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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 10:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC).

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Watershed Protection Revision
Hello Zuejay! I was hoping that I could kindly ask you to look through the updates that I made to the Watershed Protection page. It was rather short initially and lacked a fair amount of information. Thus, I added some general information and didn't go into a great deal of depth due to time constraints. I am trying to improve myself as a communicator and feel that feedback from well established Wiki users would be quite valuable!

Thanks, Prevero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prevero (talk • contribs) 16:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Watershed Management
Your comment was very helpful! After thinking about the points that you had made, I decided that they were valid and the article did indeed read more like a Watershed Management article then it did a Watershed Protection article. Thus, I changed the title of the page to Watershed Management. I used the "move" feature to accomplish this task. I am a new user and am not entirely sure that this was the Wiki approved way of going about this. If it isn't, please let me know so it doesn't get deleted. Thanks again for your assistance!

Thanks Again! -Prevero —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prevero (talk • contribs) 20:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Glad you considered my thoughts! The "Move" tab is the correct way to carry out such an action (if there are many editors involved, it is a good idea to post a note for a couple days on the article talkpage; if it's a potentially contentious move, concensus should be established first) - just remember, unless it is a proper name, only the first letter of the first word is capitalized. Zue Jay (talk)  00:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Dumbledore vote
Hi. All the arguing over where we should discuss Dumbledore's sexual orientation is proving useless. We need to work out just who is in favour of what and a vote seems the only way to go about it. I'm asking for your opinion since you had a say in the general argument. Thank you. asyndeton 10:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Civil engineering
Thanks for the welcome and for agreeing to check and classify my articles. If I can find enough information I am hoping to eventually cover all (or almost all) of the past presidents so that more notable civil engineers can be included in this encyclopedia and (in the reasonably distant future) List of Presidents of the Institution of Civil Engineers can be put up at featured list candidates. Cheers, Dumelow 10:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

Miss Julie To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Dev920 know. Delivered on 12:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC).
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CU in NH
Just wondering... The "See Also" section of Civil unions in New Hampshire has a bunch of links that are duplicates of the ones in the right-hand infobox and/or the bottom infobox. Should those be deleted? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Duplicates? Sure, that was more a holding pattern until I could integrate the info. Zue Jay (talk)  14:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 21:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of We the People Act
An article that you have been involved in editing, We the People Act, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Burzmali (talk) 17:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Dixie Chick album count: 4 or 7 ?

 * Please review the article Dixie Chicks. Taking the Long Way is the band's seventh studio album, but their fourth with Natalie Maines acting as lead singer. ZueJay (talk) 03:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Werent the 1st 3 independant albums? So how do they count? 70.108.122.10 (talk) 03:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... So when I said "studio album" I was thinking non-live (i.e. not concert). I'm not sure what the best way to "count" it, or phrase it, would be, but I think it's important to communicate that this band, under this name, has released 7 albums - not just the four w/Maines. BTW, I know I said that, but I can't seem to remember where? Zue Jay (talk)  03:06, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Orne Jewett edit
Thank you for the way you cleaned up that Sarah Orne Jewett entry. Nice work and much appreciated. MarmadukePercy (talk) 17:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 18:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Danica
Hi. Not quite sure what the NPOV box on the controversy section is for. Could you leave a comment on the talk page to get the conversation rolling? Ta. 4u1e (talk) 12:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops - my mistake. I'll try RossF18. I guess you're right about the reasoning, although unfortunately many of the comments are (for once) actually attributed and ref'd. 4u1e (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (P.S. Does that mean pretty boys can't race either? ;-)) 4u1e (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

How?
When you sign your prsts with four tidles how do you get your name colorful like that?--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC), whose username is not colorful.

CE Dictionary: Turkish
In case you are at-all curious, the dictionary EL which you removed is in Turkish. Cheers! -- Bossi  ( talk • gallery • contrib ) 22:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Zue Jay (talk)  23:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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This newsletter was delivered by §hepBot around 16:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC). ShepBot (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Renee O'Connor
Please read WP:EDITWAR to ensure that we don't end up edit warring over the placement of an accent. There is no way that Renee is correctly spelled with an accent over the last 'e' since it is a French name, but I am willing to believe she may write her name that way. Neither the autographs (people sometimes misplace punctuation and other marks to flourish their signatures) or the website meet the burden of proof for reliable sources. Common sense indicates that it would be spelled the normal way, so unless you can furnish reliable sources indicating that she does use an accent over the last 'e' (and I'm not saying these sources don't exist, by the way), her name should remain spelled with the accent over the second e or none at all. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  23:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For the record, I also believe it's e. e. cummings; sometimes people choose to have their name violate normal language rules. When I googled Renee on the web and in news articles, most of the citations (including her official website) had no accent in her name. That may be English laziness in including accents, or it may be how she usually spells her name. I'm happy to resolve it through whatever channels, so long as it gets consensus. But I'd definitely support no accent for the time being, as at least in English it appears to constitute the majority of references to her. ~ Eliz 81 (C)  04:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

TfD
Thanks for your participation at Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_June_27. Have you considered the implication of the deletion of the templates for articles such as Raphael Mazzucco or Stewart Shining as well as Marisa Miller, Heidi Klum or Yamila Diaz.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also consider the implications for Joanne Gair.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Brandon Teena article pronouns
My opinion of the accuracy of the article and the problem with certain contribution styles does not have any direct connection to your response of my original statement. I apologize if you perceived it as such. Hurricane Floyd (talk) 03:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input!
I saw your comment about the Dixie Chicks genre, and it is an ever evolving issue, you are right. I'm trying to make some changes and sure could use your help on the band page(s) and individuals' pages, so please, drop down and feel free! Glad to see another person in the GLBT workgroup interested in them! Please, come, I may have snapped at User: Wasted Time R, but I was so worried about plagiarism, with no response after posting about it in February till now, after I wrote to his talk page. I don't bite, really! Let's get to know each other and fix these pages! Sincerely! --leahtwosaints (talk) 12:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (Laughing at myself, here..) I meant the LGBT workgroup... it is called GLBT at the University as a major where I attended school.  I was in a rush and made a few mistakes writing to you-- Good Gawd! For the most part, I'm not quite as illiterate and obstinate as I may have indicated.  I WILL say, yeah, I work a lot on the wikipedia, but have no real wiki experience other than contributing to pages begun by others for the most part, and need help with some direction...  how to go about things, I suppose.  I'm kinda winging it at the time. --leahtwosaints (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Category on NAMBLA
Just wanted to let you know I just undid the LGBT category on NAMBLA. Yes, I read the categories talk page as you directed me to do, I see a vote for including Nambla with the category of LGBT. However, WP:BLP supercedes consensus in this case. First, Nambla is a pedo group, not a gay, les, bi or tranny group. Second, it's pretty well known that Nambla is not affiliated to LGBT IRL by membership, association, etc... Also, pedo does not equal gay, les, bi or tranny, as most pedo's are straight. LGBT is for groups like Act UP!, Radical Faries (yes, that's a real group), known artists, like Yves St. Laurent, Freddy Mercury, Seigfried and Roy (yea, I know they won't admitt it, but it's pretty **** obvious)..etc... It's not for Nambla, Renee Guyuon society (sp?) ..etc.. Placing LGBT category on Nambla is an untrue statemnent, not referenced by anything, therefore it violates WP:V, as LGBT community as a whole denies any involvement, nor has as a member any such groups as NAMBLA, therefore placing NAMBLA in the same catageory with LGBT could be construed as a violation of WP:BLP (since we're talking about living people most of the time). Policy trumps consesus here. Please don't place that up again. Thanks (BTW: I'm not really as much of a male member as I might sound here! ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoshVorlon (talk) 07:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)