User talk:Ziled group

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Locomotive
I have removed a large part of your addition to the Locomotive article. While the subject is fascinating, the material you added read like an advertising brochure for the company concerned. Please take a look at our policy on maintaining a neutral point of view an our guidelines on conflicts of interest. It is important that you follow these while editing. Thanks for understanding, Gwernol 01:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation removed
I have again removed your addition to Locomotive since it is a direct copy of. Please note that you may not copy material from another website to Wikipedia. In this case the material is clearly marked as copyrighted, so this is a particularly obvious case of copyright violation. Thanks for understanding, Gwernol 01:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Gwernol

I had not finished as yet:

Hydrogen Locomotive Train Engines exist and are in opearation and therefore should be listed as a separate category. Including references to these articles should be covered under 'fair use' copyright. Please also see:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aug06/4255


 * Sorry, but a direct cut and paste copy of an article is not covered by fair use. In particular it is directly against Wikipedia's rules which don't allow you to copy copyrighted material into articles. Of course it would be good to cover Hydrogen cell technology but it has to be written from a neutral point of view and it cannot be copied material. Gwernol 02:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Gwernol, The second posting that you decided to removed was my writing and retelling of the copyrighted material in question and I was in the process of sourcing the material further.

The first piece that I did cut and pasted was poorly written, so I rewrote it and put up the second post which you did not approve of it seems. I did not keep a copy of what I wrote, which was my original work, after I posted it unfortunately.

For your information, a purely neutral point of view does not exist, even in journalism---so I don't know exactly what are you talking about. If you mean a fair and balanced view point, that I did in comparing the hydrarail technology to internal combustion engine technology. So I was discussing a know applied technology as applied to a locomotive train engine and comparing it to a combustion engine yet as I was posting you were deleting.

This applied technology for trains exist and thus it is not a public relations or advertising and not in far-out theory either. The train technology was explain by a former professor, who now is commercializing the technology, this is common in new technology. Dr. Miller did academic studies on the technology as a professor at a well know technical university so that is factual information.

I thought it important to explain and clarify Dr. Miller's discussion of the internal combustion engine technology as compared to the innovative hydrogen technology and I was clarifying that information in my second post---and had not finished sourcing and you were busy removing my post the topic.

If you understand emerging technology, you understand it is often controversial, because it is not well known and understood.

The US public does not know about the American invented hydrogen train technology, but Asia and Europe train makers are proving it works well. Given the President's State of the Union speech content, this information should have been in US newspapers this week but it was not. Does that seem like a neutral journalistic point of view?

Since you are acting as the Wikki Information gatekeeper here, look at this public affairs posting from the US State Department on the same subject matter topic.

http://www.usembassy.dk/Events/2006/Summer/HydrogenEconomy.htm

I am sure the US and Danish governments will be happy to have their posted information added to Wikki.

Here is a picture of the hydrogen train prototype that Dr. Miller developed and further reading material to prove it exists and is not just advertising hype:

http://www.hydrail.net/first-hydrogen-train.htm

And finally, JR East (East Japan Railway), the largest locomotive company in Japan serving over 16 million commuters daily has demonstrated the world's first hydrogen hybrid commuter train. Here is a picture of the JR East train and the facts:

http://www.hydrail.net/jreast-newenergytrain.html

Now Gwernol, I will ask you please repost my work, properly supported with these additional sources so US readers may read about this important technology.

Thank you.


 * Your second post can be found here. Please compare it to . They are close to word-for-word copies. You may not believe in a neutral point of view but it is Wikipedia's policy. Please read the linked article about this since it explains in detail what is meant on Wikipedia by this term.
 * If you want to work on the text of your addition without first adding it to the article, you can create a personal sandbox. Here is a link to one: User:Ziled group/sandbox. You can edit your text there until it is ready for inclusion in the article, then copy it across. Please make sure that the article is both written in a neutral tone and has proper citations. To give you some examples of neutrality:
 * the phrase "Dr. Arnold Miller, the president of Vehicle Projects, is considered one of the industry's pioneers." is problematic. Who considers him "one of the industry's pioneers"? Why is this relevant to the technology? Just describe the technology, don't write advertising copy for the person.
 * "Dr. Miller believes the proposed North Carolina commuter rail project has many benefits..." what relevance does this have? Again, just describe the technology without the color commentary.
 * "Dr. Miller stated that fuel cell transport vehicles are "the wave of the future,"" again this reads as hype. There is no need to tell the reader how to interpret the facts; just give the facts without the cheerleading.
 * Regarding your points about the US Embassy, I'm afraid that is not a neutral position. Wikipedia is certainly not the press room of the US or Danish governments and its is not our role to make them happy to have particular information posted here. As I mentioned in my first message on this page, I would like to see this subject covered in the article, but it must be done in a way that covers the subject of hydrogen cell locomotives; not one that covers the subject of Dr. Miller. It is clear, for example from that Vehicle Projects is only one part of the team developing this technology, so it is inappropriate to write an article that only cerdits this one group. Again, make the piece about the technology, not the developers of it. Gwernol 10:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)