User talk:Zodiiak/Archive 2

Jordan
I like how Tyrus doesn't see fit to respond to the RFC and then goes right back to the kind of behavior that prompted the RFC in the first place. Help me try to keep that article encyclopedic. This is the reason I added it to my watchlist--I was worried it would turn into some cruft filled fanpage in no time. If Tyrus was left alone with that page for an hour I'm sure he could turn it into an NPOV nightmare. Aaron Bowen 22:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Update: He was blocked again today for 3RR on Jordan. Aaron Bowen 00:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed he hasn't responded to the RFC, and probably will not. He continues to upset editors and violate wiki rules. I'll keep a watchful eye on articles he edits, especially on the Jordan article. Zodiiak 06:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out, I actually stayed up late as I knew as soon as his block ended he would start all over again. Aaron Bowen 03:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. He can be a bit stubborn...I guess sometimes you just can't get through to some people. Zodiiak
 * Have you seen his last couple of posts? Seriously I think he might need a timeout. Aaron Bowen 03:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, LOL...he's crazy. I don't think there's any point in trying to convince him otherwise. He doesn't realize how much work was put into that article. His obsession with Jordan is borderline inappropriate, LOL. Zodiiak 03:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like how on his talk page he acts like he's been a saint and doesn't know what people are talking about, yet at least 10-15 people have told him otherwise around here and he's completely ignored them. Oh well, 48 hours and counting down... Aaron Bowen 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * His block has been extended another three days, as he made more personal attacks. I'll add them to the list. Aaron Bowen 23:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

>>Wow. That guys a loose cannon. If he just toned down his attitude, limited his volatile word choice and biases he would be a solid contributor. Zodiiak 00:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Lebron
Thanks for adding that ref, didn't mean to be a stickler but just listing a book would mean someone would have to look through the entire book. '  Tayquan' hollaMy work 06:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I understand =) Zodiiak 06:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Michael Jordan additions
I work down the street from his house. I pass it every day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpeterson101 (talk • contribs)
 * That may or may not be true. Read Wikipedia's policy on Verifiability. Also, it's unnecessary to include such specific details for his biography. It becomes trivial and can also be intrusive. Zodiiak Dial Z 06:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Lebron
You had it at the end of the sentence, no one moved it from by the stats it was never by there. I was just putting the refs in numerical order since they were right next to each other and read [17][7] and by mistake moved it to the wrong sentence. '  Tayquan'  hollaMy work 12:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh Ok. It seemed strange that semantic-like edits were constantly being made and when that ref was seemingly moved without explanation it caused me to question the edit itself. Zodiiak Dial Z 16:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Dashes
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, although you probably are, but the dashes are available in the edit box (On my computer screen they're next to Insert:). I find that easier personally, it also eliminates some markup. Quadzilla99 22:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't think it was a big deal though. I guess if you're trying to reduce the size of an article though it can become useful. Zodiiak Dial Z 01:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I thought maybe you didn't know about it. Was just giving you a tip. Quadzilla99 01:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks bud =). Heads up, Tyrus is back, lol Zodiiak Dial Z 01:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It was a peaceful week wasn't it? Quadzilla99 01:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah but what's Wikipedia without some controversy? lol...thanks for letting me take care of the edit at D-Wade's article, I know you may have wanted to do it yourself but didn't want the edit to come off the wrong way. Zodiiak Dial Z 01:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Tyrus Mad
I'll take that as another personal attack, Zodiiak, since everyone on this site seems to think everything is a personal attack. I guess no one here has any emotion. They're all just robots? Anyways, please respond to my posts on the discussion for Career achievements of Dwyane Wade, as you appear to have been misinformed.--TyrusThomas4lyf 02:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're a fun guy Tyrus. You make wikipedia exciting. I responded there, but seriously consider responding at the RFC. I'm sure everyone's on pins and needles just waiting to hear your thoughts. Here's the link: Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf. Zodiiak Dial Z 02:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well he just upped it to a month. Quadzilla99 00:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoah, Bah-bye! Quadzilla99 13:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I can't say that I'm surprised. His behavior and attitude towards other editors was completely uncivil...it was bound to happen. Zodiiak Dial Z 18:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You hear that?
 * That's the sound of silence. '  Tayquan' hollaMy work 21:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. Let's see how long that will last. Zodiiak Dial Z 23:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for launching Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/68.253.216.115. I followed your model by setting up Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf, and eventually some effective action was taken. This route proved to be much more effective than posting at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Myasuda 13:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Let me know if you need any help with articles he may be vandalising. Zodiiak 03:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi -- I wasn't sure, but shouldn't your edits of Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (2nd) have gone into a new article "Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (3rd)"? This would maintain a history of his continuing sock-puppetry attempts. Anyhow, good catch! Myasuda 18:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I actually wasn't sure either. I did a search for the masterpuppet name and the only sock which was detected was that one.  I'm fairly sure both you and I filed a complaint before about him, but it looks like I filed mine under his previous anon-ip instead of his masterpuppet name. I'm not sure if I could resolve this in any other manner, other than attempting to stay more consistent this time.  Any thoughts? Zodiiak 00:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess since there are no comments or conclusions yet posted for Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (2nd), you can still create the new article ""Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (3rd)" as indicated in item number four (Start a case) of WP:SSP where it states


 * Use the input box below: replace the word PUPPETMASTER with the username you suspect of running sockpuppets, and click the "Start a case" button. If there were already previous reports on this username, for instance if you click that button and find yourself looking at an existing report, start a new case adding after the username whatever number is one higher than the highest existing report, for instance Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/PUPPETMASTER (2nd) ... or "(3rd)", or "(4th)", etc.


 * That is, I think you can just transfer the current set of edits to the new article (created as indicated above) and revert Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (2nd) to the previous state. This way, we preserve the record of his previous attempt to subvert the block that was placed upon him and create a new record for his latest attempt.  Myasuda 03:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This has been resolved now by Akhilleus (who supported your report). He created Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (3rd) and restored Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (2nd).  Myasuda 18:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah great! Thanks for the kind notification. Zodiiak 21:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I've got Suspected sock puppets/TyrusThomas4lyf (4th) up in case you feel like contributing. ;) Myasuda 02:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Zodiiak 14:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Good faith
Try to assume at least a little bit of good faith about new users. S/he had never previously been warned about not using fair use images for people, so how were they supposed to know better? --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 02:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I stated: "rv; wow are you trying to get us sued? lol, that picture has COPYRIGHT written all over it" The comment is obviously in jest. I did not issue a warning or anything of the sort. I also kindly contacted the user and informed him why I removed the image: Here. Is that not showing good faith? Also, the user was informed about fair use images, on May 10, 2007: Right Here. I've shown nothing but good faith towards him, as he has continually added unsourced and fan-like edits to the Bryant article. I simply removed them and in the summary explained why: here and here. All good faith. Zodiiak Dial Z 03:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way, s/he has been on Wikipedia about a week and then sees a note accusing him/her of doing something that can get Wikipedia sued. How would you feel if you were in that person's position?  The "lol" bit could be interrupted that you are laughing at the person for uploading a copyrighted image.  S/he was never warned on his/her talk page for uploading fair use images or making unsourced edits.  How are they supposed to know better?  You gotta say more than "you can't upload copyrighted images" and instead please list the alternatives.  It can be time consuming but it is well worth educating people about our policies.  Just throw a link or something so they at least have a starting point.  --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 03:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, drop the AGF part, but BITE still applies. :-) --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 03:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, so long as we agree that I did show good faith =) Maybe I could've been more detailed on why I removed the image. I just assumed he read the guidelines about uploading pictures, since there are several warnings about uploading copyrighted images before and after you upload them. I'll retract these vicious claws! LOL...I'll shoot him a message and just let him know that I was commenting in jest and not looking to scare or intimidate him. Zodiiak Dial Z 03:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Argh, I just took a look at his talk page, it looks like he's uploading copyrighted images all over the place, even after being warned by other editors. I think he needs some guidance. Update: Sent him a message explaining some of the things about editing articles on wiki =) Zodiiak Dial Z 03:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Barkley_1988_SI_Cover.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Barkley_1988_SI_Cover.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.  howcheng  {chat} 06:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. Replied. Zodiiak Dial Z 14:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, regarding those examples you used in your response to the deletion request; those are all going to be deleted most likely. I learned of this a couple of weeks ago when someone nominated all of the pics I had in LT for deletion. Despite my arguments they were all deleted (scroll down the page, there's like three in a row). Basically copyright paranoia has gotten pretty blatant around here lately. I probably should have just told an admin to delete all of the other ones I uploaded. Quadzilla99 21:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What about all the images at Sports illustrated? Zodiiak Dial Z 21:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Copyright paranoia has gotten pretty much out of control here lately. They'll most likely be deleted. We're moving towards the model of the German WIkipedia, which doesn't allow any fair use pics (that's the one that doesn't even have a decent pic of Mickey Mouse). Quadzilla99 21:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, I will argue in favor of it. Zodiiak Dial Z 22:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Some do survive, if you'll see in that link I provided the Brady Quinn SI issue survived. Good luck. Quadzilla99 23:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like mine survived =) Zodiiak 04:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

TO Raptors
Hi there, don't mean to trouble you, but there's been some issues raised at Featured article review/Toronto Raptors. Any feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Chensiyuan 08:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll be sure to take a look at it. Zodiiak Dial Z 20:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Got your message, I think his motivations are clear, which is a pity, because he did point out some good (but minor) corrections that can be made. Thanks for looking! Chensiyuan 08:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * My sympathies regarding the LB James article. That's why I edit less popular NBA articles lol. I tried reading the sea of comments at the talkpage and the editing history and had a headache. If at anytime you prefer to push Sir Charles for GA let me know I'd try and help out. Chensiyuan 15:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw your notice on your userpage -- I'm sure you have your reasons. But, I hope it's got nothing to do with dealing with difficult people on wikipedia... Chensiyuan 09:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your support and encouragement =) Zodiiak 04:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! Chensiyuan 06:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the welcome =) Zodiiak 06:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Dwyane Wade
OK, now you're getting somewhere. Now, could you tell me, how is it a milestone to have the most points in your first three years? I mean, first off, any knowledgeable sports analyst knows that this is solely a stat of consequence; he played in the NBA Finals in his first three years, therefore had a long postseason. I mean, he has already played a fourth year, and is already no longer the leading scorer through 4 years of postseason experience. You see, now you will have impressionable young people visiting the page and thinking "wow, he made history!" when in reality he was just in the right place at the right time. Would you like me to include how player X was the first in playoffs scoring through 6 years, 7 years, 8 years, 9 years, etc. etc. Oh, you think it would be original research? Well, no actually, it wouldn't.  All I'd have to do is cite old newspapers, where these sorts of stats abound. They just don't have the luxury of being on the internet. You see, these trivial analyses have gone on since the beginning of sports, and where they are used to glorify the modern player, wherein the past player does not hold this advantage, is where they are used unfairly, carelessly and all too stupidly.--75.32.39.104 05:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Anything can be a "stat of consequence." Total number of points scored for X is a "stat of consequence" simply because the player was given the opportunity. For example, all playoff stats are "Stats of consequence" because many players, who are top scorers, have not made the playoffs as many times as say, Michael Jordan. Therefore, by making the playoffs, they are given the opportunity to bulk their stats.  Dwyane Wade made the playoffs his first three years, and played well.  I'm not going to argue this back and forth, we both make points. It is a historical Milestone, look at the top 5 players in that category. Zodiiak 05:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it really isn't a historical milestone, and here's why. Dwyane Wade is one of the few players to be lucky enough to have a great team from the start of his career.  He is one of the very few players that has been on a TEAM that has advanced deep into the playoffs in his first three year, that has made the NBA Finals in his first three years.  And that is the ONLY reason he is atop the leaderboard if you look at it for first 3 years.  It's not like it's an ACTUALLY ACCURATE stat.  It's team dependent, not individually dependent, hence making this individual stat flawed.--Hoopsknowledge 05:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, lets make every stat about the team. Larry Bird was only good because of Parish and McHale, Johnson was only good because of Kareem and Worthy, Jordan was only good because of Pippen and Phil. None of those players were good, they were all hyped because of their team anyways. Magic wouldn't have had all those assists if he played on a different team, hell Jordan wouldn't have won any championships without Phil, let's get serious. Do you see where I'm getting at? And besides, who did Dwyane have on his team as a rookie? He took the Heat from a 25-57 team to 42-40 and into the Eastern Conference Semi Finals.  What's next, you talk about "It's the Conference he plays in!" or "Well that's because the NBA isn't like the 80s!" Everything may be dependant on something. Grant Hill would have more triple double's than Magic if he didn't get injured.  Allen Iverson would have the most points scored in the finals if his teams weren't so terrible. Kobe would have another ring if he had a decent center. Dwyane scored the most points in his first three years because of his team? So Jordan only has 6 Finals MVP and highest finals scoring average because of pip as well...it's another individual stat that's flawed@# Give me a break. I'm not going back and forth with this, I don't have the time for pointless arguments, Goto a forum for that. Zodiiak 06:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Charles Barkley
I think the article is worth a stab at GA nom. Since you are the chief architect of the article, what do you think? I just thought the NBA project has become a little stagnant in terms of pushing quality articles to GA -- that, combined with the fact that some really strange editors have come on board. Chensiyuan 03:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it needs some slight fine tuning, then we can make a solid push for GA nom. I'll give it a good look later on tonight and tomororw and make any necessary changes. I'll be sure to keep you posted. Zodiiak 01:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You know, it's comforting to see you cleaning up some of the mess generated by a ton of jokers who've been going around destroying NBA articles! Chensiyuan 02:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * lol...Thanks. I'm trying to chime in where ever I can and do some more fine tuning with the Barkley article in my spare time. Is there anything in the article you feel needs to be added or tweaked? Zodiiak 02:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * have looked through it quite a number of times and for purposes of GA im quite sure it's strong enough... that's my opinion. Chensiyuan 02:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Tim Duncan FAC
Hi, feel free to leave comments at the Tim Duncan FAC here. Thanks! Chensiyuan 13:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification, I left a few comments. Zodiiak 19:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I've tried to address them, except the Merlin part. I need to consult Onomatopoeia on that. I'm not sure who originally put it there, but I don't think the article would suffer without the whole "other interests" section. Please let us know if you have other suggestions. Chensiyuan 23:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'll chime in where ever I can and help as well.  It's a solid article, I just think it needs some small copyediting.  The Merlin nickname isn't a big issue.  It was just one of the first things that jumped out at me.  Zodiiak 23:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Onomatopoeia has no issue removing the whole section and well personally I'm a little exhausted answering queries on the FAC. Why is it that every FAC I'm involved in has such a bloated discussion? At least the MJ and Raptors ones had happy outcomes; Tim Duncan looks likely to be razed to the ground lol. Getting tired... Chensiyuan 13:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * lol. I've been there before, exhausted with wiki. Just remember not to take anything too personal and ask for help when you need it. Zodiiak 21:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hakim Warrick
Hey there. I'm trying to get the Hakim Warrick article promoted to GA status, and I've seen your name floating around the NBA pages. I was hoping you could take a look at the page and tell me what you think needs to be improved. Thanks for your help. Chengwes 16:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'll give it a look later on today--thanks =) Zodiiak 19:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. I would love to add more about his professional career, but there just isn't that much out there. Do you think I should just write more about good individual games he's had in his second pro year? Also, I added more to the lead, and added a personal section. Chengwes 15:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a "player file" section as well as more information about his stint in the playoffs in his rookie year. Anything else you think I should add? Thanks. Chengwes 02:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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