Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/'t Is OK


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The result was Nomination Withdrawn. (non-admin closure). MrKIA11 (talk) 12:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

't Is OK
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Fails WP:MUSIC -- JediLofty UserTalk 10:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn, following the addition of chart information. -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 09:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC) 
 * Keep. Competing in a major international song competition would seem to confer notability to me, but as the article's creator (as well as someone who hasn't been working closely on the song notability guidelines, which are very different now to the way they appeared last time I looked) I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:MUSIC says that songs must have "been ranked on national or significant music charts", "won significant awards or honours" or "been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups" to be considered notable. Coming 13 out of 20 in a contest doesn't meet any of those requirements --  JediLofty UserTalk 12:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no need to cite the same guideline twice, as I'm perfectly capable of reading it the first time. I would, however, be interested to see what would happen if a guideline like this were applied to the range of Olympic athletes who are simply "proud to take part". They might come 13th out of 20 in their event, but I'm pretty sure people would claim that as evidence of notability. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Apples and Oranges: athletes finishing 13th out of 20 at the Olympics generally don't make an appearance only at the Olympics.  If this song has been documented reliable sources to appear in multiple contests, then the analogy might be more apt. -- Whpq (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A fair point. I do take some level of exception to the fact that the guidelines for song articles came down on one side when the article in question was created and have since been radically altered, requiring (presumably) a vast number of song articles to be rewritten in situations where notability per the new standards can be proven and deletion where it can't be. It just seems rather ex post facto to me. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 04:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge lock stock & barrel into the Harmony (dutch band) article. That needs a little filling out. This song by itself though fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Keep in light of the charting information.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 14:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge' - the song has no independent notability and makes more sense as part of the band article -- Whpq (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  JForget  23:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Contrary to the original listing's reason "'t Is Ok" does meet WP:MUSIC, as it did chart on a "national or significant music chart" - The song made #29 in the Dutch charts in 1978. Might not seem like a big deal today, but #29 is in the charts and we certainly list songs that chart lower than that. (Source: Top performing singles of 1978, third column is peak position). Esteffect (talk) 23:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment When I nominated the article, there was no mention of the song having charted anywhere. As this information has now been added to the article, and the song has proved notable, I guess this nomination should be withdrawn. --  JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 09:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


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