think it's a good idea to unblock you right now, you might want to work at one of those other websites for a while and try again in a few months.

When you're writing for publication somewhere else, you sometimes have to change the way you write to suit them. :) I write professionally sometimes, and I know how hard that can be. :/ And I'm sorry for writing so much; Wikipedians remind each other not to do that (see Too long; didn't read), but I had a lot I wanted to share, and I hope you get some good ideas out of it. :)

I'll be back by your talk page, if you have any questions for me. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, because it was so long, I archived some of your talk page to User talk:Zhand38/Archive 1. I hope you don't mind. If you do, I'll fix it back. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

It is fine for responding with a long message you actually gave me relief that I can show other people my info some place else, still pissed though, my stomach still hurts from thinking about. I know this will sound childish, but when I found put last night I balled my eyes out. And I wont kill myself and sorry for the fowl language but still I don't think anyone here understands how hurt I am know one warned me to not continue to respond on the Wiki admininstratives. Thanks again.-Zhand38


 * I'm glad you're feeling better even if you're still angry. I can see how much time you put into it, so I know it must have been quite a shock for you. :( Do you know how to find the content you already placed in the article, or would you like me to help you get that back? I will have to make sure that none of the content I give you was copied from any other website. We have to obey the US law on copyright here. If you want to use what you wrote already, Wikia is probably the best place to try to take it. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Uuuuh yeah sure, what do you mean?- Zhand38


 * Well, I don't know how much you know about Wikipedia markup.


 * So I don't know if you are aware that what you wrote isn't really gone. It's still in the "history" of the article. You can see it all at . I can get that for you and give it to you (I could email you or put it in your userspace) so that you can put it on Wikia, or, if you know how and you want to, you can get it for yourself. You just need to let me know if you need my assistance or if you want to do it yourself. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I actually found it yesterday and have already started doing the Wikia page. Thanks-Zhand38

There I did it, when Don Lammers said good job on the Cincinnati zoo section of your page, was he commenting on how you deleted everything?-Zhand38
 * No, Don Lammers, I am sure, was commenting on Moonriddengirl's lengthy message to you. I am the one who removed a lot of the content of that article, and while I am sorry for you that some of your work is no longer in the article, I hope you understand that I did not do so for personal reasons but because in my opinion (and that of others, I think) the material was not of an encyclopedic nature--mainly for reasons of writing style (not neutral enough--see WP:Neutrality) and of verification (too much original research--see WP:OR). As Moonriddengirl suggested, other projects have other policies; part of my job, as I see it, is to make our own articles conform to our own policies and guidelines. Part of being unblocked is showing an awareness of such policies and guidelines, but, in this case, especially of showing that emotions won't get the upperhand when things don't go your way. As far as zoos are concerned, have a look at Prospect Park Zoo, which is a Good Article--Cincinnati Zoo could look like that too. All the best, Drmies (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with Drmies; I think he's probably glad that I found another option for you. :) I've never edited that page myself, and I'm sure he knows that. My name isn't in that article's editing history. I don't think I had ever even looked at the article before I saw this situation at the Administrators' noticeboard and decided I wanted to try to help you.


 * It is part of our job to make our articles conform to our own policies and guidelines. Sometimes, we have to enforce policies and guidelines here in a way that makes other people unhappy, but we don't necessarily enjoy it. :/ A few years ago, I had to delete a page that a girl wrote about a tv show she had made up. She had put so much time into it that she had even written a script. I felt really terrible about making her unhappy, but we couldn't have it here. (I'm happy to say that we found a good place for that page on Wikia, too. She wasn't quite as good with this stuff as you are, so I actually helped her move that one.)


 * Anyway, I hope things go well with the article at Wikia and that at some point you do come back to help develop the article here in the ways we're allowed to by policy and guideline. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I debated about putting that comment where it could be misinterpreted, but I was impressed that Moonriddengirl stepped in to suggest alternatives, and by her tone, and wanted say so. Perhaps I should have been more explicit. Your content and your research is not lost, here or anywhere. You already have it to work with, and I was already in the process of rewriting some sections to meet WikiPedia rules (right in the middle of one section when it was deleted), and will continue to do so based on what you wrote and anything else I can dig up. Your work will not be lost, even here, though by necessity it will take a slightly different form. This will take a while, as I'm in the middle of a software release in real life, and thus my time on WikiPedia is somewhat curtailed at the moment. Don Lammers (talk) 12:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Soooooooooooooooo unblock me?-Zhand38

Did the zoo requests this be taken down?- Zhand38


 * If you want to be unblocked, you need to request it again the way I described above. I doubt that the zoo had anything to do with this; the content was more than likely just modified to bring it in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I'm just wondering because they also too complimented on my work and for showing how passionate I am for the zoo. Has anyone looked at the Wikia page and reconsidered using that article and putting it on the Cin Zoo page, because i can't stand to see it bare, and for people to visit the page and see, ''Wow, some people just don't care about their enough to show it to people". Go ahead look at it now, it looks great.-Zhand38

http://travel.wikia.com/wiki/Cincinnati_Zoo


 * It does look great. :) It is a great travel guide, but the community has decided that detailed travel guides are not appropriate for Wikipedia. They look for different kinds of information in articles. Don Lammers has said that he's trying to work with some of the content you wrote in the article already so that it does meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, so hopefully you will see some of that content return soon. The question here was never about your passion or even the quality of your work, just making your work fit in here and making sure you understand that you have to listen to and work with other people, even if that means that the article isn't developed the way you want it to be.


 * I'm glad that the Wikia people appreciate what you've done! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:21, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but it got deleted again and this time I can't tell anyone why, Hint: Its the reason why I asked if the zoo had anything to do with this.--Zhand38 (talk) 7:46, 8 Septmeber 2011

Since I can't get to it anymore, can someone give me a link to my old article?-Zhand38


 * As Moonriddengirl has told you, an editor can more or less always find what they've written in the past, by clicking on the article history tab and scrolling down to see all the revisions (each is a past version). This may be the one you want. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoa! I don't know where this is coming from (especially since the person you're talking to wasn't the one who removed the material), but if you talk to other people like that, you aren't like to get unblocked. :( You have to work well with others here. We have rules on Wikipedia about behavior and about what kind of content we publish. You have to follow those rules, or you can't contribute. What you are under right now is an "indefinite block". Indefinite does not mean forever. It means "show us that you can work with us and you can probably be unblocked." But continuing to talk to people this way and considering them "enemies" are likely to lead to your being banned. That's a lot harder to overcome. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, it seems that somebody came in and removed a lot of content from the article. Their reasons for doing so were not well expressed, so I've restored it. But it's very important that you understand if you return to editing Wikipedia that you do not and cannot control what happens to articles you work on. I've restored the stuff he removed, but if he has a good reason to remove it and consensus supports that, it'll be removed again. And we have to accept that.


 * Even if you feel very strongly about something here, you have to be polite when you talk to other people about it. You can't have enemies, and you can't yell at people and insist that you get your way. That isn't the way things work here, not for any of us. Even as an administrator, I'd be blocked if I talked to people that way. If you want to demonstrate that you can come back to Wikipedia and work well with other people, you really have to show that you can stay calm and talk to people properly. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow thanks for being the only one being reasonable here especially putting the info on the future exhibits, but the History of the article said he did all of of it. I will continue to talk polite, but if I do get unblocked I will use the list again a little info on the sentence like the Columbus zoo's article, which no one seems to want to get rid of it like mine, which was the exact same ting. Go ahead look at it. -Zhand38


 * Please look at the history more carefully. I did not do either of the deletions. I did an edit on a section just before it was deleted, but I have not done anything to the article since the first deletion. I was hoping to start restoring some of the content soon, with appropriate citations, but from the comments above it seems best if I stay out of the article for a while and let other editors work on it. Don Lammers (talk) 02:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

No wait I'm sorry, it just said you did it and it said a comment that said "Are you kidding me?" for the gorilla world. I'm just frustrated, did you see my new article?- Zhand38

Nooo please let me fix it now, it looks awful, everything is wrong and incorrect and provides no info, please, please I'm sorry, please use mine, I tried to get unblocked but no one is responding, please I'm sorry. Please there animals out of place, some of them aren't even at the zoo, and it just looks bad, especially since it is a list. He also took off valuable info that I didn't even put on there. -zhand38 Can someone please comment on my article below?

what the heck, that Mils guy did exactly what I wanted, he provided for me great info, and there are animals not at the zoo and some are out of place and some that left, Okapi's is wrong and it looks awful. Don I'm deeply sorry I snapped at you, please unblock me to fix the problem. He also said he was going to citate all of it, but you didn't give him a chance. By the way how do you cite things at the bottom again?-Zhand38


 * I am not an admin, and cannot unblock you. Any unblock requests need to be submitted as indicated by Moonriddengirl above. I did not make the edit with the comment "Are you kidding?" (look again more carefully). I would be happy to help you with citations if you are unblocked, but you need to pay attention to the admins if you expect this to be any time soon. Don Lammers (talk) 22:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you and sorry again, but I thought it you did. Thanks for the future help but I know what I'm going to do. I thank anyone for deleting Okapi's work, I now know what it felt like for you to see that list. I also did request to be unblocked but it sin't working, no one is respinding. (Zhand38 (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2011 (UTC))


 * As you know, Okapi was one of your sockpuppets (Okapi was you), see Sockpuppet investigations/Zhand38. It won't help you to carry on trying to say otherwise. You have not posted an unblock template, which is why nobody has responded. However, you are not ready to be unblocked yet because you have not shown that you understand the policies of this website or that you are willing to abide by them. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

NO NO NO NO seriously, Okapi wasn't me (thought i want him to be gone), I only made Hmilz38 and Natport1, I swear, why else would you think I was so mad that it looked awful, I'm not that smart. i only acted like i was mad for when Nat and Milz made the article and someone deleted it. I swear it wasn't me. So if you blocked Okapi, then I will say not happily that he should be unblocked. Sorry again I'm just desperate. Trust me if you've seen my work, what Okapi did is not near what I would've done. He provided false facts and there were misplaced things. (Zhand38 (talk) 23:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC))


 * The checkuser said otherwise: Sockpuppet investigations/Zhand38. While you say "I'm not that smart," please keep in mind, nobody said it was "smart" to do that. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:53, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah it said "not sure" if it is Zhand38. Please unblock the guy, watch he won't edit it the way I do. Trust me if you saw the article, it is a list, is false info, things are out of place, there are some animals listed that we don't even have, he took off important info. all the things i wouldn't do. Buuut I do think you should keep him blocked so he stops editing the article. (Zhand38 (talk) 01:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC))


 * You're mistaken. The checkuser did not say they were "not sure." The checkuser said Zhand38 is a match with Okapi2196, meaning you were editing while logged on as Okapi. I won't get into the technical means of checkuser, nor will I get into my own thoughts as to why you might have made those kinds of edits under another username (which by the way, showed up only after you were blocked and then, only edited that one zoo article.) `Gwen Gale (talk) 01:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, there is no need, when you sign, to put the tildes in parentheses. Type only the four tildes. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

IT WASN'T ME, I ALREADY TOLD YOU, EVEN IF IT WAS I WOULD'VE ADMITTED IT, I ADMITTED TO THE OTHER TWO!!!!!!! IT WASN'T ME, HIS ARTICLE WAS AFWFUL, I WOULD'VE USED MY RUFF DRAFT, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. Zhand38 (talk) 01:33, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Though I would like for him to stay blocked so he can stay away from the article tht was taken away from me. Zhand38 (talk) 17:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The article was never yours (or anybody else's) to "take away." You've already been told this, see also WP:OWN. So far, you seem to have either done nothing to learn how things are done here, or you don't care.


 * I asked you yesterday to stop working on your draft which is here on this talk page. You can copy it and take it elsewhere, but you can't work on it here. I left it on this page (hidden by what we call a "hat") so that you'd easily be able to find it, copy it and take it somewhere else.


 * Don't edit the draft here. If you carry on editing the draft on this talk page, it will be removed from this page (but it will still be in the page's version history, which you've already been told about).


 * If it is removed from this page and you try to put it back, this talk page will be locked and you won't be able to edit even this talk page. I hope this doesn't happen, since so long as you can post here, it will be much easier for you to ask questions about policies and work towards perhaps getting unblocked. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

1. You never told me to not edit the draft

2. Thats not the response i wanted to here, I'm freakin' talking about Okapi, which for the last time, wasn't me Zhand38 (talk) 18:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * 1. You're mistaken. I told you to stop yesterday. Here is the diff. I understand you don't carefully read the posts that are left for you here...


 * 2. ...I guess because, as you say, they don't tell you what you want to hear. Meanwhile, a checkuser said this editor account was a technical match for Okapi, as you have already been told. Bickering about that won't help much, given you also tried to run two other sockpuppets.


 * The warning stands: Stop working on the draft on this talk page, which you should use only to talk about your block (which is now for both disruption and sockpuppetry) and learning about the policies here enough that you might be unblocked at a later time. Either way, so long as you show an unwillingness to learn the policies and abide by them, you won't be allowed to edit here and you won't be allowed to waste the time of other editors on this talk page. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, so you haven't even learned that snarky posts to others will get you nowhere here. I'd be willing to ask for another check on Okapi, but since you're still showing more or less zero shift in your behaviour since you were blocked, I don't think that would be worth anyone's time. Show a willingness to learn how things are done here and others will show a willingness to help you. I don't think you care about any of that, but I've been trying hard to find hints that maybe you could start caring. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Just as a little good faith advice, this is a really awful idea. Gwen seems to be one of the few admins willing to try and talk to you about what's going on, and listen to you. Calling her "stupid" because you don't understand what a Checkuser has said isn't going to help you with her, nor will it inspire anyone else to look into your case and consider unblocking you. Please try and remain civil in dealing with people, otherwise you're never going to get unblocked, and you won't be able to contribute. Dayewalker (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Fine but she keeps accusing me I'm Okapi. Zhand38 (talk) 19:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you removing the attack. However, no matter how much you wish us to believe your accounts are unrelated, it's not in your best interests to keep bringing it up. The Checkuser is clear, and that account wasn't the only one being used. Your way to eventually getting unblocked is not denial of what has already occurred, but rather showing admins that your behavior in the future will be in line with what's is expected here. That's what you should be focusing on. Make friends, not enemies. They can help you in the future. Dayewalker (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but that's not what I'm looking for, I'm looking for a "Okay Zhand we believe you're not Okapi", CUZ' IT NOT!!!! Zhand38 (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

What to do now 2
(carrying on from above) I'm looking into it. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

About Okapi: I asked for a technical CU check on User:Okapi2196 at Sockpuppet investigations/Zhand38.


 * User:Hmilz38 and the sleeper User:Natport1 were both created yesterday and are confirmed matches with you, Zhand38 (and you've said those were yours).


 * You say you aren't Okapi2196. However, Okapi was created three days after you were blocked and only ever edited Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden, the article over which you were blocked for disruption and on which we know you ran two sockpuppets. CU says that from a technical outlook, Okapi is a "possible" match with you (in other words, at the very least there's nothing technical about Okapi to show it's unlikely to be you).


 * So, I'll be straight with you. From the outside looking in, given edits like this, I think it highly likely that after being blocked, you ran Okapi as a sock, deleting content you had edited at Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden, to make other editors "feel sorry" for you and perhaps make them think there was a need for you to be unblocked so you could "fix" things.

Please keep in mind, I'm not saying this was a smart or clever thing to do. I won't go into some of the reasons aside from the CU technical check that we don't think Okapi popped up by happenstance (but rather, was you), because I'm not here to teach you how to run socks.

The most helpful thing you can do is drop the topic of Okapi, because it's not a big deal. The worry here is your utter lack of heed for any policy at all, along with getting along with other editors without throwing a fit. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine, I get that the evidence shows that I'm Okapi, but it wasn't me, why would I create a horrible article, miss animals and put them out of place and put too many of them on there? It wasn't me, I would admit to it, I'm sorry for calling you stupid, but wouldn't you think that when I repeatedly said I wasn't him, and you didn't believe me, that I would be very upset and frustrated? Zhand38 (talk) 01:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Since you asked, I think you're willing to throw fits and say your feelings are hurt, to get your way. Anyway, this has nothing to do with your showing that you have a willingness to learn and abide by the policies of this website. Let us know if you ever want to try doing that instead. So far as being "paid handsomely," as you know, that was another editor making a wry joke. Trying to attack other editors (to draw heed from yourself) will not help you. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Still have nothing to say about me not being Okapi do ya? Just say it wasn't me, i don't even care if you don't mean it just say it. If you do, then I will drop the subject. Zhand38 (talk) 02:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you care at all about actually being unblocked, so you can edit Wikipedia again? Dayewalker (talk) 02:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Zhand, I've said quite a lot about your claim that you're not Okapi (see above). Gwen Gale (talk) 02:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I do, but I just want someone to admit it wasn't me. Zhand38 (talk) 02:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm done here, until you begin saying you'd like to learn how to edit within policy. You don't need to learn how to do that, but it's the only way you will get unblocked. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Until you say it wasn't me I'll stop being a jerk. Zhand38 (talk) 02:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

You say you did all these things but you didn't. Zhand38 (talk) 02:58, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Gwen's been very nice to you so far, but now it appears your behavior is driving off any admin who might come by your page and help you. I'll be completely honest here, you're indef blocked from the site. You don't get to choose when you "stop being a jerk." Stop, or you won't even be welcome on your own page. If you actually want to contribute to WP, you need to stop complaining about your socks. You have two confirmed socks, complaining about a third is very "I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy," and honestly no one cares.


 * If you want to return to editing, stop complaining about your own behavior and begin showing people that you can obey the rules around WP. If not, soon this page will probably be locked for editing, and then you won't even be able to show admins that you're mature enough to add material to the subjects you like.


 * So what's it going to be? Dayewalker (talk) 02:59, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Once again sorry but I still don't get it, how am I being immature, people are accusing me of things I didn't do? Zhand38 (talk) 03:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Were the other two confirmed sockpuppets actually your accounts? Dayewalker (talk) 03:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes they were, I said that. Zhand38 (talk) 03:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Then you violated your block by using sockpuppets. It doesn't matter in the slightest if you did it with two socks or three. Dayewalker (talk) 03:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah if I used 3 then that would've made it look a lot worse. Zhand38 (talk) 03:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Sockpuppetry makes you look bad, one or a hundred. Focusing on one account you claim isn't yours and ignoring your own behavior isn't going to get you any closer to getting reinstated.


 * I'm willing to talk with you and try and help, but you have to understand it's going to be a long road. If you're not willing to start with your own behavior, you're not going to get there.


 * To begin with, do you understand why you were blocked? Dayewalker (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm listening and to tell the truth I do not know why.Zhand38 (talk) 03:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the first thing for you to do then is to reread all the discussions on your page (including any you may have archived and deleted), and find out why you were blocked. I'd also suggest looking at the noticeboard discussion here, which you contributed to in several ways that hastened your block. If you need to look back at your contributions to see what you added, you can do so here . Dayewalker (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Zhand, you shouldn't do this kind of thing, because it can mislead editors and worse, make it seem as though you want to mislead them. Gwen Gale (talk) 09:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how to respond, but I do realize that what I wrote was a bit too much. That's why I made the draft, but Don told me to get rid of the list, I did, he told me the paragraphs weren't good enough, so I changed 3 more times, and it still wasn't good enough. And when I finally get the perfect one I and my work get deleted. Zhand38 (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Zhand, I know you don't read these posts carefully, you only give them a quick skim, but I'm going to have one more go. If you're going to be a writer (or do any kind of creative and/or design work), you will learn, one way or another, that there are many and sundry notions of what "perfect" means and that sometimes, folks will not agree with what you think of your own work. Your writing was ok as a travel or promotional piece. However, going by the consensus of other editors, it was not ok as encyclopedia text. You were told this. Instead of thinking, "Oh, ok, Wikipedia isn't the place for the kind of writing I've done, too bad. So, maybe I should either shift how I'm writing about this zoo, to fit what folks here say is needed, or take my writing somewhere else altogether," you had to have it your way no matter what and threw a big online fit, which got you blocked. That's more or less how everyone else watching this sees it and you should think about that, along with whether or not Wikipedia is for you, or even worth your time as a writer. So far, to me, only for now, it looks as though it's not. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Appreciate it but I already made a draft in which i would be happy if someone used. Zhand38 (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. I take that to mean you don't think it's worth your time to do anything more. Meanwhile, editors may or may not draw from your draft, in ways you like or don't like, to further build the article. That's how things are done here, like it or not. Even if your edits had been kept, one couldn't then lock the article to your version. Sooner or later, others would come along, make edits and the article wouldn't be the same. That's what WP:OWN is all about. I think that until you can learn to work within how things are done here, which means living with text you may not like, Wikipedia is not for you. Anyway, if you're going to write for any kind of publication, one way or another, you're going to run into rejection at least now and then: Most writers have to deal with rejection more or less all the time. Here's a tip: If you handle rejection badly (as you've done here), it will only tend to stir up even more rejection.


 * You're not going to get what you want here. Most editors on Wikipedia, if not all of them, don't always get what they want. Many stay, many leave. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Trust me I listened to what you said but is there a date for me to be unblocked?Zhand38 (talk) 12:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No. The date for you to be unblocked on Wikipedia will never occur before you can understand what you did wrong, and can convince an admin you won't do it again. That's where you should be focusing your efforts, not tweaking the article you have here on your talk page that will never reach Wikipedia until you're unblocked. Dayewalker (talk) 15:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Why I know what I did wrong. What if I don't respond or do anything on Wiki? Will I have a better chance of getting unblocked? I also thanked immensely on 5 different paragraphs, you don't bother reading what I have to say. I'd rather talk to Moongirl because she made me feel good about myself and that hope wasn't lost for me on this. Zhand38 (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Summing up, you will have zero chance of being unblocked until you can show an admin (any admin) that you understand exactly why you were blocked, and explain that you won't do it again. You don't seem to understand this but until then, no one wants to discuss anything else with you. The only reason this talk page isn't locked down is because you can use it for unblock requests. If you're not going to do that, it's just best you get a blog or something else and forget about Wikipedia. Dayewalker (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I have 3 times why don't you scroll up. Zhand38 (talk) 18:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Sock puppetry
Okay, you created new accounts to use to edit the article even knowing that you are blocked and not allowed to edit Wikipedia. This is called "sock puppetry", Your other accounts are now all blocked, and your chances of being unblocked here at this point have dropped considerably. While you are blocked, you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia at all. If you do anyway and you are caught, you will just make it less likely that you will ever be allowed to edit Wikipedia, and everything you put on Wikipedia with your other accounts can be deleted just because you put it here against the rules. That means that even if what you put here is completely within policies, it can be deleted.

If you want to contribute to Wikipedia at some point, you need to stop what you're doing. I would recommend you reread what I wrote above about ways to prove that you can work on Wikipedia. The approach you're taking now isn't going to work. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:45, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

where we stand now
Zhand, you haven't shown any hint at all that you're willing to learn how things are done on this website, but rather, only that you want to do things your way no matter what. By carrying on this way after you were blocked, you've only made things worse for yourself here. As it stands now, perhaps you should take a break from Wikipedia and think things through more carefully. Either way, you will not be allowed to edit this website until you've shown an understanding of the policies and a willingness to abide by them. This will likely take some time.

Meanwhile, since you're not ready to write articles here, please do not use this talk page for writing drafts of article content. You may use this talk page only to talk and ask questions about your block (along with the blocks of your sockpuppets) and Wikipedia policies.

There is a way for you to get yourself unblocked, maybe in a week or two, or a month or two. This will not happen easily. Editors will have to see a big shift in your outlook and behaviour. I don't think you will be able to show this through an unblock request (yet) or by a simple post to this page. Meanwhile, if you open any more user accounts (see WP:Sockpuppet), you could be banned altogether from Wikipedia and it could take a year or more to get that lifted. So please step back and think about all this. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

By the way, if you do post on this page, please sign your posts with four tildes. It shows the date and time of your post and is very helpful to other editors. You would do this by typing:. That's it, there is no need to type your username, only the four tildes.

So, please remember to sign any post with four tildes. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks once again I'm sorry, but if you read my thing above, it says a lot of things are wrong, and it is true. All I wanted was a date of when I would be blocked, and I am excited to here that it could be in a week or two. (Zhand38 (talk) 22:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC))


 * I don't think you're carefully reading what editors are telling you. I'll put it another way, then. So far, it looks to me like you will not be unblocked in two weeks, maybe not even in two months, because you still have shown no interest at all in the policies. Rather, you still seem to be showing that you don't care about the policies at all. That's ok, but for as long as that lasts, you will not be allowed to edit here. You can read the policies at WP:Five pillars. You have a long, long way to go before being unblocked and I'm not talking about time at all. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

draft removed
I warned you twice not to work on article drafts on this talk page. Yet, in the last day you made over two dozen edits to the hatted article draft on this page. Hence, as I warned, I've moved the draft to the archive page Moonriddengirl had set up for you earlier (User_talk:Zhand38/Archive_1). Since you're blocked, you can't edit that page, but you can copy the draft from there. It is not lost.

Also, as I warned, if you try to put it back on this page, or try to work on an article draft on this page, I will lock you out of this page (you won't even be able to edit here, your own talk page). This talk page is only for discussing your block and how you might one day be unblocked.

You have so far made zero acknowledgement that you a) understand why you are blocked, b) are willing to learn the policies here and c) would be willing to abide by those policies. Hence, so far, there is no meaningful way to talk about an unblock date. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)