Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Âge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep - a rough consensus not to delete, but a bold 'listification' or further discussion on the article's talk page is recommended. Cheers,    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 01:59, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Âge

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A search turned up zero relative sources, notability of the article can not be established. No sources are present which contributes to notability not being establish. John F. Lewis (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to aging with the R from alternative language template. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is about a Japanese gaming company (more specifically a division of it). John F. Lewis (talk) 07:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that. But there are situations where, while the article isn't suitable for Wikipedia, its title can be used as a redirect to a totally unrelated topic. This is one such case. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I say keep. It's the manufacturer of a couple of moderately notable visual novels and games, most notably Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and the Muv-Luv series. The title is inherently going to be extremely hard to google for because it's very frequently written as "age" or "Age" rather than "âge" (the most correct) or "Âge", and because the word "age" comes up so often in discussions about visual novels. Assuming we're agreed that the game/anime Kimi ga Nozomu Eien is notable enough, how do you determine whether the company that made that game deserves a page? For reference, here are some external references I found: A review of two Âge VNs; a forum thread including some mentions of Âge; and it's mentioned in the introduction to "Anime and the Visual Novel" as  one of "Other notable enterprises" . (The reference is to "Age" as the publisher of "Rumbling Hearts", which is the English localised name of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.). --AlexChurchill (talk) 13:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And I'd add that back in February, the main page for visual novel listed âge in the head (third paragraph) as one of the most popular VN makers outside Japan. --AlexChurchill (talk) 14:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I cannot find any secondary, reliable, in-depth sources on the topic (company) to satisfy WP:GNG. Links provided above are not reliable VG sources and their topic isn't the company, rather its games. Game notability doesn't establish company's notability (WP:NOTINHERITED). The book above has only a singular mention in a list of examples, with the "notable enterprises" claim left unquantified. Googling this term and this being from Japan, makes it hard as usual. But looking at its games, genre and involvement compared to similar cases, I believe notability cannot be established at this point. —  HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:34, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep They are notable because of what they produce, just as an artists or writer is notable from what they create. Some of their products get sufficient news coverage, and even have their own articles.   D r e a m Focus  18:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is only true for WP:CREATIVE when the author's work has received significant recognition. WP:ORGSIG and WP:CORP in general reiterate again and again that notability is not inherited and the company itself must be the subject of sources. WP:PRODUCT: "Note that a specific product or service may be notable on its own, without the company providing it being notable in its own right. In this case, an article on the product may be appropriate, and notability of the company itself is not inherited as a result." — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:CORP says "This guideline does not cover small groups of closely related people such as families, entertainment groups, co-authors, and co-inventors covered by WP:Notability (people)." Five creative people got together and started a company and started to produce some notable works, co-authoring things together.   D r e a m Focus  20:33, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * To me, that's a really long stretch. But I suppose, that's one way of looking at it, so I'll leave it there. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Listify according to CSC#3- This article is basically already a list article and not an article on the company itself. As Hellknowz points out the RSes presented so far are mostly reliable information on the company's games, with only trivial mention of the company. Searching myself, I wasn't able to find anything more substantial than this Dengeki article. Whatever little info there is on the actual company at this point would fit into the lede paragraph of "List of Âge games". -Thibbs (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Listify per Thibbs. This is going to be rather painful, since I used to be a fan of Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. Unfortunately, even a search with Japanese terms like "ゲーム" (gēmu/game) is disappointingly inconclusive. I actually find this surprising, since to my knowledge Âge is a rather prominent eroge company in Japan. Even checking the company's Japanese Wiki article comes up as inconclusive, but please note that the sourcing requirements in the Japanese Wikipedia is not as strict as here. The best we can probably do is turn the article into a "List of Âge games" with a short blurb at the top. This would be acceptable since Âge's games are the subject of reliable coverage. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * comment I honestly can't tell, I have no understanding of Japanese. Normally, I would say merge and redirect to Acid Company (the parent publisher), but that doesn't exist, and is yet another ridiculously common search term.  However, Hirohiko Yoshida (the founder) gets enough hits that I suspect Acid *should* be an article.    Th e S te ve   06:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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