Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"Othsu or B"

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was difficult. The core objection to this article is not whether the topic is encyclopedic but whether this particular article can be salvaged given the poor (to me, unintelligible) use of English and the lack of verifiable sources. Noting that no corrective edits have been made to this article in almost a month, I am going to call this one as a delete.

Comment: This decision should probably not be interpreted as precedent if an intelligible article on the topic is created. Rossami (talk) 03:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Othsu or B"
Makes no sense - appears to have been translated by machine. Deb 15:52, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Delete unless somebody can make sense of it. May be machine translation but then again Japanese English often looks like that... AdamW 16:19, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

-Under these denomination stay indicate the japanese plans agains Soviet Union. this if similar at plans against United States (Operation "KO or "A"),plans against China(Operation "HEI" or "C"),figth against Great Britain(Operation "TEI" or "D") and last attack to Soviet Union (Operation "Otsu" or "B").

this is stay in one historical context,stay relationed with WW2 Times in Pacific war,and proceded from "Kogun" one Japanese Military Manual of these time why are translated to English.for your historical nature this term no appareing in any common web finder.additionally i see why for more near at Japanese pronunciation if use in certain times h in certains words how for example "Otsu"(more western translation) are replaced for "Othsu"(more near at Japanese usual writing translation).

i advised why this information no proceded from fiction or imaginaire sources and none similars,are this one historical information of ww2,based in "Kogun" military manual text and the book "Goodbye Japan" writing for one american journalist why living in Japan in last times before at Pearl Harbor attack in december 1941.

One curiosity if why acase all terms debt to sense or having finded in web finders? if certain why exist more vandalist or very ocious persons dedicated to molest or writing hoaxes or lies,but in this case this writing are based in historical documents,reiterrally lamentably for having scarcy know in web sources this considered for yours and others how false or non existant term,but this no indicate why precisally are this.mentioned other similar case,fuyioru ancient Jap old denomination of nikolayevsk,at first,this term for no appareing in official recent list for your ancient nature(this appareing in ancient russian map)obviously no appareing in present web finders, but if appareing in web russian map and this confirm your existance. i see the long list for deletion and encounter more articles digns for delete but no stay accord with why for why one word no appareing in contemporary list debt to sended to deleting list.

Wlad k.
 * Unsigned comment by 200.46.205.186 (talk &middot; contributions)


 * On behalf of all very ocious persons, I ask, "buh?" --jpgordon&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710; 17:59, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It appears that 200.46.205.186 is telling us that this is information about one of (possibly several) Japanese plans during the Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945). Xe is also telling us stuff about the Google test that we already know.  Xe claims that this information comes from books, but since the article doesn't cite sources, there's no way to verify this.  Uncle G 04:22, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can decipher this mess. This user seems well-intentioned, and I know it's not kosher to delete material from non-native speakers, but this is utterly incoherent, and seems to have been taken directly from a poor machine translation. Binadot 18:34, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a native Japanese speaker with more practise at English could help out here? AdamW 19:16, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Strike North, which appears to contain similar material. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:00, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * And Strike North Group and Outer Manchuria. Somebody has added 'cleanup' tags, but I don't know that there is enough comprehensible information there to be able to clean it up, unless perhaps it does make sense to a native Japanese speaker. AdamW 22:11, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Also fuyioru. I have the feeling the contributor's native language is Russian, not Japanese. Kappa 13:24, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * And "Othsu or B" Operation. FreplySpang (talk) 17:53, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article as it stands is un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 06:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - well, I can understand it, and have started to do a basic copy edit. Charles Matthews 16:53, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * "Othsu or B" Operation was what I was working on.
 * Delete: so poorly written, I can't imagine we wouldn't be better off starting over. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:00, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)


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