Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/"norwegian association for legal philosophy"


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The result was   delete. NW ( Talk ) 19:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

"norwegian association for legal philosophy"
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Contested prod. No evidence of notability, and Google provides nothing. Not worth the trouble of moving to a title without the quotation marks. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:21, 24 January 2010 (UTC) It should have been posted earlier, but for those unfamiliar with Wikipedia's notability requirements for organizations, they are outlined at Notability (organizations and companies). The main gist of that page is that "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." Such coverage should include a narrative description of its activities and significance. I don't believe we have any such sources. __meco (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability provided and Google suggests that little would be found. &mdash; RHaworth 03:47, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. This is a learned society operating on a national scale. - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 07:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ...and you can prove this exactly how? Please provide references, substantiation, or additional information. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am the guilty person, it seems. I am sorry of that - the reason is that I am new to the Wiki. Please see my comments about that on RHaworth's page. Additional comments: (a) The quotation marks should be removed and the title capitalized into Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy. (b) What is stated above about notability is wrong. If you google "Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy", you DO get several hits, though their web page is new, not yet fully indexed by googlebot. The information about the Association at www.ivr.no is provided by scholars at the University of Norway. The Association has existed since the 1980s, but they got an operating web page only recently. (c) Eastmain's comment that the Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy is a learned society on a national scale, is correct. It is the Norwegian department of the IVR, please see the tab "Norway" at http://ivr2003.net/bologna/sections.htm, which also contains a link to their web page www.ivr.no. (d) I personally think the links to Jørgen A. Stubberud and Alf Petter Høgberg in the article are not worthwhile, they are not that important persons to legal philosophy (which I can tell since I am Jørgen A. Stubberud). But if you choose to keep them, this is the home page of professor Høgberg: http://www.jus.uio.no/ior/english/people/aca/alfph/index.html and this is an internal link to the Norwegian Wikipedia entry about professor Høgberg: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Petter_H%C3%B8gberg 3) (e) At the article "International Association for Philosophy of Law and Social Philosophy" I think the external reference to the Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy (www.ivr.no) whould be re-inserted, since that page contains a unique collection of very useful links to free, online, browsable journals, philosophy dictionaries and encyclopedias. Best regards, KelsenRoss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelsen Ross (talk • contribs) 14:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Kelsen Ross (talk) 16:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete. No independent coverage to suggest that this national chapter of an international scholarly organization is notable. Indeed, the article doesn't even assert notability. __meco (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are many references to it in Norwegian, see http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&source=hp&q=%22norsk+forening+for+rettsfilosofi%22&meta=&aq=f&oq= and http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&q=%22norwegian+association+for+legal+philosophy%22&meta=&aq=f&oq=.Kelsen Ross (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC) and I found a reference here: http://www.materstvedt.net/page9/page9.html Kelsen Ross (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete There aren't even any references on http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_forening_for_rettsfilosofi - I hoped I could copy some over. I can't really see this organisation being of any great note outside Norway. I'm not even sure about it being particularly notable IN Norway.... You are welcome to prove me wrong. Peridon (talk) 00:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Comparing to similar organizations found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Norwegian_organisation_stubs one cannot say what notability or references these organizations have that the Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy is lacking. I have problems understanding by what criteria a non-professional like Peridon would judge what "note" this Association has in the academic community. That kind of information is not browsable. I rest my case.Kelsen Ross (talk) 02:22, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, as argued above, knowing about this activity is useful information.Kelsen Ross (talk) 02:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I conducted a search with Atekst, a closed search engine for online and offline newspapers in Norway since 1946, and the only hit to "Norsk Forening for Rettsfilosofi" was a single article where the leader (Høgberg) was commenting on the involvement of Freemasons in the Finance Credit law suit. The mention of the organization was a single sentence, simply stating that Høgberg was a PhD-student and leader of the organization. This is way short of the criteria in WP:N and WP:ORG. A regular web search finds nothing else to reliable, independent secondary sources either. Arsenikk (talk)  11:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Thanks you, Meco. After Meco's comment I now agree that the Norwegian Association for Legal Philosophy is not as per today sufficiently "notable" (as that term is defined in the Wiki regulations). I propose that some one deletes it. But I will re-insert the link to the Associations unique collection of browsable legal theory material into the page "philosophy of law" (="juristprudence"), which was deleted by RHaworth, based on the Wiki rule which says that "non-notable organizations do not receive separate articles in Wikipedia about themselves. They may, however, be included in Wikipedia in other articles whenever information about the non-notable organization is appropriate" I hope and believe that the rest of you will agree to this.Kelsen Ross (talk) 20:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.