Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive154

Community block for Supreme Cmdr
has been blocked five times for revert-warring on Derek Smart. The last block was for ten days, ending 25 November; today Supreme Cmdr is revert-warring on Talk:Derek Smart again. In addition, he seems to be unable to remain civil and avoid personal attacks as any random sample of his contributions will prove. --Ideogram 20:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that Supreme Cmdr is Derek Smart's screenname/forum name, and that this is likely him (if the contributions are pro-derek). Derek smart is also well known, perhaps even notorious in the press, for his incivility and personal attacks against people on his forums; wikipedia shouldn't be a stretch. &rArr;  SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  21:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I must support a community block for him. I blocked him about a month back for similar behavior and it seems he has no intention of changing. Cowman109 Talk 21:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A thought, what about a month or longer ban from related articles? (→ Netscott ) 21:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that seems to be the only page the user edits, so a community ban from only the page would have the same effect. Cowman109 Talk 21:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you were to do that, you'd have to ban him as well from articles about the games he created (Battlecruiser series, et al), because he'd likely take his aggression out there. That's assuming he even obeyed the ban: Smart isn't known for doing that. &rArr;   SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  21:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A good idea. I support banning him from all Derek Smart related articles. --InShaneee 21:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think such a ban would be a good faith gesture rather than an outright Wiki wide ban. I suspect that such an article based banning may not matter in the long run though. (→ Netscott ) 22:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. &rArr;   SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  00:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Little note, Derek Smart sues anyone and everyone who disagrees with him in any way. So if he gets blocked, and it really is him, he'll probably throw around some legal threats somewhere. Luigi30 (Ta&lambda;k) 13:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there doesn't seem to be any objection to the article ban. Would anyone like to inform him? I'm already quite involved in the situation so it would be best if I didn't myself, of course. Cowman109 Talk 05:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --InShaneee 05:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * To be fair, you should list specifically the articles from which he's banned. By my accounting, that's Derek Smart, Battlecruiser 3000AD, Universal Combat as well as any redirects (e.g. 3000AD, Universal Combat Special Edition). Also, whether it apply to the associated talk pages. This just to avoid the inevitable "Well, you weren't specific"... - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 22:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me see if I get this straight. I get banned based on a consensus by the very same people who got me banned those past times? Not to mention that this was done in a secretive manner and none of the prominent editors of the Derek Smart were even aware of it, let alone get a chance to offer their opinions? Yet another example of what is so very - very - wrong with Wiki. You folks on a power trip think that Wiki is where you can get to display your power over someone. And to those of you who stupidly keep saying that I'm Derek Smart, you should be so lucky to think that he even gives a damn about what a bunch of nobodys are writing on a Wiki. Supreme_Cmdr(talk) 18:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well thats Wiki for you. Its the virtual version of a Kangaroo court where if enough dissenters get together and gang up on someone, they can inevitably reach a consensus. I for one do NOT support this ban as it is highly dubious and unwarranted. WarHawkSP 22:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to note that Supreme_Cmdr has just done a revert over on the Derek Smart article. Ehheh 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You can do whatever you like, there is no consensus for the ban and I will simply not honor it. Here, let me quote from WP:BAN for those of you who think you can just get together and ban someone.


 * Users are banned as an end result of the dispute resolution process, in response to serious cases of user misconduct.


 * Supreme_Cmdr(talk) 23:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The choice was either a site-wide block or an article ban. The article ban was chosen as the less-restrictive of the two.  If you reject it, your forcing the choice or option A.
 * This is actually how it's done. ANI is hardly a secret board, it's the usual place for reporting disruptive editors. ---J.S  (T/C) 00:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Supreme Cmdr has been blocked for another 2 weeks for blatantly violating this article ban. I'm beginning to lose my patience with him, as it is clear he will not acknowledge that he is not to edit the articles relating to Derek Smart any further. Perhaps an indefinite block should be considered once more? Cowman109 Talk 02:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I respectively note, this 'consensus' was not established by a Request for Comment and in fact is very different from the legitimate consensus established by his last RfC. Addhoc 11:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * True, perhaps more time should be spent on this discussion, but I think it's clear there is already enough evidence that Supreme Cmdr won't stop this year-long edit warring, so even an indefinite block would be appropriate at this time. More people are welcome to comment, but so far the only exception to those agreeing is a user who is currently being looked at for being a potential meatpuppet of Supreme Cmdr. Cowman109 Talk 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This behavior fits 100% with the well documented behavior of Derek Smart on his own forums, and on the newsgroups. Do a google search for Derek Smart Flame War, it's all over. &rArr;  SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  00:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, it's a little fishy how at the same time, user WarHawkSP pops up, with edits only to Derek Smart, the user page acknowledges it's a sockpuppet, and it takes the side of Supreme_Cmdr..... &rArr;  SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  00:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking from a third party view, If he is the creator of said media, why block him? Couldn't he provide you with the most accurate information seeing as he's the one who made it and all?GrandMasterGalvatron 15:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He could, but he would also have to provide sources as we need verifiable information. Either way, his editing habits are unproductive and disruptive. Cowman109 Talk 23:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I add this subsection now because is exhibiting the same behavior as SupremeCmdr, however checkuser shows no link between the two users. Per the previous ArbCom ruling at Arbitration_policy/Past_decisionsFor the purpose of dispute resolution when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets. I would like third parties to examine the behavior of WarHawkSP, as in my opinion his behavior is exactly the same that got SupremeCmdr blocked. Note his block log is shorter as he lost his previous account, Warhawk, who was already blocked for being a suspected sockpuppet. So, I'd like to hear what other people think about the possibility of an article ban on User:WarHawkSP as they appear to be a single purpose account whose edits only pertain to Derek Smart. Cowman109 Talk 23:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Why do you ban me??
I would like forgiveness from the community, and, while I have done some bad things here, I hope the community can forgive me, I do not WANT' to be banned by the community, I'll be a good kid. I will not use sockpuppets, or be abusive, or anything else. This account is my sockpuppet, last-ever one at that! --Chadbryant 14:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm! And who should recompensate admins' hard work? Just use this new account if you want to become cooler. -- Szvest  [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]] Wiki me up ®  15:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Netsnipe already blocked this account as soon as it started making disruptive edits. – Chacor 15:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Especially this one. Tagging an article w/o discussing! It wasn't a good sign from someone wanting to be forgiven. -- Szvest  [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]] Wiki me up ®  15:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * nor was 1)falsely claiming he was unblocked, 2)disputing the most benign article he could possibly find, or 3)immediately nominating several RfA's. Patstuarttalk 19:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to appeal the block, log back on as Chadbryant, not Pifflinman, and bring the matter to your own talk page. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to get yourself unblocked, that contribution history is only pushing you 180 degrees in the wrong direction. Patstuarttalk 19:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Repeated insertion of copyrighted content
New user Docued, apparently acting as an employee of Documentary Educational Resources, has repeatedly copied and pasted text from DER pages into articles Jay Ruby, Robert Gardner, Dead Birds (1965 film), John Marshall (filmmaker). User has been warned that this likely constitutes copyright infringement and any case is not consistent with policy. In hopes that this is the correct space to report this, --Media anthro 18:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There may well be Username concerns here as well. Jkelly 18:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * DER holds the copyright to all information Media anthro continues to delete. This information is not only legitimate and accurate, but it is also information filmmakers, anthropologists, ethnographers, historians and many others will find great value in. All sources, including DER, have been cited according to Wikipedia policy. Is this not a site for sharing important factual information? It seems Media anthro has a problem with DER, or DER's filmmaker's, who I'd like to point out, are some of the world's most respected and important documentary filmmakers. Also, DOCUED, is DOCUMENTARY EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES abbreviated, not sure what Jkelly is alluding to here.  Docued 18:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've answered at User talk:Docued. Jkelly 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're willing to turn over the copyright information into the public sphere (i.e., you can no longer claim any of it as your own, even if someone uses it in their own material), then you can feel free to paste it here. But you'll also need to put a notice on your website that all information is now under the GFDL license. -Patstuarttalk 18:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, that is not true. GFDL allows the copyright owner to dual-license. The originator always keeps the copyright. What they add to WP is released under the GFDL and can be copied/changed. But they can also keep the copyright notice on the original page as well. That page does not have to announce that the material has been dual licensed elsewhere. But they do have to send an email to Wikimedia Foundation stating that they GFDL what they do add to WP. 32.97.110.142 18:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 32.97.110.142 is correct... we don't expect contributions to be released into the public domain. Regardless, we don't really want cut-and-pastes of promotional text however it is licensed.  Jkelly 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. -Patstuarttalk 19:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

After posting a GFDL notice on a DER page, User:Docued is reinserting the copied text again (into John Marshall (filmmaker), Dead Birds (1965 film), and Robert Gardner. I still feel these insertions are inappropriate for Wikipedia, but I will hold off on reverting them to see what other editors think. --Media anthro 20:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Without a specific GFDL release, and without specific proof that the person in question has the right to make the release, they are a copyvio, and the User should be blocked for serial copyright violations. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Umm, I think the fact that he has modified the external site to indicate GFDL licensing proves both things: that he has the right to release them on behalf of his org and that they are no longer copyvios (even though the notice is not quite correct). The question does remain whether we want the material or not. I'll leave that for someone else to decide. 32.97.110.142 23:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I wonder how many of these were added by DocuEd? I am removing the worst examples, includingone article which had over thirty separate links to DocuEd's website. Guy (Help!) 12:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On further review I think they should probably all go. As far as I can tell, every single one is an off-the-page advert - prices and shopping cart come even before the publisher's review. Guy (Help!) 12:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use!
Another for fair use. Article Devil Fruit have over 40 screenshots for illustrative purposes, all claiming fair use, yet nowhere are the images or the situations depicted being discussed themselves. This fails WP:FU, and also counterxamples apply:
 * An image of a Barry Bonds baseball card, to illustrate the article on Barry Bonds. A sports card image is a legitimate fair use if it is used only to illustrate the article (or an article section) whose topic is the card itself; see the Billy Ripken article.

Now, could someone else take a look? I've been reverted and the 40 or so screenshots have been reinserted. Maybe I was wrong, but if not, could someone explain User:Jreferee the fair use concept? -- Drini 18:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This seems to be another of those "I'm going to put a screenshot for every item in a list" cases, which are often a ridiculous amount of work to resolve. Jkelly 18:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's image-cruft at best, but more to the point, it is probably a FU problem. -Patstuarttalk 18:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Ed g2s has resolved a lot of these cases, and can probably point to precedent. Jkelly 19:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, that is too many iamges, they need to go (except for the lead). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved in to the issue as I?ve been a priori disqualified to do it ;) From my talk :
 * ''See your talk. I did it sinc ethey didn't fulfill Fair use criteria for their insertion. -- Drini 18:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ''I would disagree since I know otherwise, but I'm not going to argue otherwise because I think your going to be one of those Wikipedians you can't argue with. It doesn't matter, we've solved the problem. (...) Angel Emfrbl 19:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

User Stealthusa is uploading copyrighted images
Stealthusa has uploaded a host of copyrighted images. He has been warned about using these images on his talk page(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stealthusa), yet he has either decided to ignore these warnings or does not understand them; he has now removed the image warning and placed incorrect licensing tags on the images. Please note his contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stealthusa Elcda0 19:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've left a last warning. Jkelly 19:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And right after that, he uploaded another copyrighted image. I've blocked him for 24h with a stern warning to knock if off. The fact that, rather than acknowledging his confusion, he left an indignant note on your talk page indicates to me that we're not getting through to him. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

CJWright. Again.
Previous discussion. He's back as Theavatar3 (talk • contribs • [ logs ] • block user • [ block log ]). I tried to wait to see what he would do, and while he started out OK, his edits have once again turned strange. Among things, he's brought the block notice and page protection from his old usertalk and is flaunting his block history, has used questionable edit summaries , and has made various random odd edits. He's again created a couple odd articles, though seeking their deletion aftwards. All of that in addition to general reference desk sillyness. He was blocked before for trolling, and adding nonsense and misinformation to articles, and it looks like he may be continuing.

He was just blocked for 24 hours by Friday. Unfortunately he's learned he can switch his IP about to escape blocks. Is there anything that can or should be done? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indef-blocked as a blatant sockpuppet of an indef-blocked editor. | Mr. Darcy talk 01:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think if there's some way we can keep an eye out for any editor who edits their own userpage more than 35× per day, it should be really easy to spot him. Anchoress 01:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's more the ref desk edits that could raise suspicion. His editing style is fairly easy to make out once you spot him, though. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, with all the unnecessary and deceptive wikilinks. I actually noticed those, and I recognised them, but I was too wonked out on painkillers to make the connection lol. Anchoress 03:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit wars on Transnistria-related articles
A bunch of edit wars broke out today on Transnistria-related articles. The ones I noticed were on Tiraspol, Union of Moldavians in Transnistria, Renewal (Transnistria), Politics of Transnistria, Transnistrian referendum, 2006, War of Transnistria, Transnistria (World War II), and Varniţa, Anenii Noi. I was wondering if some other admins could look into this. I was thinking that blocking both users would be the best solution, but perhaps there are other options. Khoikhoi 00:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Both users have previously been blocked (by me) because of the constant edit wars between the two of them. Firsfron of Ronchester  00:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

have been blocked 72 hours each. Note that their block logs are identical, both having been previously blocked 24, then 48, hours for exactly the same behavior. — freak([ talk]) 06:03, Dec. 9, 2006 (UTC)
 * , and

Socks
(moved from WP:AN posted it on the wrong board) There have been several socks of turning up, two of which I have dealt with. Be on the look out for more, I have sprotected Fallout 2, Fallout (computer game) and Somebody Up There Likes Me (film) for a while, because they are the pages the socks are hitting. They have been continually reverting changes to WP:AIV (ie where they have been reported) and abusing popups. Viridae Talk 00:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, there appears to be two new socks of this user operating per their intimate knowledge of articles User:Mactabbed/User:Maior's socks have been editing on and sudden involvement . They are and . (→ Netscott ) 05:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For those wishing to familiarize themselves with who this individual is see Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Mactabbed. (→ Netscott ) 05:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what to make of User:Ambarawa putting indefblockeduser and vandalblock on his talk page. But whether he's a vandal or not, can someone please explain to him again why copy-and-paste moves are verboten? He moved Grammy Award to Grammy Awards again after I told him not to. Kimchi.sg 03:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I have fixed the move. Feel free to do an actual move if you feel that the plural is the better title. Viridae Talk 04:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not encounter the page until yesterday, but going by Talk:Grammy Award it appears that there's agreement to keep it singular. Kimchi.sg 04:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I left this comment on the user's talk page. --  tariq abjotu  04:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Image backlog..
I'm not sure this is the place to mention it, but there is a huge backlog here--Vercalos 04:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Images for deletion are normally left up for a period of five days before being processed, so those still have a couple more days. --  tariq abjotu  04:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Dragong4
I just blocked User:Dragong4 for 24 hours, after he was reported to AIV, for various unnecessary comments on the talk pages for North Korea and the Village Pump. You can see them in the difs of his recent contributions. This user has been blocked several times before, most notably a 6-month block in June which was lifted after a month. Should I have givenh im a longer block, or not blocked him at all for these comments? Thanks for your comments. Academic Challenger 06:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Mattisse redux
I'm sure many of you are familiar with the interesting history of, who has been criticized for mass tagging sprees, not the least of which is connected to a great number of articles created by and involving the Starwood Festival. Mattisse has been subject to many checkuser cases, some of which are documented here, which resulted in a block, here, and here, which resulted in a longer block (1 week) for inappropriate uses of sockpuppets.

Well, an RfC and a mediation case are still ongoing regarding Rosencomet and the Starwood Festival articles. It was recently brought to my attention that Mattisse approached another user involved in the disputes, complaining about an article that one of Mattisse's own confirmed socks created, apparently as a device to discredit other parties in the mediation and create an impression of impropriety. I feel this action warrants a longer block. Thoughts? --Ars Scriptor 16:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm advocating for Matisse, my only comment is that Matisse was asking Paul Pigman what should be done with the article and wasn't really complaining, just asking for advice. As it happens, I've prodded the article. Addhoc 18:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * However, Matisse should learn that 'It wasn't me, it was my granddaughter' only works as a sockpuppetry excuse once and is a poor one the first time. I hope she has learned better sense. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, same excuse given here. &mdash;Hanuman Das 21:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out, purely for the sake of information, that I've taken on the Starwood Festival mediation case. As far as I can see, Matisse has declined to involve herself in the mediation process, although if I've missed an alternate account of hers, please let me know. - Che  Nuevara  07:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Backlog on Suspected sock puppets
There are some 65 cases listed at WP:SSP, and it appears that no administrator has taken action on any of the cases since mid-November. That page does not at present seem to be an effective way of reporting problems with (alleged) sockpuppets, and yet it looks like the "official" method of dealing with sockpuppetry. Is there some other method users should be following? Should WP:SSP even exist, since it doesn't seem to get regular attention from administrators? --Akhilleus (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe regular users can do everything that needs to be done on that page. If the community discussion indicates a need for admin action, a request for action can be made on a page that admins pay attention to. --JWSchmidt 02:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
 * I would consider it, but what the heck could I possibly do? Patstuarttalk 07:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

and
Looking at their contribution history, they seem to be spamming multiple pages with references to Jade Esteban Estrada. Thoughts? Gzkn 03:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would try saying something to them first, and asking for the problem. It looks to me like the guys is trying to promote himself, or perhaps an overzealous fan. -Patstuarttalk 06:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Block User 70.187.141.135 Please
This IP number constantly vandal Marriage (conflict) page with this passage: '''HOMOSEXUALS HAVE A CIVIL RIGHT TO MARRY, NO ONE CAN SAY WHO WE CAN OR CANNOT MARRY! MARRIAGE ISN'T ALL ABOUT PROPREGATION, IT IS ABOUT LOVE BETWEEN TO PERSONS''' --Calupict! 05:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. This is normally a case to report to WP:AIV. However, you'll have to warn him first, which I'll do for you. -Patstuarttalk 06:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Sniffing the user creation log, finding offensive usernames
Hi there!

I've more offensive usernames to report:


 * SAPTAM HIMU - all caps username, possibly vandal account; perhaps a sock of:
 * MANOJSHETH (both accounts created 5 minutes apart)
 * Dipanjan majumdar2007 -- username too long
 * Chanakya666 -- possibly religously offensive username per '666', the Mark of the Beast per Christians.

If you feel I've got my arguments wrong, just don't block those users. Cheers!

Yuser31415 06:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As no kind of expert whatsoever, I have to disagree with dipanjan - it's long, but not all that long, and to my knowledge there's no stated limit. Besides, CSCWEM got away with it. --Kizor 07:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * None of these usernames appear to violate the username policy. SAPTAM HIMU has no contribs, and neither does MANOJSHETH, and therefore they can't be vandal accounts (there is also no evidence MANOJSHETH created the other account). The number "666" by itself does also does not violate the username policy. I'm not blocking any of the names - please assume good faith in the future. --Core<font color="#6669ff">desat  07:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What about admin ? Patstuarttalk 09:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm against blocking any of these too. The last 3 appear to be Indian names. Manoj is a popular Indian name, Sheth is a popular surname. Same for Dipanjan Majumdar. See Chanakya for the significance of the 3rd name. I wouldn't block anyone for just 666. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

complaint: Wikistalking
I weant to complain about 71.139.38.76 who has for some time been tracking my edits and blanking them. This mystery person seems to have no new materials to add, and seldom comments--for example major reverts are called "typo". Recent blanking = Timeline of United States diplomatic history Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (many, many blankings); Henry Morgenthau, Jr., etc. Rjensen 09:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I found one bad faith revert, which I have warned the IP about. The rest seem to be content disputes, with explanatory edit summaries, and I it may be best to discuss them on the talk pages of the articles, or with the IP directly via their talk page, rather than get dragged in to reverting one another.  I wouldn't call it stalking, as the IP has reverted other people on various articles, not just yourself.  Proto ::  ►  11:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:151.188.0.229
This user has a history of mischief. They were blocked for the month of November. They're back now, and vandalizing again. They've only received a couple of warnings since returning, but they've vandalized at least four articles over two days. Not sure what the policy is on warnings for a repeat anonymous vandal, but it seems at the very least like something to keep an eye on. Waitak 15:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Blocked again. Refer to WP:AIV next time for prompt actions. -- <font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">Szvest  [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]] <font style="background: orange">Wiki me up ®  16:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Will do, thanks. Waitak 00:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is not a user, it's an IP address. Unless you know for sure that it's the same person, whatever happened in november or before is irrelevant. Zocky | picture popups 14:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Departure of User:MONGO
See here. Newyorkbrad 17:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A loss for WP. A pox on the houses of those who drove him away. Crockspot 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is indeed a black day for Wikipedia. —Doug Bell talk 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope a little time off will allow him to reconsider; if we let the trolls win, Wikipedia is finished. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 18:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is exactly why we cannot be soft on trolling, it drives away legitimate editors. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is an important point. Jkelly 18:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Trolling is bad. (and see my comments below) Patstuarttalk 19:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments by Aude on the "truthers"
This would mean more workload on others to monitor the 9/11 pages. I didn't come to Wikipedia to work on those pages, but won't tolerate undue weight amount of "nonsense" fringe theories. There are so many 9/11 pages here, which are attractive to the "truth" movement, who are extremely persistent and determined to spread the truth with their non-reliable sources. They like to use Wikipedia as a tool in their truth spreading. And, I've been on the Loose Change forums and do observe them often consulting Wikipedia in their "research". If you go on their forums and at all question anything they say or profess expertise, such as in engineering or as a pilot, they BAN you from their forum. I've been banned, but can signup again for another account. Not only do they go after folks like MONGO who insist on reliable sources, WP:V, and enforcement of other policies, but lately I've seen the "truthers" even go after 9/11 victims and their families. This shows how despicable their tactics are.

Examples of the tactics used by the "truthers":


 * Charles Burlingame, the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77 is a popular target for "truthers"... His sister, Debra, remarked in the USA Today about the Loose Change video, "The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred...They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world. They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars." His daughter, Wendy Burlingame came on the Loose Change forum and remarked "Reading the conspiracy theories regarding my father have made me and my family sick. We realize this is being done by sick individuals who need to deal with 9-11 in a different way than others. It does not make it any easier when you read your father was involved with the terrorists when you Google his name. I hope the people who write these things can sleep well at night."   BTW, she died earlier this week in a suspicious fire in her apartment.


 * They are also going after Lloyd England, the taxi driver who's cab was damaged by a lightpole when AA77 flew over the highway and crashed. See photo, Image:Pentagon_taxi_hit_by_lightpole.jpg. (  Dylan Avery (director of Loose Change), his "co-producers" Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe, their friend Russell Pickering, and their other buddies on the "Pentagon Elite Research Team" came to Washington at the end of August.  They found out where Mr. England lives and came by unannounced with a video camera.  They tricked the poor old 70 year-old man into talking with them.  They are probably going to cherry pick bits from the "interview" and use it in the final cut of Loose Change.  They have already been showing the video and amusing themselves with it.  This google video is sick   Here's one of their blogs, which talks about their "interviews" with other Pentagon witnesses.   (it's a myspace link, so okay to click on it w/o fear of being tracked)  Who knows, some of this could be lies, but some of it is real and disgusting.


 * The truthers ("Killtown" in particular) have also gone after Val McClatchey, who took this photograph near Shanksville, moments after the plane crashed there. Here's one of Killtown's blogs   (it's a blogspot link, so okay to click it)  Killtown and others accuse her of having faked the photograph.  Here's how Killtown has harrassed Ms. McClatchey, as reported in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette   "The real estate agent has recently become a target of bloggers calling themselves "9-11 researchers," They have visited Mrs. McClatchey's office and called her at home, posting satellite maps of her property and accusing her of digitally altering her photo to insert a fake smoke plume. The bloggers have picked apart her story, highlighting inconsistencies in different news accounts and questioning her motives. Others have described her as "surly," "hostile," "irate" and "defensive." People have called her at home, accusing her of being anti-American and of "holding the photo hostage." On a simple Google search, Mrs. McClatchey's name now pops up in the same sentence as "total fraud." ... This Killtown, whoever he may be, I find it very disturbing that this is a 16-page attack on me personally," said Mrs. McClatchey, who opened her real estate company a year and a half ago. "My business is named. That hurts me personally. It's pretty disturbing. My whole life is out there, a map to where I live, a map to my office. It's a safety issue for me. There's some crazy people out there."


 * And the NY911Truthers show up every Saturday at Ground Zero to "protest" and harrass tourists and passerbys. I would care less if they showed up outside the White House or some place else.  But, find this highly distasteful.

It's one thing for some kids in their parents basement to do all this from behind a computer screen, but when they show up at GZ and go out harrassing victims and their families, it can't be tolerated. I know that some of the truthers that edit on Wikipedia are some of the hardcore folks. Banned user User:TruthSeeker1234 is one of them.

I have done what I can to keep those articles in check with Wikipedia policies of WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:V, etc. MONGO has been invaluable, and with his experience writing featured articles, he knows the policies well and what it takes to maintain a reputable, good article. The September 11, 2001 attacks article is always among the most viewed articles. If that article descends into a propaganda, conspiracy POV pushing article for the "truth" movement, it would on the whole make Wikipedia look quite bad. I doubt they will ever succeed, as there is no consensus for what they are trying to do. In the event they did, I would likely give up on Wikipedia myself, viewing it as a waste of my time. There would be no use working on articles relating to my main area of expertise, including criminology (sorely lacking on Wikipedia). It's my hope that Wikipedia has the mechanisms in place to support enforcement of Wikipedia policies that are essential to keeping 9/11 articles reputable, yet alone create a hospitable environment where we can work to further improve the quality of them.

It's not ordinary trolling we are dealing with, but rather some real hardcore folks. --Aude (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry; I'm not up on this whole thing. Can somebody explain to me exactly why MONGO quit? Which trolls do we allow too much? -Patstuarttalk 19:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for MONGO, but he's been caught up in both the Encyclopedia Dramatica situation (including extensive attempts to "out" his real-life identity) as well as attacks from editors on the September 11 and related articles. It really has been unrelenting. A recent proposal in an ArbCom case to desysop him can't have done much for his morale either (note that this is not a criticism of the arbitrator; I opposed the proposal, but the arbs have jobs to do, too). Newyorkbrad 20:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware if User:Seabhcan is involved with ED. I don't think so, but could be wrong.  But, he's been pushing the "truth".  I have Seabhcan over on the Loose Change forum, as heavily involved.  If that's what he chooses to do off-wiki, that's okay.  We can have a place for 9/11 conspiracy theories, and present them for what they are.  But, I don't accept folks pushing the "truth" here against WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:V, etc.  Furthermore, his mannerisms have been rather uncivil towards MONGO, User:Morton devonshire and others.  It's a combination of this and the ED situation that tests our patience.  Wikipedia needs to be firm in enforcing such policies.  MONGO was trying to do so, sometimes taking actions into his own hands, thinking it often takes too long for other admins to respond to ANI posts.  Though, MONGO does make note of his actions on ANI for review by other admins.  Other admins concurred with the block of Cplot, for example. With the User:Cplot situation, the trolling has been relentless and his socks need to be blocked on sight. This situation is frustrating me, as well as MONGO. --Aude (talk) 22:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't believe Seabhcan has anything to do with ED. Of course I speak from my own point of view, but I see the arbitration as mostly about Seabhcan's incivility. His opinions about who did 9/11 are peripheral, in my opinion. What he does off site is his own business, as Aude said above. A point I would add to Aude's about 9/11 "Truth" is the profit motive. Many of the conspiracist sites sell dvds and books, and solicit contributions. Granted we can't very well cite an article about a conspiracy theory without linking to the promoter's website, but these links and the google page rank that comes with them are an important part of some business models. I think that is a factor in some of the zeal to spread the "Truth." Tom Harrison Talk 02:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's really sad to see Mongo go, especially since this involves caving in to the demands of the cplot sockpuppets. Also, obviously the ED trolls were relentless in outing Mongo's identity. Some evidence suggests Mongo himself may have even been involved with the ED initiatives. And how can anyone cope with another outing the most intimate details of one's identity, when the one outing oneself is oneself. It's truly invasive. The Cplot sockpuppets were relentless too. They actually demanded Mongo and other admins try to familiarize themselves with Wikipedia policies. Even worse these trollish sockpuppets expected Mongo to abide by those policies on certain occasions. It defies belief. The worst part is that now other admins will need to take up the slack: to try to enforce the opposite of WP policies to ensure that the articles related to 9/11 remain strictly Whitehouse propaganda. --AirlineToHeaven 03:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User warned about this behaviour and similar uncivil comments/personal attacks elsewhere. If it continues please nuke at will. --CBD 11:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just cplot again, and could be banned and reverted, but I though leaving this up as an illustration would be more useful (this is, in fact, mild for cplot). Thatcher131 16:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Tag vandalism by User:Irpen
has repeatedly removed tags regarding images which might not meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. In June 2006 User:Irpen was subject to a RfC regarding the improper removal of notice tags (Requests for comment/Irpen), however he has continued doing with this behaviour: diff 1 diff 3 (there are more diffs, but since the images have been deleted they are not visible:       ).

Regarding the latest incident, User:Irpen was cautioned by an administrator User:Robth who wrote: "This was not the proper way to handle that situation, and you know it. If you dispute the replaceability, add the disputed tag on the page and explain why (I have done this for the image in question). Please don't do this again." on User:Irpen's talk page (diff). User:Irpen has demonstrated a lack of willingness to observe Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and work together with others, for instance the heading written by User:Robth on User talk:Irpen was changed from "Please don't do this" to "unexplained RFU tag" (diff).

Usually vandalism results in blocks, with the length being increased each time. --Oden 21:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The issue at hand is illustrated by the thread above. Unlike other users, the user above uses the image tag as a harassment tool. While overall image patrolling is a useful practice, user:Oden simply picks on users who had unrelated disagreements with him and digs through those user's entire upload history in order to harass them with tagging the images. The user also refuses to explain the tags at the talk page, a simple courtesy he was asked multiple times. I welcome more attention to the issue. --Irpen 21:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There does indeed seem to be some strange behaviour going on here perhaps an admin needs to investigate this seriously Giano 21:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The same user who started that thread also started User_talk:Oden. --Oden 22:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately we see another falsehood here. Those threads where started by different people. --Irpen 23:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Both threads were started by User:Ghirlandajo. Am I missing something? – Quadell (talk) (random) 13:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that both sides should calm down. While Oden's selective approach to tagging is not appropriate and inevitably leads to accusations of a personal vendetta, he should be encouraged to continue his RfU activities in an impartial way, like Carnildo and his OrphanBot do, giving the uploader time to find a free replacement and avoiding large-scale massacres of images. I urge Quadell, Irpen, and other people involved in the dispute to cool off and to stop accusing each other of vandalism. Your increasing hostility and aggression are not going to defuse the situation. Best, Ghirla  <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  14:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If this section is a suggestion that Irpen should be blocked, I strongly disagree. He has not continued removing tags since I asked him to stop, and blocking good contributors is a last resort. I do not think that the actions of any party in this disagreement require administrative intervention. --RobthTalk 22:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am concerned that User:Irpen seems to demonstrate an attitude that he is above Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. This thread should serve as a last warning, a user who has flouted the rules for five months should not be allowed to continue.


 * I have seen good contributions in this user's logs (which I have reviewed), however his interpersonal skills leave much to be desired. He also seems to harbour the view that any review of his contributions constitutes stalking, while any disagreement is a form of trolling. On November 30, 2006 User:Quadell wrote "This is what I've seen of Irpen. Insults, edit wars, and hostility" (diff). It pretty much sums it up so far. --Oden 22:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Quadell's statement is an accurate assessment of Irpen's behavior with regard to the recent fair use debates, but I do not think that blocking would be a productive action at this point. --RobthTalk 23:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless WP:3RR or other policy has been violated, all parties should try to discuss the issues on relevant talk pages. Edit warring in the articles is annoying, but 'it takes two to tango', and as long as it's under 3RR it's not very serious. I tentativly support the non-delete tag till the consensus is reached, simply since undeleting image is more difficult then deleting it :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Piotrus here. If there is an ongoing discussion in search of concensus, the tag stays. If the tagger refuses to engage into discussion, tags an image, writes nothing at talk and leaves, this is not a discussion when the tag is stamped on top of the good-faith rationale. I asked the taggers to start discussing things many times to no avail.

Contrary to Oden's ascertion, I simply request my opponent to follow the policies, guidelines and common sense, not the other way around. His threats above are unimpressive as well as another undug edit not related to the matter. There is an abundance of opinions by many editors of Wikipedia about the attitudes of user Oden. I am not bringing them all here as we are discussing a narrow issue at hand. Questioning my ability to discuss the matter in good-faith disagreement would be found surprising by most of my opponents in many content disagreements.

I would like to thank Robth for the partial disagreeing regarding the suggested by Oden course of action. However, contrary to an opinion by Robth, I think the matters does need an investigation and an administrative intervention. Several users use tagging images as the way to harass editors with who they disagreed on unrelated matters. One thing is an overall image patrol, like the one done by the Orphanbot or users who go over images randomply, topically, alphabetically, etc. Quite another thing is picking on the contributors based on unrelated matters and dig through the months/years of their work looking for images to be tagged among those uploaded by these specific contributors. There is no other motive in this but harassment. WP:Harassment addresses the issue in detail. The evidence of aggressive and abusive stalking is abundant and this repugnant practice aimed needs continues. For evidence, see, User_talk:Oden, Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali and Requests_for_comment/Chowbok.

The issue was raised by many editors, especially in connection to who right above brags about "reviewing" my entire contributions logs. I find being "reviewed" especially amusing. --Irpen 23:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that blocking User:Irpen will improve his behaviour either. However, I do believe that there is a need to press home the importance of not vandalising good-faith tags. It is serious when a editor places a tag in good faith, and User:Irpen removes it in apparent bad faith (childish behaviour that has been tolerated for too long). There is a need for a strong condemnation of this.


 * I also agree that some fair use images are arguably harder than others to replace, which is why a editor has the possibility of disputing the tag, instead of removing it. The involvement of an admin who decides whether or not to delete ensures that at least three editors have been involved in the discussion. Removing the tag disrupts this process, and disrupts Wikipedia. --Oden 23:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, he did it again: diff. Apparently there's no need for WP:V either.--Oden 00:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What? The article has 5 refs, which is quite OK for a starter article. Unless you want to add this template on all article without inline citations, this looks like WP:POINT to me. -- Grafikm  <sup style="color:red;">(AutoGRAF)  00:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think creating such a kind of entry while having a WP:ANI investigation going on borderlines on trolling and, worse yet, on stalking. Indeed, there is no other word to describe an editor picking another editor and stalking his contributions for many months or years exclusively with the aim to tag more and more images of his. And again, putting a no-source template (which incidentally goes to bottom and not to top) is clear-cut WP:POINT. I really hope that an uninvolved admin will intervene and sort this out. People like User:Truthseeker_85.5 got 1 month off for even less than that. Fair image patrol is one thing, deliberate trolling and disruption from Oden is another. -- Grafikm  <sup style="color:red;">(AutoGRAF)  00:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As one of the other Wikipedians recently most vocal about what has been described as a "jihad" against Fair Use images, and especially against the persons that have spoken out against the current enforcement practices removing nearly all Fair Use images of living persons, I have little doubt that Irpen has been targeted, as have I, for scrutiny of every image I've ever loaded to Wikipedia. While in the case of Oden, we were able to work through a FUR tagging exercise of dozens of images, seemingly reserved especially for those of of that publicly disagree with said policy enforcement, and in my case Oden in fact made a number of helpful suggestions, unlike most of his contemporaries, other users who share the same general viewpoints about "free" images attacked dozens of other images I've uploaded, and so far I've lost 32 of 35 images challenged.  It's very, very clear that those of use who dispute the "jihad" are targeted for extended periods and forced to jump through hoops few others are, which a number of people have indicated is a violation of Wikipedia policy in and of itself.  As long as the present enforcement policies remain in place, I will not load images of any kind to Wikipedia, and have asked others who have been attacked to consider the same.  There is absolutely no doubt we are being targeted and stalked in these instances.  Tvccs 04:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

All of the comments above are good arguments for why there is no need to notify the uploader.

Images which can be fixed should be fixed without involving the uploader (I usually wait for the uploader to act before fixing missing rationales and try to make sure that orphanded fair use images haven't been orphaned by mistake).

If the image is missing a source then it might be necessary to contact the uploader. If the image is replaceable and the deleting admin comes to the same conclusion then the image should be deleted, and involving the uploader in such a case only causes alot of unnecessary aggrevation. --Oden 14:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Vlh repeatedly inserting WP:OR
Someone please either severely warn or block User:Vlh about his repeated insertion of original research into Triple Crown Champion, Grand Slam Champion, Randy Orton, Adam Copeland and various other articles for over a month now. I have went through test4 with him a couple of times now and he is only editing about every 3-4 days, so it's pretty slow-paced. I'm tired of warning this user with nothing happening to him for blatant abuse of policy. semper fi — Moe  22:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking through his contribs, I see plenty of legitimate edits. Can you provide diffs that show vandalism or OR insertion? | Mr. Darcy talk 22:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I hardly call removing protection tags, references tags and inserting WP:OR about the WWE United States Championship and changing legit facts constructive:         And from reading his talk page, he has been trying to insert this since June and has been violating WP:OR every since. semper fi —  Moe  22:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't remotely look like OR to me. It's either a tiny edit war, or it's vandalism, but it's not OR. The only warnings issued to him since August came from you, which makes this less compelling to me. Can you explain to us non-wrestling fans what exactly the issue is? Those diffs don't make it clear to me. | Mr. Darcy talk 22:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forgot not everyone watches wrestling and would understand this :) The issue is of the WWE United States Championship being a part of the requirements to the Triple Crown Championship and Grand Slam Championship. WWE doesn't consider, or hasn't confirmed that the United States Championship is in fact a requirement for the Triple Crown or Grand Slam to occur. I tried e-mailing WWE, but I got no response. This issue was furthur stimulated when a wrestler made a rouge comment on WWE television about how he had completed the "grand slam of professional wrestling". Despite searching long and hard on the internet to provide sources for this statement, nothing pulled up as a reliable source. The original research is inserted into a table format in the diffs, stating the United States Championship is part of the Triple Crown and Grand Slam championship status', but that's WP:OR because there have been no reliable sources for this claim outside that one comment on television one night, which can;t be taken seriously because of professional wrestling kayfabe. Vlh has been inserting this claim of the United States Championship since June, and has been reverted ever since, and no, his other messages on his talk page confirm that I wasn't the only one, and no I wasn't the only one reverting this, as other editors have reverted him too. semper fi — Moe  23:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Woud someone for the love of god stop this editor please? He continues to revert without providing sources and this is really testing my patience, so someone would someone please? semper fi — Moe  23:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the details. I have issued a clear warning to this user with a request (or perhaps a demand) for sourcing info. If he continues to revert without providing a source, please post it here again and I or another admin will take appropriate action. | Mr. Darcy talk 23:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you semper fi — Moe  00:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Vlh now blocked 48h for vandalizing two more articles after my question/warning. | Mr. Darcy talk 15:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism/reverting on a page
The page Fly like a Raven is constantly being reverted to include rumored and unconfirmed information on a forthcoming album. The user who continues to do this is unregistered, and only an IP address appears in the history. I have reverted the page again, but please keep an eye on it, because I've reverted it several times and it still continues to be vandalized. Rhythmnation2004 02:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The users 129.44.234.53 and 71.240.253.89 has now broken the three-revert policy by once again replacing the rumored information. I have reverted the article, once again, to remain neutral. I strongly request that an administrator step in and take care of this nonsense. The user 129.44.234.53 has also repeatedly reverted other pages in attempt to restore vandalism. This users IP should be blocked indefinetely. Rhythmnation2004 18:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

IP range vandalism
OK, this I'm not too comfortable handling on my own yet. It looks like we have one vandal operating from the 193.113.200.* range whose IP address is changing every time s/he edits. (See this page history; User:193.113.200.231 was just blocked for vandalism as well.) What's the appropriate course of action? A very short-term block on the range? Just hold on and see if it stops? Thanks. | Mr. Darcy talk 16:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Pkulkarni is using sockpuppets to evade a ban
who has been handed a one-month ban for sock-puppetry continues to use strawman sockpuppets &. Given that he has expressed his intentions to continue trolling, dont you guys think that he should be perma banned?

<b style="color:#FF9933;"> अमेय आर्यन DaBrood</b><b style="color:red;">&#169;</b> 22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * See a related discussion above on this page the ani section on "buddhism" and sockpuppetry. There is a big quagmire of sockpuppetry among a fringe group of self-professed "neo-Buddhists" from India (nevertheless the true spiritual head of Buddhism, the Dalai Lama is not affiliated with this movement). Baka man  23:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * All three accounts have been blocked by other admins for sock puppetry. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  00:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * He is avoiding his block by using a sock puppet account User:Indianbuddhist. See the most recent edits and . Determined chap, that, but it's fairly obvious that he is a sock given the name ("buddhist" at the end, same as User:Ambedkaritebuddhist or User:Srilankabuddhist and tendentious editing on Dalit Buddhist Movement ). Hkelkar 12:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've blocked Indianbuddhist as an obvious sock of Pkulkarni. I am also increasing his block to 2 months due to continued disruption. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, at the very least whenever a sockpuppet is found, Pkulkarni's block timer should be reset per policy, although if he creates enough, we should definitely consider an indefinite block or ban. --Core<font color="#6669ff">desat  20:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Action sought against Sc4704
Sc4704 has been persistently inserting unreferenced filmography information into several articles connected with WP:INCINE, most notably Shah Rukh Khan, Hrithik Roshan and The Mahabharata (full contribution list here). See (diff1) (diff2) (diff3) (diff4) for examples.

He has continued inserting unreferenced and disputed information after requests for several clarification were placed on his talk page by several editors. He is unresponsive to dialog and continues to insert unsourced information.

After his most recent edit I placed a {{subst:needsource2|username}} on his userpage and also warned him that further violations would result in this complaint. He completely ignored this as usual and again re-inserted unsourced information (diff). Administrators, please take action as per the guidelines at WP:DE. Thanks. - ekantiK talk 06:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with User:Ekantik. Tried to talk to Sc4704, but he again placed unverfied information on Sahib Biwi Aur Ghulam‎ and a made-up movie on Salman Khan's page. --<font color="#BF7EE0">Plum <font color="#FFCC00">couch Talk2Me 20:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible sock puppeteer
User:Kyo cat and I suspect that is a sock puppeteer/sock puppet master of. Monsterty had vandalized the Sasuke Uchiha article and Kyo cat stepped in to revert their edit and warn the user. We believe that from there, the user created a file to impersonate Kyo cat's but I reported them and they were then blocked indef. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could look into this and block Monsterty if necessary (it shouldn't be too hard). Thank you for your time. // Sasuke  -kun  27  21:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Kyo cat 2's blocked.--<font face="comic sans ms"> SU IT  21:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Moronisatosser
I saw this name,, pop up editing Gaby Hoffman. Content dispute possible on the page, where I removed trivia based on WP:AVTRIV and suggested that it be inserted into the article instead. I also removed an unsourced picture, which was eventually deleted under CSD-I4. This new user, whose name may be a correaltion to my edits, has uploaded the image again, still without a source. Any admins care to comment? Cheers! -- <font color="darkblue" size="2" face="Constantia">moe. <font color="darkblue" size="" face="Constantia">RON Let's talk  21:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology
I, User:Cute 1 4 u wish to edit constructively. And please unblock, he was my friend.

No more spamming etc... User:Cute 1 4 u as --66.79.168.98 22:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Captin Fucko was blocked in June of 2006, but he will not be unblocked because of the choice of username. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

User:SSS108 keeps on revealing real name of user:Ekantik
keeps on revealing the real name of on talk:Sathya Sai Baba. User:Ekantik is a self-admitted sockpuppet of. See Suspected_sock_puppets/Ekantik.

User:Ekantik has requested SSS108 twice not to reveal his real name  . I also warned SSS108 not to reveal a person’s real name

In spite of this user:SSS108 continues to reveal user:Ekantik real name and has stated the intention of keep on doing this. See talk:Sathya Sai Baba. I had not a clue who user:Ekantik was before SSS108 stated his opinion about it.

User:SSS108 justifies his behavior by saying that his identity was revealed too by others. I admit that I have revealed user:SSS108’s real name too even after he requested me not to do so, but this is because user:SSS108 keeps on revealing his real name himself even after he requested me not to reveal his reveal his name. This was found okay by the arbcom decision regarding Sathya Sai Baba. SeeRequests_for_arbitration/Sathya andRequests_for_arbitration/Sathya_Sai_Baba/Evidence

I suggest that user:SSS108 is warned. Andries 17:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As discussed in a prior ArbCom case, Andries is the former webmaster and current "Main Representative, Supervisor and Contact" for the largest website on the internet opposing Sathya Sai Baba . Andries directly promotes, endorses and publishes Ekantik's Anti-Sai writings (under his name of Sanjay Dadlani) on his Anti-Sai website. When ProEdits/Robert Priddy (another Anti-Sai Activist who is Andries friend) divulged the full name of Freelanceresearch, not once did he object or complain about the publishing of personal information. Andries is trying to suppress the fact that Anti-Sai Activists, who have a keen agenda against Sathya Sai Baba, are editing the article incognito.


 * Ekantik had every opportunity to choose usernames that would not identify him with the Sai Controversy. Unfortunately for him, he choose to use the name "Gaurasundara", which directly links him to the Sai Controversy because he uses that very same name on the internet (which he recently changed then re-changed on one of his blogs in an attempt to suppress this fact).


 * Before discovering his sockpuppetry, Ekantik was directly asked by Jossi if he considered himself a POV editor and Ekantik said "no" . Needless to say, this response flies in the face of "Ekantik's" numerous blogs against Sathya Sai Baba and Sai Proponents (one even specifically attacking me and my edits here on Wikipedia) and thousands of highly defamatory, derogatory, sexually-explicit and grotesque accusations and comments against Sathya Sai Baba on various Yahoo Groups and forums.


 * Despite Ekantik's extra-Wikipedia online behavior and using a known name on Wikipedia that identifies him with Sai Controversy, he is attempting to suppress this information and portray himself as a neutral party who does not have a POV to push and that his interest in the Sathya Sai Baba article is innocent and without bias. Fortunately, his identity was discovered before he pushed forward his edits incognito. It is also important to point out that despite his self-professed neutrality, all of his edits revolve solely around the Sai Controversy.


 * If you would like for me to support all of my above comments, I am more than willing to create a page that highlights Ekantik's Anti-Sai Agenda against Sathya Sai Baba on the internet, along with a list of all his blogs, public claims about a prime participant in Paul Lewis' newspaper article against Sai Baba and a sampling of his unbelievably vitriolic accusations and comments against Sathya Sai Baba on the internet. All I can say is that you won't believe your eyes when you compare his Wikipedia persona with his Anti-Sai persona on the internet. Needless to say, Andries defence of Ekantik is for a reason. He is attempting to suppress the fact that the most vocial opponent of Sathya Sai Baba is attempting to edit the article incognito. SSS108 talk-email 18:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not aware of any name of user:Freelanceresearch that I believe to be her real name. User:ProEdits did not reveal her real name but another internet user name. User:Freelanceresearch made her other internet username as mentioned by user:ProEdits quite clear by her behavior in Wikipedia. In contrast, I had not a clue who user:Ekantik was, though I am familiar with all the main internet proponents and detractors of Sathya Sai Baba. Andries 19:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I told SSS108 that if he finds sockpuppets of the user, send them our way, but to not use the real names of editors unless they published it on Wikipedia before themselves. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify a few points: My sockpuppet is legitimate (see Sockpuppetry allegations). The name of my sockpuppet (Gaurasundara) is not connected with any Sai controversy because I do not use it in connection with said controversy. I use it in connection with matters of Hindu religion. As I have already discussed on the Sockpuppetry page, SSS108 is heavily biased in favour of Sathya Sai Baba and is also a noted defamer of critics and apostates of the Baba. He will (rightly) claim that I have a bias and make reference to extra-Wikipedia activites, but he fails to realise that extra-Wikipedia matters hardly figure in matters of article editing, especially since I am dedicated to NPOV and factual editing cleanup and maintenance in several other articles that I am involved. SSS108'S claims of bias refer to extra-Wikipedia matters and hasn't got a leg to stand on; my one edit see here on the Sathya Sai Baba page was a cleanup of POV, correction of bad grammar and removal of a defunct sentence.

Furthermore, it has been pointed out several times that SSS108 is using Wikipedia to carry on a personal battle in violation of WP:NOT, and continues to reveal my identity despite being requested several times not to do so by several editors (diff1) (diff2). He does not respect the right to privacy and this is a blockable offence. Please send me a message on my talk page if anything needs clarificaiton. Thank you. ekantiK talk 03:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have placed a {{subst:Pinfo4|username}} template on SSS108's page. ekantiK talk 04:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:BhaiSaab
The user just announced that he left Wikipedia, arguing injustice. Is there merit in his complaints? If yes, does he deserve an official apology? That case is new to me, but it does seem to be in need of some scrutiny. --Striver 17:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think Wikipedia is in the business of issuing Official Apologies. If BhaiSaab feels wronged, he should use the dispute resolution processes which offer a number of ways to discuss the issue. He is free to leave too if he prefers that option. Weregerbil 18:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * BhaiSaab is about to be come under a year's banning from this proposed ArbCom decision. I think he's making rather valid points on his talk page though. (→ Netscott ) 18:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Such a kurt response, did you two tangle Aksi? (→ Netscott ) 18:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No. But I don't feel that we should be wasting more time on the Bhaisaab-Hkelkar case. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand, thanks for the response. (→ Netscott ) 18:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes we did tangle when Aksi warned me once for insinuating that Hkelkar is a sockpuppet of Subhash. I have not announced that I am leaving Wikipedia. I am being banned. Do I think it's not fair? Yes, but honestly who cares? Arbcom does not go back on its decisions as far I'm aware and there is nothing that can change their decision. And I do agree that there should be no more time wasted. I just wanted to share my perspective on my banning on my talk page. That is all. BhaiSaab talk 18:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As uninvolved users in this dispute, you may tend to feel sorry for him considering his emotional farewell before the "execution". But this case has passed through the scrutiny of numerous admins and the decisions have been approved by a majority of arbitrators. Please have faith that their decisions or review the case yourself if you are dissatisfied. --Srikeit 18:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering the length of the evidence page, I feel the arbitrators have not scrutinized this case at all (and I would understand why they don't want to do all that reading). I presume they think my behavior is some sort of erratic response to nothing, and I also believe that they think that no one was aware of the sockpuppetry until close to the beginnings of the arbcom case. BhaiSaab talk 18:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 5 arbitrators voted. isnt it over? Baka man  21:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I hate to say this Bhai, but if you're going to leave, then just leave. This marks the second deletion of your userpage in just over two weeks, and it seems to be more about getting attention for your cause than actually leaving. You are free to defend yourself, but these pretend departures are not the appropriate way. And, to be honest, I'm not convinced by your defense; anti-Semitic remarks are offensive, no matter who they are being directed at. It's unfortunate you do not realize that. --  tariq abjotu  22:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Deletion of one's userpage is just that. Where did I say I'm leaving? If you take anti-Israel remarks as anti-Semitic, that's your problem. BhaiSaab talk 01:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Fijian coup and genocide
I am concerned about the actions of, who has posted a paragraph suggesting that a genocide is likely in Fiji in the articles Fiji, Frank Bainimarama and 2006 Fijian coup d'état without any supporting sources. I have removed his posts to these three articles. He posted the same or similar material on all three talk pages, and I tried to move the discussion to the one I thought most relevant (and which is also likely to be the highest traffic page at present), Talk:2006 Fijian coup d'état. He reposted some of the material at Talk:Fiji, and added a section on "Laws" to the Fiji article containing only the genocide law. I have now asked him three times to stop posting such material implying a future genocide and to restrict his posts to the Talk:2006 Fijian coup d'état page, but he has failed to comply.

I have asked for sources. His responses can be seen on my talk page User talk:gadfium and at Talk:2006 Fijian coup d'état. His sources are to the Fijian law against genocide, to an Amnesty International report saying that law could be improved, and to a Radio New Zealand report on possible genocide in West Papua. None of these suggest that an upcoming genocide in Fiji is likely. I'd welcome some more eyes on the situation.- gadfium 01:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Palestine Liberation Organization
Okay, someone vandalized the talk page of this article through a move. Then someone else attempted to fix the vandalism through another move to Palesitne Liberation Organization (a NON-talk page with a misspelt title). I tried to fix this mess myself but apparently things are so twisted up that I got a message saying that an admin needs to be asked to do the move of the proper talk page content to its proper place. Thanks to the admin taht sorts this out. Bwithh 03:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done it, since it didn't need an admin. Just needed to be moved through all the intermediate page moves done. -Amarkov blahedits 03:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

further out of wikipedia contact
Ok, I reported on this once before. If you want to read the completed consensus on it, it's here: (last diff I found on the topic). Well, the guy is back and still sending me emails to join social/dating/contact networks by email. I'm getting sick of this. Can something be done about this? I've told him twice to stop. &rArr; <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  07:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't really see this as a matter for action on Wikipedia. Morwen - Talk 10:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is hard to see how it isn't. The person in question is using the Wikipedia email function to spam. Swat, have you tried simply listing the person's email address in a spam filter? JoshuaZ 13:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is not my reading of the note, particularly the previous report. It seems they have obtained this person's address, and are spamming them privately or are feeding their email address into dating sites as an "invite your friend" type feature.  Morwen - Talk 15:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a very interesting case. May I ask how often you are getting these emails?  In your previous post you said 3 in a month, which doesn't sound like much.  Also consider that the offender might not even be aware of what he's doing: sometimes social-network sites have people upload the address book from their email client, which can include everyone they've ever sent mail to.  You might be one of hundreds or even thousands, who knows.  It's also (sadly) possible that the user may have been the victim of a virus or trojan which harvested your address and is now being used for spam.  Obviously it's upsetting you if you're posting here about it, so I'm trying to think of a good solution. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I got another one today, this one asks me for my birthday. The one yesterday asked me for my address. I've gotten 5 in the past month or so. And no, he's not been infected with a trojan because he's adding in a personalized message "Hello this is mohammed salim khan from dherai swat, pakistan", which fits in with he user pages. Morwen: I think it is a wikipedia problem, because he is using the email function on wikipedia to gain my response and then using it for unwanted personal contact. That's a huge potential loophole for phishers/scammers, to email editors here with a seemingly valid question, and then use the responding addresses and spam them. &rArr; <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Look, he's already got your email address, right? So if we ban him, and stop him from using the email facility, and indeed remove your email from the site, then he's still got your email address and can continue to spam you?  I don't mean to seem unsympathetic here, but what sort of action do you expect us to take?   If I am misunderstanding the situation, and you never replied to one, he doesn't have your address and is still sending these things through the wikipedia's "e-mail" function, then we may be able to do something.  Morwen - Talk 23:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know exactly what action you're supposed to take. That's why I brought it up here, to get some sort of ideas. I can eventually get the spam filters to recognize his name and they'll block it out, but what's to stop him from doing it again through a different account? It's a policy issue that needs to be addressed because it's a potentially dangerous loophole. So I'm bringing it up here, because it's an incident, and it's something that requires administrator attention. &rArr; <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  23:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you want us to warn someone, block someone, delete something or protect something? If so, this is the right place for it.   If not, then it needs to go to developers or possibly the community at large for discussion on what we want to ask the developers to do.  Morwen - Talk 01:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Morwen, I'm here because I don't know what the policy is regarding out of wikipedia harrassment. I think that an official warning at the minimum is in order, though it's up to the administrators which user it would go to, because he has something like 8 user accounts (which I've posted about here before). If there's a way to disable the Special:emailuser function for his accounts, that's actually the best way. However, I'm asking here what the policy is. This is an incident. It requires administrator attention. Hence, here. (Note, I think it should go to the developers as well, but that doesn't preclude action here). &rArr; <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> SWAT  Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  06:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think SWATJester has a valid point here; if people are phishing via Wikipedia email, in any form, then we have a problem. Just because we don't have a policy yet doesn't mean that we should pretend that it's not a problem if it happens.  I don't know what the right answer is; it could range from "be careful who you respond to WP email from" as a user warning, to blocking or banning any WP account found to be doing this, with quite a range in between.  But it's worth starting a policy discussion about.  This is probably not the right place, but figuring out where the right place is, and asking if there's an informal consensus for doing something on a preliminary basis, are reasonable here.  Georgewilliamherbert 06:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Could there be a way to change the e-mail function to hide people's e-mail addresses from one another? So I e-mail you, you can't see my e-mail address but you can click the e-mail link from my userpage to reply? This might be an issue for the Village Pump. Grand  master  ka  10:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat
As per Requests for comment/Elaragirl, please indefinitely block this idiot. There is a clear cut consensus. -- Cat out 00:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am waiting... whats keeping you? -- Cat out 00:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Come on guys, why the hesitation? He is asking for it... -- Cat out 00:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to bait us. It's not big, it's not funny and it's not clever. --Sam Blanning(talk) 00:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was actually requesting it formally. But very well. Requests_for_arbitration -- Cat out 01:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have indef blocked Cool Cat since he asked for it specifrically. I don't really know what this dispute is about, so if he's being sarcastic I am not really sure what effect he's going for, but when you ask to be indef blocked you should realize it just might happen. If he'd like to explain why he said something he didn't mean, I'm listening. --W.marsh 01:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that's justified purely by the user requesting it. This request smacks of trying to make a WP:POINT. --Sam Blanning(talk) 01:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, we don't usually do requested blocks. Cool Cat was probably just letting off steam, and didn't really want to be blocked. Prodego  <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  01:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not a mind-reader, he said he wanted to be blocked. He can now say he didn't actually mean it, if he didn't. At any rate given the joke RFAr I think a block for disruption was coming soon anyway. --W.marsh 01:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not indefinite though, I think a 2 hour disruption block would be better considering that Cool Cat is a positive contributor. Prodego  <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  01:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't get what's positive at all about this tantrum. He should really understand that he shouldn't have done this, apparently he's stubbornly waiting for me/another admin to blink. That may sound like I'm myself venturing close to disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point, but I don't at all see blocking him as disrupting Wikipedia. If others disagree I respect that and will unblock. --W.marsh 01:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It's just a tantrum. You're blocked now, Cat, so, um, I guess "Mission accomplished". The big wiki keep on turning, Cool Cat keeps on burning. You know how to use the unblock request templates whenever you're ready if ever. - C HAIRBOY (☎) 01:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that Cool Cat was upset at the lack of support for his position on the page Requests for comment/Elaragirl, where he eventually wrote:
 * "I am bailing out of this request. Too many trolls and/or members of the deletionism cabal. If Elaragirl's conduct is acceptable, please delete WP:CIVIL. --Cat out 00:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)"
 * and:
 * "Indefinitely block this idiot. This cool cat guy is only here for a malicious purpose. He should be annoyed harassed like no tomorrow as he has always been. (please check timestamps of evidence too) --Cat out 00:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)"
 * I'm sorry he feels that way, but the RfC itself may have been a violation of WP:POINT. I did participate in the RfC, so I am not an uninterested party. Still, I wish him well. -- Kyok <font color="green" face="zapfino">o 01:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Cool Cat has been frustrated for the last couple of weeks because a number of Star Trek-related articles that he respects have been put up for AfD, and I believe in a couple of cases deleted. In the process he has crossed paths with User:Elaragirl, a self-described "very aggressive" user and emphatic deletionist (who is currently blocked for 24 hours in an unrelated matter, see discussion above thread "Block of User:Elaragirl") and they have certainly rubbed each other the wrong way. Cool Cat's RfC filing against Elaragirl earlier today received, one could say, less than unanimous support which seems to have upset Cool Cat further.
 * Cool Cat has been talking about leaving Wikipedia, temporarily or permanently, for a few days now and probably could use a little bit of a Wikibreak. One possibility that occurs to me is that he's sought out a block as a means of Wikibreak enforcement, which I know is not permitted, yet is probably harmless for a couple of days in this instance. Newyorkbrad 01:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks like he's been unblocked by Bishonen. I don't really mind aside from the minor point that I'd like to at least have been asked about it first before my action was reversed, but whatever. Hopefully Cool Cat will have calmed down and come back. --W.marsh 01:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I tried to post but got edit conflicted all over the place. I've unblocked because we're not supposed to block on request, just as admins aren't supposed to self-block. Please chill, Cat out. Bishonen | talk 01:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Eh, a single revert of an action is no big deal. Why should we own our admin actions any more than we own our edits?  Looks like no harm done, at any rate.  Friday (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

He's an admin at Commons and is acting this way. Heh. -- Ned Scott 02:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Stop trolling CC. -- Drini 03:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Support Bishonen's unblock and second Drini's comment. This looks like an exercise in WP:POINT. -- Ghirla <sup style="color:#C98726;">-трёп-  08:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe this case re User:Moby Dick added to CC's frustration. Whatever the real reason is i ask CC to cool down and take easy. -- <font size="2px" face="Verdana"><font color="DarkSlateBlue">Szvest   <font style="background: orange">Wiki me up ®  12:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, now we have this. Since I have better things to do than to get involved in this dispute, does someone else want to deal with this? Tito xd (?!?) 08:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Requests for checkuser/Case/Highfructosecornsyrup
It seems my/our suspicions of this user being a sockpuppet were well founded, however the editor responsible was certainly a shock. Checkuser confirms the perp is definitely Wikipediatrix - and, to quote Essjay;
 * "The sock appears to have been a straw-man sock, and was used for double voting (albiet, opposite votes) in several AFDs. What to do with it should be left to the admins."

There are also disputes on various Scientology articles talk pages in which the sock has been used to directly breach WP:SOCK.

So, question is, where to from here. As a "involved party" I would appreciate input. No blocks have been issued at this time Glen 05:44, December 8, 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, double voting and breaches of SOCK are shocking and unacceptable for an editor who has been around so long. At the very least the sock should be indef'd and Wikipediatrix given a week block to prevent her from continuing this behaviour and to think about her actions seriously. At the least. pschemp | talk 05:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow. I mean yeah. That's completely unacceptable. What Pschemp said (I'm somewhat involved having welcomed the user and been the first editor to ask if the editor had previous experience and argued with the editor about deletion matters). I'm probably too involved to make the block. JoshuaZ 05:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (many edit conflicts) Well now, this is very bizarre. Of course block Highfructosecornsyrup indef. Beyond that I don't know what to do. So weird... Grand  master  ka  05:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The sock is blocked. I'd prefer to leave Wikipediatrix to a more experienced admin; my recommendation would be a short-term block per WP:SOCK, and if everyone else here is conflicted, I'll do the block myself. | Mr. Darcy talk 06:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with a short-term block, perhaps a week. --Core<font color="#6669ff">desat  06:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking over the user's history, a longer block might be needed, possibly more than a week (I'd suggest maybe two weeks). --Core<font color="#6669ff">desat  06:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm actually usually the conservative one on block length, but I make a real distinction between disruption and outright deceit. Two weeks is the minimum block I would apply in this case.  I think the block length should at least equal the length of time for the sock account, which would be about two weeks. —Doug Bell talk 08:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Just in case no-one saw it, my reccomendations (which I gave immediately following the findings from Essjay being published) are here. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 07:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow. I have asked Wikipediatrix what gives. Guy (Help!) 08:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Having studied (thanks, in part, to the excellent articles we have here) the history of Scientology in detail, I'd like to know if there's any feasible way of framing someone in this way? yandman 08:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I've seen Wikipediatrix around in a lot of AfDs, and him using a sock puppet like this... doesn't make sense. Maybe there's something more to this? Maybe he knows this guy in real life and they were using the same internet connection at one point? I mean, really, it doesn't make sense. -- Ned Scott 08:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Wait a second. 'Trix stopped editing on the 29th, and before then, CornSyrup made no edits to CoS related pages. The CoS edits on the fructose account are all after trix disappeared. What the f... is going on here? yandman 08:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment - The sockpuppet didn't start editing until a week before Wikipediatrix stopped. There is little overlapping... I wonder if Wikipediatrix was planning to ditch her original account and get a new username for privacy, and voted opposite votes to disassociate the identities?  If so, you guys have just taken a cannonball to that plan :-\  Milto LOL pia 10:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI For a full summary of the articles, and all the individual diffs showing the pages common to both accounts see here Glen 11:14, December 8, 2006 (UTC)

I think the people questioning this are unfamiliar with how checkuser works so let me give you and example. Essjay's findings show that these two edits were made within minutes of each other using the exact same underlying IP address and no other users have used that IP address. There is no way this is more than one user, the IP isn't an open proxy.


 * (cur) (last) 03:50, November 29, 2006 Wikipediatrix (Talk | contribs | block) (removed rant. this isn't a chat room.)
 * (cur) (last) 03:41, November 29, 2006 Highfructosecornsyrup (Talk | contribs | block) (→List of Teletubbies episodes)

This, combined with the diffs Glen has listed are pretty damming. Plus, I've no reason to doubt the checkuser results. Additionally, the fact that Wikipediatrix stopped editing about the time the sock became really active is even more proof in my book. I've blocked for a week. pschemp | talk 14:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand how a checkuser works, however I believe that the pattern of editing here is closer to that of two people using the same computer than that of a user deliberately socking. See here. yandman 14:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, two people who used the same computer within 11 minutes of each other who also edited the exact same articles? Highly doubtful. pschemp | talk 15:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say possible myself... A lot of people have home networks and therefore several computers could appear as the same IP (a closed proxy).
 * However, I am not saying that this is the case - I am just a little bewildered by the fact that a previous good editor suddenly does all of this. It is a little bit strange is it not?
 * Has anyone actually emailed her to find out what she has to say?-Localzuk(talk) 15:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was strange except that it has happened before and more than once. Remember User:Jtkeifer for example. And then there was the guy who was vandalising under one account and reverting it under another. Anyone is welcome to email the user, and a message has been left on the talkpage. Should a plausible explanation be put forward, things can be reconsidered, nothing on the wiki is permanent. However, right now, I feel I've done what the situation warranted. pschemp | talk 15:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but she's been defending the articles against the CoS on a daily basis for over a year now, in fact she's one of the main causes behind Xenu being FA. Why would she suddenly switch sides? Maybe I'm assuming too much good faith, but I can't help smelling fish. Anyway, as you say, nothing's permanent. yandman  15:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just sent her an email. However, she's not edited for the last 10 days, so I don't know if she's anywhere near a computer. Maybe she's married Tom cruise... yandman  15:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately yandman, whilst I applaud your ability to continue to assume good faith it the most dire of circumstances and look for any rationale that could explain this, I must invoke Occam's Razor; you are wrong. You are excluding one vital factor in your assumptions; The fact that I asked four or five direct questions this user regarding their previous experience, and they denied they had ever edited here, and learned by watching us for two years. (see here for a reminder) This would have been the perfect opportunity to tell use her roommate was an avid editor... or another such explanation. So, its Wikipediatrix, no question there. But, I do have some serious concerns that need answering about all this that havent been discussed. (see next post) <font style="color:yellow;background:#000;"> Glen  16:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's the rub: This is the fucking perplexing thing about all this. It is directly because of Wikipediatrix that I am even here at all. She actually wrote the original article about my website that caused me to find Wikipedia. A website that parodies Scientology and Tom Cruise. When questions arose about merging the article, she defended it. Almost exactly a year to the day later, I am lodging the Checkuser request that gets her blocked But... (see my next post...) Glen 17:00, December 8, 2006 (UTC)
 * This is better than CSI! yandman  17:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

A two-word question:  wireless router? – SAJordan talkcontribs 16:44, 8 Dec 2006 (UTC).
 * Yes, that is a good point but what speaks against it is that wikipediatrix diappears and HFCS appears. If she was being played you would expect both editors to be active during the same overall time frame. I have a few ideas but none worth repeating and none that speak to her blocks. --Justanother 16:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys, please look at the facts here: 1) They edited the same pages, and within minutes of each other. 2) Wikipediatrix stopped about the time that Syrup picked up, 3) There is no other activity from this IP, 4) Syrup immediately jumped into administrative level stuff. I know people don't want to believe she's capable of it, but gosh, to be a rather blunt: if it looks, feels, tastes and smells like sockpuppetry, it's probably sockpuppetry. The chances of this being a coincidence are about the chance you'll win the lottery today. -Patstuarttalk 17:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Undeniable. But why would someone spend two years fighting Al and terryeo and then suddenly turn into them?  There's gotta be one heck of an explanation somewhere. Thatcher131 17:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Glen S above. A few people are tying themselves in knotts here trying to explain what is pretty clear to me. I think the burden is fairly on Wikipediatrix to explain the situation if we are wrong about the deception and sockpuppetry, and I highly doubt that we are. I still think a one week block is not long enough and would prefer to see it extended to two weeks, and even this seems like maybe not enough. This type of deliberate, willful deception is far more disruptive than your typical willy on wheels vandal, so my recommendation for a longer block is not for punative reasons, but to allow time for the damage caused to be undone and for the community to reflect upon this incident without having to worry that it is continuing. Note that I have had no interactions with either of these accounts, so there is no personal stake for me in my statements here. It is simply a reaction to the scope of the damage to people's trust in the community that behavior like this causes. I think perhaps an ArbCom case should be opened in this matter, but I will leave that decision to people more closely connected to the events. —Doug Bell talk 17:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The situation indeed is quite odd, but the editor has been asked for some sort of explanation, both on her talkpage and I father via e-mail. I would suggest that any further action be held in abeyance until we see whether she posts anything and what she has to say. Newyorkbrad 17:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * agree. Everything Fructose did was immediately reverted as blatant PoV, and everything trix did was accepted at the time. I agree that we've all been deceived and that an arbcom is definitely needed, but Wikipedia hasn't really been damaged, so there's little cause for alarm. Let's let this one play out. yandman  17:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Everything Fructose did was immediately reverted as blatant PoV, and everything trix did was accepted at the time." And what does that tell us. Cause I have to tell you, guys, she did much more credible work as Fructose than she did as Trix. And I don't think that comes from my POV as a Scientologist either. At least over the period I've been here and also her older edits that I have worked with. --Justanother 17:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree we can wait for a response before extending the block. However, if we have no response by the time the one week block expires, I suggest and indef block until we at least get a response.  As to the statement from Yandman regarding "Wikipedia hasn't really been damaged", I respectfully disagree.  I repeat that these actions are far more damaging than a blatant serial vandal, and I can't see anyone arguing that that doesn't cause damage. —Doug Bell talk 17:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * what do you see as damaging? The edits by wikipediatrix? The edits by HFCS? Or something else? --Justanother 18:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Primarily the undermining of trust. —Doug Bell talk 18:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, true. But we never really know who we are dealing with and should govern ourselves accordingly. I wonder what precedent wikipedia has experienced for something like this. --Justanother 18:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No frakking way!!! This is surreal... There must be another explanation. Maybe she is on vacation and someone is using her computer? We absolutely need to hear what she has to say before we do anything permanent. Including the ban of HFCS. As far as I am concerned all that has been done thus far is that another rational editor of Scn arcticles has been banned for life. ---Slightlyright 19:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Calm down, nobody has been banned for life. Read the discussion more carefully. —Doug Bell talk 20:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Update
See Wikipediatrix's explanation and comments here. Newyorkbrad 20:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on that response I think the current 1 week block is the appropriate response and it can end there. Regardless of intent, double voting, switching back and forth over short periods of time, and contributing with both accounts to the same articles without disclosure is disruptive. —Doug Bell talk 20:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the deliberate dissemination when Highfructosecornsyrup querried regarding previous experience here. That was disruptive in all the effort that has been expended getting the straight answer that should have been forthcoming when first asked. —Doug Bell talk 20:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I was going to ask why the block because I did not see anything wrong with Fructose's edits and socks are not specifically disallowed. Changing your mind is also not disallowed. Then I checked and saw that she had voted keep on two of her own AfDs so that is somewhat disingenuous and grounds for some short block. Other than that did trix/syrup do anything really wrong other than torque people off. Hell, trix sure torqued me when acting the critic. --Justanother 20:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The relevant policy is Don't disrupt wikipedia to make a point. A week seems right. Thatcher131 01:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Something still doesn't smell right about this: a one week block for a death threat? I'd like to see the diff of that threat. <font face="Verdana"> Durova Charg e! 01:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussed here. Newyorkbrad 02:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes lets just make this perfectly clear; Wikipediatrix did not make any death threats, nor anything remotely close. She was informing me of a blocked user who had made them on his talk page. That's all. Lets kill that rumor now. I've only just turned my PC on so still processing the rest of all this. Glen 05:18, December 9, 2006 (UTC)
 * No she didn't, I misread the diff. I have however, corrected the blocking reason in the log. No need for anyone to get excited. pschemp | talk 06:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I wasnt clarifying that for you Pschemp, was aware you well understood; just making it crystal clear to anyone else just quickly browsing over this before a whole new conspiracy begins.
 * Yeah i knew you weren't. I was just making clear to casual readers of the page that the mistake had been fixed. pschemp | talk 14:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, regarding her explanation, I guess I'm kinda relieved. Was anything resolved regarding the block? My concern about what she did lies solely around WP:POINT. There were changes she wanted made, obviously, and it was her doing them via a new account with no explanation that caused all the edit warring, and, is the reason this whole section/checkuser was done in the first place. Take, for example, this. Now Wikipediatrix started and in fact wrote that entire article - yet, days later - marks her own work as a copyvio with the sock! Now if she'd done that with her main account, as the creator, no one would doubt her. But instead edit warring ensued. Here Wikipediatrix was the last person to edit the template, and made some fairly big changes; the very next edit is her, as the sock, removing info... and again edit warring ensued. The socks intentions seemed to everyone to be to disrupt. Thus it effectively got nowhere. Wikipediatrix is respected enough to have mde those changes and for us all to AGF. But then I cant imagine Wikipediatrix making such sweeping removals, and nominating clearly notable Scientology critics for deletion without discussing it first... But, I guess Wikipediatrix did. Glen 06:24, December 9, 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediatrix has had a long history of contentious editing on this project. This just soldifies it. Frankly, I'm not surprised. &rArr; <font face="Euclid Fraktur"> SWAT  Jester    On Belay!  08:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, apologies to everyone for my excessive good faith. What a waste of time.  yandman  11:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Xenanthropism
The article Xenanthropism is absolute nonsense with a single google hit from a MySpace blog and the article is a copyright violation of that blog. The author,, continued to remove the speedy tag and after a series of warnings suddenly has supporters: and  whose edits consist of removing the speedy tag and then writing on the talk page summaries that basically consist of oh I've heard of this, you should keep it. There is clear sockpuppetry here but it doesn't yet meet criteria for a checkuser. Can the page be protected until an admin looks at it for speedy? It is driving me nuts to have to keep putting the tag back on as brand new users show up and remove it. showed up and removed it with the edit summary of I have deemed that I have grounds to remove all notices of speedy deletion, since I, myself, did not create this page but do not feel that it meets criteria for speedy deletion which is just absolute nonsense. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 09:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... We also have who spammed it across several pages.— Řÿūłóñģ  ( 竜龍 ) 09:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've speedied the article for copyvio and protected it for the time being to prevent further disruption. I've left the talk page alone for now, as it might be useful to deal with the socks. Sandstein 09:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ...and would some more experienced admins please attend to the socks? My feeling is to final-warn or block the original author (he's also created, a personal attack page, now also speedied) and to block the evident socks, but I've no time now to hunt for the appropriate templates... Sandstein 10:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * suspsock, blockedsock...— Řÿūłóñģ ( 竜龍 ) 10:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * has recreated the article as Xenanthopism. I've tagged it for speedy deletion. --Wasell 11:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, all blocked/deleted now, thanks! Any admin who thinks this is too harsh may undo these actions at will. Sandstein 11:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. <b style="color:green;">IrishGuy</b> <sup style="color:blue;">talk 17:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dmcdevit (talk • contribs) has now confirmed via CheckUser that User:Blazingnikons == User:Philophile but not User:Amor fati. --  Netsnipe  ►  08:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia
Czechoslovakia was moved to Republic of Czechoslovakia on 30 November by Domino theory (talk • contribs), leaving Czechoslovakia as a redirect. Subsequently Themightyquill (talk • contribs) changed the page to a dab. Needless to say, several thousand links were left pointing to the dab page. I reverted today when I noticed it. Juro (talk • contribs) and Zundark (talk • contribs) have reverted me. Well I'm not going to edit war over it. Perhaps I'm being dense, but it seems to me that unless the people that want a dab page are willing to fix the links, the convenience of readers should come first. Thanks, Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there a reason we've separated the article on Czechoslovakia into three parts? I don't believe we've done that with other countries. Soviet Union is one article, for example. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason appears to be that Domino theory thought it was a good idea, apparently pissing off the other editors mentioned. I'd have thought that the answer would be reeducate Domino Theory and revert everything to the way it was on November 29 or thereabouts. I'm not sure it's that simple; presumably Themightyquill, et al, would have done that if it was. The multiple-articles situation is old, what's new is whacking great chunks out of ex-Czechoslovakia. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, we need to put everything back together. An article division/redirect like that should be done with the consensus of the editors involved. | Mr. Darcy talk 23:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt that anyone wants a disambiguation page. Certainly I don't. But the redirect was even worse. Fortunately, MrDarcy has restored the article now, so the problem is solved. --Zundark 08:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

,, et, al.
(Pakistani user) has been repeatedly warned for his incivility and personal attacks. I posted a warning to his talk page yesterday after the complaints here at WP:ANI, as well as 's advice suggesting that he cool things down. After further incivility and personal attacks (see additional warnings on his talk page), and particularly this comment, I blocked him for forty-eight hours.

Similarly, (Indian user) has been engaging in similar conduct, particularly on Talk:History of Pakistan. After he posted an extensive comment to Talk:History of Pakistan outlining Pakistan's misdeeds, I warned him of his incivility again. He subsequently posted an "apology" on my talk page in which he calls a "Pakistani nationalist" with "jingoist historical revisionism and blatant propaganda", mocking him with the use of the term "kaffirs" (an often derogatory term to describe non-Muslims from a Muslim point-of-view). As a result, I blocked him for forty-eight hours, as well.

So, I'm seeking confirmation (or whatever the antonym of confirmation is) for these actions. --  tariq abjotu  02:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Note also the other provocative statements on Talk:History of Pakistan from other users. I have warned a couple of them about their incivility, but things certainly do look heated. I can't even tell if they're discussing the article. --  tariq abjotu  02:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A balanced application of WP:BLOCK was merited here. User:Hkelkar looks to be heading for a year's ban pending confirmation of a motion to close the RfArb he's currently a part of so this 48 hours may be an early application of this proposed ArbCom decision. Unfortunately in the Wiki areas of Religion/Politics/Race its been my experience that this type of incivility is all too common. (→ Netscott ) 02:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I support your actions. Though they may feel victimised, such behaviour not being uncommon on the talkpage, it does not excuse their disregard for basic policy. Rockpock  e  t  02:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that had a few run-ins with  as well. May want to check into that. Netscott is right about "civility", as long as the users aren't obvious newbies, no one even pretends to be civil. Its much too easy for users to make false accusations, insinuations, and sink into personal attacks. Baka  man  04:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Hkelkar's gone for a year per ArbCom. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 11:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Complex vandalism?
was blocked November 24 for blatant vandalism to several pages, including John Cena. A few days later, I blocked as an obvious sockpuppet of Bowser Koopa (this sock vandalized the same pages including John Cena). shows up and starts a category page about the vandal. The Showster was actually created within 10 minutes of the creation of Bowser, King of the Koopas, and concentrated on wrestling articles too (but didn't vandalize). With the veracity in which The Showster was creating (and recreating after it was deleted) the category page, I had some suspicions about the user's intentions and posted this to ANI Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive152. Steel359 deleted the category but wasn't so sure about the sockpuppet part. In addition, was helping The Showster out with the category. You're The Man Now Dog was also created within the same 10 minute span of The Showster and Bowser, King of the Koopas on November 27th. You're The Man Now Dog was blocked a few days ago for vandalism to, among other wrestling pages, John Cena.

Now, The Showster has posted on his talk page that he is blocked under an autoblock because of 's block. What was Crazy Commander blocked for? Vandalism to the John Cena article.

Can some other admins look at this too? It really does seem like all the users are the same person. Metros232 18:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Update: They've all been blocked as socks. Requests for checkuser/Case/Bowser Koopa‎ returned a bunch of socks and an IP address that have been blocked.  John Cena has been unprotected.  Bowser Koopa claims himself a martyr.  And all the world's a happy place.  Metros232 14:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:85.17.45.23 = User:Leaderofall?
I just spotted this edit, which has an entirely dishonest edit summary, and got to looking at the user's contributions which showed this apparent connection to a banned user. Not sure if this is where the report belongs? Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 14:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Given the contribs from that anon, I don't see enough evidence to determine if this is the banned user or not. You could file a checkuser request to see if the IP addresses match. In the meantime, I've placed a spam-n warning on that anon user's talk page. As long as it's just one silly edit every few days, I don't think any admin intervention is required. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

TerriNunn = NerriTunn
(See also Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.}

She has returned under the name NerriTunn, and it personally attacking me here, and here. Please, please, could an admin do something. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Those personal attacks amount to nothing less than trolling. Block and harsh words required. Moreschi 18:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I issued a single warning to her to knock it off. If she persists, I'll indef-block, but since the last block was for WP:USERNAME, I want to give her one chance to straighten up and fly right. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, that username seems to have just a bit of WP:POINT to it, no? Patstuarttalk 19:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm...I didn't see this section before I blocked her for being a sockpuppet of a blocked account. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  23:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The original account was only blocked for the User name, blocking someone who comes in with a new User name shouldn't be automatic. I would support an unblocking and a final warning.  User:Zoe|(talk) 02:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually did just that about an hour ago. She gets a short leash, but she gets a leash nonetheless. | Mr. Darcy talk 02:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * She just created List of heteroflexibles, a blatant POV fork of List of bisexuals. I slapped an AfD on it, but am curious if it would be appropriate for me to either delete the page entirely or to blank it and make it a redirect to List of bisexuals. Just didn't want to overstep my admin-bounds here. | Mr. Darcy talk 02:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and recreate as a redirect. Sprotect if necessary.  User:Zoe|(talk) 22:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Article J. Edward Anderson created by Ken Avidor
Ken Avidor is a known opponent (with few scruples) of Dr. Anderson's lifelong goals. I scanned the article and found at least one case of taking a quote out of context. The article focuses on local Minneapolis politics, which is not necessarily appropriate to a discussion of Dr. Anderson's achievements. In order to prevent a minor recurrence of the Siegenthaler incident I suggest a rigorous review of this article. Bob 04:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Would this not be a case for Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard? Patstuarttalk 04:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You are the expert. Wikipedia internals are labyrinthine to me.  Bob 05:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Notability is borderline but there are fans of Anderson's also active on the article. I note that the PRT disputants are once again bringing their battles to Wikipedia, what joy. Guy (Help!) 18:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Fans of Anderson? Laughable! Anyone who doesn't quote the Avidor party line is nothing but a drooling "fan" to you. You will never get it, JzG. ATren


 * TO be clear, I dont' know anything about PRT. I'm fine with deleting the whole thing. I'm only active on it inasmuch as I found it through my watch of AN/I, and thought it'd be interesting to really clean up and rehab a lousy POV filled article. Avidor continues to add to the article with loaded words, but I've AGF'd and asked him to be careful in the future. My only interest is in editing a bad article into good, not in supporting or opposing PRT. I'm a jersey driver. I can't shoot the bird from PRT, so what do I care about it? ThuranX 18:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ThuranX, a year ago, I didn't know the first thing about PRT, but because I got involved and tried to correct blatant POV pushing on the PRT article, I'm now portrayed as a mindless drooling proponent. Don't be surprised if you get the same treatment... ATren 20:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I liberally delete idiocy off my user talk. I don't really worry about it. And I don't care about PRT, won't care about PRT, and given how voliatile it is, I doubt I'll do much more editing if this survives it's AfD nom. ThuranX 20:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Politically motivated edits and vandalism
(moved from WP:AIV -- Viridae Talk 06:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)) Could a few admins please take a look at the history edits of admin. User:JamesTeterenko and User:Pm_shef a.k.a.User:Chabuk I have been watching these users for sometime now (for reasons that I could let you know upon a private email) and both are just making a mockery of wikipedia for political purposes. User:Pm_shef a.k.a. User:Chabuk is the son of a politician and has been slandering and vandalising all of his fathers political competitors and opponents on wikipedia while at the same time building up in a POV style his political supporters. I don’t know whom admin. User:JamesTeterenko is other than being User:Pm_shef a.k.a. User:Chabuk sidekick and enforces his politically motivated edits and vandalism. When another user including admins. makes a positive and factually correct edit to any of these articles User:JamesTeterenko is right there reverting these and most of the time blocking them and/or labelling them as a sock puppet. If some admins could look into this and take the necessary action against these users that would be appreciated. I could also provide details if asked. --PeanutChiselTip 03:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a sockpuppet of Vaughan Watch, someone with a vendetta against Pm shef.— Řÿūłóñģ ( 竜龍 ) 06:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet creating AfDs
New user, must be a sockpuppet with experience creating AfDs that appear to be retaliation against --<font color="#0000FF">Armadillo <font color="#000000">From <font color="#DD2222">Hell <font color="#AAAAAA">GateBridge  07:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you point us to one of the the AfDs? I have come across a user in a dispute with WarthogDemon recently, might be the same one. Viridae Talk 07:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I do believe it's a sock puppet of User:Mr Bullockx. I have no experience with sockpuppets, but the user User:MinervaSimpson seems to be acting the same way.  The account was created only an hour ago and almost immediately began putting up articles for deletion, including some of mine (and on those the user has made what appears to be personal attacks). The user also seems to be behaving just the same way as the former user did, (stalking my edits?) and has recently posted copyright work (which has just been deleted). I think this could be a sockpuppet, but since I am not sure and since I also don't want to get into a serious confrontation or a serious bout of bad faith, I'd rather you look it over since I believe you have a little familiarity with this situation. Thanks. -WarthogDemon 06:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WarthogDemon (talk • contribs). (Sorry; I simply copied/pasted from my talk with ArmadilloFromHell and I forgot that my signature wouldn't update itself...)
 * Very sorry I left out the crucial info ==> --<font color="#0000FF">Armadillo <font color="#000000">From <font color="#DD2222">Hell <font color="#AAAAAA">GateBridge  07:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like a pretty obvious sockpuppet to me. -Patstuarttalk 08:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And whom now has just put up a fourth article I have created as an AfD. -WarthogDemon 17:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * File a checkuser on him. This is clearly a sock - new users don't show up here and start filing AfDs with arguments about notability. I think the appropriate course of action is an indef-block and speedy-keep of bad-faith AfDs, but I'd like one point of more tangible evidence first. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The obvious is never a problem: I blocked MinervaSimpson as a transparently obvious sock. But I did not delete or speedy close the AfDs because whether or not they were victimisation, all have attracted several valid !votes from other editors.  I even !voted on one myself.  Guy (Help!) 18:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I closed them all (five in total) as bad-faith nominations. Someone can renominate in good faith if they'd like, but I don't like seeing articles deleted because of who authored them. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Legal threat?
left a message at WikiProject on open proxies:. He/she said a.o. "The Regulatory Authority REQUIRES that internet connections go through the telecom providers proxy filter, so we have no legal choice in the matter." Does this constitute a legal threat or not? A ecis  Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 14:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't really see how that is threatening. --tomf688 (talk - email) 14:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Capslockedly saying that something "requires" a certain action, followed by the conclusion that "we have no legal choice in the matter" leads to the question: no legal choice but to do what? A  ecis  Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 14:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no threat here. The person is simply saying that in the UAE all internet traffic is required by their law to go through their internal proxies. They are explaining that by blocking UAE IP addresses as open proxies we are blocking significant portions of the country's population from being able to edit due to their requirement to use the proxies.-Localzuk(talk) 15:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Users in the UAE have no choice but to use that proxy. It's not like AOL where you can always get a better ISP - all their traffic goes out through government controlled proxies, all the better for blocking objectional material like porno and freedom. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes this is clearly not intended as a threat. If for example, they were saying, we have no choice so we'll sue you for violating our rights, that obviously would be a threat. But in this case, it's just an explaination Nil Einne 20:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * NB, wil AOL you don't have to change ISP. There are various ways to use AOL, even before the XMM headers was introduced Nil Einne 20:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Cyber Lopez Lt
I beleive is a sockpuppet of  being used to evade a block. Cyber Lopez Lt began editing the day after Cyber Lopez Rt was blocked, and in addition to the similar user name, has similar edits such as adding his own barnstars and editing Tanya Memme. Also may be affiliated with blocked user, whom I just noticed also edited Tanya Memme. Thanks. timrem 17:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see, , and as well. timrem 18:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm just going to permablock all of these as sockpuppets and essentially vandalism-only accounts. Any who disagree? Sandstein 19:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Complex AfD raising potential trademark or legal issues
Please see Articles_for_deletion/OpenPBX_by_Voicetronix. This situation involves allegations that several Wikipedia articles are in violation of trademark rights involving two software projects in Australia with similar names. The dispute appears to go beyond the scope of a traditional AfD discussion and could benefit from review by admins. Newyorkbrad 19:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:LEGAL violation, no? | Mr. Darcy talk 19:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just going to say, it looks like that's the case. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the situation is confusing (someone in Australia might have an easier time figuring out who the players are), but I think that User:Stswp is commenting to the effect that someone else might take legal action, not making a legal threat of his own. Newyorkbrad 20:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Calltech has recommended deletion for all 3 articles until the legal situation is resolved, a suggestion I heartily concur with. While User:Stswp has adopted a rather confrontational and imperious manner, I don't think he's yet crossed the line into legal threats. It's a close thing though, and he might go over at any moment...Doc  Tropics  20:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Legal battles are irrelevant here. Even if some of these companies will be banned from using this name, we will still have legal rigths to write "formerly known as..." or "erroneously known as...", or else. And of course, this is an absolutely invalid reason for deletion, but a reason to write these articles very carefully. `'mikkanarxi 21:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't really grok the rambling legalese on this AfD. And I'm not sure we should pay any attention to it until any contention of trademark infringement on the part of the Wikimedia Foundation or of any Wikipedia user is presented in a more coherent fashion by someone actually representing one of the parties in this apparent dispute. Meanwhile, we should just go on with the AfDs, delete OpenPBX by Voicetronix and OpenPBX.org as failing WP:CORP/WP:SOFT and forget about it for now. Sandstein 22:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Robert Priddy - this section moved here from WP:AIV

 * Andries is a self-professed critic of Sathya Sai Baba and said he will continue to revert the Robert Priddy article despite specifically being warned by Admin to stop . Since the time of Admin's warning, he included the link in defiance of Admin and the Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba 4 times, 3 times today so far. See: . I have placed 4 warnings on his talk page. SSS108 talk-email 18:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Following the same way of reasoning linking to the homepage of Michael Moore in that article is a violation of WP:BLP because it is defamatory of George W. Bush. Clearly that is exaggerated. Andries 18:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Content pertaining to Sathya Sai Baba is governed by an ArbCom ruling. Therefore, the ArbCom ruling trumps arguments made on other pages that are not governed by an ArbCom ruling. You have been warned by admin about this and you continue to defy Admin and the ArbCom Ruling and you have no intention on stopping. SSS108 talk-email 19:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I also complained at the Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement Andries 19:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Bad username

 * 20:11, 10 December 2006 Lukasadmin (Talk | contribs) (New user account)

WP:UN states that a username  'that impl[ies] an official role or a role greater than that of a standard user, such as "Administrator", "Admin", "System operator", "Sysop", or "Moderator"'  is forbidden.

Cheers, Yuser31415 20:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Dealt with. Viridae Talk 21:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

User:VirtualEye's suden scomment stream.
I am concerned about these comments of 's: Neither me nor user:Kitzke are involved with Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy in any significant way (I corrected a link, he reverted vandalism), and it seems we are intent on remaining so. VirtualEye comments (and general attitudes) are definitely worrying me, though. Circeus 21:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * Yes I was thinking that this user's message could be cause for concern as well. So far though there's nothing that would appear to need adminstrator intervention as this user has yet to be disruptive (as far as I can tell). 22:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Vanessa Minnillo Board
I've been trying to get an editor over to the Vanessa Minnillo board to help with a dispute. In the most recent article of Maxim magazine, Vanessa Minnillo stated she was white and polynesian. People at her board are insistent on saying she is in fact filipino attaching it to sources that have never been identified as reliable. According to the rules of wikipedia, because the interview has proved to be the best source and is the most recent article with Vanessa's actual testements, it makes no sense why they are trying to force her as filipino. 71.138.141.230 21:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved from Wikipedia talk:Administrator intervention against vandalism.  Nish kid 64  21:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)