Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/(AN)drew Madinc. (visual painter)


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The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 15:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

(AN)drew Madinc. (visual painter)

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Contested PROD, no explanation given for removal. Promotional tone, sources not enough to establish notability. Glass  Cobra  03:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have tried to establish "notability" and already once this "notability" was cleared. I have checked other articles of other people and it seems that I have established more links and references than on a majority of small articles. I think this article is important and there is more importance than I alone can write for him.--Theother1986 (talk) 03:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: No assertion of notability. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Also if it has a promotional tone it is due to me trying to give the ref's. that I was required to give. If it sounds "promotional" can I be given a reason or example so I can change it?--Theother1986 (talk) 03:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Despite Theother's best efforts, I fail to see that the links given establish notability. Passing mentions in what amount to event programs don't really do the trick.  Get some coverage from respected art critics and you might have something.  Gigs (talk) 04:38, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input concerning (AN)drew madinc. "gigs" however, if we are going to judge the Notability from "respected critics" than Led Zeppelin (example) would not be whom they are today (not that I am comparing him to them...by any means). On his website it also states that he was "banned from Ebay for life" for a work of art he did, I feel that is shows Notability. Also on his website there are reviews of artist and performers that are known here: []. Who is to pay attention to critics when these critics are just as crooked as politicians? I think the simple fact that he has been involved in shows and have had fellow artist and performers write about him...shows in it self. Thank you --Theother1986 (talk) 04:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Setting aside the somewhat redundant "visual painter" moniker, esp. the "visual" part, there seems to be no notability here. The sources are Wikipedia articles (which are NOT acceptable sources) and blogs/usersubmitted material. A Google News search reveals this, which is nothing. By contrast, even though this comparison makes no sense in the first place given Other stuff exists, the same search for Zep gives this. That the guy is banned from Ebay is no matter--and if that is to be referenced from his own website, like all the famous people mentioned on that site, well, that site is hardly a reliable source. Drmies (talk) 05:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

You also search for Revo industries you will find this [] Just keep scrolling and and on many pages there are ref's for his art company and he CREATED Revo Industries..aka (R)EVO industries (for which he is also known as), So either a page is created for him...or REVO industries? REvo Industries has a lot more google searches?--Theother1986 (talk) 05:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you believe you can establish a solid amount of reliable secondary sources for his company, then I invite you to create such an article for the company. Please review the guidelines at WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:N before you start though.  They are very important if you want to create an article that won't be quickly deleted. Gigs (talk) 05:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

It states here that he was banned form ebay on his website: [] I have tried to email him concerning this (the ban from ebay)...however I am not surprised he has not responded as he probably would think him having this article is a waste of time...but I am assuming. I can not figure out why this article is such a problem? However I am a fan and that should explain it. I still think this article is important and I want to keep it open if possible.--Theother1986 (talk) 08:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. In response to comments above, please note that even if major music critics reviewed Led Zeppelin negatively during their early years, at least they did notice Led Zeppelin and did review the band, which would have helped establish the band as notable if Wikipedia had existed back then. Similarly, if major art critics have taken notice of Madinc, even to give him negative reviews, that would help somewhat in establishing his notability. Regarding the ban from eBay, I cannot even find that claim on his web site, and even then we would need an independent source to verify that he really was banned and why. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, so I got an email concerning this from him I hope it helps. He said I could "use it"

'''Dear Theother1986:

This is in regards to your email concerning this article for Wikipedia for (AN)drew Madinc. (Visual Painter).

As much as I appreciate your enthusiasm, I have to say I agree with why an article such as this should not exist. To be honest I am not famous, nor would I want to be. Bandwidth can be expensive and space is needed for people whom have contributed a little more than someone like me. As much as I would think it would be brilliant as any artist, it would not make sense just yet. I thank you for your enthusiasm and good luck on finding references and sources. I have gone out of the way to make sure they are not there, er yes.

Yes I was banned from Ebay and in the several emails concerning this it stated I was "abusing Ebay" and "promoting hatred" with the work "godmad,gonemad". You are welcome to use this email any any shape you require, however I do not think it will work. Might I suggest you working on an article from a much more commercial artist and that may satisfy them.

Ps I do not like being referred to as a "visual painter" its a bit pretentious.

(an)drew madinc. of (R)EVO industries revoindustries at ***** dot com '''

Does this help???????--Theother1986 (talk) 08:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I am sorry but I have already shown input from his peers, and not only that but He has to be on of the first "live painters on stage" that I am aware of. His first show was over 10 years ago. I will keep fighting for this, and if it gets erased I will be back because he has shows in the future and there will have to be "reviewers" for those. Thank you all for your input, I know this is not always easy--Theother1986 (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable per WP:CREATIVE. If references to show otherwise exist then let them be given. Drawn Some (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Ps Here is footage with him painting just look for the only person painting. At Voodoo experience in New Orleans 2008 [] with CHANT (he is called REVO industries on the side information)--Theother1986 (talk) 15:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

(please excuse me if I sound to sarcastic, I am just trying to get to the point) I am not sure what more is needed, he did not create a vaccine, and he is not on a reality show, hes not Andy Warhol (Wikipedia has people from reality shows on here) You have bands on here that have released a local album in their city and its not even on major labels, and he has over 10 prints released, shirts, stickers, bandannas. He has been "reviewed" or critiqued by over 5 of his peers 2 of them are known in the music and art scene and 2 others in performance arts. With links to these people if you have any questions. The reason no there are no interviews is because he does not do interviews.


 * keep There is footage (link)[] and [] of him at VOODOO experience for 2008. There are links from notable bands on their websites to his website (for a reason). The art house he created "(R)EVO industries is all over the internet. He has designed for several other known musicians. He was banned from Ebay and he already confirmed that. Not only that but I just found out he is working on a "commissioned" work of/for Soo Catwoman . I understand people trying to make sure this person exist...but HE does. He has done more shows and is bigger than some at least a handful of other articles on Wikipedia.

AS far as the Banned from Ebay thing goes, Ebay is not exactly going to release a press release stating they banned an artist, its one of those things they try to keep "wrapped". However he confirmed it and you are welcome to email him if you do not trust the email I cut and paste. Cheers thank you--Theother1986 (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Apparently you aren't looking at the guidelines used to establish notability and verifiability. There have to be multiple non-trivial independent references.  Being banned from eBay or having links to his website don't assist in establishing notability or creating a referenced encyclopedia article. Drawn Some (talk) 18:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you read or look at these pages to these websites, including the ones that people review him on his website with links to them. Apparently these guidelines are not always followed with other Articles on Wikipedia because there are many articles quoted with "opinions". Some of these "links" are from friends of theirs that created these websites and interviews. There are several other sites linked other than his own. His art company (that in many cases is titled towards him instead of his name) is all over the internet for shows and exhibitions and Festivals, You do not seem to understand that his "art company" is his alias that has become a moniker. SO every time you see "(R)EVO (REVO/revo) industries (concerning art) it is him. I have already given links to this, for some reason you are refusing to either look, or admit it.--Theother1986 (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep He is also listed on the Voodoo Experience page/article as a performer under the 2008 (Friday) lineup (he was in the 2007 lineup as well but its not mentioned on the article)--Theother1986 (talk) 05:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Please don't make multiple votes in the same AfD. I understand you feel strongly about this.  But the artist himself admits he is not yet notable enough for an article.  One day he might be, and when that day comes, you are free to create it again.  Gigs (talk) 08:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you however I will keep fighting for this article, most artist will say the same--Theother1986 (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * KeepI am so glad I found this, I listed him on this page Benjie Bollox (for an artist) he designed the cover for the album of Riot Squad - "The Undying Breed" However I think the (Visual Painter) should be taken off its just redundant--Ubastiff (talk) 17:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Question: are we considering him as a performer, or as a visual artist? DGG (talk) 07:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It is funny you asked this (I realize it is confusing) What I know of him: He has done art work (graphic design) for bands, He has had art shows, and he literally "paints live onstage" I have seen footage of him with big "film screens" painting behind and in front of performers (at large festivals). I would say almost a Visual Artist because to be exact, he literally: Creates art work visually in front of people. However, I would like to see more on the internet about him. I think he has a hand in "controlling that".--Ubastiff (talk) 08:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Does anyone have access to a comprehensive (paid) news search tool? It might be helpful to determine if this gentleman has any offline newspaper mentions since it is claimed that he has attempted to "filter" the info about himself online. (I doubt this is really true, but it is at least worth checking.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
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