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 * ]. "Man at the Top" was played for the second and final time on the tour after premiering one month earlier at the Alpine Valley Music Theatre, before it reappeared

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High Hopes Tour
Thanks for pitching in on the Springsteen tour article and catching some of my mess-ups in the citations as I tried to clean it up. I don't even try to edit it using my iPad because it's too hard to get a clean edit that way, but even with my full-size keyboard and mouse I sometimes get lost in the citations. I've tried in the past to keep Springsteen tour-related articles free of fanzine-style trivia, but it's a losing effort because one editor in particular feels the need to add every minute detail about every appearance Springsteen makes (and he usually duplicates a lot of it in both the tour article and the biographical article). Stuff like the playing of "Free Nelson Mandela" or the tribute to Pete Seeger is worth mentioning, but I don't think an encyclopedia needs to mention that a particular song was dropped from the setlist for the first time in two years or that a cover song was played for the first time since 1975 (the lone exception would be back in 1984 when "Rosalita," which was the one sure thing you'd always hear, was dropped for the first time at the Tacoma show). I don't think most people coming to Wikipedia for information on a concert tour will benefit from that level of detail nor have any interest in it, and the die-hards who do enjoy that information already know where to find it on sites like Backstreets.com. Problem is, trying to keep up with editing out the excessive detail is just a losing effort. The editor in question also doesn't have a great grasp of punctuation and uses a lot of run-on sentences. Other people have tried to discuss the "excessive detail" matter with him on his talk page, but they've gotten nowhere. (He once cited a Greasy Lake page that required a password for access and then argued with me when I said it wasn't a reliable source.) So for what it's worth, I've been thinking I may just wait a day or two after each show, let him put in whatever he wants, then edit it down.

Incidentally, the funny thing is, I haven't seen anything at all from Springsteen or his management referring to the tour as the "High Hopes Tour." The only place I've seen that so far, aside from here, was at Greasy Lake when I went there this morning to get the language I used in saying they're not a reliable source. On the other hand, since I unfortunately don't have the money to fly to South Africa or Australia for the concerts, I have no idea what the tour merchandise might say. I thought about reverting the article move and putting it back at "Bruce Springsteen 2014 Tour," but ultimately I thought it was more trouble than it's worth and I felt that regardless of what the Springsteen organization might call the tour, the odds are everyone will call it the "High Hopes Tour" anyway just to distinguish it.

Anyway, nothing too important in the above comments, but I just wanted to say thanks for pitching in because it tells me I'm not the only person keeping an eye on this stuff. 1995hoo (talk) 16:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply on my talk page. I appreciate it because at times as I've been engaging in large-scale revisions I've found myself wondering if I'll come across as heavy-handed or as having it in for that one particular user. I know he's enthusiastic about the topic and thus probably means well such that it's just a case of not having a sense of what's important and what isn't. But I also know that when one person (in this case me) is constantly coming along a day later and changing things it can come across the wrong way. So I appreciate it that someone else is on board. Cheers! 1995hoo (talk) 17:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Regarding the Wrecking Ball Tour, I debated whether to leave in the 1978 intro to "Prove It All Night," but I deleted it because I thought the average reader would have no idea what it means and would never likely have heard it unless that person had attended a concert where it was played. Put differently, the only recordings documenting that at the moment are all bootlegs. At the most recent show I attended (Nationals Park on 2012-09-14), he opened the show with that version of "Prove It." I think I was the only person in my section or the surrounding ones who knew what was going on—it was apparent nobody else had heard it. I have to say it was a strange way to start the show for precisely that reason. That's why I ultimately took it out, but I could certainly see an argument for leaving it in if it's written so as to explain to the casual reader that Springsteen played it that way years ago, fans had long wished to hear it again, and out of the blue it was back. In other words, I guess we have to explain why that particular rendition is significant, whereas the other editor we've been discussing seems to assume the reader is familiar with the topic (I prefer to start from the opposite assumption). Frankly, I'm not sure how best to approach it, though I guess maybe looking back to the article about the 1978 tour might be a good starting point.


 * As I reflect on it, I think I deleted the mention of how "My City of Ruins" included the brief rap about "ghosts." When I have time I will try to add that back in. It's relevant because it recognized Danny Federici. The Big Man's death gets all the attention, but Federici was an important part of the band and omitting the "ghosts" thing might suggest Springsteen was overlooking him. I'll try to get around to it later today or tomorrow. 1995hoo (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Following up on this, I thought you might be interested in two comments, one that was left on my talk page this morning and my lengthy response to it. 1995hoo (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Noticed the U.S. tour dates were removed because you said they were rumors...the Nasville media is reporting on the show there and a photo was taken at the NC arena confirming the show there. Both had links provided. Springsteen hasn't announced them (the Nashville article stated an announcement was expected Monday or Tuesday on full tour dates) but both venues appear to be promoting the shows. Jason1978 (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Nashville date: http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2014/02/08/bruce-springsteen-and-the-e-street-band-to-play-bridgestone-arena-april-17
 * North Carolina date (photo taken at arena): http://s842.photobucket.com/user/Heustis1/media/BruceConcert_zps9d6cc3c7.jpg.html

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