Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron – Rescue list/Archive 19

John McHugh Sr.
I noticed 7&6=thirteen and both worked on this article, and Lightburst created it. Its up for deletion discussion now. If anyone can find sources to convince everyone the person is notable, the article will be rescued from deletion.  D r e a m Focus  03:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Kept No consensus Per the closer: "The result was no consensus. There is a clear absence of consensus to delete at this time, and evidence of sufficient discussion of the subject in reliable sources that inclusion is not clearly impermissible. Based on the course and high participation of the discussion, it is not apparent that relisting would generate any further clarity. BD2412 T 14:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)" 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Big Bad


Sun Tzu famously wrote "Know your enemies..." One of them was Mutant Enemy... Andrew🐉(talk) 16:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

List of apologies to China
Surely media sources have covered this topic. The list could probably use more information as to why each entry is there in a table.  D r e a m Focus  01:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Ironhide (2nd nomination)
If the character was this popular for so long in so many notable media versions, I would think there would be coverage of it somewhere. All I found was a single review of one of the toys. Anyone have any ideas where to search?  D r e a m Focus  03:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Judith Blake CBE
Anyone wanna present extra proof that CBEs are notable than I already did? ミラP 01:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! (British series 1) et al

 * Need help from people who have access to the show and can verify details inside. ミラP 17:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "attracting on average over 9 million viewers" is what the main article says. So should be plenty of coverage.   D r e a m Focus  18:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Very important to note that such articles should also mix primary and secondary sources. ミラP 21:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I used Google and set the advanced search to only show news results from 2002 to find mentions of the show from the year the first season was on, and got no results at all. Searching 2003 got three results from the BBC, none of them but brief mention of it.  2004 has some results  to sort through.  I guess year by year it got increasing amounts of coverage.  I decided to search coverage by year to find coverage each season got on its own, to add reliable sources for each individual season to prove it was notable, but that might be a problem with the oldest seasons.   D r e a m Focus  02:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You should also take into account the possibility of offline sources in addition to online sources. I hear Google News’ algorithm is biased towards the New Tens. ミラP 04:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I used Google and set the advanced search to only show news results from 2002 to find mentions of the show from the year the first season was on, and got no results at all. Searching 2003 got three results from the BBC, none of them but brief mention of it.  2004 has some results  to sort through.  I guess year by year it got increasing amounts of coverage.  I decided to search coverage by year to find coverage each season got on its own, to add reliable sources for each individual season to prove it was notable, but that might be a problem with the oldest seasons.   D r e a m Focus  02:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You should also take into account the possibility of offline sources in addition to online sources. I hear Google News’ algorithm is biased towards the New Tens. ミラP 04:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Super-chicken Model



 * A behavioral/productivity model which tries to explain the behavior, based on research about the most productive egg laying hens. Apparently a behavioral scientist kept the most productive egg layer hens to try to create Super Chickens: he found that they would kill each other. The individually productive chickens had only achieved their success by suppressing the productivity of the rest. So now this is a productivity model for business. Is this WP:OR or is there enough RS to show that this article/stub belongs. Perhaps we should build the article if it is deemed worthy. Lightburst (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I recall in the 1980s at a company I worked for we called people like this "rare birds". It is a pejorative, like "super chicken", the idea has been around a long time with new feathers. The lesson is what we learn in 5th grade, working cooperatively as a team is better than being a lone rooster. The emphasis is on teamwork. I'm sure the military has similar techniques in boot camp. We have an article on teamwork and this seems like it might be an example of "Ingrained Individualism" and "Individual Tasks".  --  Green  C  15:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * adonis49 (July 9, 2015) Drop the Super-chicken Model in the workplace Adonis Diaries Adonis49.wordpress.com. Good discussion, with lots of concrete examples. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 15:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Closed as keep. Per the closer: "The result was keep. Consensus is to keep - even delete comments acknowledge that the topic exists and has sources. The main point of contention is how to deal with the topic - to merge it elsewhere was considered but found inappropriate as this is a distinct study, and the amount of material would weigh down proposed targets. Much discussion was focused on the exact name, but nothing definite was decided. Opening a page move discussion to find the most helpful name would be the next appropriate stage."  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 12:39, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

There is a move discussion regarding a new title for this Super-chicken ___________. Lightburst (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Hammerax
The result was keep. This is not about soliciting !votes. I am posting it here because the article could still use improvement. You will see that the commentary at the AFD continues to be hostile. I discounted do consider the source and of the evident hostility, but nonetheless think we should try to improve the article. Trying to find more sources is a problem. Not many reviews of the products (cymbals) themselves. Apparently percussionists are not writers (much) and are faced with the difficulty of trying to describe performance (which is somewhat personal) and sound (which is mainly subjective) in words. They have to resort to metaphor, like a wine review. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Just closed. But I think we still need to fix up that article if we can. Lightburst (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Sometimes the only way to find more coverage is to contact the subject of the article and ask them where they have been reviewed or interviewed at. Email address listed at official website, find them on various social media and question them there, or see if they have an official forum to post at.   D r e a m Focus  12:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I already did that. They sent me an e-mail that said their network had been hacked, and the data was gone.  I sent a reply and asked them to look for paper copies.  I have heard back.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

The Markdale Standard
Ontario newspaper apparently published for 133 years. Sources may be offline and difficult to find. [first time trying out the ARS list] &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 18:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The result was keep. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 10:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. ST47

The Scouring of the Shire
There are lots of Tolkien topics at risk currently. This is a good one to focus upon because there are many sources discussing it and its meaning. For example, "The hobbits return to find their beloved Shire diminished by bureaucratic malice. They are told, “Everything except Rules get shorter and shorter”". Andrew D. (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Now at merge discussion Talk:The_Return_of_the_King.  D r e a m Focus  17:37, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Charles Henry Pugh
This was an expiring WP:PROD. Need help finding sources for 19th century British founder. Founded several notable companies, but maybe needs to be renamed Charles H. Pugh, Ltd. Posted short note in Talk. StrayBolt (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Another awesome save by ARS. --  Green  C  14:03, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * There is a question raised on talk page whether the company or the person has more notability. I think the article about the person is taking shape, and the main hurdle is that the person died in 1901. The company continued under the direction of his sons for many more years. Thinking out loud, perhaps someone might also consider starting an article for the company Charles H. Pugh Ltd.? Lightburst (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Scump
Does anyone know about video game players who win notable championships? Surely somewhere out there covers this sort of thing and the players.  D r e a m Focus  22:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Motion to delete this project yet again
A deletion discussion done is being done yet again at Village_pump_(proposals).  D r e a m Focus  15:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Any ideas for improvements that can be made to "rescue" the project? –dlthewave ☎ 02:07, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Find people who ignore the facts and keep spreading rumors about it, and ban them from Wikipedia until they stop their relentless slanderous lies.  D r e a m Focus  02:11, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

His Dark Materials
""...a story that attacks such things as cruelty, oppression, intolerance, unkindness, narrow-mindedness, and celebrates love, kindness, open-mindedness, tolerance, curiosity, human intelligence." Philip Pullman" This is about a tyrannical Magisterium which seeks to suppress knowledge of other worlds and the story is commonly thought to be an allegory. It is currently being shown in a new adaption by the BBC and HBO and so the readership for related pages is high – hundreds of thousands. A bundle of these has been nominated for deletion and I have listed them above. There's some erroneous duplication in the original listing and so there may be other pages affected. They look to be good candidates for rescue. Andrew D. (talk) 13:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Closed as Keep and/or No consensus Mixed bag of reasoning. See the closer's comments.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming (7th nomination)

 * 7th nomination. Apparently the dissenting voices must be scrubbed from the internet. Can we save the minority voices? Should we? Or must we all speak with one voice? Perhaps we can demonstrate the usefulness of WP:LISTN by organizing the dissenters? Lightburst (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * this is not a remotely neutral notice. Nblund talk 00:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * A call to improve the article was made Perhaps we can demonstrate the usefulness of WP:LISTN by organizing the dissenters?. The fact that there were 7 previous attempts to delete the list of dissenting voices was rightly called out as well. Looks like this will be a contentious debate for the 8th time. WP:DPAFD Lightburst (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * this is not a remotely neutral notice. Nblund talk 00:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * A call to improve the article was made Perhaps we can demonstrate the usefulness of WP:LISTN by organizing the dissenters?. The fact that there were 7 previous attempts to delete the list of dissenting voices was rightly called out as well. Looks like this will be a contentious debate for the 8th time. WP:DPAFD Lightburst (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Can we demonstrate WP:LISTN by better organizing the article and adding more dissenters? Nblund talk 03:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The above comment was originally written to replace the original posting, which was under a collapse template, but the collapse template was removed and the order changed without explanation by with this edit. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 13:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

This post was mentioned at Administrators%27_noticeboard. jps (talk) 12:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Closer says "No prejudice to the creation of a list of climate scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming". Might as well be Keep and Rename. -- Green  C  01:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There is always a mirror site you can copy and build if you feel ambitious? Not a bad idea, but also be prepared for the calls of "crank" and "crackpot". Lightburst (talk) 01:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I put the most recent version over at https://list.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming to save it before it got deleted. You can also ask the administrator that closed it to undelete the article and put it in your draft space if you want to edit it without loosing any of the history for when it gets returned to mainspace.  I think most of the people who said delete would still want to delete the new article though based on their reasons given.   D r e a m Focus  02:01, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * A list of people notable as "climate scientists" would be very different than the list that was just deleted. Simply restoring the original list with a new name would be disruptive editing. ApLundell (talk) 04:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It'd be the same thing only with names removed.  D r e a m Focus  09:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Radagast
"The Greenwood is sick, Gandalf. A darkness has fallen over it. Nothing grows anymore, at least nothing good. The air is fouled decay, but worst are the ..."

- Radagast


 * The result was keep. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:27, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Per the closer's addendum: "The result was keep. There seems to be general agreement that there are sufficient reliable, independent sources available to satisfy WP:GNG." <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:25, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Marina Quays


This one should be easy to improve. The nominator called for deletion based on a lack of references, however I see many RS. If we can shore this up with a few RS we can keep this notable three-tower residential complex in Dubai. Lightburst (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Find My
A common challenge here is to find something that's missing – information, sources, goodwill, &c. It's good for us to develop a repertoire of tools and techniques for finding things and the topic here is another one. Andrew D. (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

List of dimensions of the Discworld
Pratchett is popular but I've read little myself as I read his first work when it came out many years ago and thought it rather weak compared to other comical SF (see below). Perhaps others are more familiar? Andrew D. (talk) 17:56, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Standard (unit)
"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." I find it interesting to visit such topics and so have done the heavy lifting for this but there's more to be done still, I reckon. As people seem to have trouble finding sources for this, it will be good to get a variety of perspectives from different parts of the world. Andrew D. (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Erik Arvinder


Second nomination. First nomination was in July 2019 and ended in No-consensus. The article is referenced with non-trivial coverage and the subject has achieved notability in his field. Can we improve the article even more to survive a second AfD? Lightburst (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

List of crimes involving a silicone mask



 * A notable and relevant article. This AfD is tragic IMO. The article was started yesterday. Prodded yesterday. And then AfD'd today. WP:NORUSH. The article has WP:RS and considering it is barely a day old, the nominator should not be so aggressive. Perhaps we can build it up buttercup. Lightburst (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Bombshell (Transformers)


Renamed Hardshell ( trademark issues). Perhaps we can transform this article into a Keep? See what you can do. The fate of the world is in your hands. Lightburst (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

US Airways Flight 741 stowaway incident



 * Another aviation themed tragedy. Stowaway who died in a wheel well and garnered global coverage. The article is only two weeks old and I removed a PROD which garnered an AfD. Perhaps we can reorganize and add refs. I have begun to find sources. Maybe we can find out more about the person who passed in this incident. Lightburst (talk) 18:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Kate Marie Byrnes
U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia. Career diplomat. Question of sources and citations. WP:BEFORE. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 14:12, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The result was keep. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 10:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

List of comic science fiction
""Life, don't talk to me about life""

- Marvin

People Who Were Killed in Animal Attacks
This seems like an interesting topic to work with. Are there publications listing people who died in animal attacks or government websites listing this somewhere? Seems like a notable topic and a valid list article.  D r e a m Focus  18:17, 31 October 2019 (UTC)