Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2018/Candidates/Fred Bauder/Questions

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Questions from Nick
I'm guessing you've missed this question, so to get your attention to the above ^ Nick (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Collect

 * 1)  Collect (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 1)  Collect (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 1)  Collect (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Boing! said Zebedee

 * That does not distinguish between reporting and editorial, does not address your apparently partisan placing of the material in that article, and does not answer the question "Do you still maintain that this contribution was in accordance with WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, WP:RS, and WP:DUE?". ArbCom candidates should not be evasive, in my opinion.
 * So you are not open to discussing personal issues relating to civility if they are not deemed the business of the ordinary plebs who actually build the encyclopedia, but you want to be elected on a platform of enforcing civility on the rest of us? Why should we not consider that hypocrisy?
 * It is the public discussion and decisions I have made that are relevant, not the lyrics of Blue Yodel Number 12. User:Fred Bauder Talk 23:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the sarcasm/condescension, it is noted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That does not distinguish between reporting and editorial, does not address your apparently partisan placing of the material in that article, and does not answer the question "Do you still maintain that this contribution was in accordance with WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, WP:RS, and WP:DUE?". ArbCom candidates should not be evasive, in my opinion.
 * So you are not open to discussing personal issues relating to civility if they are not deemed the business of the ordinary plebs who actually build the encyclopedia, but you want to be elected on a platform of enforcing civility on the rest of us? Why should we not consider that hypocrisy?
 * It is the public discussion and decisions I have made that are relevant, not the lyrics of Blue Yodel Number 12. User:Fred Bauder Talk 23:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the sarcasm/condescension, it is noted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is the public discussion and decisions I have made that are relevant, not the lyrics of Blue Yodel Number 12. User:Fred Bauder Talk 23:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the sarcasm/condescension, it is noted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Winged Blades of Godric

 * Thanks for answering the above questions. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering the above questions. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering the above questions. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering the above questions. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Eric Corbett



 * Interested enough to offer to pay to have sex with her I understand was the allegation. But why do you single out women for special consideration? Surely not all complaints made by men are honest either. Eric   Corbett  17:57, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * You might be right, I don't remember the details that well. After all, I didn't participate in any such conversation. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from Beeblebrox

 * Okay, but given that answer, why shouldn't I a) not vote for you and b) tell every person I know they should not vote for you as I think you will be a terrible arbitrator who will do things that appear to be punishment and give slippery and evasive answers? Perhaps I'm jumpy about this sort of thing today, but right now I will be voting "oppose" - but you have the power and ability to change my views. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I watched that entire press conference as it was happening. Lots of "when will you stop beating your wife" questions. And then, after some sort of "answer" was given, they would keep on talking without giving up the microphone to the next reporter that was called on. Conducting any kind of productive dialogue in such a highly charged atmosphere is nearly impossible. Here, at Wikipedia, the need to regularly engage in productive dialogue is vital. User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:01, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Should I read that as you declaring my vote is not important to you and my views are irrelevant? A long-standing arbitrator who is very experienced with dealing with civility expressed concerns about your off-wiki conduct, and you refused to answer. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Should I read that as you declaring my vote is not important to you and my views are irrelevant? A long-standing arbitrator who is very experienced with dealing with civility expressed concerns about your off-wiki conduct, and you refused to answer. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, this goes directly to Fred’s supposed commitment to civility, in particular towards women, so it is relevant. And personally I did not “quarrel” with him at all about it. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What press conference? What is the functionaries list?  When did the candidate join and when did the candidate leave?  What does this have to do with civility?  Do we have diffs or wiki links so I can look this up to assess the candidate's position?  It drives me nuts when there are discussions like this when everyone is supposed to know what is being talked about, and if you weren't part of the dispute or discussion of some dispute, you have no idea what drama is being talked about.  It communicates that if you were not part of the discussion or dispute, your opinion does not matter at all.  How am I as an editor independent of this dispute supposed to assess this candidate based on the question and the answers? --David Tornheim (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Beeblebrox's question implies that there is hidden information which puts me in a bad light. By posting it here, rather than asking me privately, he is able to create a bad impression. I think the material he wants to repeat is posting of the lyrics of Blue Yodel Number 12, an old Jimmy Rogers song, on a mailing list as my comment about a case where a woman made a great deal of trouble. But I'm not sure. Ritchie333 links to a BBC article and video of Trump, and reporters, acting nasty at a recent press conference. It has the intended effect, a skillful slur. User:Fred Bauder Talk 07:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Um, Ritchie333 was the one who posted the BBC link. I hate to have to say this but I think it is important, don't you think people trying to be arbcom members should be better at following threaded discussions, in particular working out who was saying what in mostly signed discussions? See confirmation [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Candidates/Fred_Bauder/Questions&diff=prev&oldid=867845244] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Candidates/Fred_Bauder/Questions&diff=prev&oldid=867816733] Nil Einne (talk) 08:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC) 08:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point, corrected. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (EC) The press conference is referring to the recent press conference of the president of the US which was highly contentious for numerous reasons including those mentioned in the link to BBC given above [//www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46133268]. You can watch the whole (I think) press conference here File:President Trump Hosts a Press Conference.webm. There is some limited discussion in this article Jim Acosta but that is only really one issue. Civility is one of the issues that clearly arose there, and it's enforcement and refusal to engage due to alleged incivility and other things. Although I think we also have to be realistic that whatever the rights and wrongs of the press conference and how Jim Acosta was barred, we probably shouldn't expect random volunteers who want to contribute to building an encyclopaedia to have to put up with the same sort of stuff that the US president may be expected to, and likewise what is expected that the White House (and US federal government) in handling disputes. However people may still see parallel concerns. The functionaries mailing list is described here Wikipedia:Functionaries. I assume that Fred Bauder was added to the list when it was created sometimes around January 2009 Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard/Archive 1 as they were appointed to arbcom in 2003 when it was first created [//lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-December/008801.html] as sort of mentioned in their candidate's statement, so were a former arbcom member when the list was created with the membership criteria including former arbcoms. I think they unsubscribed back around February 2014 per these [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Functionaries&diff=next&oldid=598192872] and Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard/Archive 10.  It seems clear to me from the above discussion that those of us who aren't part of the list don't know in particular why this involves civility because it's a private list and so the contents will remain private unless those who wrote the info reveal it. While this may be slightly infuriating to those of us who don't know what it's about, since lists subscribers can vote it's probably fair enough for them to ask about any concerns they have here. A notable point is that as I understand the above discussion, Fred Bauder probably can talk about what went on, without violating the privacy of others who may have taken part, or revealing anything else that cannot be made public. They have chosen not to, as is their right.  Nil Einne (talk) 08:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the full explanation! I had not clicked the link to the CNN Acosta and Trump dispute, which I am familiar--my bad.  I had mistakenly assumed the candidate was answering the original question about some a press conference related to the mysterious dispute, rather than talking about the Acosta press conference.  It does make more sense that this is a hidden dispute that only concerns those who were present when the dispute took place, and perhaps the few people on that list want to speak to their concerns that only they know about.  For those of us not on the list, it is a bit like the proceedings of the highly secretive FISA court. --David Tornheim (talk)

Well, I would take Fred's reply above as sufficient for me to go ahead and air it out, even though it is probably rather moot at this late date. The topic under discussion involved off-wiki harassment between some blocked or banned users. Not much any of us could do about it really. It is worth noting that some of the harassment was of a sexual nature. For some reason Fred thought it would be helpful to attach the aforementioned song lyrics to his post, the exact passage being "Never take a woman who is short and thick,She'll have you hunting lions with a little old walking stick." Not the worst thing I've ever heard by a very long shot, but not helpful to the matter at hand either. Several other functionaries said as much, and Fred's only reply was to abruptly unsubscribe (or he was abruptly kicked off? see below) from the mailing list without further comment. None of that is the kind of behavior one would expect from someone asking to be elected to our highest authority on dispute resolution on a platform of bringing back civility. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, fred is now saying he was kicked off. If true I have no idea who made that decision or how it was made, but it was clearly related to this incident as it happened the same day. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Despite being ignorant of what actually happened you feel free to excrete here! But why? What is your purpose? User:Fred Bauder Talk 20:00, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from Ceoil

 * I'm not seeing much evidence that your view of "fairly" is widely shared, or that you care if others see it so or not. Ironically (putting it nicely) you are coming across a caste conscious warrior. Ceoil (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see that you feel free to act as ugly as you wish here, an assessment which I believe is true. I would change that and enforce Civility. You, should you continue to engage in ugly behavior, would be subject to sanctions, and, if you are unable to control your behavior, which I suspect is true, would not be able to participate on Wikipedia. So, in a way, you are fighting for your life. I understand. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see that you feel free to act as ugly as you wish here, an assessment which I believe is true. I would change that and enforce Civility. You, should you continue to engage in ugly behavior, would be subject to sanctions, and, if you are unable to control your behavior, which I suspect is true, would not be able to participate on Wikipedia. So, in a way, you are fighting for your life. I understand. User:Fred Bauder Talk 17:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from User:slatersteven

 * I did, this is not about him (he is not standing) it is about you. It does not matter what he did (as an admin and experienced ed you should know that by now).Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I did, this is not about him (he is not standing) it is about you. It does not matter what he did (as an admin and experienced ed you should know that by now).Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I did, this is not about him (he is not standing) it is about you. It does not matter what he did (as an admin and experienced ed you should know that by now).Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I did, this is not about him (he is not standing) it is about you. It does not matter what he did (as an admin and experienced ed you should know that by now).Slatersteven (talk) 09:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Carrite

 * Thank you for your answers. Carrite (talk) 06:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answers. Carrite (talk) 06:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answers. Carrite (talk) 06:34, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from

 * Thank you for your answer. feminist (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your answer. feminist (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from Guerillero
Thank you for running for the hardest and most thankless job on the project. I am rehashing most of my 2015 questions, but I don't think that these issues have been resolved over the past three years. Enjoy!

Question from Amanda

 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you in advance for your answers to my long set of questions. I ask these questions based on my experience as an Arbitrator. The answers may not be as clear cut as you think. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Questions from

 * I'm not a fan of quack medicine. It's fraud. Once when I complained about chest pain from second-hand smoke, a local quack, a licensed MD, offered me a course in acupuncture. I remarked that a drum and rattle might work as well, and I wasn't joking, traditional Native American medicine practitioners rely heavily on suggestion, which probably works better than little needles. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of quack medicine. It's fraud. Once when I complained about chest pain from second-hand smoke, a local quack, a licensed MD, offered me a course in acupuncture. I remarked that a drum and rattle might work as well, and I wasn't joking, traditional Native American medicine practitioners rely heavily on suggestion, which probably works better than little needles. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of quack medicine. It's fraud. Once when I complained about chest pain from second-hand smoke, a local quack, a licensed MD, offered me a course in acupuncture. I remarked that a drum and rattle might work as well, and I wasn't joking, traditional Native American medicine practitioners rely heavily on suggestion, which probably works better than little needles. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from Beyond My Ken

 * Thank you for your response. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Question from User:Ryk72
Discretionary sanctions (DS) now cover more than 30 topic areas (per WP:DSTOPICS).

Thank you in advance for your consideration of these questions. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 00:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)