Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Editor5435 & Spot

This subpage was an erroneous attempt to archive a incident that got corrupted and was ongoing. Please delete this subpage. It's proper current location is here. Spot (talk) 22:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Editor5435 & Spot

 * - possible old account of Editor5435
 * - created by Technodo, mostly edited by him and Editor5435
 * - created by Editor5435, almost identical to TruDef
 * - original article around which most of the disputes are occurring
 * - created by Technodo, mostly edited by him and Editor5435
 * - created by Editor5435, almost identical to TruDef
 * - original article around which most of the disputes are occurring

I don't have the time to write this up completely. I hope this will be enough.

Editor5435 is probably due a block by now for incivility, article blanking, blanking and editing Spot's comments, personal attacks against Spot, and more. There are a few diffs on Editor5435's talk page already.

Spot has written a number of inflamatory against remarks against Editor5435 and a company called TMMI, which Editor5435 most likely has a conflict of interest. Spot may have his own coi problems as well.--Ronz (talk) 16:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

My Defense
Spot's unscrupulous methods to bring my contributions into question and to discredit fractal compression are obvious and transparent. If you read the fractal discussion board pay close attention the comments made by. Kevin Baast who is obviously well versed on the subject.


 * "After having read much discussion on this page, I have come to the conclusion that Editor5435's arguments are among the most rational and logically-sound of those made here. It's a pity to see so much of it fall upon deaf ears. I applaud and encourage his efforts, and ask other editors to consider his arguments more carefully. Kevin Baastalk 18:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)"

Spot isn't being honest here and is acting in bad faith.--Editor5435 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I gave Editor5435 a 24 hour timeout, but he is right on one point: Spot (aka Scott Draves) has been editing articles on himself and his own endeavours, and many of them do not actually have external sources do demonstrate notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JzG (talk • contribs) 19:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * JzG, I would like to point out another inappropriate Wiki entry that appears to be self promotion. In the Wiki article Spot there is an entry under the heading Other meanings  - *Scott Draves, digital artist and VJ. Based upon the contents of the list I feel this in an inappropriate example of self promotion and should be removed.--Editor5435 (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please stop putting your comments into the top of discussions, that's not polite. I am google hit #6 for "spot" so I think it's entirely appropriate for me to be in a any list of "spots".  Any errors I have made editing other pages in no way justify what you have done to the Fractal Compression page.  I also invite you to reveal your true identity so we can assess your conflict of interest. Spot (talk) 20:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There you go again serving your own self interest by shamelessly advocating and editing articles/discussions about yourself. Its a blatant violation of Wikipedia's COI and self promotion/vanity.  As for the fractal compression page you might want to check out the discussion page, finally someone agrees with what I have been trying to say.  Again, I believe it is you who have an agenda to spread misinformation about fractal compression for some unknown reason.--Editor5435 (talk) 20:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you Ronz for bringing this to the attention of the admins, and Guy for stepping in. I don't know if I have time today to redo the article, but I'll get to it asap.  Frankly I am really sick of dealing with this and if someone else who knows fractal compression would step up, that would be great.  Perhaps if the text came from someone other than me, Editor5435 would be less incensed.  If you don't really know about fractal compression and the history of deception surrounding it, please do not just assume the truth lies halfway between his claims and mine.    Read the FAQ for starters, including the "Reader Beware" section.  I think the Wikipedia article should have a similar warning.


 * As for the notability and sourcing for the articles about me and my work, this probably isn't the right place to address them in full but note that I didn't create these articles and they they have survived for a long time and been edited by a lot of people. I have made some edits to them under my own name without any deception, but I believe I am allowed to correct basic factual errors.  If I have overstepped the rules then I apologize and invite an audit and the chance to provide references.  Re notability, have been covered in Wired Magazine (May 2001), Discover (twice), The New Yorker (July 2004), Valleywag, BoingBoing, etc etc.  My artwork appears on the cover of Leonardo and is permanently hosted on MoMA.org.  See my bio. Spot (talk) 20:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to defend myself against the insinuations Spot has made against me. The company (TMMI) issued a press release in December, 2007 and another in January, 2008 about its fractal compression development activities which coincided with a minor rise in its stock price. I was unaware of any renewed development in fractal compression until 2 weeks after the last announcement when I realized the Wiki article was out of date and inaccurate. I made my first contribution 23:39, 26 January 2008 under my old under name Technodo.  My browser lost its cache and I couldn't remember my password so 3 days later I created a new account Editor5435.  I have not logged in as Technodo since 05:04, 15 February 2008.  Also, I have been accused by Ronz of page blanking after I attempted to remove a page I created myself that everyone is screaming for its removal.  This was not an act of vandalism, my intention was to end this ridiculous controversy. As for Spot's continued harassment over (TMMI) on the fractal compression talk board I would like to point out the article has no mention of TMMI or TruDef, so its a pointless off topic discussion.--Editor5435 (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The below brought here from Ronz's page who asked us to continue the discussion elsewhere and suggested here. Spot (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Spot is still harassing me in my own talk page over off topic comments and accusations about TMMI. I have asked him on numerous occasions to stop. TMMI is not mentioned anywhere in fractal compression. What can be done about his annoying persistence in harassing me?--Editor5435 (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not harassment for me to defend myself against your attacks. If you don't want me to talk on your page, then don't talk about me.  Furthermore you have only once, today, asked me to stop.  I have only edited your talk page twice. Spot (talk) 21:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I am only defending myself against your ongoing libelous attacks against me. The fact I have discovered your frequent abuse and violations of Wikipedia's COI and NPOV, not to mention notability issues is a separate matter which I have reported to Wikipedia administrators. I have asked you on numerous times to stop your harassment on the fractal compression discussion board, you have since expanding your level of harassment to include my personal talk page. You persist with this nonsense about TMMI, a subject that is not even mentioned in the article about fractal compression. Your ulterior motives are transparent.--Editor5435 (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What have I said about you that's libelous? Spot (talk) 16:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that my statement "TMMI has a history of fraud" (iirc) has been confirmed by Editor5435 saying: "Fraud was committed against the company and its shareholders by a scam artist." on his talk page. Rather than respond there I will try to bring the conversation here since he objects when I respond on his talk page, calling it harassment. Spot (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Spot, you were insinuating that the company was committing fraud, quite a different thing than being a victim of fraud. Also you said "pump and dump fraud" which is libelous, Wikipedia could be sued that have such things displayed on its website.  You should be more careful about the accusations you make--Editor5435 (talk) 20:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The press release says that the perpetrator was a Director of the company at the time. Regardless of who the victim was, illegal shares were apparently issued and entered the market.  As for your accusation of libel, iirc I only said the possibility or appearance of a pump and dump (please point me at the exact quote, you seem to have deleted it).  Merely stating my opinion is not libel, and neither is a statement in good faith.  There are various people on the stock discussion boards saying the same thing, and in stronger language.  Your threats will not intimidate me. Spot (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You are introducing OFF TOPIC irrelevant discussion to fractal compression, none of the above has anything to do with the subject of fractal compression technology. Your obvious attempts to discredit this technology have failed.--Editor5435 (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You introduced the topic of libel. If you can't back it up, then I'll consider the case closed.  I do, however think it's rather interesting that you interpreted a statement about TMMI as "libelous attacks against me".  This is more evidence that you are part of TMMI or have some conflict of interest with them.  I would appreciate it if you would directly answer this question directly: do you have a CoI with TMMI? Spot (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You insinuated I was involved in a pump and dump fraud, stop trying to squirm your way out of this, and stop trying to obfuscate your attempts to discredit fractal compression by constantly trying to bring OFF TOPIC TMMI into the discussion, it isn't mentioned anywhere in the fractal compression article, just STOP this NONSENSE! Fortunately there are others who support my views on fractal compression and disagree with your false and misleading information you have attempted to spread.--Editor5435 (talk) 00:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The libel case is closed, unless you can show proof, like a link to the edit where I made this "libelous insinuation". If you continue to refuse to deny a conflict of interest with TMMI then I will have to assume you do have one, and notify other editors of it. Spot (talk) 18:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Editor5435 has nominated the page about me Scott Draves for deletion in retribution for our edit war. Spot (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Retaliation? Or because he saw it as shameless self-promotion? We do seem to have rather more articles on you and your endeavours than the limited sources would seem to justify. Guy (Help!) 18:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a bunch of sources to the talk page on the article. I didn't create any of these articles. Spot (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources? I saw more self-promotion. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  19:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The sources listed here: Talk:Scott_Draves are neutral third parties and established print periodicals writing about me and my work. Spot (talk) 19:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Scott Draves article has external links to his own websites draves.org  and scottdraves.com which is gross abuse of Wikipedia, honestly, who makes web sites about themselves and uses Wikipedia as an advertising service?--Editor5435 (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

This page transferred here to save it from deletion on the scrolling noticeboard. I think we are supposed to keep going here, but seems like it should be indexed somewhere too. Not sure I did this right. It was confusing because Editor5435 added a new section here called "My Defense". Spot (talk) 09:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)