User talk:Zigzag Z

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Zigzag Z! Your additions to Myint Swe (born 1951) have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.


 * You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
 * Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
 * We have strict guidelines on the usage of copyrighted images. Fair use images must meet all ten of the non-free content criteria in order to be used in articles, or they will be deleted.  All other images must be made available under a free and open license that allows commercial and derivative reuse to be used on Wikipedia.
 * If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a legally designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. Understand, though, that unlike many other sites, where a person can license their content for use there and retain non-free ownership, that is not possible at Wikipedia. Rather, the release of content must be irrevocable, to the world, into the public domain (PD) or under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. Such a release must be done in a verifiable manner, so that the authority of the person purporting to release the copyright is evidenced. See Donating copyrighted materials.
 * Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you must follow the copyright attribution steps in Translation. See also Copying within Wikipedia.

It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ― Tartan357  Talk 05:42, 7 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Tartan357! Thank you very much for your message. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. However, I am not a beginner. I am usually active on jawiki, and I understand the basic policy. Of course, I know that no user should upload copyright infringing images. In fact, I have uploaded images that are in the public domain in Japan, but remain under copyright in the US, based on fair use (files uploaded to the jawiki). The image you mentioned about Myint Swe (born 1951) was uploaded to Commons by another user, and no notice of removal was posted at the time I used the image. So your concern is not justified. I will check the source of the image carefully in the future, but please be assured that I am well aware of the policy. Anyway, thank you for your concern. Arigatō!--Zigzag Z (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * By the way, your message makes it sound as if I uploaded a copyright infringing image. I just used it from Commons. It certainly would have been better to make sure that the image was under the proper license, but other users' posts should basically be Assumed good faith. It is somewhat unreasonable to say that we should be skeptical of it all. Moreover, Your text makes it sound as if I am the one who uploaded it. You seem to be using Template:Uw-copyright-new without changing it, so there may be a discrepancy, but I'm not happy that you even mentioned the block. Is there really such a thing as being blocked just because you used some images uploaded by other users? I am somewhat perplexed to receive such a message, since I was not the one who uploaded the inappropriate images in the first place. Of course, I appreciate your good intentions, so I said, "Arigatō". However, I still have some questions. Last but not least, I don't think I'm very good at English, so I apologize if any part of this is difficult to understand. Thank you.--Zigzag Z (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for your response. Your English is very good. I used the template unmodified, and definitely do not think this was blockable conduct. The use of a template warning message is also not an assumption of bad faith—I fully recognize that yours was a good-faith contribution. It's just a gentle reminder that you should not add nonfree content to articles. In the case of images, I do expect editors to take a reasonable degree of care in checking that the images they add to articles are properly licensed at Commons. Commons is a different project from Wikipedia, and images added here must comply with Wikipedia's strict image use policy. In this case, the photo was a pretty straightforward copyright violation. ― Tartan357  Talk 00:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thank you very much for your reply. I'm glad to hear that my point is being conveyed properly. First of all, I am relieved that you agree that my edits should not be blocked, because I have never heard any such claim. And I know the intent behind your use of the template. I'm sure you recognized that my edits were good-faith contributions, which is why you messaged me, and why I said "Arigatō" yesterday. What I'm saying is that we should be Assumed the contributions of other users in good faith, not only on enwiki, jawiki, and Commons, but on all Wikimedia Foundation projects. That's why I trusted the user who uploaded the image and used it for Myint Swe (born 1951). However, now that he has caused copyright infringement, we need to be careful about his editing in the future. I think this is a normal process. Of course, as you mentioned, checking the source of the image is also an important task, and I will try to keep that in mind. Nevertheless, this is an individual effort, and should not be forced on all users who use images. This is a difficult thing, since it is in principle based on trust in others.
 * I've explained a lot of things so far. The reason why I am continuing this dialogue in English, which I am not very confident about, is because I have some doubts about the message in the template. For example, there is a section on copyright infringement regarding quoting texts. However, this is completely irrelevant this time. As for the description of images, what is indicated in the template is a warning about uploading, which does not apply to me, who just used images from Commons. I think you are sending me a message because you think I am an English-speaking Wikipedia newbie. But then again, I think your caution is a bit different. It is all different from the examples given in the template. In this case, I think you should have spoken in your own words, not in the template. On another note, you say "images added here must comply with Wikipedia's strict image use policy.", but WP:IUPC says "Before you upload an image, make sure that the image falls in one of the four categories:". Considering the text as it stands, the use of Commons images without bad faith should not be overly problematic in the form of a warning. Of course, I have no intention of doing Wikilawyering, but I wonder if it was appropriate to use the template to warn as if it were an indefensible problem. This is my honest opinion and view. However, I am well aware of your good faith, and I really have no intention of betraying you at all. I would be very happy if you could understand my opinion. Thank you.--Zigzag Z (talk) 18:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I checked your edit history before templating you, and it was very short. I didn't check your global contributions. I assumed you were a new user unfamiliar with copyright. The template is intended as a courtesy, nothing more. ― Tartan357  Talk 18:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The uploader at Commons kept re-uploading the image after it had been deleted, which they did so many times that it resulted in a 1-week block. I was just frustrated with seeing it re-appear in articles here after being deleted. I realize that you may not have known that was going on. I don't have any concerns about your editing at this point. ― Tartan357  Talk 19:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks to your explanation, I am now aware of the circumstances under which the template was used. Even if I were a beginner, I did not have uploaded a copyright-infringing image, so I was hoping you could have used a more moderate expression. In any case, Thank you very much for taking the time to discuss. It's already midnight in Japan, so I'm going to bed. Have a good day!--Zigzag Z (talk) 19:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)