User talk:Zoeperkoe/Archive 2

Online Ambassadors
I saw your recent contributions at DYK and I clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tell Bazmusian
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   12:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Akkadian Article
You mentioned
 * 1) The article pays undue attention to texts (especially the Sumerian King List). There is very little mentioning of archaeology.
 * 2) Many texts seem to be treated as if they are historical, even though mainstream science dismisses that idea.
 * 3) The text needs some major re-editing to correct and remove redundant wikilinks, and to improve coherence of argument and style.
 * 4) The article completely fails to mention important events like the Great Revolt against Naram-Sin.
 * 5) The collapse of the Akkadian Empire is linked with climate change as if that is an established fact. It is not.
 * 6) Large parts of the article are completely uncited.
 * 7) The lead does not concisely summarize the article contents.

Regarding these points. There is mention of Akkadian archaeology regarding Tell Leilan is mentioned. Unfortunately Akkad has never been found, and Akkadian archaeology is not as well documented as other periods (for example Ur III)

You mentioned mainstream archaeology dismissing texts... do you have any examples from the article. The apppropriate qualifiers seem to be in place.

The revolt against Naram Sin does require a mention and I will amend the article appropriiately.

The linkage between climate change and collapse is mentiioned as a possible factor, not as definitive.

I will have a try at ammending the lead to more appropriately cover article content.

Regards

John

Minor edits
You must have this enabled in your preferences as your edits, although not minor, are being marked as minor. Dougweller (talk) 06:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have minor edits as default because most are small redirect fixes or spelling errors, but I always forget to uncheck 'This is a minor edit' when I make a major one. Maybe I'll change my settings back to normal, if it causes confusion like that. Thanks for letting me know! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 15:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Damascus
Hi, see this.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:12, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Its awesome to see such quality work on articles about Syria. If only Iran and Oman etc had such contributors. Sorry to nominate it prematurely, don't want to rush you! I'd say though you have a few weeks though given the backlog! If you want any help copy editing or any more specific maps let me know! Best regards.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I made File:Tabqa Dam.png for your article. Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I use http://www.openstreetmap.org and http://www.maps-for-free.com. Then I use Microsoft Paint for the annotations/any graphic improvements. You can quite easily make your own maps of anywhere. CLick the coordinates in any article and click either OPen Street Map or Maps for Free in the external mapping links. Then cut an area of whatever scale and place you want. If you want to make a pin map from Open street map though you have to jot down the north south west and east coordinates after you click export so you can make a pin map. To make a map from Maps for Free you have to click the top icon for photograph and select the area you want by dragging the box by holding down the left hand mouse button. Note though that although it features towns on there when you save it it won't show as it is copyrighted from google. If you click layer column you can have the option of featuring roads/excluding certain topographical/vegetation features/adding boundaries etc. In your particularly map I think I should have not shown roads and rail... But Maps for Free is great for making your own maps for rivers/lakes in particular and occasionally mountains. As long as you copy my examples and use the proper licensing. when you upload to the commons. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Ooh yes middle eastern archaeology fascinates me too. I'm particularly keen on Ancient Egypt and the biblical world. Would like to have done more work on it, I did some work on Naqa and Tudor Parfitt a while back which I found very interesting. Unfortunately somebody has added loads of unsourced material to the Parfitt article so its barely recognisable anymore. But his theory of the Ark of the Covenant was fascinating. I loved the part which took him to Yemen, see Sena, Yemen. might I recommend creating some general articles like Archaeology in Syria etc?♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I've requested on German wikipedia they make a map of the Tigris-Euphrates. I've made Template:Location map Tigris-Euphrates for the time being which can be used. Its too dark and not really clear but its a start and definiately works I just tested Baghdad.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, since I saw Dr. Blofeld nominated the article for GA, I asked User:Diannaa (from the Wikipedia Guild of Copyeditors) to copyedit the article (also as part of her mentoring my copyediting), she left her notes here. Yazan (talk) 04:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

First of all if you upload a map can you enter the coordinates like I did for Aleppo and Damascus etc on the actual image page for Arbil so editors from other wikipedias will know the coordinates. Yes it always does an error thing when you create it. It really ought to be looked into. But if you save it again it clears, like it has now. I can#t see any problems with the map unless you wrote down the wrong coordinates when you made it. Did you crop the map or did you use the full area?Citadel of Arbil pin seems to be correct, maybe the coordinates of the other were wrong?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The pushpin map now works in mosque articles. See Umayyad Mosque. Can you introduce such maps to mosque articles? Was reading a book on the Akkads and that last night and yes Euphrates and Tigris are extremely important articles and should definiately be brought up to GA asap. Good luck!♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Rawda
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

El Kowm
Hi there. Thanks for all your help with the article on El Kowm. I've been working on it a bit tonight and hope I've straightened out your points of concern and improved this page loads. I'd be grateful if you could review it again when you get time. Thanks. Paul Bedson (talk) 05:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jemdet Nasr
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   08:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jemdet Nasr period
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   08:46, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Qal'at Ja'bar Turkish soil inside Syria
Qal'at Ja'bar (after the Ottoman rule in Syria) is considered as Turkish sovergnity since 1921. In agreement in Alepo in 1956 it was agreed that the site will be guared by a Turkish military detachment, which rotates on the 7th and 20th of each month (part of 20th Mechanised Brigade, 3rd Border Regiment, 2nd Border Battalion). Due to the construction of the Tabka damn in 1973 it was agreed between Turkey and Syria to move the tomb of Süleyman Bin Kaya Alp to vicinity of Karakozak village, the reason given was that the Qal'at Ja'bar will submerge under the waters of the Tabka damn. Since the castle is still standing (expected to go under water after a new Syrian damn project) there might be confusion if it still falls under Turkish sovergnity. Images of the site http://www.panoramio.com/photo/32641462 regards Hittit (talk) 20:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nominations
He Zoeperkoe, with your silly user name which is even sillier in Dutch, I just reviewed that double nomination on Zalabiye and Halabiye Dam--very nice work. Van harte, en bedankt voor je bijdragen! Word to the wise: stay away from Dr. Blofeld--he is an evil man. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Religion and mythology
Some important information was lost in 2010 deletions. Similar deletions were made in the Tigris article (on the grounds that it was "mostly unsourced and irrelevant for actual river"). Wikipedia contains many natural physical features, and in many cases, with associated religious, legendary or mythological status. This is an encyclopaedia, not a geographers' reference book. The Lesser Merlin (talk) 11:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stele of the Vultures
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Kalbum
Check out these links,



Actually I see it is the 4th register, not the second... Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 13:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Halabiye Dam
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Zalabiye
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Shemshara
There is a nice Shemshara related article now available online at http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/pubs/catalog/as/as16.html i.e. IM 62100: A Letter from Tell Shemshara. Jorgen Loessoe which you may wish to add to the Tell Shemshara article. I don't use citation templates and don't want to mess up your work. :-) Ploversegg (talk) 03:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tell al-Fakhar
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture of Damascus...
Try Citadel_of_Damascus_1881.jpg - I've uploaded it onto Commons for you. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:17, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The Aaiha Crusade
Hi Zoeperkoe, Just wanted to say thanks for the review and discussion on Iraq ed-Dubb recently. You made a good change there noticing the misrepresentation. The whole notion I raised there needs much better representation than Peltenberg and I have to do some more research about that. For more information about my "crusade", I'd invite you to look at the Aaiha hypothesis in my sandbox and also the full image library that remains under copyright problems and in an indecipherable mess here following my physical crusade to Rashaya/Aaiha. I would be fascinated on any thoughts on this from a peer such as yourself. I understand that tact is needed in such matters, so feel free to e-mail me at paul@inspiralled.net if you like. Kindest regards, Paul Bedson  ❉ talk ❉ 21:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mureybet
Thanks for the article Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

cleanup Ancient Mesopotamia template; should not be in articles to which it does not link
Where did this policy come from? You have removed this useful and relevant box from every article I created. Please explain this bizarre policy or undo the edits.BigEars42 (talk) 16:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it does not adequately clarify this issue. The Enuma Elish link is hardly relevant as there are separate info boxes for Mesopotamian mythology. While editing these articles, I was forever searching for links to Assyria, Kassites, various cities etc., until I found the Ancient Mesopotamia info box and carefully added it to each of the Kassite and Middle Assyrian articles I was preparing. The monarch info boxes only link to other monarchs. I would have thought its use in 27 different articles might have indicated its validity.BigEars42 (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The Kassite dynasty is poorly attested in contemporary inscriptions and artifacts, mainly because the principal archeological sites associated with them have had cursory attention (e.g. Dur-Kurigalzu). Most of what is known about them is through their interaction with others, such as the Hittites, Egyptians, Mitanni, Assyrians etc.


 * The “Template:Infobox monarch” doesn’t work well for this dynasty as virtually all the entries are unknown, and highly unlikely ever to be known. I experimented with a handful of these, when I was able to find an illustration to use in the template, but I’ve pretty much exhausted all the illustrations available with 6 of the kings. Without an illustration, the template really doesn’t work, for example Kadashman-Enlil II.


 * I don’t own these articles. I’m just the only person working on them at the moment. I would prefer there to be a consensus concerning the layout of the Mesopotamian monarchs articles than unilateral action be taken. The point regarding clutter from boxes is well taken – I have already surreptitiously removed several “WikiProject Ancient Near East” boxes as this seems moribund, at least concerning the middle Babylonian/Assyrian periods, or better kept in the discussion pages.


 * Perhaps the solution is to bastardize the “Template:Infobox monarch” box with content from the “Ancient Mesopotamia template”. Being able to freely navigate between the links on the top two-thirds of this box, above the “mythology” link was a real help when preparing these articles and made me think it would be useful navigation for a user. I think I’ve already added the appropriate categories at the bottom. Three of the articles you removed the “Ancient Mesopotamia template” box from, Ilī-ippašra‎ (a Kassite official), Ilī-padâ‎ (an Assyrian official) and Rabâ-ša-Marduk (a Babylonian physician), aren’t monarchs – what navigation should be used for them?BigEars42 (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bassetki statue
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:Languages
Grouping languages in the template is useful because it shows how they are related. I can answer to your question by asking the same question: why do you think the template ancient Mesopotamia is useful? Isn't because you want to use it to show how different articles are related? Isn't the temple a grouping of different articles that are somewhat related? Beside, the template is large and grouping makes navigation somewhat easier. I guess yourself can further group other links in that template like: Semitic languages, Indo-European, .... also on the geography... Wrong edits by others who are doing that because other editors have done similar things is not a reason for undoing my edit. Thanks. Xashaiar (talk) 20:31, 23 November 2011 (UTC)