Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rodhullandemu/Evidence/emails

The first I heard of this was an email from Roger Davies, stating Please contact the Arbitration Committee by email at your earliest convenience at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org. Why should I reply to a group to which I have only write-only access, except in general terms? So my reply was I am contacting ArbCom, as requested. I may not be able to react too quickly, as my sleep is still very poor, but I am at least going to try to eat something Hi Phil: Thank you very much for contacting us. As you have probably guessed, the events of the last week or so have now come to the attention of the Arbitration Committee, and have prompted a review of your contributions. On the one hand, there's clear evidence of a tireless and diligent editor; on the other, there's equally clear evidence of an administrator whose conduct falls short of the high standards the community expects of them. Nobody expects administrators to be perfect but my colleagues are all very concerned about the picture that emerges. I'm not talking here just about the extraordinary edit-warring on the Clowns article but also about the pugnacious nature of some of your block log comments and edit summaries; about the ease with which you hand out lengthy blocks; and about the large number of blocks you have placed in situations where you are clearly editorially involved. I'm sorry to say that we've now reached a point where the clear consensus is for you to be desysopped by motion and perhaps also subject to an interaction restriction with Malleus Fatuorum. However, the Committee is mindful of your long and dedicated service and has no intention of acting publicly in this matter unless it has no other alternative. A dignified and low-profile solution might be for you to resign your sysop bit voluntarily, with a note explaining that if you ever wish the tools to be returned you will do so via a fresh RfA. To put the whole business behind you, you might also consider it appropriate to announce that you will voluntarily cease interacting completely with Malleus Fatuorum, enforceable by blocks. While this note is sent in my individual capacity, I will nevertheless share its contents with my colleagues. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them but I would appreciate your response at your earliest opportunity. In the meantime, it would probably be best if you refrained from using the tools. I look forward to hearing from you,
 * The next relevant email I received was from Roger Davis in his personal capacity, which read 

Roger Davies cc ArbCom   Roger Davies wrote: > Hi Phil: > > Thank you very much for contacting us. > > As you have probably guessed, the events of the last week or so have > now come to the attention of the Arbitration Committee, and have > prompted a review of your contributions. On the one hand, there's > clear evidence of a tireless and diligent editor; on the other, > there's equally clear evidence of an administrator whose conduct > falls short of the high standards the community expects of them. > > Nobody expects administrators to be perfect but my colleagues are all > very concerned about the picture that emerges. I'm not talking here > just about the extraordinary edit-warring on the Clowns article > but also about the pugnacious nature of some of your block log > comments and edit summaries; about the ease with which you hand out > lengthy blocks; and about the large number of blocks you have placed > in situations where you are clearly editorially involved.
 * My response to this was that of any accused person:

There are clearly four issues here:

1. Edit-warring on Clown: How is it "extraordinary"? I saw an editor change "many" to "few", or vice-versa, in relation to "fear of clowns", which in our article Coulrophobia is also unsupported by any reliable source. I changed it to "some", because that, at least, is a defensible statement. I was reverted by Malleus, who provided no source, and added a tag. He added a source, which was completely inadequate to support his edit, and, taking the view that he should know better, I took it to his Talk page. He proclaims his proficiency in taking article to FA status, but, come on, we do NOT misrepresent sources. As it happens, the trio of articles Clown, Coulrophobia and Evil clown need serious attention, if not only to remove the redundancy and trivia that is common to all of them.

2. "Pugnacious nature of block log comments and edit summaries"; Diffs? I am at least entitled to the courtesy of those, but let me say this: when I initially assume good faith, and am disappointed, and take editors through the whole gamut of warnings, as far as I'm concerned, they deserve little. Chances are that they may learn, and start a new account, but there are recidivists who will never get it.

3. "Lengthy blocks"; again, Diffs, please, since I will indef-block vandal-only accounts. As regards other blocks, I follow the tariff that seems to have been enshrined in the drop-down boxes, in that if a 24-hour block doesn't get the message across, an increase is indicated. Behind that, being here day after day, I do get a feel for the vandals that target those on my watchlist, and get a feel for repeat offenders; that's part of the experience that Admins are expected to have. It's always open to those editors to appeal their blocks but I know that ArbCom has not the will or the time to go through how many have done so, successfully or otherwise. Perhaps, over the last three years, someone should care to do the statistics, but my impression is that well over 99% of my blocks stick. That tells me that I'm getting it largely right.

4. "Editorial involvement"; again, Diffs, please. You are fully aware that "editorial involvement" is a hot potato, and a bone of contention. Maybe I learned the difference early on in my admin career, and have struggled to distance myself from such contention since; however, I have striven to point editors to the Talk page, and recently so, but if they will not do so, and repeatedly, they must be blocked for edit-warring. Whereas I may have an opinion as to what an article should be, most recently on Sir Walter Raleigh, I am perfectly prepared to leave it up to consensus, although I do not consider myself from offering an opinion; any editor could do the same, admin or not. But I didn't take any admin action in relation to that article beyond blocking an obvious Sock/Meat puppet.

> I'm sorry to say that we've now reached a point where the clear > consensus is for you to be desysopped by motion and perhaps also > subject to an interaction restriction with Malleus Fatuorum. However, > the Committee is mindful of your long and dedicated service and has no > intention of acting publicly in this matter unless it has no other > alternative. A dignified and low-profile solution might be for you to > resign your sysop bit voluntarily, with a note explaining that if you > ever wish the tools to be returned you will do so via a fresh RfA. To > put the whole business behind you, you might also consider it > appropriate to announce that you will voluntarily cease interacting > completely with Malleus Fatuorum, enforceable by blocks.

I am perfectly prepared to avoid MF, and have already indicated an intention to do so. However, given the above evidentially unsupported reasons for desysopping me, because, quite frankly, I have not had the opportunity of dealing with a "traditional" RFARB, I am not prepared to relinquish my sysop bit when threatened by an apparent kangaroo court that not only has not taken "due diligence", but also has taken a view without the normal courtesy of an RFARB. I worked in the legal system of the UK for enough years to realise the value of the principles of natural justice, not the least of which in this case is "audi alteram partem".

A further point is that I took my RFA on the basis of fighting vandalism, although I have done a lot of other admin work, but the point is that you don't do that to make friends; you do it to keep Wikpedia on track. My Talk page has been a constant target of abuse, trolling and vandalism as a result. So, really, thinking about it, what chance do you really think of my passing another RFA in those circumstances? The answer is zero. So, sorry, that's not a credible option, and I'm amazed that you even think it a possibility.

The bottom line is exactly this: although some of my contribs here may be questionable, I'm entitled to the benefit of the doubt, and on balance, my aim has been to make a substantial contribution here. My user page sets out my contributions, FWTW. And the question is simply this: Do you want me here or not? I'm not prepared to edit this encyclopedia with my arms tied behind my back.

> While this note is sent in my individual capacity, I will nevertheless > share its contents with my colleagues. If you have any questions, feel > free to ask them but I would appreciate your response at your earliest > opportunity. In the meantime, it would probably be best if you > refrained from using the tools. I look forward to hearing from you, > > Roger Davies > cc ArbCom > > > On 25/02/2011 21:04, Phil wrote: >> I am contacting ArbCom, as requested. I may not be able to react too >> quickly, as my sleep is still very poor, but I am at least going to >> try to eat something. >> >> Cheers, >> >> RH&E  "In the meantime, it would probably be best if you refrained from using the tools."
 * My reaction was also coloured by the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", hence my reply here:

Since when has vandalism NOT been a problem on Wikipedia. Short answer: never. I will use the tools that the community has current consensus in my ability to use until they are taken from my cold, dead hand, by the community, and nobody else.

I came here to do that, and I strongly believe in it.

Regards The next substantive email I got was from Elen: I've just finished writing up the evidence - there's certainly enough for a desysop, in fact I've had to tone it down as I don't want it to look like a hatchet job. I don't think there's nearly as much risk to our credibility as you think here. There's more of a risk to you I think - as with the response to the motion, it could be a lot of people discussing procedural, and no-one actually insisting that you should get the tools back.
 * Strong words, perhaps, but at that point, ArbCom, or their spokespersons, had conspicuously failed to provide any evidence against me, and that stuck in my throat. Sorry for being human. Rodhull  andemu  00:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

However, none of us wants to put a good man down, and you've certainly worked very hard for the project. I think it possible that a compromise about how you might regain the tools in time could perhaps be worked out. Who knows, in a year everything could look different.

I'm not going to be around for the next few days, but I'm sure Brad would discuss it with you further.
 * Hatchet job? It's in the essence of a hatchet job that it is merciless; however, so is Elen's evidence. Compromise? No chance, according to anything ArbCom has said, or even following up Brad's suggestion of a middle view- I offered an olive branch, which was rejected out of hand, without even any negotiation. Anyone have any ideas why that is unacceptable to the community at large? Rodhull  andemu  00:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)