Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds

This list is not exhaustive. Discussion on talk.

Selected relevant articles

 * 1) Kurds
 * 2) Kurdistan
 * 3) Syrian Kurdistan (sometimes aka "Western Kurdistan" or "Rojava")
 * 4) (traditional geographic region split between Turkey, Syria, and Iraq) (see e.g. )
 * 5) (20th-century administrative region)
 * 6) (20th-century Arab Nationalist project settling 4000 farmer families in northerneastern Syrian)
 * 7) aka  Syriac name town founded in 1920's renamed after Ba'ath Party loyalist general as part of the above
 * 8) Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (AANES) also sometimes aka "Rojava", declared autonomous in 2012
 * 9) Afrin Canton now known as Afrin Region, includes Afrin, Syria and Kurd Mountains (Kurd Dagh)
 * 10) Kobani Canton nka Euphrates Region, includes Kobani (Ayn al-Arab), Jarabulus, and Ayn Issa (current AANES capital)
 * 11) Jazira Canton nka Jazira Region, includes Qamishli (former AANES capital) and Al-Hasakah
 * 12) Turkish Kurdistan ("Northern Kurdistan")
 * 13) contiguous with Qamishli
 * 14) Iraqi Kurdistan ("Southern Kurdistan")
 * 15) Iranian Kurdistan ("Eastern Kurdistan")
 * 1) Iranian Kurdistan ("Eastern Kurdistan")

2020 Kurd-related noticeboard threads
Many archive pages have multiple relevant threads. Search the page for "Kurd".
 * 1) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive411
 * 2) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive416
 * 3) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive417
 * 4) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive418
 * 5) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive419
 * 6) Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive421
 * 7) Administrators' noticeboard/Archive322
 * 8) Administrators' noticeboard/Archive325
 * 9) Administrators' noticeboard/Archive327
 * 10) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1033
 * 11) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1035
 * 12) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036
 * 13) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1043
 * 14) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1044
 * 15) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1048
 * 16) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1049
 * 17) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052
 * 18) Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1053

Related WP:SPIs:
 * 1) Sockpuppet investigations/IbrahimWeed/Archive
 * 2) Sockpuppet investigations/Lapsed Pacifist/Archive

User:Thepharoah17
Dec 2020
 * 1) "ethnic cleansing" changed to "force drastic demographic change" Special:Diff/995136524, and reinstating it after revert
 * 2) Removing Kurdish language
 * 3) Removing name "Kobani" (Kurdish) from the Kobani infobox and replacing it with the Arabic name Ayn al-Arab Special:Diff/993015002
 * 4) Similar "Kobani" to "Ayn al-Arab": Special:Diff/994344266 Special:Diff/994345333 Special:Diff/994347662 Special:Diff/994348816
 * 5) Removing other Kurdish language translations Special:Diff/994935082
 * 6) Removing "____ Kurdistan"
 * 7) Removing "Turkish Kurdistan" (sometimes among other changes) Special:Diff/993207435 Special:Diff/993209349 Special:Diff/994505765 Special:Diff/995109682 Special:Diff/995278278 Special:Diff/995278807 Special:Diff/995282124 Special:Diff/995290620 Special:Diff/995291091 Special:Diff/995291908 Special:Diff/995292229 Special:Diff/995292902 Special:Diff/995295465 Special:Diff/995315396 Special:Diff/995316250 Special:Diff/995452558 Special:Diff/995453133 Special:Diff/995454998 Special:Diff/995241804/995455163 Special:Diff/995283314; edit summary: "There is no Turkish Kurdistan" Special:Diff/995449181; Removing "Turkish Kurdistan" with edit summary "readded info previously removed"
 * 8) Removing "Northern Kurdistan" Special:Diff/993764586 Special:Diff/995279181
 * 9) Removing "Iraqi Kurdistan" Special:Diff/994521479 Special:Diff/995314674
 * 10) Piping "___ Kurdistan" Special:Diff/995279942
 * 11) Removing "Rojava"
 * 12) Removing references to Rojava/AANES Special:Diff/993785938 Special:Diff/993939228 Special:Diff/993939530 Special:Diff/993941202 Special:Diff/993941588 Special:Diff/993942707 Special:Diff/993946621 Special:Diff/993947120 Special:Diff/993947999 Special:Diff/994350026 Special:Diff/994353119; even from Kobani Special:Diff/994364633 (restore after revert); even from Rojava conflict Special:Diff/995111605 Special:Diff/995112429
 * 13) Removing Rojava topics template from Kobani Special:Diff/993008289; from Qamishli Special:Diff/993018106; from others Special:Diff/993028237 Special:Diff/993027914 Special:Diff/993028030 Special:Diff/993028146
 * 14) changing Rojava to AANES Special:Diff/995110627 Special:Diff/995498556 Special:Diff/995498777
 * 15) Removing "Syrian Kurdistan"
 * 16) Removing "Syrian Kurdistan" from Kurds in Syria Special:Diff/993945930
 * 17) Changing "Syrian Kurdish" to AANES Special:Diff/994958811Special:Diff/995113897
 * 18) Turkey/Syria
 * 19) Removing reference/links to Turkish occupation of northern Syria Special:Diff/994486818 Special:Diff/994487972 Special:Diff/994959110 Special:Diff/995135584 Special:Diff/995301247 Special:Diff/995301346
 * 20) At Turkish involvement in the Syrian civil war, changing "...against the Syrian Democratic Forces and (to a lesser extent) the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" to "...mainly targeting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" Special:Diff/994959883
 * 21) Same article, removing large chunks of content Special:Diff/994970478
 * 22) Removing content from lead of Military history of the Republic of Turkey Special:Diff/995293299
 * 23) Removing mention of Turkey's invasion of Afrin Special:Diff/994972396
 * 24) Reordering infobox at Turkish involvement in the Syrian civil war to put Syrian Kurds in front of ISIS: Special:Diff/993766880 Special:Diff/993935689
 * 25) Changing "northern Syria" to "northeastern Syria" (hence excluding the areas in the northwest that were invaded by Turkey) Special:Diff/995112698
 * 26) Changing "invasion" to "offensive" Special:Diff/995134762
 * 27) Removing Afrin as the capital of Afrin Canton Special:Diff/994530443 Special:Diff/994947979
 * 28) Removing that Qamishli was the capital of AANES from Qamishli Special:Diff/994945913 (it was the de facto capital from 2012 to 2018, as noted in this edit)
 * 29) Removing Ayn Issa as capital of AANES from AANES Special:Diff/994946732 (it has been the capital since 2018)
 * 30) Emptying categories
 * 31) Removing entries from Category:Geography of Rojava Special:Diff/993391888 Special:Diff/993182626 Special:Diff/992953551 Special:Diff/992953616. See also Special:Diff/994617518 and Category talk:Geography of Rojava (discussion from 2015 begins, "@عمرو بن كلثوم:, stop removing the entries from this category").
 * Category:Euphrates Region, inc. from eponymous article Special:Diff/992953077 and cities in the region Special:Diff/992952714 (reinstated after revert)
 * Category:Afrin Region, inc. from eponymous article Special:Diff/992952422 Special:Diff/992952153 Special:Diff/994561920
 * Category:Regions of the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria Special:Diff/994553331
 * Category:Regions of Rojava Special:Diff/992953360
 * 1) Other changes
 * 2) "refers" to "may refer" and/or re-ordering list of ethnic groups Special:Diff/995293850 Special:Diff/995294174
 * 3) Operation Euphrates Shield (the Turkish invasion of Syria), changing "were settled in" to "have returned to"; changing "Rojava" to "AANES"; adding an Erdogan quote calling Syrian Kurdish groups "terror groups"... all with the edit summary "cleanup" Special:Diff/995116755
 * 4) Operation Olive Branch: removing or piping references to the Syrian National Army and Afrin District with edit summary "cleanup, fixed false info" Special:Diff/995120287, reinstating after being reverted
 * 5) These subtle changes to the meaning of text at Kurds in Iran, edit summary "cleanup" Special:Diff/994551404 Special:Diff/994551781
 * 6) At List of assassinations of the Kurdish–Turkish conflict, removing an entry Special:Diff/994563697 with edit summary "Was not assassinated by Turkey". The source is WaPo, headline "Turkish-led forces film themselves executing a Kurdish captive in Syria"
 * 7) Removing the "Fatalities" section from International Freedom Battalion Special:Diff/995274262
 * 8) Piping Autonomy to "Kurdish self-management" Special:Diff/995283443
 * 9) Removing "Armenian Genocide" from a section heading Special:Diff/995284951
 * 10) Removing Turkish Kurdistan and replaces it with Turkey from the article Kurmanji, the Kurdish language with the edit summary removed WP:OR
 * 11) diff suggesting that the Kurdish YPG and ISIL are just as bad.
 * 12) diff here then accusing me of deeming ThePharoah an "ISIL sympathizer" for mentioning that The Pharoah17, Amr Ibn and Supreme Deliciousness had a surprising tolerance towards ISIS.

User:Ridax2020

 * 1) Registered Dec. 8
 * 2) In their second edit, !votes in an RM Special:Diff/993041119 (Kurds mentioned in rationale); before making 40th edit, closes the same RM in favor of their !vote Special:Diff/994142591
 * 3) Opposes an RM at 2016 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Special:Diff/993579397 (and related RM Special:Diff/994576232) then closes it as no consensus Special:Diff/994591826
 * 4) Opens an RM at Talk:Iraqi Civil War (2006–2009) Special:Diff/994377117 then makes the move Special:Diff/994389874
 * 5) Moves Mosul offensive (2016) to Shirqat offensive (2016)
 * 6) Removes "civil war" from the lead of Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) Special:Diff/994150634
 * 7) Changes to the lead of Iraqi Civil War (2006–2009) Special:Diff/991832023/994444405
 * 8) Other changes: Special:Diff/993106579 Special:Diff/994776884 Special:Diff/994559751 Special:Diff/994951003 Special:Diff/994561193 Special:Diff/994561233

User:Antepli0234

 * 1) Registered Dec. 9
 * 2) First edit: Special:Diff/993257830 from Kurdish to Turkish-Kurdish
 * 3) Removing Kurdish translations: Special:Diff/993933464 Special:Diff/993934524 Special:Diff/993960169 Special:Diff/993963006 Special:Diff/993972871
 * 4) Changing "primarily Turkish speaking Kurds and Arabs, but also Turkmen" to "primarily Turkmen, but also Arabs and Kurdish families" Special:Diff/994035097 Special:Diff/994035398

User:عمرو بن كلثوم
Dec 2020 (except where noted)
 * 1) Partially blocked from Talk:Syrian Kurdistan for POV pushing and BLP vio on 12/15.
 * 2) Starts Talk:Rojava conflict
 * 3) Canvassing
 * 4) at User talk:HistoryofIran
 * 5) at Al Ameer son (Aug 2020)
 * 6) Removing "Rojava"
 * 7) Removes "Rojava" from Qamishli Special:Diff/980525889 in Sep 2020; in Dec 2020 adds "Kurdification process and Christian population opposition" section to Qamishli using a source entitled "From Qamishli to Qamishlo: A Trip to Rojava’s New Capital" Special:Diff/993189003. Changes "Christian population opposition" to "Christian population resentment" Special:Diff/993298653.
 * 8) Removing "Rojava" Special:Diff/995285835
 * 9) "'rojava' is POV-pushing per se" Special:Diff/995392670
 * 10) Kurds/Arabs/Syrians
 * 11) Removes Kurdish translation from Jarabulus Special:Diff/994724313 Special:Diff/994724346
 * 12) "historically been highly diverse" to "historically been the domain of nomad and sedentary Arabs" Special:Diff/994634003
 * 13) "predominantly Kurdish" to "predominantly Arab", citing a source that doesn't support the statement (and is a NatGeo blog entry by a freelance journalist ) Special:Diff/994546679 Special:Diff/994546960. Then putting the Arabic translation in front of the Kurdish translation Special:Diff/994547096.
 * 14) Changing "which was predominantly Kurdish" to "based on reports of illegal infiltration of tens of thousands of Turkish Kurds into Syria". Special:Diff/994553177 See also Special:Diff/995472949 and Special:Diff/995295383
 * 15) wanting to move Syrian Kurdistan in Kurdish occupied areas in Syria, or PYD controlled areas in the midst of the Siege of Kobane by ISIL :diff (2015)
 * 16) not taking part in a discussion constructively on a name change from Arabic into Kurdish by answering I don't care what you think... (May 2020)


 * 1) Seeming to classify areas liberated from ISIL (Like former ISIL stronghold Tell Abyad) as Kurdish or PYD occupied. (October 2016)
 * 2) Being occupied by MILITARY FORCE is one thing, and being part of a political entity is a completely separate thing.
 * 3) The areas in your maps are occupied by military force (as part of the Syrian civil war), and the Kurdish militias will be kicked of from those areas. If you want to write on the map "Areas occupied by PYD forces" then that's OK with me, but to invent a name and depict on the entire northern Syria territory...


 * 1) Further
 * 2), (Inserts and re-inserts claim that Kurds did not live in the Jazira region before the French Mandate, created to justify the Arab Belt ethnic cleansing policy in Syrian Kurdistan on the page "Arab Belt". Misrepresentation of sources. Edit summary: Added some background info and number) (June 2020)
 * 3) "The conventional wisdom talks about three parts of Kurdistan; in Turkey, Iran and Iraq."..."While Kurds do live in Syria (various parts), no Syrian territory is considered part of Kurdistan, which is also echoes in the Treaty of Sevres map. We can refer to the presence of Kurdish-inhabited areas in northeaster Syria, but it is a mistake to refer to that as part of Kurdistan" (July 2020)
 * 4) "Give me one source published before 2011 mentioning the term Syrian Kurdistan. Yes, there are Kurdish inhabited areas in Syria, but with other groups, nothing purely Kurdish." (July 2020)
 * 5) (removes a link to "Syrian Kurdistan" from the article on "Iraqi Kurdistan", edit summary: "Who says northern Syria is Western kurdistan?") (October 2020)
 * 6) (removes a link to "Syrian Kurdistan" from the article on "Kurdistan", edit summary: "Updated regional coverage per established sources, not POV outlets") (October 2020)
 * 7) "I provided the all-important Treaty of Sevres map above, and a number of academic books that talk about Kurdistan, but no "Syrian kurdistan". ... On a quick factcheck, it is interesting that none of the links provided above by Paradise (sic, recte: "GPinkerton") has "Syrian Kurdistan" in the name. (!) We are not arguing about the presence of a Kurdistan or Kurds in Syria. One last thing, I just visited one of the links provided above by Paradise and could not even find Syria in there. There is Iran, Iraq and Turkey." (November 2020)
 * 8) "a number of academic books that talk about Kurdistan, but no "Syrian kurdistan". ... argue that this term was produced by Kurdish nationalists during the Syrian Civil War. We are not arguing about the presence of a Kurdistan or Kurds in Syria." (November 2020)
 * 9) "We have a ton of evidence presented throughout the article and the Talk page that this is a term used/invented by Kurds" (November 2020)
 * 10) "You fail to make distinction between presence of Kurds in Syria (just like in any other country) and Syrian Kurdistan. Respected maps and books have not shown the existence of a Syrian Kurdistan, although they still talk about Kurdish communities. PKK/PYD portal have started this rhetoric of a "Syrian kurdistan" during the Syrian civil war and the control of large swaths in northern Syria by PYD militias." (November 2020)
 * 11) "I propose renaming this page to "Kurdish region (or regions) of Syria"." followed by failure to engage with refutation with numerous counter-examples (Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan/Archive_2) followed by the the exact same cherry-picked claims three weeks later presented on the same talk page (Talk:Syrian_Kurdistan) (November 2020)


 * 1) Prof. Martin van Bruinessen
 * 2) GPinkerton adds a 1978 source (among many) explaining the meaning of "Syrian Kurdistan" to a discussion in which this editor is claiming there are no sources that use this term, or none before the 1980s. (In this discussion at NPOVN.)
 * 3) User:عمرو بن كلثوم then reintroduces this source rather reverentially as "Martin Dr Martin [sic] van Bruinessen (Fellow of the Kurdish Institute in Paris)" while indulging in argumentum ex silentio about the book's preface! (On the Syrian Kurdistan talkpage.)
 * 4) User:عمرو بن كلثوم is taken aback at GPinkerton's refutation of his claim that the phrase "Syrian Kurdistan" does not appear in the book (it does and is explained), and suddenly changes his mind on "Martin Dr Martin" the erstwhile worthy academic in respectable Paris, whose PhD-thesis-turned book was published by the University of Utrecht Press, but who in Act 2 now appears a radically changed character, a mean scholar [he's actually a professor] whose book is now merely personal opinion and tainted by association with the Center for Kurdish Studies (sounds very neutral) [emphasis original] which, in the space of less than twenty-four hours, has now become unspeakably biased and unusable for reasons that remain unexplained. The statement concerning Kurdistan divided between four modern states in the professor's book is now neutralized as now NOT an established fact. (The question of the reliability of arguments drawn ex silentio from the book's preface is not addressed ...)

See more discussions and diffs at:
 * Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_86
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052

Denial of ethnic cleansing
What reliable sources say: and:

What عمرو بن كلثوم claims (latest example only, emphasis added) On this very page عمرو بن كلثوم changes "Kurdish" to "Syriac" and "ethnic cleansing project in Syrian Kurdistan" to "project settling 4000 farmer families in northerneastern Syrian" (sic!)

On this very page عمرو بن كلثوم [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FKurds&type=revision&diff=1000023437&oldid=999993564 quote mines in service of a defective argumentum ex silentio fallacy, transparently ignoring that Tejel explicitly describes the Arab Belt policy as ethnic cleansing. (vide infra ...)]


 * GPinkerton, your account is not really supported by the more reliable sources, who do not even mention "ethnic cleansing". Examples:


 * David McDowall (2004) -a Kurdish studies expert -:
 * Jordi Tejel (2008), Syria's Kurds:
 * Even the Kurdish institute does not mention your "ethnic cleansing" allegations. Harriet Montgomery (2005), The Kurds of Syria: An existence denied:

User:Shadow4dark
Dec 2020
 * 1) Opening Talk:Koban%C3%AE to move Kobani from Kurdish name to Arabic name Special:Diff/994617856
 * 2) Removing map of Kurdish areas in Turkey from List of active separatist movements in Asia Special:Diff/993812963 and Secession in Turkey Special:Diff/992059371
 * 3) Remove reference to "Kurdish Genocide (Turkey)" from Secession in Turkey Special:Diff/992060085
 * 4) Describing a Dutch political party founded by two Dutch Turks as "far left" Special:Diff/993401538, reinstate after revert
 * 5) At Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) making changes, e.g. "The vast majority of victims were children, elderly and women" cited to Daily Sabah Special:Diff/991553626; see Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 321
 * 6) At Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict, makes changes removing reference to 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh War and changes text regarding Armenia-Saudi-Iran relations to reduce Armenian-Iranian connection Special:Diff/992490736

User:Supreme Deliciousness
See also: Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1052
 * 1) "there are NO historical evidence that a "Syrian Kurdistan" exists, or a "Kurdistan" in Syria. Nothing! ZERO! 0%. Its is all cherry-picked modern authors, zero historical documentation"
 * 2) "By phrasing it as it is in the article GPinkerton is giving unsupported legitimacy to a "Syrian part of Kurdistan" by mentioning these real geographical states together with a made up "Syrian part of Kurdistan"."
 * 3) "In 1939 the french census of the Jazira region showed the bulk of the population being Arabs/Assyrians/Armenians and a minority being Kurds. We have several sources describing how kurds came in waves after waves from Turkey to Syria. We have several sources saying "Syrian Kurdistan" is not real. How can Wikipedia then possibly claim that in the 1920s a "Syrian kurdistan" existed in Syria that was divided? This claim is only a belief held by some people. This is a kurdish narrative that some people go along with. And other do not. It is not a historical fact."
 * 4) "Non-kurds are the majority"
 * 5) "suggested text is presenting "Syrian Kurdistan" as being a real name for an area in Syria, which it isn't. The text is also claiming that before WW1 there was a "Kurdistan" that was divided and placed within Syria, which is also historically inaccurate"
 * 6) There are no "kurdish areas" in Syria, they are Kurdish-occupied. (October 2019, during the Turkish invasion of North East Syria)

User:Attar-Aram syria

 * 1) "There are no historical record that puts the Kurdish inhabited regions of Syria within historical Kurdistan before the establishment of Syria"

User:GPinkerton

 * 1) Here on this very same page, they are continuing the crusader that led to their indefinite block last month. They are falsely claiming: . Well, the Kurdish studies expert David McDowall states the following:  GPinkerton is calling relocation of 4000 Arab families within THEIR country into a province with >350,000 residents ethnic cleansing. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Paradise Chronicle

 * Repeatedly makes baseless accusations claiming other editors of showing "tolerance towards ISIS".
 * WP:BLP violations here
 * Ignored DRN case they opened and suggestion by volunteer user Nightenbelle, and decided to remove the SOURCED Washington Post material and Washington Institute material and continued to edit-war. They even removed the material during the DRN