Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Wiki editor DonFphrnqTaub Persina/Archive 2

For another version of "now",...

 * Now, as for complaints, comments about me,....


 * ... as well as my complaints about this website's [these websites'] policies,.....


 * This system does not seem to be productive,.....


 * I, therefore, must offer some proposals on how to  proceed; in fact, I do not conceive of how anything could improve w/o something very similar to these concepts.  I am convinced that these issues, &  wikimedia, would worsen unless some specific structure is put to implementing:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Wiki_editor_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina&diff=178925926&oldid=178920267 >.

How might I be clearer?:


 * Are these merely advertizing?

If that is all that it is, then these websites are virtually a complete waste of the internet:  period.

[01.] These specific proposals should  elicit   licit  responses from the same persons who have  hitherto  commented on this page, attempting, to the extent feasible, to employ logic that I can comprehend, & that we could all  endeavor  to refine, that we could reach sufficient agreement that success is closer, within reach, feasible.

[02.] That this comment would be  acknowledged once on my page, by one of you.

[03.] That comment would include a notation as to whether this page is permanent, perpetual, as archive, &/or otherwise.

[04.] Any & all further comment about me from all of the above persons would continue on this page, except where attached to a specific article  per%20s%c3%a9.   Or, where specific provisions otherwise arise, develop.

[05.] That a specific page be created to  supplement  this one, w/ similar provisions, hereof:

[a.] Six to nine, inclusive, & approximate, issues would be listed. When approximately nine, or so, would be reached, one of us would generate an extension of some sort.

[b.] Therefore, twenty specific disputes would cause approximately two or three of this category.

[c.] A  daisy-chain  of issues would develop, w/ similar issues collected on one page.

[d.] Other disabled should be encouraged to contribute, or to similar variations.

[e.] This is the crucial element, the reason for much of this list, specifically. The complainant, & others, should sign as to whether each issue is resolved. If this provision is not implemented, then the very possibility of resolution  is increasingly  elusive.

Is this website   fact, or  fraud?? That is my challenge. I want this to become what it claims to be; it is so crucial, that it is definitively important that it would occur, & that many other similar websites would continually be generated, regarding every conceivable concept, conversation. Choose any recent international event,..... This sort of improved communication is absolutely necessary.

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 00:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Pacific_Standard_Time Pacific_Daylight_Time Pacific_Time_Zone  UTC-8  Clipperton_Island  UTC-12  UTC%2b12  UTC%2b12  UTC%2b14
&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 08:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * utc
 * Zulu_%28disambiguation%29
 * z
 * z_%28disambiguation%29
 * utc_%28disambiguation%29
 * u_%28disambiguation%29
 * cut_%28disambiguation%29
 * cut_

As the zero-point reference, UTC is also referred to by the military and civil aviation as Zulu time (Z).< >  zulu  zulu_%28disambiguation%29


 * abbreviation zulu_%28disambiguation%29

The International Telecommunication Union wanted Coordinated Universal Time to have a single abbreviation for all languages. English speakers and French speakers each wanted the initials of their respective languages' terms to be used internationally: "CUT" for "coordinated universal time" and "TUC" for "temps universel coordonné". This resulted in the final compromise of using UTC.< >< >

"UTC" also has the benefit that it fits in with the pattern for the abbreviations of variants of Universal Time. "UT0", "UT1", "UT1R", and others exist, so appending "C" for "coordinated" to the base "UT" is very satisfactory for those who are familiar with the other types of UT.

"UTC" has been erroneously expanded into "Universal Time Code" or "Universal Time Convention".< >< >


 * time offset zulu_%28disambiguation%29

This page was served on UTC


 * Chamorro
 * Western_Samoa
 * American_Samoa
 * Samoa


 * Hawaii
 * Hawaii
 * Hawaii
 * Hawai%ca%bbi_%28disambiguation%29


 * Hawai%ca%bbi_%ca%bb%c5%8c%ca%bb%c5%8d
 * Hawai%ca%bbi_
 * %ca%bb
 * %ca%bbokina
 * %c5%8d
 * Aleut
 * shun
 * W%c3%ba_M%c3%a1n
 * %c3%ba
 * %c3%a1
 * woman
 * pipa
 * ruan
 * chinese_lute
 * lute
 * loot
 * looting
 * pollute
 * pillage
 * plunder
 * villa
 * village


 * Newfoundland%2c_New_Jersey
 * station_agent
 * the_Station_Agent
 * UTC-3:30
 * Newfoundland_Standard_Time_Zone
 * Newfoundland_time_zone


 * zulu_%28disambiguation%29

UTC utc   cut   CUT   Universal_Time_Coordinated_   wiktionary : emplacement

 * @ "cut" is:

Phrases starting with cut:
 * Cut, copy, and paste, a widely used procedure for change data emplacement in  informatic storage  or applications
 * Cut and fill, a process of building a railway, road, or canal

"...procedure for change data emplacement,..." seems poorly worded; I cannot translate it.


 * Why is there an apparently irrelevant  link @ the top of  Coordinated_Universal_Time,  Universal_Time_Coordinated_?

How did that get there?

Why did it get there?

Who did it?

What sort of code would do that?

Does it provide any perspective? How?

Does it relate to Greenwich,  Greenwich_Mean_Time,  Universal_Time, somehow?

Virtually everything scribed on the internet, particularly on these websites, is extremely dependent on  time. The various pages related to time might become easier to use than they have been hitherto. It should, as well, be simpler to ascertain  time from any page.

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 10:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

< >.






< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/image:at_sign.svg >.


 * Sure is a lot that goes into that. I only just now noticed that.

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 05:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a neat little template, for sure. Most people don't know about it, but I did some work on it a while back, so...   l'aqùatique      talk   06:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank You f/ that comment; however, that is certainly one of my rather very tertiary  interests herein listed,....:

I have listed many much more granite  issues, such as this list:


 * < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Wiki_editor_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina&diff=181290516&oldid=181203058 >.

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 07:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

➵ →  ←  %e2%9e%b5   %e2%86%92  %e2%86%90  right|30px|north arrow symbol

 * < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=arrow_%28symbol%29&diff=181673187&oldid=176177709 >.

There are a variety of problems w/ the arrows:

most go right;

these lists are difficult to read;

et-al.


 * ➳
 * ➴
 * ➵
 * ➶
 * ➷
 * ➸
 * ➹


 * Miscellaneous Symbols
 * Simlish


 * dingbat


 * printer%27s_ornament


 * arrow_%28symbol%29


 * Mapping of Unicode characters
 * Unicode chart Arrows
 * Unicode chart Supplemental Arrows-A
 * Unicode chart Supplemental Arrows-B
 * Unicode chart Miscellaneous Symbols and Arrows
 * Unicode Dingbats


 * right|30px|north arrow symbol
 * right|60px|north arrow symbol

What else shall it take to drag wikimedia in a more positive alternative direction??

 * Is it that most of your arrows turn right?
 * Why does wiki  insist on being the  problem, when it insists on advertizing itself as the  solution?

I had sincerely thought that this is a good list:
 * < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Wiki_editor_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina&diff=181290516&oldid=181203058 >.


 * %e2%98%ad

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 22:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If Barack_Hussein_Obama
could spend several hours as Iowa's  nominee, the impossible might actually  occur. How much longer before you  shall respond to my challenge, & actually do what you claim to be doing?


 * ignore
 * ignorance

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 12:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all surprised (although I am glad) that Obama won the caucuses.
 * As far as answering your challenge, I'm not sure what you are expecting from us. The sort of change that you are seeking, as desperately as it is needed, does not happen overnight. There is a team of people, including me, who are working as hard as we can to improve accessibility around here. If you really want to see change, why don't you join us, instead of simply complaining?   l'aqùatique      talk   18:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

sea change sea-change  seachange  ¡¿ doppelgänger
I do not know how to do that.

This my proposal:


 * < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Wiki_editor_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina&diff=181290516&oldid=181203058 >.

If you reject that,....

If you have another proposal as to how I might propose regulations that would actually resolve these issues, then fine,....


 * Please, do tell me how I might scribe a regulation that would say that in many cases, deletion should not be the first response.


 * Please do try to trust my  judgement, if only  tentatively would be acceptable, that  this page  could be employed as an excellent  object lesson  of exactly what many, possibly not all,  politically active  disabled have  opposed f/ a long time; I became aware of  Los Angeles Network of Mental Health Clients  &  American Disabled for Accessible Public Transit, in 1985, prior to when some of you had been  birthed, the era of  Ron Raygun:

¡¿ doppelgänger.


 * Furthermore, you might, as well, suggest which elements of which pages you would encourage my edits on.


 * Yet further, you might assist me to communicate w/ the wiki   software developers; although the basic software has some very excellent features, there are many suggestions that I could propose.


 * Even yet further, you might guide me, coach me, as to how to commence a wiki website, in order to work on several of these issues. Do you have a domain service provider preference?


 * Yet even more further, there are several issues that I've listed on this page; how might you guide me to correct some of these? These suggestions are sprinkled throughout my above comments.


 * In each case, propose what to do; I might just attempt it.

&#91;&#91; hopiakuta Please do  sign  your  signature  on your  message. %7e%7e  Thank You. -]] 01:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. First off, though- this may interest you... I am actually writing to you over a dubious internet connection of unknown origin from aboard the M/V Malaspina of the Alaska Marine Highway System currently located in the Georgia Strait north of Nanaimo, British Columbia. So if I don't respond quickly, you know why.
 * I think that many of your problems stem from your computer itself. Quite unfortunately, technology is advancing so quickly these days that it seems like you can buy a computer and before you've even got it set up, it's obsolete. The software that wikipedia uses is among the most modern and advanced, and it really does require a new, new computer for full functionality. Now, you've had quite a bit of success even with your computer, but, I would suggest, that next time you have the opportunity to use a new computer (OS X or Windows XP+), say, at the library or work, wherever... you log into Wikipedia and tool around a bit. You may find that many of your accessibility problems have already been solved with fixes that require newer software to function.
 * Honestly, I had some other stuff to say, but it's like 11:00p where I am, the seas are kind of choppy, and I'm feeling a little green around the gills, so you'll excuse me if what I was going to say escapes me at the moment (read: I forgot). I'll write again tomorrow morning if I still have internet. Otherwise, I'll be back on dry land on Monday.   l'aqùatique      talk   08:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)