Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/'Til Death Do Us Part (Philippine TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 02:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

'Til Death Do Us Part (Philippine TV series)
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Article lacks any source or claim of notability. Guy (Help!) 22:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  00:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - failed series that lasted one month. The article claims it was a major flop, but unable to find any news stories that indicate that it being a major flop, and gaining coverage due to its failure. -- Whpq (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. A TV show that didn't do well is still considered notable such as 2000 Malibu Road and Some of My Best Friends.  What it needs is valid sources. Starczamora (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And what do you know, I've found some:


 * 1) ABS-CBN feature about the show
 * 2) Entertainment write-up about negative feedback (cited Jun Nardo of tabloid "Abante" as the source)
 * 3) Part of a series of reviews on ABS-CBN's "30 New Shows for 2005", which included TDDUP Starczamora (talk) 22:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm quite open to a keep if there was any real significant coverage. The ABS-CBN coverage I would discount as it was a show for their network, and that materiakl is essentially a press release for themselves.  The starcirclequest appears to be some community type web site and so it probably doesn't meet the threshold for a reliable source.  And the Asian Journal mention is part of an overall column on upcoming programs.  If there were news articles independent of ABS-CBN writing about it as a mjor flop, then I would be convinced of its notability. -- Whpq (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) A write-up about the show, whether written by ABS-CBN's PR department or other entertainment reporters, are considered valid under Wikipedia (case in point, Philippine Idol also features write-ups from its official website). 2)  The second article obviously cannot be considered directly as a valid source.  However, the article mentioned that it was "copied and pasted" from an old entertainment column in "Abante" (its website, however, has archives of up to 2007 while the article was written in 2005).  3) Asian Journal is a valid source, although the article came from INQ7.net (which has long been inactive). Starczamora (talk) 13:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Press releases are specifically not reliable sources as they are not independent. -- Whpq (talk) 14:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia states that Edits that rely on primary sources should only make descriptive claims that can be checked by anyone without specialist knowledge. In short, press releases can be used as sources if written to the article as descriptive and NPOV as possible. Starczamora (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Press releases, as they are self-written, do not substantiate notability. I am not saying the article is factually inaccurate, so the accuracy of information from a press release is not relevant.  I am saying that the subject is not notable.  If it is notable, it would have attracted press coverage.  If the failure of the show was considered a major flop, then there would be articles about how this show was a major flop.  I see no such articles.  -- Whpq (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As others have stated, as long as it is aired, a TV show is considered NOTABLE, flop or no flop (check my previous examples, which only lasted for several episodes). Also, considering how bad Philippine entertainment websites archive their previous articles, it's hard to search for write-ups about a subject that was shown in 2005. We would have to go to the library to do that, which is also the argument in Serena Dalrymple. Starczamora (talk) 22:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep TV series that aired are notable by default. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. Everyking (talk) 05:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.