User talk:Zulfagar

Hasan ibn Ali‎ and the divorce
Zulfagar, the material you've been trying to remove is from a scholarly text. If you can provide sources refuting this from other scholarly texts, then you should include that information. However, this material pertains to the article and should not be removed--this act would appear to other editors as censorship. Elijahmeeks 22:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

-Original Message- From: hassanandhussain@gmail.com [mailto:hassanandhussain@gmail.com] Sent: None To: eanswers@najaf.org Subject: Question from husain bin nemat

Name  : husain bin nemat Email  : hassanandhussain@gmail.com Question  : There is a website that states imam Hasan(a) married 90 times therefore he had the nickname the "divorcer" and he did not want the imamat. Is this what the shia believe?

Imam Ali Foundation to me  show details  5:38 pm (5 hours ago)

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

That is not true.

Wassalamu Alaykum

The man that just said it is not true is the representative of GRAND AYATOLLAH SISTANI. The biggest marja in Iraq for the shias.


 * That's hardly an argument, as it does not address the historical sources and relies solely on fiat. Please, instead of sending emails to orthodoxists, go and read several books on your religion, written by respected historians.  If, at that point, you can enter into a rational discussion of historical issues with critical material, I will be happy to treat with you.  Until then, I cannot condone your actions, which are an attempt to remove information from the public sphere.  You have addressed this issue with politeness, and I'm sure you find this information very disturbing, but it appears to be well-researched and holds historic verifiability.  I did not add it to denigrate Hasan, nor to denigrate his family or the Shias, I only added it because I had read it in a scholarly work and thought it important to the lay understanding of Hasan ibn Ali.  Research this, and if it turns out that it is true, then ask yourself why your Imams have not told you about it, or have denied it when you've asked about it.  We must all ask more questions, not less.  Elijahmeeks 19:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I just want to add to the text "according to sunni's". my point is that shia's dont believe this. Shia scholars look at hadiths of both sunni and shia books and rule out any narrater that has even lied once. Shia scholars such as Sistani are talking through thorough research. It is part of the Islamic Studies. Imam Hasan(a) has nothing to hide. Even if he did marry alot of times, he married it is not a sin


 * But the scholars who wrote the book where I found this information were not Sunnis, they were Western scholars. I also made no claims that it was morally positive or negative to marry a lot.  Finally, according to the Wikipedia article, Sistani doesn't any longer seem to be in the condition to provide good scholarship, so perhaps you should check and see who is sending you emails in his name.  Elijahmeeks 04:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the book where I read this: http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Thousand-Years-Faith-Power/dp/0300094221 It's published by Yale University Press.  Pick up a copy and let me know what you think of the scholarship.  Elijahmeeks 04:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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