Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive158

Use of non-standard templates on guideline pages.
User:Elonka has been adding a nonstandard template to Naming conventions (television) which, when viewing the page, looks identical to disputedpolicy, but is not, most noticably because it does not link the page to Category:Accuracy disputes as the original does. It seems deceptive to make it appear to page viewers that the guideline is in dispute, yet keep it out of the appropriate category as the template is in part meant to do. While there is an active ArbCom hearing on matters discussed on the talk page, there has been no consensus in discussion to declare the guideline in dispute, using a genuine or ad hoc dispute template. (The hearing does not dispute the guideline, only the matter of exceptions to it. See Requests for arbitration/Naming Conventions.) She has done this a minimum of four times.   -- BlueSquadron Raven  22:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's pretty clear that if a dispute has proceeded all the way to ArbCom accepting a case, that there is, in fact, a dispute.As such, it is appropriate to notate that guideline as being in dispute, and it is disruptive to repeatedly remove the dispute tag.                --Elonka 22:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The dispute tag itself says that it should only be added by consensus decision.Isn't any unilateral editing of an active guideline disruptive, especially when it becomes a revert war, and especially when that edit is one that says the guideline is disputed (which you have said you believe means the guideline shouldn't be followed)?--Milo H Minderbinder 23:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * To be accurate: the television naming guideline is not disputed by consensus. A subset of the guideline, the implementation of pre-emptive (and thus currently unnecessary) disambiguation in episode article titles-- contrary to the established WP:DAB guideline-- has become a ongoing campaign of a handful of editors, of which Elonka is the principal advocate. Progressively insistent attempts by a small cadre to carve out an exception to Wikipedia-wide standards does not throw a current guideline into "dispute", as Elonka claims above. -- LeflymanTalk 01:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The dispute is about how to use the guideline. So issues such as moving articles to fit the guideline, whether or not to allow exceptions...etc. The guideline itself is not disputed - no one's asking for the actual guideline to be changed. The entire debate is about how the guideline is applied.

This tends to result in a beautiful circular argument in Elonka's favour. By adding the dispute tag, it causes people to remove it, causing a bit of an edit war on the guideline page. This results in discussion on the talk about whether the guideline is disputed. Elonka then points to the edito war and the discussion and says "oh look, of course there's a dispute." -- `/aksha 01:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I will remind everyone at this point that this listing is not about the use of a dispute tag, but of the use of a fake dispute tag. -- BlueSquadron Raven  08:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Speaking in general, one of the purposes of templates and tags is a form of standardization. It is generally accepted on WP:TFD and WP:RT that if you don't like the way a template looks or is worded, you should edit it (or discuss changes on its talk page) rather than "forking off" a variant template. Such templates tend to end up on TFD, where the outcome is almost invariably to merge it back or delete it. ( Radiant ) 12:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Proof of WP:SOCK account
If you look at the most recent archive for this page, there was a section on User:BooyakaDell being a sockpuppet of banned/indefblocked user User:JB196. There is a RFC on him, and it was brought up in the RfC that he is adding external information written by JB196 (confirmed in an AFD at [] to articles such as Christopher Daniels [] and Xtreme Pro Wrestling [] (please note the article's talk page where JB196 was the ONLY one to fight for that "Article"'s inclusion. Combined with the prior information in the WP:AN/I it's in the archive here [] Report, it links the account, and confirms that the BooyakaDell account is a WP:SOCK to get around User:JB196's ban. SirFozzie 22:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it doesn't prove that I am a "sockpuppet." This is not the first unsubstantiated conclusion that you claim to have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.. Does the Daniels page help your case? Sure, but it doesn't prove it. Does the XPW page help your case? Perhaps slightly, but not nearly as much as the Daniels page considering I was simply reverting a removed link on the XPW page. As far as the Daniels page, what I did was add a reference to an article, and I explained in the Requests for Comment section how I knew who the author was.BooyakaDell 02:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, JB (I'm not pretending any more), Only YOU have used that "article" for anything, and you caused a great amount of disruption on the XPW page when you put it on there before (just look at the talk page, admins, if you don't doubt me). There was no reason for you to add that link to any article, unless you are exactly what you are, a sockpuppet account to get around your ban SirFozzie 03:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said in my above edit, "it doesn't prove that I am a 'sockpuppet.'"BooyakaDell 03:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * JB, As I said before, there are only two accounts that referenced "Bleeding Was Only Half the Job" as a PRIMARY source in an article. JB196, and BooyakaDell. It was MIGHTY foolish of you to put that in, when you had a big ol "This account is believed to be a sockpuppet of user:JB196 on your page.If you had come back openly, and promised that you weren't gonna backslide into your old habits, I'm pretty sure they would have lifted the ban. Instead, you tried to sneak in the back door, and go right back to your typical actions. Take your deserved lumps. SirFozzie 03:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As I have said, I am not the user who was "JB196" and your post while you make good points "doesn't prove that I am a 'sockpuppet'."BooyakaDell 03:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This has started an edit war on Xtreme Pro Wrestling with the link being removed as not a WP:RS and WP:OR, before the thing spirals out of control, can an admin look in on it? SirFozzie 16:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

More offensive usernames for you to block
Yuser31415 reporting for duty ...

For your blocking pleasure, I have been sifting through the new user log:


 * 06:45, 15 December 2006 Shitty McDouche
 * 06:33, 15 December 2006 Kirbott
 * 06:26, 15 December 2006 Spiritroll
 * 06:20, 15 December 2006 SIEG HEIL! HEIL HITLER! HEIL NATIONALSOZIALISMUS!
 * 06:16, 15 December 2006 Daniel Hitler
 * 06:15, 15 December 2006 Checkusers are Checkuseless when I\'m on an OPEN PROXY! =)
 * 06:14, 15 December 2006 The North Korean Communism Vandal from the Korean Wikipedia
 * 06:05, 15 December 2006 Bullmeister
 * 06:03, 15 December 2006 Give up! A BOT IS BLOCKING YOU! YOU CAN\'T WIN!!
 * 06:01, 15 December 2006 Jimbo Donal von...... HITLER!!!!!!!
 * 05:58, 15 December 2006 Glen S is the King of Mount Asswipe
 * 05:56, 15 December 2006 Glen S? More like Glen ASS. Glen S is a Glen Asshole.
 * 05:35, 15 December 2006 Dibo is a cocksucker
 * 05:34, 15 December 2006 Mount Fuckstick
 * 05:29, 15 December 2006 Anti the bullheaded

(I haven't checked if _all_ of these have been blocked yet.)

Cheers, Yuser31415 07:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just report blatant username violation to WP:AIV, unless there's something controversial or with discussing about them. By the way, what's wrong with Kirbott and Bullmeister? Unless I missed something blazingly obvious... -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I will report them in a moment. Bullmeister is okay, but wouldn't Kirbott imply a bot account? Just off to WP:AIV now. Cheers! Yuser31415 07:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't think so personally. It has two ts, for one, and has nothing that really points it to meaning "Bot". Bott alsoseems to be a surname, though it's not even separated in this username. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine then. Cheers! Yuser31415 07:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a heads up: Requests for comment/User names is a better place to post stuff like this. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 16:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Next time, sift through the block log too. Most of these were blocked a minute or less after they were created. Reporting already blocked usernames is a waste of everyone's time, no matter where its done. "I haven't checked if _all_ of these have been blocked yet." - You really should. pschemp | talk 16:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

unblock request
Alkivar indefblocked for repeated improper uploading of images. I think that's silly, if not vindictive. He persists, so I bring it here for more discussion. I say we unblock and teach. Agree? - crz crztalk 08:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you bother to read this users talk page? Repeatedly blanks warning messages off her page. Persisted in uploading copyrighted publicity photos as GFDL-Self or CC-by-SA. There is absolutely ZERO tolerance for repeated copyright violations per jimbo:
 * We need to deal with such activities with absolute harshness, no mercy, because this kind of plagiarism is 100% at odds with all of our core principles. All admins are invited to block any and all similar users on sight. Be bold. If someone takes you to ArbCom over it, have no fear. We must not tolerate plagiarism in the least. --Jimbo Wales 04:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no need nor intention to be vindictive, but at the same time, we can not tolerate plagiarism. Let me say quite firmly that for me, the legal issues are important, but far far far more important are the moral issues. We want to be able, all of us, to point at Wikipedia and say: we made it ourselves, fair and square.--Jimbo Wales 15:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This is about as open and shut by the book a block as can be done.  ALKIVAR &trade; &#x2622; 08:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Totally uninvoved, that comment seemed a little strongly worded for the question, considering he's not the one doing it and he'd asking before doing something rather then after. 68.39.174.238 08:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support block, this is clearly someone with no intention but to deceive and breach policy  Glen   08:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Suppported. No reason to allow repeat violators who know what they're doing to continue. – Chacor 08:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good block, the only difficulty for a fair unblock review is that even admins can't see a list of a user's deleted contributions :-( Kusma (討論) 09:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In cases like this, the upload log still works. - Bobet 11:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Endorse block, we should review it again iff the user gives a categorical undertaking not to repeat the problematic behaviour. Guy (Help!) 11:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Endorse as well.As I just blocked someone earlier this week for similar activities (who is now unblocked after they promised to mend their ways), no reason to let someone continue uploading images with incorrect tags (malicious or benign).I have no objection though to "teach and then unblock" or "I really really really swear I won't upload an image again until I display an understanding of copyright" (which I am not sure I'm getting from their unblock message). Syrthiss 14:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Endorse block, Alkivar is right on the money here.In many ways, copyright violations are much more dangerous than simple vandalism (which we routinely block indefinitely for).-- Cyde Weys 14:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Either all of you are too tough, or I am way too soft. Thanks. - crz crztalk 17:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I'm routinely pretty tough, so being soft helps balance me out. /evil Syrthiss 17:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Endorse block as well.Not only has this person uploaded several images (album covers, music video screenshots, promotional photographs) with the comment "I made this myself!", but she has also added cc-by-2.5 tags to unsourced copyright images that other people have uploaded as well.The upload log only serves as a partial indicator of the problems caused. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 17:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

AUFORN
I have created a new entry to Wikipedia. The article is "AUFORN" The contents of the article have been deleted by a vandal and instead of the contents, there is a redirection to "Disclosure Project" article. I have put back the contents of the article but feel that it will be deleted again. I have also added a logo (AUFORNLogo.png). I feel that too will be deleted by the vandal. Side note: Before setting up this AUFORN article, I went to an article named "Australian UFOlogy". I added factual information (i.e. prominent ufologist) to the article, but to my dismay, it was deliberately deleted the next day ! The following is the History log on this event:

08:14, 15 December 2006 Lucasbfr (Talk | contribs) m (Reverted 4 edits by 58.106.74.164 (talk) to last revision (94276118) by TimMU using VP2)

My user ID is Mantom555

Help. thanks.

Mantom555 13:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this isn't vandalism.Please read WP:OWN; when you create and article you have to expect other editors will come along and change it or possibly question what you've written, especially if you don't have reliable sources.from what I see your original entries to Australian UFOlogy were reverted by an editor who believed they went against wikipedia's guidelines on external links(and I'd have to agree with him particularly in the case of the Amazon links).You changed AUFORN from a redirct to an article, and someone reverted it back to the redirect, which isn't the same as deleting it.Another editor added a tag to the article expressing an opinion that the article doesn't adequately establish the notability of the group and you removed the tag without comment; technically removing the tag could be considered vandalism, though assuming good faith as a new editor you didn't know that.The article is currently listed for a discussion on articles for deletion.I recommend you go there and try to establish how this group is notable and how it can be verified from reliable sources.--Isotope23 14:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Mynameisjimothy
..and sock User:Oie423. Indefblocked them for creating attack page Dan Lifshatz (second block with autoblock switched on). --Ligulem 13:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:22113letitsnow
Umm.. I think might have misunderstood the intention of a "discussion" page.It looks like a group of people are using that account for conducting their very own discussion forum :).

I assume that's not on? Chovain 14:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * -	Yeah, that's not Kosher. Go ahead and leave them a warning, Chovain, and I'll keep my eye on it. Their contribs seem to indicate no activity outside of that talk page, so if they don't start doing actual editing after your warning, we'll take it to the next step. A Train take the 14:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed their MySpace-like chat from their Talkpage. I think this may be a sockpuppet of Beccaboo 06 from a month ago. As per policy, Wikipedia is NOT a chatroom. I'm starting to think they were ordered by Taylor Kitsch and/or Steven Strait to vandalize, but now I'm thinking that was a stupid idea to think. I suggest blocking 22113letitsnow indefinitely if they aren't planning on using Wikipedia for constructive edits. --WTGDMan1986 (D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams) 14:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * WTGDMan1986, will you PLEASE! stop blaming vandalism on actors, TV show characters, WWE wrestlers, people you knew in school, etc??It's getting really old and annoying and you've been warned about it in the past.Metros232 14:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

This has been going on for a few weeks ... I can't remember what the last account was where I saw this. I think someone brought it up on the Village Pump. Anyway, same style, same names of the "chatters." | Mr. Darcy talk 15:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Proof that they're playing with Wikipedia: kim: yet again. we get another name thingy. Not really sure how to handle this other than blocking the various accounts for having multiple users under one name (which I've just done User:A Train just did to this one). | Mr. Darcy talk 15:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with the block. IMHO, an account that is so obviously being used for a chat client (i.e. no actual article contributions just talkpage chat) could be indef'd without warning. Make them justify why they should be allowed to keep an account.--Isotope23 15:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, there's pretty solid precedent for blocking accounts that have no history of legitimate use. The kids were warned that they needed to started actually editing and they didn't. I'm sure their teachers would thank us. A Train take the 15:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Indef and let them explain if they want to.Considering they are implying they are making a new account I don't see the need for anything other than zero tolerance.I've protected their talk page. Syrthiss 15:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Abusive sockpuppet
It appears that we may have an abusive sockpuppeteer who's "vote" stacked on several afd's. Because this is an issue of proxy accounts, I have brought this matter to AN/I rather than SSP. It is documented here. The puppetmaster, Rough appears to have used several proxy servers: A throwaway account: And one other sock: The users have a history of similar interests in Roberta Beach Jacobson. These users twice were successful staving off deletion, , although on both of those, it was deleted anyway, and one admin admitted it was a poor decision to keep it. Rough seems to have a history of not telling all the facts, making dubious claims , and creating articles about his own company then "voting" in their afd. Because Rough has been with us for a while, we should be very careful with any action taken, but I thought that I should bring this notice here (in fact, User:Rough may himself be a sock of a previous or current user). I'll leave it up to others to decide. -Patstuarttalk 14:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:200.106.170.4
 * User:213.42.21.78 (do not block, it's the UAE server that often gets trojan horse'd)
 * User:87.203.140.24
 * User:207.195.254.11 (see to see this user's loveable character)
 * User:Bessielil
 * User:Youtrue

Where are the administrators at Arbcom incident board?
I posted a notice yesterday and have still yet to see an administrator deal with it. Please do so! --ScienceApologist 15:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

IDF barnstar?!
We have a IDF barnstar? Can I create a OBL or Hamas barnstar? Or should the IDF barnstar be deleted? What is the correct course of action? --Striver 07:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The IDF isn't an internationally recognized terrorist organization. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 07:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And you need not create an OBL or Hamas barnstar because you already have the following on your user page:
 * An Islamic sword helping to symbolize Islam, the Religion of Peace.
 * An unabashed image displaying a US serviceman sitting on an Arab as a blanket statement about all Americans.
 * A pentagram hexagram drawn on an American national seal - an obvious "Jewish conspiracy" insinuation.
 * Numerous intolerant, anti-Masonite images and links.
 * Miscellaneous inflammatory links. notably: --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 07:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I must admit, your userpage is stepping rather firmly on the line between offensive and acceptable.--Vercalos 07:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Errr....a pentagram has 5 points, not 6. And since when has the pyramid been an American seal? Why is the picture of the serviceman a statement on all Americans? Maybe it's just a statement on those who take photos of themselves sitting on prisoners? The sword is an important symbol of shia islam (it's compared to excalibur in the description page). Anyway, your argument is ad-hominem. We're discussing the IDF barnstar (which I find totally acceptable, by the way. I'm sure there are dozens of US Army inspired barnstars out there), not Striver's userpage. yandman  08:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My mistake; I completely missed the "Jewish conspiracy" insinuations. Thanks for pointing that out. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 08:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Right... we are discussing the IDF barnstar, and you're really jumping to conclusions with quite a few things. For example, the purpose of the hexagram is to show the connection between the letters that spell MASON. Also, I'm sure you're aware of your sardonic use of Religion of Peace. Anyway, in regards to the IDF barnstar, I don't see it as a problem. They're a military defense organization, not a terrorist group that targets certain groups of people. --  tariq abjotu  11:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That being said... another name would have been better since the Israeli Defense Force doesn't really seem relevant to the barnstar itself (it's not like it's for contributing to articles related to the IDF). --  tariq abjotu  11:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Errr...I'm pretty sure I said the seal was American, not the symbol of the pyramid. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 08:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and my 07:08 one-liner was a devestating refutation - the rest is ad-hominem, but only in response to Can I create a OBL or Hamas barnstar?--Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 08:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would certainly support renaming and redisigning the barnstar so that it is less explicitly POV, but to a certain extent that it up to the members of the wikiproject.If you think that it is inflammatory the best course is to nominate it for deletion at WP:MfD rather than creating another problematic one (see WP:POINT).Eluchil404 07:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The barnstar has no likeness to actual IDF logos and there is no Star of David. It is arguably less POV than any barnstar containing a symbol that represents Israel/the Jewish people. What precedent would you like to set? --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 08:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Based on this discussion and the attacks against Striver, the IDF barnstar is very divisive. - Lapinmies 08:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but that premise doesn't make any sense. It's a total non sequitur. This discussion, and "attacks" on Striver have nothing to do with wether a barnstar is acceptable or not. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 08:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lapinmies, I tend to disagree. The majority of the discussion is about how disruptive Striver is. The barnstar itself doesn't seem to be a problem. Doc  Tropics  08:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * People are so passionate about that barnstar that they have to start making accusations against Striver because he brought it up. This is why I say it is divisive. - Lapinmies 09:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Who's passionate about it? I think it looks poorly made, but poorly made doesn't mean it's offensive. Striver should just stop calling the kettle black - and stop disrupting for that matter. He hasn't even bothered to participate in this discussion. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 09:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The IDF barnstar is a fine way to reward those who are here as soldiers of Israel (as opposed to being here to make Wikipedia into an accurate and balanced encyclopedia). --Zerotalk 08:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of barnstars that are used figuratively. It's not like anti-vandal barnstars are only for people with black surveillance vans and satellite uplinks. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 09:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The discussion of the Wikiproject page says that the IDF barnstar was created since most Israelis would recognize the distinctive shoulder bars since Israeli armed forces service is compulsory making it extremely common in Israel. I find nothing offensive about it existing. Despite what the IDF might have done, it is no worse than having US army type awards or userboxes on Wikipedia. If we remove the IDF, we'll be on a slippery slope to removing all presumably militant-themed awards and userboxes. Gdo01 09:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I certainly don't disagree with you on those grounds, I'm just saying that it isn't required to be as literal as Zero is maybe suggesting. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 09:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It'd be simpler and more neutral if all project awards were named for their project. This award is being given by WikiProject Israel. Just call it "Israel Barnstar". -Will Beback · † · 09:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Having this barnstar apply to any Israel-related contributions, and not specifically to the Israeli military, is absurd, and the barnstar below it advertised as "for Israel's defenders" similarly makes it seem that this WikiProject seeks to advance or protect particular interests, rather than write a neutral encyclopedia. (Would someone contributing to articles about American universities ever be given a "U.S. Army barnstar"? is the "Bagel of Zion" only available if you create articles full of praise?). —Centrx→talk &bull; 09:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but they might be given a very generic looking mascot barnstar for working on a university project. So I agree with you in the sense that an IDF barnstar for any contribution is absurd, but I don't think an IDF barnstar for general Israeli projects is inappropriate. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 09:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The description of the barnstar is "The IDF Barnstar is given to Wikipedians who have made extensive contributions to Israel related articles on Wikipedia." It doesn't mention anything about the military. -Will Beback · † · 09:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I'm saying it doesn't have to per the aforementioned. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 10:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that the only way someone would have a problem with the barnstar is if they didn't like the IDF...Where exactly does the barnstar actually pus POV?All I see is 'exstensive contributions'.I have nothing to do with the project, Israel, or the middle east, so I don't have any problem with the barnstar..It'd be one thing if the barnstar was for something patently offensive, such as the KKK or the Nazi party, but it's the IDF, and the only place the IDF is found to be offensive is by those currently hostile to Israel....--Vercalos 09:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I totally disagree w/ people exchanging IDF barnstars as per Centrex and Zero. As for Striver's userpage, it is another issue which cannot be discussed using ad-hominem arguments. This is supposed to be a neutral encyclopaedia guys! Are you fighting here militarly Haizum to defend Israel? If it is the case than we got a serious problem here. --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  10:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not complicated. I only brought up Striver's userpage when he asked if he could make a UBL or Hamas barnstar. To be even more clear, he wanted to make something offensive - I explained that his user page was already offensive. Just drop it already. As for me, I'm using logic. I don't actively participate in any Israeli projects, I'm not known to, and I don't intend to. So, if you want to point POV fingers, direct them at the guy that has a sword of Islam on his user page. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 10:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

(to Vercalos) I know a user here who witnessed his friend being killed by the IDF. Would you mind if I created a PLO barnstar? Khoikhoi 10:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me explain to you why this is an admission of POV. The IDF embraces a moral and peaceful ideal on the official level. Accidents happen, people make mistakes, but the goal of the IDF is peace, not war. Your statement. by virtue of deductive logic, shows that you believe all deaths at the hands of the IDF are wrong/evil/bad and are never by accident or in legitimate defense of Israel. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 10:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The very fact that this image now forces us to discuss whether the IDF is "good" or "bad" shows how divisive it is. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't legitimize the bias - the morality of the IDF is not up for discussion. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 10:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Can we all try and avoid "The Userbox Wars 2 - The Return" please? yandman 10:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should avoid creating offensive barnstars. Khoikhoi 10:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd be in favour of getting rid of this. The whole old "barnstar of national merit" idea is suspect too - as Wikipedians, we are simply not supposed to act with the motive of promoting the interests of a particular nation. But this one is particularly bad, with its implied reference to "defending" the interests of one particular nation, and to military violence as a means of achieving this. The image clearly alludes to military organisation, and the filename is part of the message too. If this was technically a template and not just an image it would certainly have been speedied under T1 long ago. I'd say that images designed primarily or exclusively for quasi-userbox purposes should fall under the same criteria as userbox templates proper. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe just implement the German userbox barnstar solution for this type of barnstar? yandman  10:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why it is so difficult to create a different Barnstar to award for excellent Israeli-related contributions but simply a less contoversial one. Issues aside, this will cause flames. And there is no reason for extra inflammation. --Irpen 11:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC
 * I feel sorry for people that have such a timid outlook on the world. Controversy does not mean there is something legitimate to controverse; in this case, we're talking about pixels on a screen. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 12:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We do encourage anyone to contribute to the encyclopaedia and we do have plenty of barnstars as rewards. The point is that Israel-related articles are not limited to the IDF. The IDF (be it bad or good) got a military connotation. There's nothing wrong at all to present Jewish/Islamic/Christian barnstars as they cover thousands of articles but the IDF? --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  11:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Addendum... Israel Defense ForceS are defending Israel on the ground but what are they defending here? --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  11:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

OMG, maybe, just maybe the IDF barnstar is sometimes being used figuratively. OMG, ever consider that? I mean, it's not like editors are literally receiving little metal stars in the mail. WOOOOOOW, that just dawned on me! --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 12:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it. My ancestors slaved in the barnstar factories, and my father was killed by a falling barnstar. I'm offended by their usage. Why can't we just say "Thanks for being a great editor on this project. Three cheers!" instead of using such a sharp, and offensive object such as the barnstar? --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 12:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand what you mean but that doesn't give objective answers to my questions Haizum. --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  12:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Editors that strengthen project Israel articles with reputable and verifiable content, and defend them from vandalism, rogue edits, and unsourced material are IDF barnstar worthy in my opinion. --Haizum  μολὼν λαβέ 12:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok! --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  12:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think its quite funny that you guys are taking this serious, has anyone actually looked at Strivers edit history, this is what he does, start drama. Anyway the idea that the barnstar be given for anything doesn't make sense, but me giving a barnstar for the wrong reason does not delegitimize the barnstar itself. Wouldnt the simple answer be to revise the banstar text instead of deleting since it will just be recreated with the new more acceptable text anyway? Also this whole issue over "defense" meaning defending Jewish ideals is insane considering it most likely means defending articles against vandalism, takes some bad assumption of faith to assume its for ideological reasons. --Nuclear Zer0 13:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. You got to the right point. So it is set as a counter-vandalism award! Who are those vandals? Palestinians or wikivandals? Does this barnstar concern non-Israeli fighting against vandalism at Israel-related articles? What is the use of barnstars that are givenw/ restriction? As for Striver's userpage, i personally have concerns about it as well and would argue against many things used on the userpage. I've just blocked a new user 2 days earlier for having anti-Jewish quotes (according to what he explained, they were only quotes stated by others. Ummm!) Again, what i am defending here is keeping this place clean of troubles especially between contributors working on heated articles. --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  13:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What does this have to do with Palestinians? --Nuclear Zer0 19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The IDF barnstar is a stupid and ridiculously POV barnstar, and ought to go (I suggest any admins to speedy the thing right away). And, for that matter, so should all the Muslim barnstars which are distributed as often as a way of saying "thanks for pushing our Muslim POV" rather than "thanks for helping out the Muslim articles". And so should the LGBT barnstar or any other barnstar which is a subtle way of saying, "thanks for the POV pushing". And, finally, Haizum is right, Striver, your userpage is incredibly offensive. You might have a point about a bad barnstar, but this is a case of WP:POT if I ever saw one. -Patstuarttalk 16:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes great and who gets to judge why a barnstar is given, anyone cited as not being given for the right reasons is going to look like a violation of WP:AGF. Why is the barnstar POV again? because you personally think some people are given it for pushnig a POV instead of just contributing to articles. Who cares if its a Isreali article or not, If I give a friend a star of David for a gift for doing something nice for me, does that mean something more then it just being a thank you? It is what it is, just because you can imagine grave circumstances in which its used for a more horrible reason, doesnt mean it actually is.
 * Patstuart, you could not be on all counts any more correct. All such awards must be deleted, IDF, Muslim, LGBT or otherwise. Who gets to decide? Hmm, who gets to decide everything else? Our standard should be, if any substantial minority of editors thinks it POV, delete. Barnstars are not sufficiently compelling to preserve in the face of controversy.Proabivouac 11:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

--Nuclear Zer0 19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ... wow, Striver is even more offensive than I am. Anyway, I think that a barnstar for WikiProject Israel is a good idea. But linking it to the IDF is probably not very smart. I understand that a lot of people support Israel and the IDF as only reacting to terrorism, but I can't see any reason why the barnstar should identify with the IDF or use that kind of styling. As for the assertion that the only people who find the IDF offensive are Israel's enemies, I cannot agree. I personally feel that both sides have stepped over the line far to many times to be taken at face value anymore. -- Elar  a  girl  Talk 16:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps linking to IDF is overboard, perhaps the people who use it will accept the keeping fo the style just redirecting of the link. --Nuclear Zer0 19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Durova and myself have just left a message at Stiver's talk page urging him to do some GOOD CLEANUP to his userpage.I believe this kind of stuff SHOULD stop so nobody would argue anymore. It's just too silly to hear stuff like ohh, jacko got a puppy, i want one too or he does shit on the floor, why not me?!. I hope there would be no need to follow WP:IAR. I also hope this would help wikipedia. --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  17:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Striver left me a very respectful reply and cleared his userpage.I'd like to add that there appears to be some merit to his complaint even though I would have expressed the thought much differently.Most national merit barnstars are rather bland.I've given one to Yannismarou for several featured articles about Greek history.Since a reference to the IDF does carry POV overtones, how about bringing that barnstar more into line with the norm? Durova Charg e!  20:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Overly controversial, should be edited. Nothing wrong with a barnstar for Israel or IDF articles, but it shouldn't be a military symbol for a controversial military. Consider this - we should certainly have a barnstar for Soviet Union or WWII Germany related edits, but it should not be a Soviet or German military symbol. (desperately trying to avoid Godwin's Law, but darn it, it's the most appropriate comparison). AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course we need a WikiProject Israel barnstar, but i don't understand why it needs to be related to the countries armed forces. And i am not afraid of Godwin's Law. If anyone is interested, i could fix a proposed neutral Israeli barnstar, and im sure the Israeli wikipedians would love it, or at least like it. --Striver 19:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. The former is perfectly fine, the latter is Nazi. And where is my IDF contributions award? (rhetorical: answer is over here). El_C 19:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What military is not controversial ... if you mean controversial as someone doesn't like them. --Nuclear Zer0 19:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't believe the 300-solider Military of Vanuatu is particularly controversial (at least not since the 1996 VMF coup attempt). El_C 19:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * this is perfectly fine and neutral, a nice barnstar for a real topic, no "you are in the IDF to defend WikiPedia against... " non-sense.--Striver 19:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Have the people receiving the barnstar been called to serve in Israel? probably not. So what exactly is your point then? --Nuclear Zer0 19:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This discussion has gone way off point. The topic was not about the IDF Award, but if Striver could make an OBL or Hamas one. The answer, obviously, is no. Further, a quick look at Striver's edit history will show a ridiculous amount of POV edits that push an anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying agenda, particluarly here. In this case, any talk of WP:AGF or the like will just come across to me as so much WP:bullshit. There's no reason that I see to afford Striver anymore stage time than he has already received. Please close this discussion so we can go back to creating an encyclopedia. Jeffpw 19:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. ←Humus sapiens ну? 22:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Since we are not affiliated with the IDF, I think we should not use this name. I agree with Elaragirl and I hope we all will agree that there is nothing wrong with defending Israel from POV attacks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The main goal of the Barnstar of National Merit, when I created it, was that it was awarded for articles on nations (not a specific one), since nations usually give out medals for doing deeds for it. This was, hopefully, going to be used instead of nation awards, as what the Wikiprojects were doing. But, the Wikiprojects made their own awards, so I just noded and moved away. As for this specific Barnstar, I would really like for it not only to avoid using the IDF connection, but I would really think we should change the design. I state this because the central emblem of the award is a Wikipedia logo, under a copyright license. I do not think we can make it PD at all, so I would suggest replacing the logo with something else (maybe a puzzle piece). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed the Wikipedia logo from the image due to your concerns. I believe it's good now. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I totally agree w/ Humus last comment. I also like the IDF barnstar awarded to el Jefe. So i suggest keeping this barnstar in question solely for IDF-related articles. --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  11:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Other than the copyright issues I would be somewhat more worried about Image:Bagel of Zion.jpg which is aparently for "Israel's defenders to remember not to edit on empty stomach" I feel some work on pharaseing may be in order.Geni 11:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am fully responsible for that one (both img & joke). I don't see anything wrong with it, but YMMV. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * defending a country is inherently POV.Geni 11:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Be careful with generalizations. Anything can be NPOV if done properly. There is nothing "inherently POV" about defending a certain WP area from from POV attacks, slander and demonization. ←Humus sapiens ну? 19:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have changed the caption to "defenders of NPOV coverage": . ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Please note they are not barnstars but 'Wikiproject Awards', there is a difference between WP:BARN and WP:WPPA. Now whether they have gone through WP:BAP is another issue, but let's try to avoid to much bureaucracy...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Spam accounts from a few months back not spam accounts?
It was recently brought to my attention that several accounts that were blocked after being reported here for spamming, were merely accounts for students for a professor showing them how to edit Wikipedia. He is requesting that the accounts are unblocked, so I just thought I'd bring this here to see if that sounds alright. Cowman109 Talk 21:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the proof that the person you are in communication with is, indeed, a professor?Have they emailed you from a school email address?User:Zoe|(talk) 21:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've seen some similar cases, including one where clearly a class of students were all creating usernames and articles at a professor's instructions, all of which then had to be tagged and deleted. Apparently that professor's instructions also included ignoring warning messages. Even if this professor is real, it appears that he believes that (a) he is free to use Wikipedia as scratch paper for his class work, and (b) he somehow has the right to dictate policy. IMO he is entitled to demand absolutely nothing. Fan-1967 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I'm ignoring the harsh tone of his note of course; I'm just seeing if people think something should be done, or whether to ask that the students simply create new accounts. Cowman109 Talk 22:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The account blocks where the result of clear spamming. Whether the spammers were students or not is beside the point. I don't see where the professor ever explains why they did it or why the accounts should be unblocked. I do note that the tone of the note is uncivil. -Will Beback · † · 22:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cranky, isn't he? Those definitely look like spamming, so I'd say good blocks unless he comes up with a better reasoning than "this was unjust so fix it" (not to mention the impolite comment about Cowman109's username). This professor seems to be quite interested in Wikipedia, judging from the course outline for one of his classes; note the 'paper assignment' involved. Tony Fox (arf!) 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger". Maybe we could just eat crow and tell the guy we're sorry, it won't happen again, but you'll need to create new accounts, and make abundantly clear on the user page what's going on, and no external linking. But from now on, remember it's a private encyclopedia, and we have every right to ban you own sight for any reason we choose, so please be careful with your tone. Sometimes the humble road is the better one. Patstuarttalk 22:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would we want to say that if it's not true?If they behave in the same manner, the same action will still be performed.User:Zoe|(talk) 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, if this is just for practice and educational purposes, he could teach them to link to any site (yahoo.com, for example). Why is it so important for them to be able to add his site to a Wikipedia article? That part sounds a little suspicious. Fan-1967 22:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've responded to this.Cowman109, you should of course feel free to unblock those accounts if you think that they are likely to make helpful contributions to Wikipedia, but my suspicion is that taking no action here is probably better.Jkelly 22:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I love how somebody called User:Damis is complaining about somebody using a "ridiculous pseudonym".User:Zoe|(talk) 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, perhaps someone should unblock the student accounts, and then block their professor for incivility. :) Newyorkbrad 23:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I added unsigned2 as he didn't bother to sign his post. I am strongly considering posting a link to NPA on his talk page for his " hidding behind this ridiculous pseudonym" post on Cowman's page. If the individual owners of the accounts wish to be unblocked, they should post unblock on their pages and be reviewed. I see no reason why we should go out-of-process to satisfy Damis, who cannot even be bothered to be civil. One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua?!? 00:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think someone should point this person to one of the places that you can set up a wiki for free.(wikia.com?) That would likely suit his needs better then a sandbox or some-such. ---J.S(T/C) 00:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * One of his stated course objectives is to understand "the mechanisms and ideas that make this revolution possible".One of those mechanisms for Wikipedia is the ability to block users who violate policiesagainst things like spamming.It might be pointed out to him that when you attempt a "real world" experiment, the results you get are the results you get.His students learned that if a bunch of accounts add the same external link to Wikipedia, you get blocked.It's still data.I'm only being half-snarky here -- he's not being very intellectually rigorous.As J.S notes, if he wants a controlled experiment/experience he should set up his own wiki.If he wants a real world one, he should accept the results. Dina 01:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * May I suggest you post that observation on his talk page, Dina? KillerChihuahua?!? 01:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

(Done) 69.4.153.248 02:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I reverted the copying of this ANI report to his talk page with the snide remark at the bottom - there is no reason to inflame matters further - he's already been told that there is an ANI report here and he can be directed to it if there's any question, but if discussions are occurring in multiple different places then things get needlessly difficult. Cowman109 Talk 02:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I support your revert, I'm not sure that helped anything.I did take KillerChihuahua's suggestion and post my thoughts on his talk page.I mean, it's not like a class that teaches students "to become Wikipedia editors" is a bad idea -- it's his methods, not his goals that are the issue here.Dina 04:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with both the revert of the paste-and-comment and Dina's post. I support teaching about Wikipedia; it is a pity the Professor didn't bother to learn anything about the WP:RULES prior to attempting to teach it. KillerChihuahua?!? 12:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia the Guinea pig (hey, how come there is no article on Guinea pig meaning test subject).Oh, we did this in a class, too, my introduction to Wikipedia.The professor was amazed (and eventually pleased) that all you punk editors reverted our nonsense and deleted our accounts--really fast, too.In fact, that Wikipedia acted like it promised to act was quite surprising, as the professor intended it to be an object in the failure of volunteers and committees to accomplish anything useful.There is no Wikipedia policy saying we should allow ourselves to be Guinea pigs, waste our time as Guinea pigs, or give special privileges to the conductors of experiments--it just shows a lack of respect to the more and more people who every day turn to Wikipedia for real information.So, how about show some respect for users, the people this is being written for?KP Botany 23:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

User claiming admin abuse
I was accused of abusing my administrator powers today. Basically, here's what happened: I indef-blocked a user due to the username policy, which states that usernames with "Wikipedia terms" (the listed examples from the policy page includes "POV") are not considered appropriate. It was a very soft block, so that user can still edit via another username or anonymously; only the Mr.POV account is blocked.

Shortly after, the user posted from his IP on my talkpage:. I gave him a no personal attacks warning after that and removed the messages from my talkpage. Today, he posted accusing me of abusing my admin powers and using my userpage as a "blog" (which is ironic, since I loathe blogs and find them annoying).

Basically, I created this section to invite others' opinions about this matter (ie. Did I do the right thing? Was I simply carrying out Wikipedia policy?); I've also posted on that user's talkpage to invite him to post his two cents. Thank you. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ / ?!  07:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically you were probably within your rights. Nevertheless, you could have probably avoided this turmoil by first pointing out the policy and giving him a chance to plan ahead before the block got slapped on him. Imagine what a surprise it was to him when he was logging in only to find out he'd been blocked. A little forewarning wouldn't have hurt. Even so, you were probably in the right, and he should just dust himself off and move on. Doczilla 08:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, reading username policy will show that you are not 'within your rights'. There is a procedure to follow to avoid just this scenario. Trollderella 08:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, there it is: "Co-operative contributors should normally just be made aware of our policy via a post on their talk page. Voluntary changes (via Wikipedia:Changing username) are preferred: users from other countries and/or age groups may make mistakes about choosing names -- immediate blocking or listing on RfC could scare off new users acting in good faith." and "Where a change must be forced, we first discuss it. This can take place on either (A) the user's talk page, (B) a subpage of the user's talk page, or (C) a sub page of Wikipedia:Requests for comment. It should be listed on Wikipedia:Requests for comment in the appropriate section. The user should also be made aware of the discussion." That word "should" in the first sentence might give B-H an out, but yeah, someone with admin power should read every word of something like that before taking action, and then should do as it instructs. Doczilla 08:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I did post a message on his talkpage explaining the block . I also told the user that he/she can sign up for another username (in other words, that the block is restricted to that username only). Although yeah, I admit I should've given him some warning first. However, the result would've been the same. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ / ?!  08:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, from that same username policy page, an argument can also be made for "However, administrators may block inappropriate usernames on sight." (which was what I had in mind). -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ / ?!  08:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Someone choosing such a username clearly knows what they are doing. I see no problem. It's not worth assuming good faith in such blindingly obvious situations. – Chacor 08:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to campaign to change policy on this issue ;) Trollderella 20:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's almost certainly a sockpuppet anyway, looking at the edit history.Move along, now, nothing to see here... Guy (Help!) 09:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, if it is a sockpuppet being used against policy, then that is what the account should be blocked for, but that is a different issue. I don't think that it is too much to ask that administrators follow policy and request the change before blocking. It helps prevent resentment and accusations of high handed abuse, so reducing vandalism. Trollderella 19:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On User name choice:"Someone choosing such a username clearly knows what they are doing."This statement is absolutely against assume good intentions.I'm not Internet savvy and chose a user name the first time I signed up for an account that was instantly blocked.No explanation, no way to ask why or what was going on, and I could not figure it out--AND I couldn't change my user name because my IP was blocked from signing up for a new user name.Finally I e-mailed some administrator who patiently did whatever was necessary to get me a user name.This attitude that everyone is so Wikipedia savvy that they know all Wikipedia acronyms is 100% against everything Wikipedia should strive for: namely an encyclopedia created by a diverse group of people on all the major topics in the world.If everyone is required to be a computer geek and know everything before they can even join, it will never happen.For one thing, if I spent enough time on the computer to be as familiar with the Internet as necessary to have not made the mistake, I would spend no time in the field getting to know my subject.Oh, the offensive user name that caused all this trouble was simply a common abbreviation in my field that has been adopted for Internet use.It was used my way for about a hundred years before the cyberspace came along--I'm a researcher, but not a researcher into cyberlingo, a little assumption of good faith could go a long way in making Wikipedia open to a much diverser group of people.KP Botany 00:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Misterrick
I just got this email from User:Misterrick (presumably cos I blocked him for 3RR):


 * ...because by blocking me you just opened yourself to a major fucking lawsuit, I'll sue you, Wikipedia and anyone else who interfers with my 1st Amendment right to free speech and I'll also be contacting the Internal Revenue Service and not only will I get Wikipedia's not-for-profit status revoked I'll be giving them your name and the name of anyone else involved in this little farse and I'll have them investigating you so far up your ass you won't know what hit you and if you think I'm kidding try me I am a very politically connected person and I can get shit done that you only dreamed of.

and. Does this constitute "legal threats" and hence an indef block? Advice sought... William M. Connolley 11:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This calls for an indefinite ban.People invoking the first amendment really need to understand that Wikipedia is not Congress.Morwen - Talk 11:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 100% yes. If you havent blocked, him, allow me. Viridae Talk 11:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks William M. Connolley 11:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Viridae Talk 11:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have just put a final warning on the IP's talkpage for vandalism to User:William M. Connolley. You should be able to get peace. Next time, report it to WP:AIV


 * So, he seems now to be leaving random abusive messages from a variety of IPs.These don't seem to be in the same range - are they proxies? Morwen - Talk 12:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Proxies? I don't need no stinkin' Proxies, I probably have more computer savvy then you'll have, Why don't Y'all just give up you can't win. User:Misterrick

I'm going to get some sleep now but don't you worry now I'll definitely be back and we can pick on your (tee hee) blocking. User:Misterrick


 * 68.162.1.222 came from a3-0-0-1714.dsl-rtr3.nwrk.verizon-gni.net., Jersey City, New Jersey running a fire wall.--Hu12 12:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, maybe he will sue us in a court of law in Trenton, New Jersey ;) A  ecis  Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984. 13:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have put a warning on 68.162's talkpage about vandalizing WMC's Userpage and Talkpage. It would be better to report it to WP:AIV if Chase Collins from The Covenant-like behavior continues, as to what I saw you do to MisterRick this morning (Permaban). Still, William, you should be able to get peace. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 13:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's the other from the talk page --Hu12 13:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Add this one to the list. Viridae Talk  21:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

spamlink in Antisocial personality disorder
Various anons repeatedly adding link to personal site to Antisocial personality disorder. Here, here, here. --Media anthro 12:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not hard to believe that some antisocial types are willfully disregarding Wikipedia's rules and norms. Doczilla 22:15, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Multiple registered accounts
User:Thelaststallion, User:Yu'samabeetch (name violation, by the way), user:Enigmatic Einstein, user:The Real Jayne Cobb, and user:ShepherdBook, have all been posting to Richard Wright (politician), Dr. William M. Scholl College of Podiatric Medicine, and User talk:J.smith, who has been reverting their edits, and pretty much to nothing else (except a couple of other user talk pages, probably in response to reverts or talk page postings).

Perhaps because they've posted comments on his user talk page, or perhaps because he's a new admin, J.smith has done more than enough to try to be reasonable here.I think the entire set of user account should be indef blocked as vandal-only; certainly they are an egregious violation of WP:SOCK, since they all appeared at the same time, all use similar words and phrases in their postings, and all are focused on the same articles, thus avoiding WP:3RR restrictions.John Broughton|Talk 15:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Add to that list "User:TheGreatWhiteMexican", , and .They really really think Richard Wright (politician) is cool.Actually, most of those accounts are already indef blocked as vandal only/socks.
 * Could I request a checkuser?If I can verify that User:The Real Jayne Cobb is associated with the other accounts I might be able to contact the owner of the network (HP corporate IP address).---J.S(T/C) 15:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * While the accounts are already blocked, its probably worthwhile to bring it to WP:RFCU.If they created those number of obvious socks, there's a good chance there's a bunch more waiting in the wings. Syrthiss 16:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hm.I've been dealing with Thelaststallion, but I wasn't aware of the other accounts.I'll keep an eye on those articles, too.User:Zoe|(talk) 16:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't surprise me if User:Sick of j smith was also on in this.(That account has been blocked.)John Broughton|Talk 19:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Since "Jayne Cobb" and "Shepherd Book" are both characters from the TV series Firefly and movie Serenity, you might want to look for usernames based on other such characters, e.g. "Malcolm Reynolds", "Simon Tam", "River Tam", "Inara Serra", etc. – SAJordan talkcontribs 02:27, 17 Dec 2006 (UTC).

Iasson socks
I quote from Requests for checkuser/Case/Iasson:


 * Code letter: F

Iasson is still permabanned by Sjakkale; see his block log; Armodios began by making this edit to Slavery in ancient Greece with edit summary ''Enough whith this fairy tale !!!! Slavery is a moderm term and does not fit at all in ancient greece. Use labour instead. rv to Ephestion version'', which is Iasson's pet crank theory; see several of these sockpuppets.

He also redirected his talk page to Harmodius; the odd transliteration system is a mark of Iasson's puppets and Ephestion shares it.

Since he is evading his block, which is a community ban in support of an Arbcom decision, and using two different accounts to revert Slavery in ancient Greece, I'm not sure which letter applies. Septentrionalis 23:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no doubt Armodios and Ephestion are Iasson; they are pushing his pet issue, and use his naming style; but there is some difficulty in finding an Iasson sock recent enough for Checkuser to work. Can there be community consensus, by looking at the edits to Slavery in ancient Greece, that these editors are Iasson? It would be a bad thing if he could evade an indefinite block by just staying away a couple months. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * They also appear to be revert warring together on Roman Empire, and arguing together on the talk page that the Byzantine Empire was a Neapolitan colony. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Since I have quite a good knowledge of Iasson's sockpuppetry, I can say there's really no doubt that these two are socks of his. I could eventually block them myself as blatant socks, but first I would like to hear if there are any objections.--Aldux 18:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I also have some knowledge of Iasson's edits, and these ones fit him to a tee, though they are less obvious than his earlier ones. Perhaps these are sleepers, or perhaps Iasson is trying to restrain himself. I'd say with confidence Armodios is definitely Iasson, Ephestion a little less obviously so; therefore, I heartily endorse the permablocking of Armodios, but Ephestion is less obvious. If a checkuser could be run confirming a connection between Armodios and Ephestion, perhaps that would be enough to permablock Ephestion. --Deathphoenix ʕ 19:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, blocked Armodios, but not Ephestion. Considering his last edits, with all those so characteristic pseudo-ethymologies, there weren't really any doubts left regarding Armodios.--Aldux 00:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppet of User:Nintendude


User is tracing Nintendude's steps including articles like Live band dance and computer and scatology related articles.ju66l3r 18:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * CommentI'd bet a pretty good amount this is Nintendude based on the edit history (there are some obvious tells even beyond what ju66l3r points out).It's too bad that he's on Roadrunner Cable and they don't use static IPs (though it looks like this has been his IP for a couple of months).It probably should be blocked (and would that block from usercreation as well?) for a while though to WP:DENY.--Isotope23 18:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Francis Schonken
I am just the latest in a long line of people who this user has harassed and insulted (see his talk page).I have posted over 100 well-referenced articles, I spend lots of time fighting vandals, and I don't feel I deserve to deal with people like this.Thanks.House of Scandal 19:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HouseOfScandal&diff=prev&oldid=94565709#Antoine_de_La_Rochefoucauld --Francis Schonken 20:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Independent of whether your question has any merit, how is this an administrative issue? - Jmabel | Talk 20:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Second Jmabel, and a cursory glance at Francis talk page fails to show any harassment. I suggest you show diffs, and do that at WP:PAIN, not here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Korrybean
Can somebody please have a look at this guy's user page: and do what needs to be done? This semi-new user has copy-catted the notorious "GREEK CHAUVINIST JUNTA" attack pamphlet which banned vandal has been spamming across about a dozen user pages a couple of times daily over the last few weeks (see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Kaltsef and this page history for a taste), and is sporting it on his user page. I don't believe Korrybean actually is Kaltsef himself. Kaltsef is apparently a Bulgarian living in Greece; this guy claims he's Turkish-American. Don't want to take action myself, as I'm among the objects of the attack. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea about Kaltsef's history, so I'll leave sock-tagging him and such to someone else if they feel it appropriate. I did remove the attack and left him an npa4im warning due to the severity of it. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't smell like a sock (though I can't say I'm super familiar with Kaltsef).WP:AGF he's just a high schooler who doesn't know better.Consumed Crustacean warned him; if he posts it again something will probably need to be done.--Isotope23 21:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thanks so far to you both. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

misbehaving bot
i tried to redirect The Days Series to 5 Days A Stranger series but User:VoABot_II reverted it as vandalism. its operated by User:Voice of All. I left a talkpage message, he didnt reply. how can i complete my attempted page move now? Nespresso 21:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't move a page like that.When you do a "copy paste" move, the edit history is orphaned, which is very bad. Please consider tagging your newly created page 5 Days A Stranger series for speedy deletion using db-author.Once an admin deletes it, you can perform the move using the "move" link at the top of the page.If you do not have a "move" link or are not permitted to make the move, it may be because you are a very new user.Very new users are not able to move pages as a precaution against vandalism. BigDT 21:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know if it even should be moved. "The Days Series" seems to be a more correct name for it, since 5 Days a Stranger is only one of the titles. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I took a look at it and made the move before I saw your comment here ... I have reverted my move so that a consensus can be reached. BigDT 21:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

hi, nobody, anywhere, ever, calls this series "The Days Series" which is a ludicrous and meaningless title (and original research). the series does not have an "official" name, so, by default, the first game (and the best known one, with highest google count) should be the title i.e. 5 Days A Stranger, or alternatively 5 Days A Stranger series. Nespresso 21:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you.Please note one thing, though ... the "A" should probably be lower case for naming conventions (5 Days a Stranger series instead of 5 Days A Stranger series).I suggest, since WP:ANI isn't really the place to have this discussion, posting a message on the talk page mentioning this discussion and asking if there are any objections.If nobody objects in a few days, you should be able to perform the move yourself. BigDT 22:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism to Caroline Cossey
User 71.29.218.249 (contributions) continues to revert the pronouns on this transsexual person's page, despite repeated attempts to correct this user and warnings to stop. Please note the talk page to Caroline Cossey's page. The Manual of Style states: ''Where known, use terminology that subjects use for themselves (self-identification). This can mean using the term an individual uses for himself or herself, or using the term a group most widely uses for itself. This includes referring to transgender individuals according to the names and pronouns they use to identify themselves.''


 * Blocked, per WP:BLP.We no more tolerate this type of crap, especially for living people than we would someone vandalising articles to use racial epithets or to call people fags.Morwen - Talk 22:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:IAR in practice

 * The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I was heavily bold and deleted Serbophobia, Anti-Croatian sentiment and Anti-Bosniak sentiment in the name of symmetry, brotherhood and unity, and WP:IAR. Those were poorly referenced, troll magnet, POV-exchange and hopelessly apples-and-oranges articles serving the purpose of proving a point of how poor us are prosecuted and tortured by them throughout the history.

I stand open to potential deletion review and, if called for, a request for comment and even recusal of administration rights, if the community wants it. Duja ► 08:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say deleting them was a good move. - Ivan K 08:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If the related articles were any indicator of the Wiki-ethnic feuding going on there, this was almost certainly a good move. Though Serbophobia would imo be better stubbed to referenced info than deleted outright, since it does seem to have enough references to justify its notability as a term. I think you can safely up your rouge application level to full in that userbox now. --tjstrf talk 08:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out—Acknowledged

. I know that something could have been salvaged, but e.g. Serbophobia survived the AfDs mostly because it was a larger stub describing only the usage and origin of the term; meanwhile, it humongously grew to describe all acts of violence and discrimination against us throughout history. If I stubbed them, the vicious circle would undoubtedly repeat. Yes, some ethnic groups are hated by some people; that doesn't make the respective articles necessarily encyclopedic. Duja ► 09:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Discriminations against us throughout history happened for nearly every nation. We have the whole category:anti-National sentiment. Singling out "Balkan wars" was way too bold. You must not sweep national disagreements under carpet. You know what? some shrinks recommend to do just the opposite. `'mikka 19:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Boy, the way those guys go after each other you'd think someone had started a World War over it. WAS 4.250


 * That's a very bold move Duja. You are brave. Blnguyen(bananabucket) 08:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hah, that's ROUGE indeed. But I'm all for the deletion of such articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Duja ► 09:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Very bold, and effective. Viridae Talk 11:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't believe that practicing IAR can be sometimes much more easier, funnier and effective than throwing a rotten tomato at the face of a rotten actor! Good job anyway. --  Szvest   [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.svg|10px]]  Wiki me up ®  12:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, good stuff.All had gone well past the point of irretrievable nonsense. Guy (Help!) 13:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hurrah.What we need here is coverage of ethnic conflicts and rivalry in the Balkans in general.Serbian-Albanian conflict seems to be one of the least bad articles like this, for example.Having those three articles, each of them being a POV fork, is just silly. Morwen - Talk 13:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The pages sound like they are better nonexistant.But why IAR?Why not follow process?Regards, Ben Aveling 21:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because process is not policy, and process is not, in some people's eyes, required to produce an outcome consistent with core policies. Mackensen (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * True, true.But in this case, I don't see why process would have been a barrier to producing the same outcome.Regards, Ben Aveling 08:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No objection from me, but I would say that being poorly referenced, troll magnet, POV-exchange and hopelessly apples-and-oranges articles serving the purpose of proving a point is a better deletion rationale than symmetry, brotherhood and unity, and WP:IAR.Eluchil404 00:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Pile-on support.This is a good application of IAR. JDoorj a m Talk 00:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support Duja's unilateral deletion, although he won't be rogue until he deletes Anti-Romanian discrimination and Anti-Hungarian sentiment... ;-) Khoikhoi 10:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Which ones? I don't see them...
 * LOL. :-) I was actually sort of joking, but I agree that both of those articles are unneeded. However, since Anti-Romanian discrimination was restored, I'll restore Anti-Hungarian sentiment until we can get a consensus. Khoikhoi 00:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's also Anti-German sentiment and Anti-Polish sentiment, both of whose neutrality is (surprise!) disputed. Kusma (討論) 09:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's in fact a huge big lot of them, conveniently listed at List of anti-ethnic and anti-national terms. While I believe most of those ought to go, I don't think speedying them all would be a good idea. We need a proper discussion about what are sensible criteria for inclusion of such articles. Big ugly messy bloody group AfD, anyone? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! We can have the feuding factions all unite to oppose deletion of their personal victimhood pages. (Or maybe they'll vote, delete all but mine, and we'll get an easy consensus?) Non-sarcastically, please don't nominate too many of them at once. Keep it to an amount of articles you can read in one sitting, so that us outside editors have a reasonable way of evaluating them individually. --tjstrf talk 09:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Reasonable. Or maybe a centralised discussion page first, and then individual AfDs spawned off from that? In any case, it's going to be big and ugly and a lot of work, and potential drama. I wonder why we haven't yet seen any complaints of admin abuse for the ones deleted so far? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Only a few on my talk page, but far less than I expected. However, Initially I wanted to clean up only "my" ethnic feud and I don't feel like spreading rougeness worldwide. But those articles should go. They're mainly unsalvageable soapboxes. Like Morwen said, pages akin to Serbian-Albanian conflict (i.e. Foo-Barian relationships/tensions/conflict) could have much better prospects, if only because they would be subject to edit-warring scrutiny of Fooians, Barians and neutrals. But I'm uncertain how to proceed at the moment. Duja ► 10:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Good move by Duja. Before people start nominating these for deletion, take a look at Votes for deletion/Anti-Polonism and at Articles for deletion/Anti-Polonism. (Don't know if other such "articles" also already had AfDs, this one I just knew from the top of my head.) Lupo 11:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, yes, there have been several "keep" precedents on such AfDs - and usually the existence of one page was cited as a reason to keep the other:
 * Anti-Serbianism: survived 2 AfDs (1, 2);
 * Anti-Croatian sentiment: survived 1 AfD)
 * Anti-Bosniak sentiment: survived 1 AfD
 * Anti-Iranianism: survived a particularly ugly and vicious one.
 * On the other side:


 * Anti-Georgianism: deleted at AfD
 * Anti-Kurdism: speedied by myself today
 * Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I strenuously object to how this was done. Anti-Romanian discrimination, which had hundreds of edits by over a dozen contributors, including quite a few administrators (none of them me) does not look to me like the sort of article that should have been summarily deleted. It contained significant material (including quite a few citations) that, even if this article is deemed inappropriate, belongs somewhere else in Wikipedia; such salvaging of parts of articles often happens in the course of an AFD, but there is virtually no chance for it when an administrator acts unilaterally. I'll also add that the article did not particularly read like a polemic, and even explicitly acknowledged regions outside of Romania where Romanians are treated well (e.g. "The Romanians living in the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina are very well represented at the provincial level despite their small presence…"). At most, I think it should have been retitled more neutrally to encourage discussion of positive as well as negative treatment, but it seemed to me on the whole to be a decent article. - Jmabel | Talk 17:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I respectfully disagree. These articles have only produced bad feelings among wikipedians, and hampered friendly collaboration, promoting instead a clan sentiment. I disagree with any attempts to recreate the articles in question.--Aldux 17:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Aldux, are you just saying this on general principles, or did you actually read the article I am somewhat defending? - Jmabel | Talk 20:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, the Romanian term for anti-Romanianism is antiromanism: of course, occasionally that same term (usually in English) means opposition to Roman Catholicism, but a Google search turns up literally hundreds of on-topic hits from what are usually considered reliable sources. Some of them are debating whether there is such a thing, others are assuming that there is, but it seems to me that there is plenty here for a topic. Again, there may have been problems with this article, but I would certainly have opposed simple deletion if there had been an opportunity for discussion, and I do not like the fact that discussion is taking place only in the face of a fait accompli. - Jmabel | Talk 21:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * For the record, I've tried to spell out my arguments for the deletion of these articles, on Duja's talk page, for the time being - not about the process, but in about the content. Still not sure where such a discussion ought to be conducted best now. We need some venue for assessing and reviewing the remaining articles, developing some kind of common criteria for them, and reviewing the deleted ones in the process too if that turns out to be necessary. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm almost afraid to ask, because people have been known to follow up on my rhetorical questions by actually doing the thing in question, but does this objection extend to the article on Antisemitism?
 * No. See the link I gave exactly in the contribution above: . Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hopelessly apples-and-oranges articles serving the purpose of proving a point of how poor us are prosecuted and tortured by them throughout the history.


 * Sounds great! We can have the feuding factions all unite to oppose deletion of their personal victimhood pages. 


 * These articles have only produced bad feelings among wikipedians, and hampered friendly collaboration, promoting instead a clan sentiment.
 * Um, I'm kind of curious about whether these views are going to extend to all the "Persecution of..." articles in Category:Religious_persecution (I'm sure there are few non-religious based persecution articles out there too) e.g. Persecution of Hindus, Persecution of Christians, Persecution of Muslims... that whole series (probably not the one on Ancient Greek religion...). Also there's their opposite numbers, "Historical Persecution by..." in the same category Bwithh 17:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles restored as blatant violation of WP:IAR, accompanied with incivility. I don't see how these articles "prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia". This one-sided deletion becomes a dangerous practice and a spit into eyes of fellow wikipedians. We are not talking about deletion of obvious trollwork here. `'mikka 19:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "Blatant violation of WP:IAR"??? "Incivility"??? Except for the word "crap" in the deletion summary which admittedly wasn't up to the highest standard, would did please quote the instances of my incivility? And have you read the comments above before you started the undoing, and why do you feel inclined to unilaterally erase it? I am accountable for my deletions, and I stood up to community's criticism — up to giving up my administrative privileges. But how do those articles, in your opinion, improve the credibility and neutrality of Wikipedia? Duja ► 21:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Debate reopened, now restored at WP:ANI Duja ► 22:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Request CheckUser
User:Aperfectmanisaenglishman and User:Englishpound.

The same specifically provocative POV edits, to the same articles, at the same time of day.The similarities in comment/writing style and username speak for themselves.I have a hunch that these may both be socks of another user (perhaps someone already banned).I'm hoping that someone who's seen his style before will recognize him. Dppowell 17:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please refer to WP:RCU. Re I hate the french the celts the germans and especially americans, i've just left him a message. --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  17:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * English is the official language of the world these days and so everyone should speak it. Contries such as Pakistan,India and kenya are poor because they rejected English rule! Look at them know!Apparently everyone should speak it poorly.It's obvious from the user page and the contribution history that the accounts are being used only for trolling bordering on vandalism. You might want to see if he shapes up after your warning, but I suspect he won't.JChap2007 02:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Insulting classmates by name
A student vandal seems to be slinging racial insults at specific classmates.Can we have an admin delete these edits from the edit history to protect the innocent?I'm sure this question comes up all the time, but I don't know if it's possible.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 17:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I normally give warnings over vandalism, and even over personal attacks, I immediately block over racial, gender, and homophobic attacks.I have no tolerance for such behavior.User:Zoe|(talk) 00:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Support. There is bad, and there is worse...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I have serious problems here
I'm the user who worked as Lieutenant Dol Grenn and Pooter-the-clown. I edited the Street Fighter-characters and I searched for more informations. I only added the real heights and weights to these characters and User: Danny Lilithborne called it "nonsense". So he added my two usernames to the Administrators' noticeboard. I'm afraid that if someone else would add the heights and weights to these Street Fighter-characters again, that User:Danny Lilithborne and also other administrators would blame me again. Please solve my problem. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.32.99 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't see the problem here.Don't add unsourced information to articles and nothing will happen to you.If someone else comes along and adds unsourced information to an article, action may be taken against them (if it is warrented) but as long at that person isn't you creating a sockpuppet account (and this could be discovered by checkuser), I'm not exactly sure what you are worried about happening.--Isotope23 20:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This was also posted to WP:AN; no need to have two threads going.Chick Bowen 05:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Another problem is that I used several IPs, namely IPs from a school and from a bank and I made the same edits to these Street Fighter-characters and to the list of famous tall men.

But I'll stop with these edits. Promise. I don't want to have serious problems.

Repeated vandalism by
Tfleavitt received many vandalism warnings on his talk page between four and two and a half months ago, but has not been warned since then. He started making real contributions, but almost everything he adds is an unverified statement or personal opinion, i.e. from three weeks ago; this; and a quasi-attack. A few weeks ago, he returned to blatant, frequently anti-Semitic vandalism: his last contrib, eleven days ago; his second-to-last contrib, which came five minutes after an anti-Jewish edit to the same page (which had already been reverted). For the vandalism, he should absolutely, in my opinion, be given the most severe warning, if not a short block. -- Kicking222 22:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Um ... he's already been blocked indefinitely as a vandalism-only account by User:Can't Sleep, Clown Will Eat Me, eleven days ago. Newyorkbrad 23:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, I completely missed that. Well, now I feel like a giant idiot. Why wasn't this made mention of on the user's page or talkpage? -- Kicking222 00:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because anyone can check their block log? pschemp | talk 03:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've slapped on indefblock templates so Kicking222 doesn't have to check the block log :P --210 physicq  ( c ) 03:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Starwars10
I have just given a last warning.Just about all of this User's edits have been vandalism, including vandalistic page moves and additions of false information.Just a heads up, if he keeps it up, he's going to be indefinitely blocked.User:Zoe|(talk) 03:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

has been engaging in incivility on some talk pages, accusing editors of libel, attacking another editor for placing a welcome message on his user talk page (calling it "wikistalking"), and putting tags all over the place (probably out of some sort of WP:POINT exercise).For a "newbie" editor, he/she/it has sure jumped straight into some controversial stuff... I suspect sockpuppetry. *Dan T.* 04:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I must say, and interesting first edit and edit summary... Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 04:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I recently removed a comment by this user on Talk:Lerdo, citing WP:NOT (soapbox). The user then claimed it was an attack and reinstated the comment. -- moe.  RON   Let's talk  05:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Tajik and User:E104421
and have been involved in a long Turkish-Iranian feud over issues of historical central Asian ethnic identities, with week-long petty revert wars on multiple articles, POV forks, personal attacks, sockpuppet allegations, mutual accusations of stalking, several blocks on both sides, and other such niceties. After a renewed bout of revert warring on at least three articles I've blocked both of them (see WP:AN3 and my talk page). What can be done to keep these guys away from each other? Short of Arbcom (which might become necessary too though), I propose going ROUGE on them both and imposing an informal community 1RR probation on both of them. Can we do that, through admin consensus? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As a fellow cabal member, I endorse your block and the 1RR probation proposal. Duja ► 09:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Endorse. This has become quite disgraceful. Hopefully the 1RR probation would not lead to sockpuppetry. -- Ghirla -трёп-  12:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Me to: we really need to put a cut too this.--Aldux 16:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The last time Tajik was blocked for 24 hours, he immediately returned to incivility, and was blocked for 48 hours for incivility, then he came back and immediately plopped a bogus Stalking warning on my user page in retaliation for my reporting him.When I complained about Tajik posting the bogus stalking warning on my page, I was ignored, except that administrator Khoikhoi came to his defense, without any evidence, and while evidence to the contrary existed on Tajik's talk page.I certainly hope administrator Khoikhoi can read German.I would hope, though, after a user has been blocked for 24 hours for incivility, then almost immediately reblocked for 48 hours for incivility, then comes back and acts incivil, again, and then posts the incredibly nasty comments about other users (not just E104421) and about Wikipedia in general, that Tajik did, that an administrator would block him for longer than the 24 or 48 hours that did nothing the first time. As long as Tajik OWNS Afghanistan on Wikipedia, no one else will be able to edit it.And, considering how he feels about the competence of other Wikipedia editors, it's no wonder he feels he should own the article.And, yes, I am biased against Tajik, he is attempting to instill hostility into my experience on Wikipedia, in retaliation for a copyedit of the Herat page, and he has a lot of administrator support in owning his pages.Actually, I hope more administrators than Khoikhoi can read German. KP Botany 18:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * PS And if Tajik is blocked how come he is editing his talk page while blocked?KP Botany 18:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * A blocked user can still edit (only) his or her own talk page, unless the page is specifically protected by the blocking admin or another administrator. This is necessary to allow dialog and the posting of requests for an unblock. Newyorkbrad 18:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information, and quick reply, as I didn't know that, and had seen numerous spats about this particular thing on Wikipedia, and thought they had to e-mail or something.But that's not what he used it for, he used it to remove a 3RR warning from another user.KP Botany 18:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but to be fair, that one was not a problem - the warning was for the revert-warring he had already been blocked for anyway, so the warning was unnecessary in the first place. Besides, like many here, I'm not a big fan of sanctioning the removal of warnings anyway. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * From what I have personally seen from these two users (particularly on Babur prior to its protection), they have been quite incivil and disruptive. I support the idea. --  tariq abjotu  19:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Fut.Perf, you said on my talk page, "for the moment, I propose to impose an informal 1RR regime on them both, on all the articles they've been reverting each other recently". To clarify, this 1RR would only apply when Tajik and E104421 are edit warring together, right? If so, I would support it. However, if it applys to all articles, I don't think it would be very fair both to Tajik and E104421. Khoikhoi 02:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And what's fair to other editors who go in and try to do a copyedit on some article Tajik OWNS, and become a target for his incivility and visciousness?Tajik has been blocked twice recently and warned numerous times, and what does he do?Blast all of Wikipedia for being inferior editors to him.And administrators have done nothing, there's even a notice above Tajik's complaint about E104421, on the 3RR board, another editor complaining about problems with Tajik, another editor ignored by administrators.I tried to use WP:DR, including just withdrawing from the articles for a while, and Tajik blasted me for NOT CONTINUING AN EDIT WAR!And Khoikhoi supported Tajik posting a blatantly false retaliatory stalking warning on my talk page--which is, in fact, the very essence of stalking: creating a hostile atmosphere for other editors, with the help of an administrator.


 * What would be fair to other editors who would like the Afghanistan articles to be usable and worthwhile for users of Wikipedia?Who don't have all day to edit and administrator shop to get administrators to protect their pages and edits, who don't have all the time in the world to make sure they have an administrator on their side, ready to speak up on their behalf, no matter what they've done?Editors who are targetted by Tajik in retaliation for COPY EDITS, then find out that Tajik is protected by administrators in his atrocious and repeatedly uncivil behaviour?


 * What's fair to the rest of Wikipedia?


 * And how unfair to Tajik is it, since he thinks no one else in the world is capable of reading an authorative source and using it properly to assist in writing Wikipedia articles?


 * Well, obviously I am ticked off at being the target of Tajik's abuse, and of having him targetting me and so many others be ignored by administrators, however, Tajik's behaviour has been ignored for a long long time.Ultimately I don't think unilateral action against Tajik is fair, because I truly believe that he was created by administrators thinking they were doing him a favor by siding with him and ignoring his behaviour--ultimately, imo, administrators who ignored his bad behaviour early on created what he has become: an uncivil, edit-warring, reverting, abusive, personally attacking editor.He does not appear to be able to work with other editors.This has not always been the case, though.


 * Administrator favoritism does nobody any favors, not the editor, not the community, not the administrator.


 * The next time he puts phony warnings on my talk page, or attacks me for a copyedit, I would really like to see an administrator take it seriously, and when Khoikhoi comes in to defend his atrocious behaviour, I would like an unbiased administrator to come in and take it seriously.It's a great technique he has, though, attack attack attack, get supported by an administrator, and bam!, there you go, he's got rid of another editor.KP Botany 02:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * PS, And I am going to start editing the Afghanistan and Herat articles and other Afghanistan articles.I never should have allowed Tajik to bully me away in the first place.And I do know better now than to try Wikipedia DR, because administrators don't support editors who try it, and editors like Tajik, who see newbies like me foolishly use it, are probably just snickering.KP Botany 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Calm down. Wikipedia does not allow you to simply throw around accusations anywhere and for any reason you please, and you can only harm the site if you're going to jump into debates to 'save the day'. --InShaneee 03:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia administrators allowed Tajik to "simply throw around accusations anywhere and for any reason," against me, and Administrator Khoikhoi did the same thing to me, in support of one of Tajik's "thrown around accusations."When I complained about unsupported accusations by Tajik and Khoikhoi, I was ignored.I wasted my time with supported allegations, Tajik and Khoikhoi countered with unsupported allegations, and I was the one ignored.That's where I learned it from, from another editor, far more experienced at Wikipedia than I am, and from an administrator.Wikipedia does not only allow it, but seems to prefer it, as the unsupported accusations against me carried far more weight than my supported accusations against Tajik--the unsupported accusations carried 100% of the weight, and the supported accusations 0%.


 * If it is harmful to Wikipedia for users to "Simply throw around accusations anywhere and for any reason," then administrators should not have stood by in mute silence while Tajik and Khoikhoi did it to me.But, administrators did just that, ignored it when it happened to me, probably because I'm a new user.


 * When administrators and editors use a technique to gang up on a newer and less sophisticated editor, and Wikipedia administrators support it by ignoring it, it's a bit confusing to then have another administrator come in and say, what was allowed to happen to the new editor, what more experienced Wikipedians used against the newer editor, is "not allowed" to be used by the new editor. Khoikhoi is an administrator and Khoikhoi supported Tajik's unsupported accusations against me, without Khoikhoi providing any support for his own support of Tajik.All the more experienced editors and at least one administrator know how to profit form this technique, to scold only the newcomer for following established practices of more experienced users simply gives Wikipedia more of an appearance of bias towards established editors and administrators and against newer editors. KP Botany 15:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not much a fan of wiki-drama, however, maybe it would help if you specified what you want. I don't (and I doubt anyone else does) care if you're right or not, just want everyone to be happy. What do you want, do you want Khoikhoi to ban Tajik? //Dirak 16:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately Tajik still involves in edit wars, he constantly removes well referenced information from articles. Especially the articles that's related to Turks, Azeris or other Turkic peoples'. I hope administrators will find a way to keep him away from these articles.--BlueEyedCat 17:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What a lie! Just look at BlueEyedCat's edits...he is not one to talk about other peoples edits...Azerbaijani 17:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What a lie!,is a personal attack here,Please choose your words carefully.
 * Your arguments are baseless. Edit summaries of BlueEyedCat's gives enough explanation about edits. He/she brings reliable sources to article Safavid dynasty, and removed by Tajik( and by some other user]. Tajik also had deleted POV tag from a section in that article.
 * Combining this incident asUser:Tajik and User:E104421 doesnt represents the events. Correct name for incident (as everybody can see) may be User:Tajik and "Other users".
 * regards. Must TC 11:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Regards. Must TC 11:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Holy Ghost Preparatory School of Bristol, PA
The administration of Holy Ghost Prep asks that a Wikipedia Administrator please block editing (but not access) for our proxy IP addressess <146.145.221.129> and <146.145.221.130>.

The school has been threatened with legal action regarding a student using the school's internet services to edit the biography of a living individual in a way that defamed the individual, and wants to avoid further problems.

Please feel free to contact me for more information if needed.

Sincerely, Tom Coughlin Director of Information Technology Holy Ghost Preparatory School 2429 Bristol Pike Bensalem, PA 215-872-3300 tcough01 (at) holyghostprep.org


 * Someone needs to verify that this is legit before any editing block is used.... but I'd suggest a month long soft-block if everything checks out. ---J.S(T/C) 17:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * J_Smith, I left you some mail on your talk page. Tom Coughlin 146.145.221.130 19:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I talked with Tom over the phone.I'm fairly confident that this is legit. Going forward I see two options:
 * The school blocks student access to wikipedia - students can't read articles
 * We block editing access to the IP address as requested - students can still read articles
 * Does anyone have a problem with an indef block on both IP addresses? (146.145.221.129 & 146.145.221.130). Or maybe, does anyone see a better solution? ---J.S(T/C) 20:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, blocking seems fine, if they don't want their kids using the computers to edit WP. --W.marsh 20:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems appropriate. Viridae Talk 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely - indef-block both addresses for editing, but also please put an explanation on the user or talk pages so another admin doesn't unblock them unknowingly. And our thanks to Mr. Coughlin for being proactive about the matter. (Although shouldn't he be prepping for Sunday's game against Philly?) | Mr. Darcy talk 02:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

IIRC we have some preeliminary statistics that most vandalism of en wiki occurs from ips during school hours in US... so I will not cry if we block a school or few. Dedicated users can create accounts anyway.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, both addresses now blocked. ---J.S(T/C) 08:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible Sock Puppet
I believe these users may be sock puppets: User:Curaralhos, User:Ilokjju, User:DrPersti, User:ElonMusky, User:Mu8sky, User:Rogerstone, User:Prof nomamescabron, User:Prof Bujju, and maybe User:Uramanbfas, User:Prof Schnitzer, and User:216.180.72.14.I've noticed some edits/vandalism on Laura Harris, Micropenis, Tesla Roadster, and other pages.Kslays 21:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * See WP:SSP or WP:RFCU. Yuser31415 03:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:RFCU would not help with throwaway sockpuppets. I have permablocked most of them as they are vandalous accounts on their own right. I have left User:ElonMusky, User:Prof Schnitzer, and User:216.180.72.14 as they looked like do good faith edits on the roadster, they might be sockpuppets of the vandals but there is not enough data IMHO to be sure. Let me know if they would not behave Alex Bakharev 06:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

and and proxies
"Flavius vanillus" - blocked 15 Feb (1 hr), 15 feb (6 hrs), 26 feb (24 hrs), 26 feb (extended 48 hrs), 26 Feb (extended again 1 wk), 1 April (2 wks), 2 April (indefinite block) Documentation_of_bans

Flavius has posted today on NLP page, diffs. It is mainly a post outline details on the other banned users. I assume that some of the banned editors have been contacting each other. Flavius explains the story behind the sockpuppet group. I wouldn't be surprise if one of the banned editors contacted him to ask him to rejoin the NLP page under a new name. Unfortunately he mixes some useful comments with suggestions on how to evade sock checks. He also discloses some personal details about editors which is not appropriate. Unfortunately the collaborative efforts have been distracted by arguments on the page but new socks of the banned editors. I'd appreciate some advice on how to handle this one. --Comaze 07:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA by
I've found that the user has broken with WP:NPA several times recently, see the following diffs:


 * That's your retort? The UNUDHR? Yes, I fully acknowledge Tailkinker's right to act like an obstreperous jerk, and I take advantage of my right to call him as such.--ttogreh 06:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't you get it? Deletion or suggestion of deletion before due diligence is to act like a philistine.--ttogreh 21:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC) Edit Summary: Deletionists are pedantic, obstreperous, hateful little people that despise life


 * Edit Summary: You are still a jerk. This is supposed to be about compiling and sharing data; not about deciding which piece of data is bad and which is good; deletion of relevant knowledge is a sin.


 * I broke one of my own rules; "never use an analogy, ever.".....He acted like an obstreperous jerk. Then, another editor, noticing what has happened, called the first editor just that; an obstreperous jerk. Edit Summary: I am better than you

There is plenty more if you look at the user's past contributions. I think that administrative action on this one is long overdue.--Jersey Devil 07:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You should probably report it to the correct location, being the Personal attack intervention noticeboard--Vercalos 07:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry...I'm just so use to using AN/I. Will do.--Jersey Devil 07:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User continiously removes large sections from an article.
Ultramarine continiously (for more than a month) removes well-souced sections about Marxist view on democracy from "theory" section of Democracy article. I do not know how to considerthese actions other than vandalism.--Nixer 17:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That has been extensively discussed on the talk page of that article. See my response there. In brief, Nixer wants a version that only contains Marxist criticisms of liberal demcracyy (See his latest edit, he only restores the Marxist views but not the opposite view ). I do not object to this criticism of liberal democracy, but it should not be in the article about democracy without mentioning opposing views and without mentioning advantages of liberal democracy. Detailed advantages and disadvantages of specific forms of democracy should probably be in the appropriate article, otherwise this overview article which presents numerous form of democracy will become too big. However, if Nixer insists, I will, as previously, copy the advantages of liberal democracy to the the Democracy article and copy the disadvantages of Soviet democracy to the Democracy article. But I think that a better solution is to discuss this in articles about specific forms of democracy.Ultramarine 18:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Have you folks tried Resolving disputes? HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hasn't this been through WP:RD already?I seem to remember that there have been arbitrations involving these people before.If someone could link to them, it might help provide some background.TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have never been in arbitration regarding the democracy article or with Nixer. Have a look at Nixer's block log.Ultramarine 19:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, as evidenced by these large scale deletions, I see that Ultramarine in his dogged defense giving favor to Liberal Democracy in the Democracy article, (at the expense of others forms of democracy), fails to follow Wikipedia policy about WP:NPOV.BruceHallman 18:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

A brief review suggests to me Ultramarine is right, but anyway this should be better discussed through RfC or such procedure, there is no need for ANI discussion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Piotrus, I am troubled deeply by this statement, Ultramarine deleted large sections of well referenced material.He did not move it, he deleted it. I have no respect for this.
 * That said, I think I have defused the argument Talk:Democracy while liberally upbraiding both users about their bad behavior. Travb (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what to do with this user page
I just discovered User:Wikiwebisode which appears to be a project in work. WP:NOT a free hosting service, but it is a user page which users are allowed more leeway. In addition, the user's contributions are only related to this userpage and the images used on it. I believe it should be deleted, and the user account removed, but I don't think WP:CSD is the right way to go, but I may be mistaken. Any advice is appreciated. If you remove it, please let me know what the proper way to do it would have been. Thank you. -- MECU ≈ talk 14:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've just left them a note. Let's see what would be their action. --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  14:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The correct course of action here is Miscellany for deletion. Leave the user a message on their talk page. We'll watch them and if no reasonable editing comes of it in a day or so (and if the userpage doesn't change), take it to MfD. A Train take the 14:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's been a day and no sign of User:Wikiwebisode. I'm going to put the page up on MfD; the user will still have a good number of days to respond and I'll be happy to withdraw the nomination in the event that some legitimate purpose materializes. A Train take the 14:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Spamming of citation needed template
Recently a user (admin himself...) has removed my citation requests, toghether with copyediting changes and referenced added by another editor from an article. I have warned him twice that this behaviour is less then constructive; my most recent warning was removed by a third party twice. I'd appreciate if somebody could act into this to see whether my warning was appopriate or indeed a 'personal attack' as the user who removed it claims, and restore it and/or warn the party which erred (if my edit has indeed been a 'personal attack', do let me know by all means, so I can apologize for it).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This is not boderline vandalism. Most of the article edits seem to be about which statements need citation and which don't, which should be discussed on talk instead of edit warring over tags. Removing the wikilinks could be okay per WP:CONTEXT. It was unnecessary to discuss this on Briangotts' talk page and to accuse him of borderline vandalism. Ghirla editing your comment was also completely unnecessary, and Ghirla and you edit warring on a third user's talk page is WP:LAME. Kusma (討論) 15:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, from what I'm seeing, Piotr may have a point. Removing references and fact tags is borderline vandalism. And removing a well intentioned comment and replacing it with "personal attack removed" is a blatant violation of WP:AGF. Brian should know better. -Patstuarttalk 16:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Requests for citations on a page with more than seventy inline citations qualifies as tag trolling. Those who encourage trolling should review their standards. -- Ghirla -трёп-  17:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The number of citations on a page is immaterial to the merits of a citation request. If the material questioned is not supported adequately by the existing citations, then it is perfectly proper (and I think necessary) to request a citation. -- Donald Albury 18:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that removing the fact tag really constitutes vandalism, but a the same time the removal of the fact tag with the comment "these are not statements that require citations. They are discussed extensively in the text" isn't what I would consider to be good reasoning or helpful editing.It relies on the article to source these statements, which isn't a valid way to do this.What is more disturbing to me is the fact that User:Briangotts removed what appears to be valid refs for the reason that he doesn't feel these statements require a reference.To me, referencing is always preferable to a statement being unreferenced, and this edit isn't constructive.Still, this should be discussed on the article talk page... I don't think this has gotten to the point where an admin needs to invervene.--Isotope23 17:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As to that edit, I have no issue with Brian removing the probably-redundant refs I added. If I'm not objecting, I don't see that there can be a problem. Angus McLellan(Talk) 00:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For those who wish wider context, I described the situation hours ago and predicted that, per his usual behaviour, we shall see Piotrus forum shopping on WP:ANI. Two hours passed: here it goes. -- Ghirla -трёп-  17:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note that I the issue at hand is not a really minor and I believe now resolved disagreement I had with Brian, but the fact that my comment were edited by another user. Is such behaviour acceptable?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

In related news, what do you think of such changing of ANI's headings? I think they are as inappopriate as editing other's comments.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Piotr, as long as your desysopping is under discussion on the relevant talk page, I advise you to refrain from performing admin actions, especially in such an aggressive manner, and issuing "warnings" to fellow admins. Thanks, Ghirla  -трёп-  17:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think that is relevent. Also RfC's cannot result in desysoping as far as I know, only ArbCom can do that(unless I am wrong). HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 17:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently you are wrong, since Piotr's name can be found in Category:Administrators open to recall. -- Ghirla -трёп-  17:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That does not result in desysoping, only re-confirmation of adminship. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 18:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Christine Maggiore
Can someone please semi protect this page. Several anons have been continuing to POV push their views on AIDS in this article moving it from a balanced non-POV piece to a POV piece. JohnnyBGood t   c  VIVA! 22:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. In future please use WP:RPP for such requests Alex Bakharev 23:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have commented on Alex's talk page about this and posted an unprotect request at WP:RFPP. The page has had two anon users adding information for one day only. Other than that there have been no other anon pov-pushing edits for a while (almost a month since the last anon edit!). I would strongly urge it be unprotected and that Alex take a look at the article history in future. I thought semi-protection was supposed to be a last ditch effort to stop vandalism?-Localzuk(talk) 16:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User displaying fair use pictures on userpage
I removed the display of the images on his userpage and left a note that it was against the fair use policy. I was even nice and converted them to links, but he has since reverted my changes and the images are again being displayed. I do not wish to revert him again, even though I think I would be acceptable since I'm not even near 3RR and I'm applying policy. I would like an admin to revert the display of these images and leave another note that re-posting the images is unacceptable for Wikipedia. Perhaps hearing it from more than just me (I am a nobody, afterall) will help. User:John Zdralek is the user in question. Thank you. -- MECU ≈ talk 01:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have removed the images and warned the user not to re-add them. I am watching. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 01:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First look at the page smacks of WP:NOT even if they are blogging about their experiences on Wikipedia. -- moe.  RON   Let's talk  01:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Much of it is related to wikipedia. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 01:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The User has now uploaded the image again under his own claims of copyright and has re-added it to his User page.I don't know the image's provenance, so somebody else should deal with it.User:Zoe|(talk) 05:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * He mentioned in a previous post that it was a scan of a brochure. If so they cannot be released under his license. I find this users method of speaking to be rather confusing, and I am not sure he is understanding me. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Blatant imagevio and illegal behavior, can user be blocked?
Listed on Image copyvio page: Image:B0009T2S0W.JPG ([ history] · [ last edit]) and Image:Chc.JPG ([ history] · [ last edit]). Clearly states on first image (c)2005 all rights reserved. User cropped it off. I believe user should be warned and perhaps blocked for such blatant attempts to avoid copyright laws and illegal behavior. -- MECU ≈ talk 15:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, the image description page asserts "fair use" of the image.Almost every fair use image on Wikipedia is copyrighted with all rights reserved.But "fair use" gives you the ability to use someone else's work without permission, under certain circumstances.In the case of an album cover, nearly every article about an album has an image of the album cover at the top of it. It is rendered unneeded because of the existence of Image:Charlie and the chocolate factory.JPG, but it's hardly a bad faith upload.BigDT 16:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, I have gone through the user's uploads and tagged most of them as orphaned fair use. BigDT 16:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User Coredesat, User JDoorjam, and User Psychonaut
I was communicating to people who were affecting articles such as Srebrenica Massacre, Bosniaks, Markale Massacre, etc. Most of them were Bosniaks, although some of them were Serbs and non-Serbs. Some users have complained about user Coredesat and user JDoorjam rolling back and deleting comments that I left them, here are some of many example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bosniak#re:_comment_on_my_talk_page and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JDoorjam#My_User_Page By the way, user Psychonaut is either Serb or pro-Serb oriented and he defends Serb interest on Wikipedia and constantly complains about non-Serbs to administrators, which brings his fairness and good faith into questioning, just so you know. Peace Bosniak 02:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I admit that I have recently posted three WP:ANI reports about users who self-identify as Bosnians or Bosniaks:
 * (Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive149, 14:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC))
 * (Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive150, 23:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC))
 * (Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive152, 21:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC))
 * These reports were made because the users in question had repeatedly violated Wikipedia policy in defiance of warnings, and not because the users were Bosnia{n|k}.Whether or not I am a Serb is irrelevant. —Psychonaut 02:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Uninvolved outsider here, but I'd like to point out that any POV-pushing here is definitely a 2 way road. Characterization of other editors as vandals for content disputes, attempting to rally editors along ethnic lines, accusations of conspiracy, etc. are all uncivil and will simply polarize a situation even more than before. I also found this rant rather disconcerting, in which he "thanks God" that another editor has stopped editing and effectively vows to have an article created despite its deletion by community consensus. --tjstrf talk 02:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not a Serb, or a Serbophobe, or a Bosniak, or an anti-Bosniak.I didn't even know "Bosniak" was a word until yesterday.I'm simply anti-spam.It was requested up the page that a neutral admin roll back the dozens of spam messages User:Bosniak posted; I did so.Don't spam Wikipedia.JDoorj a m Talk 04:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Bosniak left the same message on Talk:Srebrenica massacre which I deleted according to the talk page guidelines as it did not pertain to the article. I now see that it is also mentioned here, so I thought I'd better left a note. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 04:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Less cries plz, Bosniak;) - Ivan K 07:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm oriented to block Bosniak for two weeks, for his endless pattern of disruption, spam, pa and uncivility. What I especially find frustrating is that he got his last week-long block just a few weeks ago, and he doesn't seem to have as yet grasped the rules. Opinions?--Aldux 18:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, he seems to have stopped. If he starts again, two weeks might be a good minimum. --Core desat  03:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I second that. Stop The Lies 09:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies


 * Full support. I just don't understand why have all the previous filings been ignored.... --PaxEquilibrium 18:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No objection here.But then again, I'm an involved party. —Psychonaut 23:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Cat depopulation?
It appears at a casual glance that Str1977 (talk • contribs • [/wiki/Special:Log/move?user= page moves ] • block user • [/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User: block log ] ) is on a mission to depopulate "Category:Christian mythology" (note the last 2 dozen edits in Contribs). Given that the changes are occuring rather quickly, with 20+ deletions in 20 minutes, I thought I should mention it here. Doc  Tropics  08:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it being replaced by something else? Viridae Talk 09:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In some cases, such as Child Jesus, yes. In most, no. Some of them appear to be valid recategorizations, others are rather reactionary seeming and misunderstand that the Category:Christian mythology is for Christian mythos in the technical sense, not myths in the colloquial sense of unsupported/false tales. --tjstrf talk 10:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Doc. I appreciate that bringing it here is a result of your concern over a series of rapid decategorizing, but I think it's misguided in this case, though certainly well meant. Str1977 is a longstanding valuable member of the community, with well over 10,000 edits to his credit, many of which are reversions of vandalism, archiving talk pages, helping other users with formatting, etc., and many of which are also completely unrelated to Christianity. So "on a mission" seems rather loaded language. It seems likely that he saw an article in that category which didn't seem to belong, removed the category, and then looked in the category to see what other articles were in it, and removed the ones that he thought misplaced. It seems that the first place to express concerns should have been at his talk page. Bringing it here suggests that admin action (rather than user discussion) is required, especially by using the user5 template instead of simply the user one. I don't think we need a quick access to this, though others may disagree :-)

It's possible for good editors to disagree over the appropriateness of categories. Sometimes it's more about POV pushing than about honest disagreements between users. For example, there could be a notorious serial killer, who happened to have Jewish parents, but who was himself an atheist. Someone who shows by his pattern of making anti-semitic edits that he has an axe to grind adds the murderer's article to the category (if there is one) of famous Jews. Other editors quite rightly protest. There can also be misunderstanding of what it means to be in a category. Months ago, I took Margaret Roper out of the category of Catholic martyrs, because she wasn't a martyr; her father was. Geogre reverted me, and gave a very reasonable explanation on the talk page, which I accepted.

Str1977 seems to be offline at the moment, and someone has already left a message on his talk page, about him, not to him(i.e. in the third person!), and I'm sure he'll be open to discussing it when he next logs on. In this case, I would certainly agree with some of his decategorizations (or recategorizations), and can see the reasoning behind the others. AnnH <b style="font-size:medium;">♫</b> 14:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the responses, and the time that you all put into reviewing this issue. I'm not always clear on when to talk versus when to call for attention, and I did have concerns about the speed of the changes being made. I didn't realize that "appears at a casual glance...is on a mission" would be considered loaded language; in fact, my intent was rather the opposite. I was trying to indicate that I wasn't quite sure what was happening, and at 2:00 a.m. (my time) I simply wanted someone else to look into because it was way past my bedtime. Likewise, I didn't realize that the various user templates were associated with specific "threat levels"; I almost always use user5 on this page because it makes all relevant info easily available. I actually tried to ensure that my post wasn't accusatory or inflammatory, but I did want someone more experienced to review the situation. It appears that he removed the cat from 40 articles in about an hour, which strikes me as odd, but if others are unconcerned about the issue I'll not worry about it any further. Thanks again for your time, and sorry for any inconvenience. Doc  Tropics  16:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem, you were quite right to bring it here if you thought it was a problem, and I don't think Str will get huffy. Regarding the different user templates, a lot of examples can be seen at the bottom of the user5 one. There used to be a problem with one that was called "vandal". It was eventually moved to userlinks, so we don't use it with the "vandal" name anymore. It gave user, talk, contribs, block user, and block log; and a decent user who had been blocked for 3RR (yes, there is such a thing!) would have his name appearing on the noticeboard with the word "vandal" in front of it in the source code! AnnH <b style="font-size:medium;">♫</b> 17:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Seeing this section title made me very concerned until I realised it was short for something. Please use abbreviations with care :-) --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, my first thought was "Colbert?" – Chacor 16:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ann for the heads up. Indeed I will not get huffy at Doc for bringing this up here (in contrast to Wetman's reaction filled with his usual condescension and insults.)
 * I am indeed not on a mission. I got drawn into the category by a posting on my talk page by Storm Rider, a Mormon editor. I had a look into the items of the category and found many inappopriate for various reasons. The "mythology" = "myth" angle was not one of them, though I see the danger in a reader misunderstanding this and also suspect that some editors did indeed post it with this in mind). Very broadly, my concerns were about the misidentification of mythology (concerns deities and supernatural beings) with legend and folklore. The category contained various Saints, even uncontroversial ones. It contained a number of items on relics (again very real objects, regardles of one's beliefs about them), it contained items that were mythology but more precisely Mormon mythology. Regardless of whether one sees Mormons as Christian or not, if an item is specific to only group alone it should not be associated with a wider (or different) group as such. Also, Biblical monsters did not seem very Christian too me. (And of course, the Islamic "al-Rakim" beat it all.) Finally, note that removing the category was not all I did - I also did some edits on problematic bits I came across (especially the Seven Sleepers). Good night, Str1977 (smile back) 02:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Str1977, since I brought your name up on this forum in a negative fashion, it's only appropriate that I should make a formal apology to you in the samevenue. I have reflected on this little debacle that I wrought, and now consider that I made the following errors:
 * 1) Seeing activity that I didn't understand, I jumped to conclusions not in keeping with an assumption of good-faith.
 * 2) I acted without taking the time to thoroughly review the situation. If I had, I probably would have seen that some of the cats were indeed inappropriate in the first place.
 * 3) I posted here instead of trying to open a discussion on your talkpage. Bad judgement and no excuse for it.

The end result of this was that 6 editors wasted time on a non-existent issue, and I'm sure it caused you some consternation. So I hereby apologize to all involved, and most especially to Str1977 for bringing his name to ANI so frivlolously and improperly. I have learned a lesson here, and while I'm sure I'll make mistakes in the future, I at least won't be making the same mistake twice. Doc  Tropics  21:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

User:Booshakla
was blocked for 24hrs for incivility & personal attack on top of a checkered history. User then blanked and replaced his talk page with the message "I quit". Would like an uninvolved admin to decide on appropriate course of action here.  Dei zio  talk 20:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (Not an admin, but) if he claims "I quit" then an indef block might be appropriate. Incivility, personal attacks, and sarcastic messages are one thing we can definitely do without. Yuser31415 20:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if an indef is necessary quite yet.It appears that User:Booshakla lost his WP:COOL and needs a break so the 24 hr is a good choice.Before yesterday this user never had a block (and yesterday's block was lifted).I'd say wait and see if he really quit, or if it is just a moment of frustration.--Isotope23 21:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Both spot on. Might be the way forward, but let's give him one more shot.  Dei zio  talk 21:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good choice. Thanks for telling me :) Yuser31415 19:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Failure to WP:AGF
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/BooyakaDell&diff=prev&oldid=94590243][ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lethaniol/BooyakaDell&diff=prev&oldid=94527837]{{User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] accuses me of being a sockpuppet of banned user {{User:JB196|JB196]]. That's all fine and dandy - he has the right to make such accusations (they aren't true), but he is also referring to me as JB196 which - being that the accusation has not been proven - strikes me as a violation of WP:AGF.BooyakaDell 23:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note, there's already TWO WP:AN/I incidents already tied to BooyakaDell/JB196, one moved to the archive yesterday without admin action, the 2nd one with WP:SOCK proof further up. WP:AGF Asks the editors to assume good faith, however it does not ask you to do so when bad faith has been proven. SirFozzie 00:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The only person assuming bad faith is yourself. Any look through my contributions list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BooyakaDell) by any neutral third party will show thatI have maintained WP:AGF throughout this process.BooyakaDell 01:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Be civil and don't make personal attacks, please. Thank you. Yuser31415 03:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Note - Sir Fozzie is not the only user to notice Booyaka's bad faith edits, and note as such. So have I, and so have a number of other editors - reference the archived WP:ANI (#155) and the RFC on Booyaka. Curse of Fenric 21:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you and an anonymous IP are the only users who I have had a problem with. Your lack of good faith has gone from simply being evident in edit summaries of articles to being evident in mass edits across various admins' talk pages.BooyakaDell 21:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was talking about users who have a problem with you, JB, not the other way around. Curse of Fenric 00:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * While this thread has been outstanding I conducted an investigation of the sockpuppet allegation and composed a long post to the RFC's talk page.It would help to resolve this dilemma if the editors answered my questions and supplied the requested evidence. Durova {{sup|Charg e! }} 14:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. SirFozzie 16:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Privacy violation by User:Paul Pigman
User is speculating about another user's legal name, here. &mdash;Hanuman Das 06:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, this comment which has become the basis for discussion of User:Rosencomet's identity posted in August by User:NLOleson, a sockpuppet of Mattisse, should also be removed. &mdash;Hanuman Das 06:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is this privacy violation being ignored? I thought identity revealing information was required to be removed quickly? &mdash;Hanuman Das 15:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

From below (Privacy violation by BostonMA):


 * Actually, there are at least two directors of the organization. The user in question has refused to answer questions about his legal name. Thus I sincerely believe this to be a privacy violation. I've updated WP:ANI with the correct link. See also the complaint for User:Paul Pigman further up the page. I thoguht privacy was highly protected on WP. Seems to me that one ought to err on the side of caution and delete questionable material. Unless they can point to where the user posted his legal name, speculating about what it might be is innappropriate. &mdash;Hanuman Das 16:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Further clarification from below:


 * Policy specificly say revealing the "alleged" name of another party. It does not have to be correct to be a policy violation. It also says that the intent of the policy is to keep the information from being found with web searches using the user's legal name. Since the user has nowhere stated his name publicly on Wikipedia, stating it together with other information constitutes a privacy violation as it will turn up in web searches by name when the user himself has been careful not to make the direct association.(This is most applicable to the original violation by Paul Pigman above).&mdash;Hanuman Das 16:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems to me that if he desired anonymity, he would have not authored his autobiographical vanity page Jeff Rosenbaum. It's nice that you are watching out for the interests of this user so diligently, though. - WeniWidiWiki 19:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Note - see also the discussion under ."Rosencomet" is the name used by the 2 directors of the organization; User:Rosencomet has stated repeatedly that he is the director of the organization.Following the links inputted by User:Rosencomet himself turns up this, wherin Rosenbaum is described as the director, with the exact same words User:Rosencomet has used to describe himself.None of this had to be "dug up", it was provided by User:Rosencomet himself. This ANI report is harassment of an honest user who is trying to combatlinkspam on the Pedia, made by an ally of the spammer.--Kathryn NicDhàna ♫ ♦ ♫ 19:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Kalpesh Sharma
has been disrupting wikipedia for many days now. He claims to be an Information Security Expert (read hacker) from India and wants his article on wikipedia. He has also been contantly vandalising the article Ankit Fadia until I had to semi-protect it. A complete timeline of his disruption can be found here. His article has been deleted through AfD. Since then he has created multiple sock accounts and created the same article across many namespaces. He was earlier blocked by Samir for disruption. He has been trying to get support off-wiki for his personal vendetta against Ankit Fadia. See these articles written by him where he claims that wikipedia administrators are Ankit Fadia's relatives, or that maybe Ankit Fadia is a wikipedia administrator. He continues to disrupt wikipedia by trying to get someone else to write an article on his. See his latest post of Jimbo's talk page. As I am partially involved, I would like other administrators to review the situation and block him for a longer duration if needed. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Kalpesh Sharma claims that what we call sockpuppets are actually the members of his group. But, I've enough reason to believe that these are sockpuppets. I mentioned this at Articles for deletion/Kalpesh Sharma: Talk:Kalpesh Sharma has been edited by a single ip user (59.95.198.207) who has signed the posts as different people from different cities. The page contains blabber about significance of the subject. If these members are from different cities, how come they share the same IP? Talk:Kalpesh Sharma has been deleted, but administrators can easily check history and verify this.


 * Kalpesh has been indulging in sockpuppetry not only at Wikipedia, but also at LUG-Indore -- for instance, see this (he has posted a message as Seema and has been caught by the moderator).


 * I posted a message to LUG-Indore mailing list. User:Prabhat linux, the moderator of LUG-Indore has asked Kalpesh to stop using ILUG-Indore for self-promotion and Ankit-bashing. Here's a portion of the message: "So, you are requested to stop doing all this at LUG-Indore's mailing list. We are very positive people and would like to remain same. We do not need another self-promoting, self-hyped person like Ankit Fadia. We have enough of him. Personally, you can do it, but not in the name and reputation of LUG-Indore's mailing list. You are requested not to post anything related to Ankit Fadia, any more to the mailing list.... We are kind enough to hear a lot from you, but now it seems, you want to promote yourself by puttingallegations on him and using our list as a media to create a hype about yourself." utcursch | talk 12:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Answer for administrators of wikipedia

KALPESH SHARMA - Now I will answer to all your queries mentioned above. Good that this is the first time aksi who calls himself great and utcarsch who calls me a jealous has talked in a proper manner on this user page. This could have been done before also, instead of speaking worst kind of language you two administrators. I talked on user page of Jimbo, sam blanning and also to nina eliza. Check it and let me know or ask them what kind of wrong things did I follow. I talked with due respect with them because for every word and every sentenece they gave me a deep and detailed explanation. I request the honorable management of wikipedia to check this where always a shortcut code was specified by these two users. Even there are other administrators working with wikipedia, who work in a proper way. This policy is not being followed by aksi and utcarsch resulting to this issue. When a new user comes to wikipedia he may do many wrong things, because he is not going to read thousands of links availabale on world's biggest encyclopedia. It's the job of administrator to show him the right path as mr. sam and nina did. See their word and detailed sentence. I am an information security expert and not a wikipedia administrator or editor who knows what and how to use and work out withmillions of links in the site webpages. You both administrators did not treat that way and then blaming me. Every where WP:shortcuts were mentioned. What do I know what does these shortcuts mean, you both have not given any proper explanations even a single time. At the end when you were both tired of again and again deleting kalpesh sharma pages, then mr. patruat gave this instructions that stop doing it. This was when I understood why my article was deleted. But patruat had informed first of all on with respect and detail explanation.

In my case utcarsch and aksi had never given detailed or proper explanation and their lanaguage was further bad when due to un understandability my several pages were created. You never did your work properly though so many times the deleting actions were taken by you. Not even a single time you have given any proper explanation. Now, when a person who is technically little aware has so many problems then what would you both be doing with non-technical peoples. You are a spoiling wikipedia's reputation between users of wikipedia. In this way how the wikipedia will be filled with valuable, reliable and notable contents. You both are trying to show that you are innocent. In of the sentences utcarshch says that

I could find only one reliable link[1] that doesn't indicate any notability.

I will show you the evidence that this is a wrong thing, if keyword 'kalpesh sharma' is mentioned in google the following so data is found from search engine. And for your information all are from reliable notable sources. You have till now mentioned only one link of cybercellmumbai.com and if so many times edition and deletion was done why did you not mark even one of below notable sources out of so many:

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14.http://digg.com/security/Ankit_Fadia_Ethical_Hacker_A_Zero_byte_character] 15. 16.

Then comes the topic of great aksi ! sorry but the great word is being insulted by aksi by putting behind his name. He says above that

"He has also been contantly vandalising the article Ankit Fadia until I had to semi-protect it. A complete timeline of his disruption can be found here. His article has been deleted through AfD. Since then he has created multiple sock accounts and created the same article across many namespaces."

I have allready mentioned that my member of groups or some one else who might be knowing about me has vandalized and not me. As concerns to IP if a single internet connection is used with sharing basis from a big company network or e-governence network or somewhere like such place then it's possible that same IP address range is being seen for every user who tries to do modification. My reputation has spread amongst several peoples and I have already worked with chief minister (where Egovernence network exists) as technical assistant. I went to university of gujarat where mr. parimal trivedi is the vice chancellor for some personal matter. There I met many peoples of university staff. May any director, professor or someone even operator level employee would have been directed to post my details on wikipedia. This is not sufficient evidence for saying that single user is vandalizing. I saw the history pages at that time, they were are with different IP address. Every time when some one tried to post about me from my group it was deleted by these two peoples. Then one of my group member mr. agrawal said me that this is happening on pages and contents of your name. After that I tried to edit personally with my own hands my own simple and easy article on



But, when I saw same deletions as my members did ! I went to Mr. Prabhat and gave my opinion that either ankit fadia is a administrator who might be protecting his own pages or administrators who are deleting(utcarsch and aksi) might be playing games so that ankit fadia pages could not be removed. Something is definietly wrong. Because if you look at the data posted on wikipedia about me carefully every time whenever a deletion was made the editing member either from my group or whosoever has placed the contents, has tried to correct the content or article through a modification. Then also it was every time deleted and no proper reasons were given. Now give me explanation whether is it not the job of administrator talk and explain every matter in detail.

Other then this when I was informed by sam on jimmy wales user talk page that go to deletion review, I had edited a message which was also deleted by either of them without any secific reasons. I have mentioned this also in a talk with sam on

I have been trying to get off wiki support is right. But I don't think that utcarsch or aksi has anything to do with that. And one more thing that India is country with freedom to speak in order to give their opinion, protest or give suggestions for one which is wrong. So this is useless reason. don't talk out of wiki topic. Else again I will have to say that do you both have any relations ankit fadia because again and again you are stopping me against my personal protest against ankit fadia. My personal protest or whatsoever I do out of wikipedia has nothing to do with current topic.

The following articles does not even contain single word about wikipedia encyclopedia company nor I have disrupted wikipedia. These articles mentioned complaints against the particular administrators who have been given special powers. Check it here is evidence

"About Wikipedia Administrators

This article is a copy of matter posted by one of my group member on wikipedia because whether or not good, if any one edits ankit fadia's article on wikipedia these adminsitrators do not allow them to do so. Wikipedia administrators are not the employees of wikipedia group in any way they are instead simple persons like all of us working on internet. They have been provided rights of administration for modification of contents on wikipedia to make it more better. Not one or two or three but many peoples edited ankit fadia's contents, but the administrators are relatives of ankit fadia who do not want any one to modify anything about ankit fadia. I am daily recieving many emails of my members and peoples who are in touch with me. Other then this some of wikipedia administrators are going falling to such a useless level that even if any one who does not have relation with me, and if he/she edits ankit fadia's page the wikipedia administrators say it's kalpesh sharma itself. And that I am doing so because my publicity is less then ankit fadia. "

Article 1 - http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976863338 Article 2 - http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976861802

I don't think that any one can say that I have mentioned any things wrong about wikipedia. But definitely ,I have mentioned about some administrators because I believe that they are really wrong. I don't think that saying anything about peoples, "who are doing something wrong in any way" is incorrect. In short if such peoples are given administration rights who does not allow anyone to edit wikipedia for truth and facts then soon wikipedia will lost reputation and as concerns to utcarsch and aksi they can find work anywhere else also. Without going in depth of the reality and fact about any particular matter, no one can be said to be wrong - niether me, niether ankit fadia, niether utcarshch, nor any of my group members. This is what utcarshch is doing after getting administration powers?

Again utcarsch has mentioned the same thing which aksi had specified that

" I posted a message to LUG-Indore mailing list. User:Prabhat linux, the moderator of LUG-Indore has asked Kalpesh to stop using ILUG-Indore for self-promotion and Ankit-bashing. "

Wikipedia or it's data or policies have nothing to do with what is mentioned on any forum, or what way we work or so on. And if utcarsch is trying to mention that I was stopped by prabhat for ankit related bashing then see this where prabhat has specified on LUG Indore Group on one of my topic against ankit fadia:

1 From:Kalpesh Sharma - view profile Date:Sun, Dec 10 2006 11:07 am Email: "Kalpesh Sharma" <shriganes...@gmail.com> Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author

Hello Everyone &Specially Sandy,

Read this email I am sending with header which is an evidence from a guy who recently sent me a mail about AFCEH certification. starts here--- X-Apparently-To: shrishani...@yahoo.co.in via 202.43.219.170; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:00:13 +0530 X-Originating-IP: [66.249.82.239] Authentication-Results: mta136.mail.in.yahoo.comfrom=gmail.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) Received: from 66.249.82.239(EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.239) by mta136.mail.in.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:00:13 +0530 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so92296wxd for <shrishani...@yahoo.co.in>; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:30:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com;

h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:conten­t-transfer-encoding:content-disposition;

b=mn/Er7PAYdZKA7FJZGDBR8ejNGI5zgycfZowpGAUo+14kZu/RgZe+PqjX4omQ/KfaGAif3vZE­bBOsyy21NGRSEELZTCZaHFvw5Iw8TN047InxaLsZLUe6ET1wI67tQrwwbf11w+HqrCYF6Ys9ZXf­moIFO/STHJkxkY1jM8FwOiM= Received: by 10.70.75.14 with SMTP id x14mr629755wxa.1165383011986; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.133.1 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <e6d5828d0612052130q2803e7b3jab8e96f334efb...@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:00:11 +0530 From: "Gaurang Parmar" <gauran...@gmail.com> To: shrishani...@yahoo.co.in Subject: Want to Know About CEH. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Hello,

Once i have sended the mail and u have replied me and asked more about me. thanx for ur kind eply. Now a days where r u living??.

I m S/W engg. doing a job in small software company @ ahmedabad and living at Isanpur,Ahmedabad i think u know this place.

today i m asking about CEH. it is really a good course to do and have a good oppertunity to have security expert jobs.

Before some day i have registerd for the Ankit Fadia's CEH at reliance web world and i don't think it is really good content and they only shows the pre captured ankit's video. only two times we have a video conference with ankit.

May i know what should be good kills should one have to become a hacker. i found u have not hacking other things then bank esystems means checking the system.

pls tell me more about CEH and how to become CEH from where should i do CEH in ahmedabad on is it possible to have a online education.

Gaurang Parmar 99256 17034 ends here---

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2 From:Sandy - view profile Date:Sun, Dec 10 2006 1:10 pm Email: "Sandy" <prabhat.li...@gmail.com> Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author

Hi Kalpesh,

This mail is a good evidence to AFCEH fraud. Lets spread the word. Fadia is nothing but money making machine for himself and Relience web world. No ethics, no shame.

Read these reviews of his books on amezon.com : 1. Official guide to waste your money!, 2. oh no ankit fadia again...., 3. Official guide to Unethical copy and paste (plagarism) 4. If I could I'd rank 0 stars 5. HIGHLY INCOMPETENT

Read them all here and have a good laugh: http://www.amazon.com/Unofficial-Guide-Ethical-Hacking-Miscellaneous/... http://www.amazon.com/Network-Security-Hackers-Perspective-Second/dp/...

Sandy

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3 From:Kalpesh Sharma - view profile Date:Sun, Dec 10 2006 3:39 pm Email: "Kalpesh Sharma" <shriganes...@gmail.com> Not yet ratedRating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author

Hello Prabhatji,

I am too doing this. And I am proud as well as all the member of our group should feel proud because we are all spreading this message with a good intention, for nation and citizen interest. Every citizen should know everything about him else they are all going to loose lot of money and by that period ankit fadia will fill his bank accounts.

Thanks for your support. and specially for this group that you have started... Else everything would have continued as it was moving... It's good that you are the first person across country to protest and gain so many peoples to join you... I am too feeling proud to be a member of your group...

Go Ahead --- I am always with good peoples only.

Kalpesh Sharma


 * In, short I found only one problem with both these adminsitrators Aksi and Utcarshch, that they have:

1)Again and again tried to save ankit fadia page though several peoples deleted or commented against ankit fadia excluding me, as if ankit fadia and their some personal relation of benefits exists.

2)Every time no particular deep and proper explanations were given about my page deletions

3)Every time tried to showcase that I am self promoting myself by vandalizing ankit fadia. The clarification of difference between self promotion and achievements is not clear to both aksi and utcarsch, so I had to specify this to sam blanning using jimmy wales user talk page.

4)Without sufficient evidence they self understood and claimed the article of Kalpesh Sharma as edited or posted by single user. Even if it was posted by single user that doesn't mean that they will come and directly catch my throat. They don't have this rights to say me(A reputed person) jealous or sock puppet which may be concern of legal matter and/or otherwise.

5)In the whole matter no where these two peoples have marked or specified any notable good matter for me. All they have mentioned is bad only about me. Why ? I ask. I have many achievements, why their eyes did not see this? Why their eyes did not see what prabhat of lug-indore group said good about me ? they tried to give all my weak points and overall behind that the matter is these two peoples have some beneficial relations with Ankit Fadia and that’s why this issue has gone so long.

I kindly request Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia Management and Any other Authorised person to look into this case from their views and not give my matter to any two these administrators utcarsch and aksi. Not at all.

Thnx – Kalpesh Sharma
 * You all see what I am talking about, right? I have tried to explain to this user that he is not notable. And that posts that he himself makes on online groups, blogs and forums cannot be considered reliable. But he continues to post links to his resume everywhere claiming that his "fans" are writing about him everywhere on wikipedia and not he. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * AKSI ATTN: AND EVERY ONE ALSO -

The places where I started blog created by me are :

http://kalpeshsharma.blogspot.com

http://kalpeshsharma.wordpress.com

The places where I write articles and where these articles are created by me :

http://shriganesh.gather.com

http://hacking.gather.com

My group website : http://kalpesh sharma.gather.com

Out of following five none was specified above. What a useless talk is this administrator creating evertime. He gives his own story without sense. In which above link did I mentioned this blogsites or articles site. I have specified that this was a search engines result. and none of them has been posted by me. Does wikipedia publishing is done acccording the great aksi law or according to legal procedures mentioned by wikipedia management. Thjis aksi is creating his own stories every time and posting incorrect about me. He also tries to explain every one that what ever comments, peoples list I have on gather.com is all created by me. Then why doesn't he give evidence. Who is aksi to directly give this statement on wikipedia. His is just a nominated administrator and not the owner or founder of wikipedia.

This person is again and again posting his message every where to harass me that I ma creating my own messages in comments ever where. I have 200 peoples in all these 5 sites connected to me, and only 30-30 peoples overall have commented. On some articles there are no comments at all. Then why this aksi is not saying that kalpesh sharma has not given comment on particular article. Then I should give more then 70 or 80 such comments myself. What a useless person - talking again and again same matter which I replied him atleast 5 times. If he has any evidence that these comments are posted by me then prove it. Else don't debate and go away ? Simple.
 * I must say this fellow has been rather disruptive about an article that was deleted at: Articles for deletion/Kalpesh Sharma.Myself and others have told him about WP:DRV.However he chose an adjunct to deletion review: he reposted this article about himself on Ankit Fadia, on my user page, on unrelated Kalpesh Patel, on Samir (name), on Shriganesh, and a number of other pages now deleted.Some diffs:, , , , , , , , , .He's misrepresented facts and has been rude in communication with myself and others.I blocked a number of his IP's for disruption during the above vandalism spree. -- Samir धर्म 21:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Privacy violation by User:BostonMA
User is speculating about another user's legal name, here. &mdash;Hanuman Das 16:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How does Heads up and a link to one of your posts constitute a privacy violation? HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Above that he is just linking to what the user said, it is not a privacy violation if the user himself revealed the information. BostonMA was simply correcting your mistaken use of the personal info warning box. Showing links to where a person has revealed their own personal info is not a violation of privacy. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems to me that this user's just trying to get other innocent users into trouble. – Chacor 16:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, fixed the link. It is my understanding that there are two directors of the organization. THe individual in question has not revealed his name, and in fact has refused to answer the question of which director he is. Thus, this is a privacy violation. &mdash;Hanuman Das 16:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If he's restating something someone else has said I can hardly see how that's a privacy violation. – Chacor 16:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No it isn't. He didn't even make the connection, just stated the facts. It's not a privacy violation to repeat what the person said, period. -Amarkov blahedits 16:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, there are at least two directors of the organization. The user in question has refused to answer questions about his legal name. Thus I sincerely believe this to be a privacy violation. I've updated WP:ANI with the correct link. See also the complaint for User:Paul Pigman further up the page. I thoguht privacy was highly protected on WP. Seems to me that one ought to err on the side of caution and delete questionable material. Unless they can point to where the user posted his legal name, speculating about what it might be is innappropriate. &mdash;Hanuman Das 16:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Speculation proves nothing, so it's not a privacy violation. Especially not speculating on what the person themself has said. -Amarkov blahedits 16:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Policy specificly say revealing the "alleged" name of another party. It does not have to be correct to be a policy violation. It also says that the intent of the policy is to keep the information from being found with web searches using the user's legal name. Since the user has nowhere stated his name publicly on Wikipedia, stating it together with other information constitutes a privacy violation as it will turn up in web searches by name when the user thamself has been careful not to make the direct association.(This is most applicable to the original violation by Paul Pigman above).&mdash;Hanuman Das 16:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If you say what your real name is then people have the right to refer to that, no information seems to have been released that was not released by the person himself. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The point is that the user hasn't stated their real name. Perhaps this incident is not a violation, but the earlier one by Paul Pigman reported above certainly is. And, no, I'm not trying to get the user in trouble, I'm trying to get the information removed. It's an admin decision whether action should be taken against a user. It's a policy that personal information be removed. &mdash;Hanuman Das 16:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But that is exactly what BostonMA was explaining when he removed your warning. The user made claims of these things himself here and here, using these claims to discuss a possible conflict of interest is not a violation of privacy. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 16:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a privacy violation whatsoever when the user in question has already volunteered the information himself -- Samir धर्म 20:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Concur with the above.Repeating the user's own words is not a violation.Guy (Help!) 23:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested block
A persistent vandal needs to be "permanently" blocked if this can be done without affecting others. Please see: User_talk:71.234.9.178. His/her? contributions have been mostly vandalism which you can audit yourself. Many editors have given him/her more than fair warning.Student7 20:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The IP in question has been blocked for one month.That's near the high end of blocks that we can give to IP addresses, since there is no way to know whether the IP will later belong to someone who is willing to be a positive contributor to Wikipedia.If after one month the user comes back and continues to vandalize, they will be blocked again for a significant length of time.We cannot block them permanently, however. —<b style="color:#333333;">bbatsell</b> ¿?  21:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I dont think you can block users permanently on wikipedia. --Crocadog 15:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

User protected my User page and discussion page over a week ago after she added incorrect and slanderous content (unfounded sockpuppet accusation template). Could someone remove the protection so I can remove the template as is my right since she provoded no evidence for the accusation. Canuckster 14:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There is a sock-puppet check pending here: Suspected sock puppets/Ottawaman, not sure why it has not been proccessed yet. It is not really an accusation, it says "It is suspected...", which is true, you are suspected. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 14:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The more I look at it the more I agree with Sarah. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 14:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Canuckster, if you feel that you've been mistreated, you can open a User Conduct request for comment, although I must say that I would agree with Sarah E as well. And for what it's worth, the word you're looking for is libel, not slander. A Train take the 14:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I know a few things about libel, having studied writing in graduate school, and I don't think this qualifies.As HighInBC points out, Sarah's template states that the account is a suspected sockpuppet.While the SSP report remains outstanding that assertion is true. Durova Charg e!  14:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. :) A Train take the 14:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also per WP:BEANS it is probably best not to teach new legal terms to this fella.(chuckle) HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 14:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

So um, shouldn't User:Canuckster be blocked too if he's a sock of an indefinetly blocked user? --W.marsh 15:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Suspected sock puppet. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 15:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why is so much of this discussion ad-hominem?I do not understand what the discussion above has to do with protecting my user space? Also, It was Sarah who made the block 1 week; does coming here for help result in blocks being made indefinite? btw I am not a sockpuppet and since no evidence was provided do I not have the right to remove the "suspected" template? Canuckster 15:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, what ever happened to assume good faith? Why are these kind of comments being made above; "it is probably best not to teach new legal terms to this fella"? Why is there such an adversarial reaction here? Canuckster 16:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

If Canuckster had bothered to ask me, I would have unprotected his pages when his block expired. With all his huffing and puffing and pestering other people, some of whom aren't even admins, to unprotect his pages, he hasn't bothered to ask me once. As far as the sock tag goes, I don't mind if he removes it as long he stops using both Bell Sympatico Dynamic IPs and his accounts to troll Michael Ignatieff, Talk:Michael Ignatieff and my talk page. And I'm warning him now that this is his last chance. There is no doubt that Canuckster is Ottawaman's sockpuppet but I feel reluctant to post evidence because they are currently very easily identifiable and I really don't want to educate him. I don't think anyone who reviews the contribution history of any of these accounts would be left in any doubt at all. For further information, see: Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive153 and Possibly_spurious_RfC_opened_regarding_Sarah_Ewart_by_Methodology.2FOttawaman (there are other threads back there that his various socks started about me, but I couldn't find them on a quick look) and admins can review Requests_for_comment/Sarah_Ewart which was filed using two of this user's sockpuppets. Sarah Ewart 16:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This manner of complaint really raises my antenna.Whenever I've challenged someone of being a sockpuppet and they've denied the claim I've offered to let them clear their name through WP:RFCU (WP:SSP would do if one of the accounts has been inactive too long).The ones who come up negative jump at the chance to clear the air.The actual socks blow all kinds of smoke. Durova Charg e!  16:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The single-minded focus on Michael Ignatieff is disturbing and they're just so disruptive on MI and Talk:Michael Ignatieff. I would love to RFCU, but I know them all to be using Bell Sympatico Canada dynamic IPs which which means they constantly get different IP addresses. Otherwise I would have taken it to RFCU ages ago. Sarah Ewart 17:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is Ottawaman, whom Sarah indefinitely blocked for trolling.The only thing we should be debating is whether Ottawaman (as Canuckster) deserves yet another second chance.With 4 blocks for disruption and trolling and 4 more for block evasion through sockpuppets and IPs, and considering he only here to attack Michael Ignatieff, I'd say he's at the end of his rope.Sarah should be commeneded for her patience with this editor, and if he is going to get a last chance then this really is it. Thatcher131 17:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The user page protections are still in effect.I do thank Sarah for apparently offering to remove the page protection; I assumed she would have removed the protections herself but I was obviously wrong about that and apologize for that assumption. I certainly have tried to only add reasonable material to the Ignatieff article which is quite important to Canadians and I would urge any interested to have a look to see those well cited edits which were just deleted en-masse by someone with no talk page discussion.. I hope this can be a new and cooperative beginning but am a loss as to how I can contribute to the article in question with such hostility towards these recent edits which I spent so much time on. Canuckster 19:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In such cases we have to weigh the pros and cons. I personally think the downside of the trouble this user and his socks has caused (assuming for the moment that our suspicions are well-founded) enormously outweighs any benefits of allowing this single-issue editor to edit here. I am against giving a last chance. I agree with Thatcher that Sarah deserves tremendous praise for the patience she has shown this guy. --Guinnog 19:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed.Sarah has shown remarkable poise in dealing with this editor -- Samir धर्म 21:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Ignatieff article is not something I alone am in conflict over and my work today on the article was substantial and meaningful especially by writing and citingthis entire topic. Canuckster 22:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I must say that I agree with Guinnog that the downside completely outweighs any minor positive contributions Ottawaman might make. If he was going to become a productive editor, I think he would have done so by now. He has shown here and on Wikinews that he has no interest in following policies and simply has an anti-American, anti-Ignatieff agenda to push. An interesting block log and edits from the same ISP. Sarah Ewart 01:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to note that the vicious attack above was entirely unprovoked. Sarah said she would gladly unprotect my user space. She did not. She said above "And I'm warning him now that this is his last chance"; now she says she does not want to give another chance; she accuses me of having an "anti-american agenda" which is a blatant lie and she makes all kinds of other crazy accusations. The anti-american slur is particularly libelous and, these days, a potentially harmful accusation to make. I did say that Ignatieff's allegiance to the US should have been in his article but at most I am anti-Bush foreign policy. Perhaps Sarah thinks Cindy Sheehan is also anti-american. It is shameful that here on Wikipedia I am having to defend my political opinions in this way. I came to this noticeboard to ask for help with the userspace protection issue. That has been settled by an admin. who unprotected the space. I then tried to remove this incident report that I placed here but was told I could not. If Sarah (or anyone else) wishes to be making ongoing and false accusations I am willing to engage in dispute resolution but I do not think this is the place. In the meantime I hope her supporters here will encourage her not to continue with the libelous namecalling.Canuckster 02:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't unprotect your pages because you didn't actually ask me until after I had gone offline and when I came back and received your message, it had already been done. I never said I would "gladly unprotect [your] user space". What I said was I would have if you'd bothered to ask me. Please stop twisting my words. As for whether you get a second chance, I'm leaving that in the hands of the community. As for you being anti-American, the evidence is in your edits. Sarah Ewart 03:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Please show us my "anti-american" edits. I'll call that bluff. Canuckster 03:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've no interest whatsoever in what you want and I'm not going to be trawling through the contribs of your various accounts for diffs. You've wasted more than enough time over the last six months and I'm not wasting anymore on you. The edits made by your various sock puppets have indicated a deliberate intent to smear Michael Ignatieff and a decided anti-American slant, something which contributed to you being community banned from Wikinews. Sarah Ewart 03:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)