User talk:Zora/2006archive7

Iranian Azerbaijan
Hi there,

I just wanted to let you know that user, khoikhoi (MOD) keeps including the very offensive term, "south azerbaijan" on the Iranian Azerbaijan page. We should not let him post this propoganda and false information. That term has no place in an encycolpedia article. It is not relevent to the content. What a few seperatists call that region should not be shown here. If we dont stop this, people will start including the "a#abian gulf" as an alternate name on the Persian gulf page.

KhodahafesDariush4444 04:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

my vents
Hi Zora,

you sure are very fast in reverting, looks like doing a good job monitoring all indian movie articles...

I myself didn't like the phrase 'long line of cast..' and was actually rephrasing it when i got an edit-conflict(first time in WP), and I surely don't mind the revert.

But, I still think the intro para can be improved a bit, currently it has short-sentences which might as well be turned into bullet points... and also the words 'old fas+hioned' used to refer Laxman Pandey needs rewording [imho]

thanx for being so thoughtful update my talk page with the reason for revert and for the delicate handling of the rejection, but i guess it wasn't reason enough to initiate a vent from me :)

keep up the good work.. and expect to see more of me and my English around...

Arbitration case
It will be an enormous disgrace to Wikipedia if the ArbCom applies any sanction against you for the unspeakable crime of objecting to some people's edits. The behavior of the editors on the other side who feel they are sinking and want to sink you with them is disgusting. I see they are provoking disputes, e.g. on Aisha, so as to dig up some more "edit-warring" of yours. I can't believe the ArbCom can get seduced by their cheap flattery and fake repentence. The only entertaining thing there is Zmmz's elevated prose: sounds like he is at a poetic contest. Keep doing your good work regardless. Pecher Talk 14:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Tamano/Kamano
Hi. Long-delayed reply to your kind answer to my query about whether or not tamano might be of Hawaiian origin. Your reply on my talk page was


 * The Hawaiian word for god is "akua". Personal protective spirits are "aumakua". "Tamano" would be a Kaua'i pronunciation of "kamano", which means "salmon". It's plausible that a Hawaiian word for salmon might have diffused, but it wouldn't have ended up meaning something entirely different, IMHO.

In the source (Kanaka by Tom Koppel) he uses it in what he thinks is a plural - tamanos - and it may have been considered such by his informants, who were third and fourth-generation Kanakas in the Southern Gulf Islands. Their usage was in reference to household or family spirits; a transposition of Hawaiian belief, certainly, but into the lexicon of the Chinook Jargon. The word, variously spelled/pronounced tamanass, tahmanous, tamanawaz and more, is Chinookan (old Chinook) in ultimate origin; I just wanted to check on any possible Hawaiian word that might be similar. I agree with you that the equivalent for "salmon" isn't a likely transference, especially for family spirits, but it's a truism in the Pacific Northwest that salmon ARE spiritual in nature and associated with the supernatural; the usual CJ word for salmon is samman or just pish (fish). Thanks again; I thought you might like the bit about salmon being important spirit-powers related to the coincidence with the Kaua'i word.Skookum1 23:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Rani
I have done the following:
 * 1) Semi protected the page, so he can't edit as an anon
 * 2) Posted a message on this and the IP's talk pages explaining him the situation and requesting him to follow up on the Talk:Rani Mukerji page
 * 3) Warned him that the reverts might lead him to get blocked.

Please review the situation after two days. If he fails to discuss and continues to indulge in hagiography, please ensure that he is blocked. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Anon
I'd usually feel too extended to do even three rv's, but considering the obvious sockpuppetry, I feel I can defend three. I don't know how to report - anon can have anon's way tonight. Both Aminz and I are in your timezone, so it's late for me, too, and I'm about to drop.Timothy Usher 11:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Lists of Islamic Jihads
Hey... want to take a look at that? It is a copy and paste from http://www.historyofjihad.org/. In any case... we have the first problem that it's an "end jihad" site... and it's not exactly academic. I am not sure whether or not this is a useful list. My first thought is that it may be... but, many things need to be explained. Who declared the jihad... I mean, it's interesting because I've discussed with Muqtedar Khan a bit Osama bin Laden calling jihad and how it's a rather interesting innovation to have an individual do that and not a Muslim state. In any case... it doesn't address the scope and is, all around... a very odd mix and at least need to be NPOVed. Just wanted to let you know. gren グレン 05:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way... it appears taht List of Islamic Jihads was listed as a copyvio and he later created lists... so it's not a redirect to a copyvio page. Well, if it gets off of copyvio you can still take a look. gren グレン 05:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Wired article amused me--especially that section. Or, to put it another way: Experts know their limitations. Idiots don't. Slightly oversimplifying maybe... but, it gets the point across :) My weekend has been pretty dull... just moving my sister in... try to enjoy the five hours of weekend you have that I've already lost. Those time zones... they always get me. gren グレン 06:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Rani Mukerji
Shez 15 19:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)Sorry I didn't know about writing at the bottom. Look my only purpose on wikipedia was to give more information and make indian cinema known here with many articles. i chose to work on rani mukerji's page was only because you guys didn't put much there and i thought whatever you wrote was not good enough. that is why i attempted to write. i told you before i'm not a professional. i respect you people. edit my writing if you may. don't revert my work. i know i need to make it more neutral but u can help me with that. i just collected all the useful information yesterday. i couldn't make everything perfect just in one day. it will take time. you can help. all i want to say is that you cannot cut the length of the page. whatever is on there is true. read the saathiya interview at the bottom where it says press coverage. the whole interview correstponds to the breakout role. i even watched the koffee with karan show where karan johar confirms that saathiya was a milestone in her career and from then onwards she became Yash Chopra's muse working in: hum tum, veer-zaara, bunty aur babli, saif n rani new film. although they first started with mujhse dosti karoge but the film was a flop. thats what i wrote in the breakout role. the film was a flop. so there u go. we have something negative against her. if you see all the award shows on tv, yash chopra and rani sit together all the time. although preity zinta is also another yash chopra film worker, rani is more partial to him. i'll try to neutralize the page. but it's tagged vandalism so im scared to touch it. you should help me. lastly, i wasnt trying to flatter u. simply encourage u to help me. i need u guys! thanks! shez グレン 12:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

John Abraham
Hello, Zora, someone put John Abraham's article up of deletion. While I doubt that it's really going to be deleted, could you say something in the discussion here? I think User:Wildflower686 went way over the top.--Plumcouch 17:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Rani's page dispute over
19:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC) Yeah the dispute is over and thanks for your advice. I just needed to tell you that the format is proper and feasible on the page now. Just make it a bit more neutral. Read her interview about Saathiya in the press coverage and you'll see that is the information i have put in her breakout role so you can make it more neutral but i think about the vivek oberoi part, it is true because he did get offered hum tum later but he didn't do it because rani mukerji was in the lead and yash chopra chose rani. this is trivia but i didn't put it on the page. i guess just the fact that vivek is the only actor rani has a dispute with is ok to put more negative side on rani's character as you said we don't want to praise her. About the veer-zaara, i just put lawyer because i thought it was a good way to show the variety of roles she is playing as in a doctor in saathiya, a college student in kuch kuch hota hai and a low-class citizen in yuva but if you want to put supporting role there it's okay. just make it alright. i asked plumcouch this too. you put your input while i work on john abraham's case. thanks! 12:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shez 15 (talk • contribs)

Qur'an templates created
Zora, look what I made (Tom made the first one):

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So we have four display options now. Waiting for feedback from Tom harrison on naming conventions, though, so don't use them yet. But when we have the green light, these should prove pretty useful. I've noticed a few wrong verses cited which would have been caught if they'd been linked.Timothy Usher 03:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry to butt in on your conversation but... is Yusuf Ali in the Public domain? Or... are those translations that USC uses? Beacuse... I think it'd be a lot better and a lot more non-partisan if we can have this work from Wikisource? It also doesn't force us to rely on an outside site (although USC is probably more stable than wiki). Do you (tim, zora, etc.) know the copyright circumstances? gren グレン 01:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No idea.Timothy Usher 01:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Jizya
Zora, might you be willing to drop in on Talk:Jizya? I am curious as to what you have to say about this, and about the interpretation of .Timothy Usher 04:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

List of bollywood movies
No accusations, Chori Chori is a known remake- http://www.upperstall.com/films/chorichori.html Also Pyaasa is incomplete without reference to the song lyrics by Sahir.

Haphar 15:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Islamic scripture template news
1) Template:Quran-usc has been altered in two respects:
 * a) it’s no longer required to input three digits - this is automated thanks to joturner.
 * b) the template no longer includes “Qur’an” in the bluelighted display. Editor may choose to write it or not (or “Sura”, or “verse”, etc.) according to context.
 * c) thus the “-num” variants are redundant and should not be used.

2) The “range display” problem is still not solved - more information coming soon.

3) Template:Bukhari-usc is operative, with three variables (volume, book, hadith), and automated tridigitation as per Quran-usc.

4) Template:Quran-usc-num, Template:Quran-usc-numrange and Template:Buhari are defunct and should be deleted.Timothy Usher 07:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

More Hadith Templates

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 * Template:Muslim -
 * Template:Muslim-usc -
 * Template:Bukhari -

I created all these templates. If you want a shorter version of the Bukhari template use Template:Bukhari-usc created by Timothy. If there are issues please feel free to fix them and remember to put a note on talk page thanks «₪Mÿš†íc₪» 09:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Unnecessary language in Qur'an intro
Hi Zora,

I wonder if you'd be willing to stop by this article and talk page and weigh in on this.Timothy Usher 02:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Prophet Muhammad
Prophet Muhammad is a PROPHET for every monotheistic religion. Just like Muslims consider Prophet Musa AS, Prophet Adam AS, Prophet Isa AS, Prophet Nuh AS, and Other PROPHETS. Only polytheistic don’t consider Prophet Muhammad a PROPHET.

But Muhammad is an Islamic figure, What if i got to the Buddhist page and say something about the man who started Buddhism. But i won’t do that, because i don't know anything about Buddhism. Therefore, I don't have the knowledge and the information, to say something about the person that created Buddhism. Since you are not a Muslims and since you don't believe in PROPEHTS, then you should not edit in the Prophet Muhammad’s page. I mean i don't know who does not consider Prophet Muhammad a PROPEHT. JEWS DO CHRISTIANS DO And MUSLIMS DO. Thank You Salman

No, they generally don't, Salman01.Timothy Usher 22:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (AS)
What are you talking about Zora. Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (AS) is also known as Al-Murtaza. Shi’as don’t create names for Imams, if I am not wrong the names of my imams were given by Prophet Muhammad (SAW). And as far as editing my messages is considered, it is my page and I can keep what I want and delete what I want. In the intro of Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib’s (AS), I just said that Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib is also known as Al-Murtaza, that’s not something Shi’as created, the names of Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (AS) were given by my Prophet Mohammed (SAW). Thank You

Jesus in Islam
Hey, Zora, come take a look at Jesus in Islam when you have the chance, and check the history. It seems from your comments re Aminz edits that you might support what I've done, and I've a feeling I might need some help at some point.

Thanks for defending Aminz to Netscott. Netscott has a right to be upset, as Aminz appears to have broken his deal, but he's made too much of it, even leaving me a message asking me not to associate with him. Me, I appreciate them both.Timothy Usher 02:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Aisha
I shall.Timothy Usher 03:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

No probs, Zora. Having read all the hadith vs sira stuff months ago, it just seemed a tad extreme to find the article citing the lowest suggested age as the one "most muslims" accepted. &#0151; JEREMY 09:13, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Veneration of Muhammad
First of all, THANK YOU so much for defending me.

I personally believe you are right in saying that the splitting of the moon is a folklore, but I believe less than 1 percentage of Muslims think that way (at least in Iran, I have seen only a couple of people rejecting that). I can even argue from Qur'an to at least add more doubts to its occurrence. I added the POV tag, because it is only my belief and yours; many Muslims believe in it. The title “Folklores” is by itself POV because it persuades the reader to a particular position (though it maybe a correct position according to our POV). Moreover, I think there were more problems with the article. I’ll discuss them on the talk page. Thx.--Aminz 06:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Style manual
Zora, this is much more important than most of what we deal with: Manual of Style (Islam-related articles). And, I'm being attacked on the talk page. Jeremy is talking about bringing the Muslim Guild down on me. All I want to do is establish these varying points of doctrine into a common historical framework, and into a common language. Some think it *very important* that we not understand one another, a mental Berlin wall, designed not to persuade others, but to prevent our own from susceptability to persuasion.Timothy Usher 12:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Islam Peer Review
I am requesting a peer review for the Islam article. If you have any suggestions, please let us know. Thank you very much. BhaiSaab 01:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hapa external links
Hey Zora, thanks for whacking that commercial link on the Hapa page...I wasn't sure if I should remove it, since it seemed like a cross between a grassroot project, and a sales pitch, but having someone else judge it too commercial helps clarify things for me.

On a side note, someone put up a link on Jasmine Trias, to an upcoming event for her...I removed it, because I figured otherwise her page could just turn into a big marketing banner for shows and albums, but I'd appreciate a second opinion. Thanks! --JereKrischel 03:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

NOT my favourite films.
Not adding my favourite films, Source of movies is Upperstall and Bollywhat lists, and the only 3 films that I have added that are in neither of the 2 sites are Ram Teri Ganga Maili. Kranti,Hero. ( Of which I do not like two but they were big hits). I have added some 30 films so far and there are 65 more in the list. So if the list seems heavy enough now I could stop. The 80's is a bit underweight as is the 30's and 40's. The films are diverse in terms of cast, producers, and directors.

Haphar 10:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Movies
I haven't seen Walk the Line, the new movie starring Joaquin Phoenix. I saw I Walk the Line, an older movie starring Gregory Peck using the song, "I Walk the Line", and a bunch of other Johnny Cash for the soundtrack. The story isn't about him though. It was an alright movie. I don't know about the other one&mdash;haven't seen it yet. gren グレン 14:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

A Question
Hi Zora,

Can you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_anti-Semitism#Historic_events_of_Muslim_persecution_of_Jews

Please read Maimonides's quote. Were Muslims really acting this evil?

I am going to add it to the criticism of Islam article.

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 * Thanks Zora the reply. Yes, I am well aware of persecution of Bahais in Iran. But I wasn't aware until I came to US. Zora, people are not aware of what is really going on. The radio and television in Iran is poisonous. This is all I can say. I think it is my responsibility to tell people about this. --Aminz 19:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

the "Zionist Conspiracy" on JP Mohammad cartoons
Zionist conspiracy? Introduced in such as way as to imply that WP believes that there is one? This is NUTS. Totally POV. I'm too tired and cranky to rewrite now, but this is not the kind of thing we do. Zora 10:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Zionist conspiracy is a widely held POV, and presented as such. Nobody except proponents of that view asks you to believe it. There is a difference between describing the existence of a widespread opinion, and postulating its veracity. I'm surprised that this distinction has to be pointed out at all. This section is well sourced (The Guardian, BBC, ynet, Al-Jazeera and AntiDefamationLeague) This knee-jerk reaction is just very, very odd. Azate 10:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Prophets of Islam
Recently there's been debate on some pages about whether to use the Arabic or not. I always liked it because it just made things more clear to me but when I looked in the inices of a few prominent books I realized they referred to it with the English name. How do you think it should be named? Do you know how modern scholarly papers write it? There does tend to be an Arabization of sorts in at least juristic language which probably made me think that it was good to do it for the names too... now I'm not sure. If you have any ideas do tell. gren グレン 03:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey checkout the Muwatta template
Template:Muwatta «₪Mÿš†íc₪» 13:08, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Islam Image change
Would appreciate your comments on the Template:Islam talk page regarding the image change. Thanks  « ₪ M ÿ š † í c ₪ »  (T) 13:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Your vandalism of Ajith
I see you are vandalising this article removing almost all links and info about major milestones in Ajith's career. Do you know anything about Kollywood at all? You have been reported for troll. Anwar saadat 16:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * (To Anwar saadat) This is a joke. It's not vandalism. It's a content dispute.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nobleeagle, another cleanup-person David Crawshaw, myself, Pa7 and Zora and I have all agreed on Talk:Ajith and on the talk of WP:INCINE that highly liberal usage of terms like "super-star", "mega-blockbuster" are POV terms which are not rock-soldily defined or quantifiable, and when we remove with a detailed sentence long edit summary, you revert with the spurious edit summary of "revert vandalism" or "cleaning up". Trolling does not apply either. We have been giving serious comments and questions, not joke comments to stir you up.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Noble Eagle's version is the last unanimously accepted version of this article. See . Read discussion before asking the questions again and again. What is POV to you is plain common knowledge in Kollywood. Those words are trade verdicts which carry specific meanings. If you have issues with a line or para, don't blank out the whole section! I am not going to repeat again and again. Anwar saadat 02:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Your vandalism of Vijay_%28actor%29
You have removed the links and whole paragraphs in this article without even a pretense of an explanation. When those links were collected, contributors explained the rationale. From your log, I see you have not contributed much other than revert others' contributions. That's why perhaps you don't understand the consequences of your vandalism. Reported. Anwar saadat 17:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Not original
The page itself does not have the place for links related to where the accusations are made. And I have been guilty of not YET going to the movie pages to add the information. (Laziness+ too much work these days).

One problem I have faced ( in some cases not all) is that the article on the film does not exist ( ie Chachi No 1). so I have to first create the stub and then put in the accusation part.So that adds to the work and time being the constraint, would get around to it, I ask for patience.

On that point let me segue, the term accusation of plagiarism is a bit heavy, at times the producers have aknowledged the "inspiration" (ie Chachi no 1). And hence i have avoided using that "term" could we use something more neutral ? ie Possible plagriarism, and where inspiration is aknowledged- inspired by ?

Haphar 18:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Your Rudeness
Hi Zora, You have forced me to do this. Did you know that I had been a great admirer of your knowledge and contributions to wikipedia. But since you had been continuously failing to assume good faith on me, and being rude on the Islam template talk page, I seriously doubt that I have the same opinion I had earlier about you. I will assume that the circumstances were such that you were in a bad mood and you replied in such a way (looking at your talk page which has become a battle ground). But I'd like to remind you that you have lost your civility completely mostly due to Obstinance. And please try not to bring out personal things and also dont tell users what they should be doing unless they are doing something wrong because by doing that you are undermining others knowledge and capability (because people do what they like to do not what you or me ask them to do!!). I have also noticed several times that you were insulting people's language skills, please keep in mind that not everyones first language is English, and you shouldn't insult people for that. I am very disappointed. « ₪ M ÿ š † í c ₪ » (T) 19:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop Editing Rani's Page
Look! Seriously, just stay away from Rani's page. Don't take yourself as the only professional on wikipedia. We have other editors too and they respect what i do. You can find some new hobby im sure. C'mon you can't be that geeky to bother anymore when Rani is not your main interest. We are trying to improve the page and then you cut out efforts after a week. Just stop it! We don't want any other disputes. Thanks a lot!

Stop acting smart!
cuz u r not! Have you even seen Veer-Zaara? Even though Preity is in the lead but Rani's name comes before her because she is a more senior actor. Yash Chopra would have given her the lead but the supporting role was tougher and he could imagine no actress better than rani who could perform it as stated in his interview on the veer-zaara dvd which i own. So stop it! I know more than you and I know better. Everyone in India knows Rani is a senior to Preity. Go watch Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna this time.


 * For both Zora and Shez. Preity is billed before Rani. We will replicate that in our article. If he did say that about Rani then cite it... don't try to give her higher billing. Personally, I have liked Rani better than Preity in the movies I've seen (in fact, I think I may dislike Preity) but that is all completely irrelevant to this. So, Shez and Zora, can we agree to not change the billing? If you want to cite critical acclaim fron Rani do it and if you can cite that interview do (give a proper citation of DVD version and provide the exact quote with context) Also, be more polite. This isn't a matter of smarts... it's a matter of representing notable viewpoints. gren グレン 07:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks Zora, I though I can vote. How can a group of people decide whether a person is "uncivil"? Even a couple of actions should not give the others the right to judge about the personality of some editor. The title should be "Aucuman edits uncivil". I am going to change the title from "Aucuman is uncivil" to "Aucuman edits uncivil". --Aminz 22:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiian history
Hi Zora, as somebody with knowledge of Hawaii, could you give any input on Articles for deletion/The Death of Ke-ao-ua Ke-kua-oka-lani? Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for saving that article! Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

non-profit
Does that mean I cannot put links to non-profits?

Your vandalism on Rajinikanth article
You have been cautioned not to start revert wars already. You have vandalised this article without bothering to discuss or give notice. You have remove whole lines, paragraphs, sections and even links and replaced with nonsense. What knowledghe of the Kollywood industry do you possess to select POV or NPOV in this matter? You will reported again to arbitration if you don't mend your ways. Anwar saadat 17:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad
"There's no nefarious Islamic scheme in the italicizing, really." Do you really think I'm so paranoid? Pecher Talk 20:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I see no need for italics except when denoting a foreign word. A topic sentence usually goes without italics in Wikipedia, just like elsewhere. BTW, do you have any material on al-Mawardi? I have dabbled with the article a little bit today. Pecher Talk 20:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ha, just noticed the comment above. Loks like you're one of the most unrepentant vandals on Wikipedia. Pecher Talk 20:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

al-Mawardi
Thanks for good advice; Encyclopaedia of Islam contains very few articles on jurists, so I didn't really bother to look, but it does have one on Mawardi. On another note, I have unstubbed Battle of Khaybar, and I will really appreciate it if you could look at it. Pecher Talk 20:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Do not leave profanities in my talk page
I call girls girls, like if you were a woman or girl i would call you the same! what's the problem with that. Discussion over, any further funny comments in my talk page will be reverted. Good luck :) --Darkred 20:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You're quite right, thanks. I'll go have that cuppa now ;-) Curious thing, I spent several years in the diplomatic service - difference there is everyone plays by the same set of rules.Bridesmill 22:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Imam Hussain AS's family section
Zora I don’t understand why you are providing an outside link for Bibi Shahrbanu when wikipedia has an article for her. And by the way I visited the link and there is nothing on that page about Bibi Shahrbanu. And because of that I am changing the family section and please do not make any changes until the matter has been discussed on the talk page. Thank You Salman

Bibi Shahrbanu VS a Myth
Zora if you can then please provide the name(s) and some written proof regarding this: Academics regard this story as a myth, intended to give a Persian heritage to the Shi'a Imams. As a Shi’a I can get a paper from the mosque (not only a Shi’a mosque) saying that Bibi Shahrbanu was not a myth. Bibi Shahrbanu is the grandmother of 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and our 12th Imam. And you can not just write it on wikipedia that a woman by that name did not exit and a woman by that name did not marry Hazrat Imam Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali ibn Abu Talib. That’s the reason I think you are calling my Bibi a myth. Zora when you will provide a link or the name of the book or the person that said that Bibi Shahrbanu was a myth, you can not write it in the article. Because I don’t think it is proper to call the daughter-in-law, wife, mother, and grandmother of my 12 Imam a myth. I will also recommend to you that, discuss it on the talk page maybe someone can also help you get the information that can prove that Bibi Shahrbanu I a myth, according to some historian. Thank You and Good Luck Salman

Rani Mukerji discussion
Hey, im trying to make sure that the Rani Mukerji page is discussed so everyone has a say. User:Shez 15 really wants the article to be longer but i did feel there was a little fancruft there. Anyhow please come to discuss this. We do not want to have a edit war, especially if we have got better things to do such as improve the Madhubala article. Also you are part of and founded the indian cinema project. Shez is also part of that project. Have your say on the discussion page within the Rani Mukerji article and maybe we can all reach a comprimise. Thanx. Pa7 14:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Aucaman
This arbitration case is now closed and the decision is published.

For the Arbitration Committee. --14:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Bibi Shahrbanu
What are you saying Zora, those three statements that you put on Bibi Shahrbanu’s page proves that she existed and was the wife of Hazrat Imam Hussain ibn Ali and the mother of Hazrat Imam Ali ibn Hussain. I don’t get it, if you place that on the page, how can you say that according to some historians Bibi Shahrbanu is a myth. A myth is something that is widely believed but false, and according to the statements that you put on Bibi Shahrbanu page, Bibi Shahrbanu did exit and she was the wife of my 3rd imam and the mother of my 4th imam. So I am going to delete the sentences again until you provide us with some real proof, someone that clearly says that Bibi Shahrbanu was a myth, she didn’t exit nor she was the wife of my 3rd imam or the mother of my 4th imam. Thank You

Okay, if Shahrbanu is not the mother of our 4th Imam then who is. According to Shi'a sources Bibi Shahrbanu is the wife of the 3rd Imam and the mother of the 4th Imam. If your historians believe that Bibi Shahrbanu is a myth and since she is the myth, then who is the real mother of our 4th Imam. I mean since they have the information about Bibi Shahrbany is not the mother of my 4th Imam, then they must also know the name of the mother of my 4th Imam. Thank You

Okay Zora. According to the stuff you posted on my talk page, Muhammad ibn Saad and Abd Allah ibn Muslim ibn Qutaybah the name of the mother of my 4th Imam was not Shahrbanu and she was not a Princess of Sasanian Persia, and they also said that the mother of Imam Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali was Guazala and/or Solafa. Well I am not trying to say that they are wrong, because they researched and wrote many things about my prophet Hazrat Muhammad SAW and Sahabas. Bibi Shahrbanu was also known as Harar, (The Princess of Sasanian Persia), and Bibi Shahrbanu was the daughter of Yazdgerd III (The Emperor of Sasanian Persia) and Manyanh (The Princess of Byzantium). Give me some more time to get you some more information and prove you and the readers that the mother of my 4th Imam was Bibi Shahrbanu ibn Yazdgerd III, and she was also known as Harar. Please visit this website too, if you have time (www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per03120.htm). Thank You Salman

Re:Aisha
You're obviously right. However, the mistake is not mine but one of the guy who put the initial tag on it. I was merely updating this tag to a newer version. Thanks for reporting it (I removed the tag from Aisha) -- Grafikm_fr   (AutoGRAF)  20:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

dot com domain names
Hey Zora, I removed those in response to Liberalpunt's complaints that they were allowed to have links, but the .com site he really likes to promote was removed as link spamming. So the question is, where do we draw the line for "External links" sections? I'm glad that people decided to build forums and websites to attract and discuss multi-racial issues, but isn't the number of those essentially infinite? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the slippery slope issue - I haven't really formed a good framework for thinking about it yet. --JereKrischel 15:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zora
How are you Zora? Lets be friends what do you say? « ₪ M ÿ š † í c ₪ » (T) 20:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Smiley Template
After some thought I decided to create this smiley template, as I thought most of the arguments in the talk pages are due to misinterpretaion of what is being said, hopefully these smileys will help us (at least me !!) communicate in a much more friendly manner. Hope you all will like it.

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Re Diplomatic
I and four other editors are still waiting for AE to apologize for his inarguably false charges against me, and the block which resulted from them.Timothy Usher 21:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Jesus (prophet of Islam)
Zora, I would really appreciate your weighing in on a talk page of this article, where we have a heated debate on the appropriate article title. Thanks, Pecher Talk 21:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Jewellery
Hmmm, if you've looked at Silver, Alu manugfacture etc, prob none of the metals are 'really' environmentally friendly. The good news is that in terms of silver & gold, a very, very large proportion is recycled, and was originally mined using fairly friendly methods (when it consists of picking up lums & bits of placer gold (well, ok, before they brought in the big dredgers). V. Interesting idea though, - but will have to do some reading. Which lead me to look of course (being a good wikipedean) at Indian jewelry EEEEK! Is there potentially a collab project there? (cool smiley idea above, btw) (& methinks it's time for an archive ) Bridesmill 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You should go for admin...
 BhaiSaab would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact BhaiSaab to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

That's unfortunate. I hope you will consider it in the future. BhaiSaab 11:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just saw this. Sure, I can understand you wouldn't want to run right now. You would have had my support, though! But you do lots of great things that your really don't need the mop for, let others wield it for you. :-)) Lukas (T. 12:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Veer-Zaara Issue
Do you have any idea how casting is credited. See the movie for yourself! Rani's name occurs before Preity Zinta. God! Even though, she was the lead, Rani was a senior actress to her and still is. Stop praising Preity. Casting names are credited in terms of the length of the role and seniority foremost. Go to the official website of veer-zaara. Rani Mukerji comes first. Even though, the movie is romantic and has many songs, the purpose of the movie was to present a female lawyer of Pakistan to be the first ever to take a case. It is about equality in a country where women are seen as objects. I am a Pakistani, speaking of which, i know about the politics of my country. The government spends less money on education and more on military. You should look that up for yourself. The message of the movie is to promote women's freedom of speech through some entertainment via Preity dancing around trees. Rani has a meatier role in the movie. Even in France, where the stars left to recently, Rani was given the platform to speak about veer-zaara, not preity zinta. My cousin lives in France and he attended the premiere. He told me what was said. Ask anyone. she was the soul of the movie. Regardless, i know you would keep reverting my edits. I just wished you understood things on a deeper level rather than what is superficial. Go on the official website. Check out the credits and it states Rani's name before Rani. The official website is not biased unlike you. shez15

Saif Ali Khan
Hey. I did not add any of the personal details. I just put it into sections, it is better to cut out all the personal info from the career section. I agree that we need to source these details, will do so in the future. Pa7 17:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it, your probably stressed about the whole Veer-Zaara thing or Shez. No worries. Pa7 17:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

== A Bad sentence ?? ==

Hi there, well I did not understand at all what you mean by that, you do not like this sentence because its poorly written and you want me to write it again nicely or you dont like this sentence because you dont agree with the meaning so can you kindly explain it, regards phippi46 23:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi once again well thanks alot for your comments, what I want it to say is just that it is in my openion true that Muslim do not belief that all the other Muslims who may have different beliefs and different Sects are Muslim at all, here in Germany I know several Muslim friends and some of them are really good in their Islamic knowledge has explained to me about this matter. Now, its true that English is not my first language, so it is quite possible that I may write something in poor english, I accept that fact, and I wellcome you or other writers to upgraded in professional language or up to the standars of Wikipedia itself. I have no objection at all on your edits and style, frankly I did not see much of it, but I belief you and hopefully in future get some tips from you as well. But I do have some doubts on this matter and if you can explain them to me, it will be highly apreciated. I do not know your knowledge on Subject, but if you can, then most welcome. regards phippi46 11:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Your view on articla Islamic view of Jesus (PBUH)
Hi I am trying to get the different openions on Prohpet Jesus and his role according to different belief, I mean in Islam and Christianity. I asked couple of editors about the artical and particalrly the so called physical return of Jeus (PBUH) as Orthodox Muslim and Christian belief, specially he was raised physically and alive to Heaven. Your openion will be a informative inclusion in my reseach on subject matter. regards phippi46 16:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

RE: Vandalism
@Zora: You said in my user talk "Any more vandalism and you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia." Please beware that this is a shared IP address (lousy AOL). And ATM this is me. Of course my IP will change next time I log on, but I just wanted to make you aware of this fact. Regards 172.192.188.147 04:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)