Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Æthelmod of Leominster


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Leominster. Where he's already mentioned. Consensus is that we don't have enough about this saint to support an article.  Sandstein  08:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Æthelmod of Leominster

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The article is not notable under WP:BIO. There is no real description of him in the article, and a google books search shows passing, non-notable mentions in works. Google scholar returns no results. No real information can be added to make the article notable.  KJ  click here  04:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 *  keep merge/redirect Element of history (Saint, they say, right?). Mentioned in some books. - Altenmann >t 05:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, good, . Please start to add material, backing up the additions with reference to these books. Then I might !vote "keep". (As it is, I can't see why I might so !vote.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I did, didn't I? Even before your invitation. I increased the text 25% (in sentence count) and doubled the number of references :-) - Altenmann >t 16:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. I got my chronology (of edits, not saints) mixed up. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment User:D A R C 12345 (the article creator) removed AfD tag and replaced article with a redirect; I reverted his edit. (I'm not sure if this can be taken as a vote for redirecting.) --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - I was going to claim that if he was a saint he was inherently notable. But [url=http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Saints_Index]the Catholic Encyclopaedia has no record of him[/url] so I'm struggling to show he is a saint.  If he was a saint then wp:NTEMP might be pushed to its limit but holds - but at the moment htere isn't enough to show existence. Neonchameleon (talk) 01:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Grant for a moment that that encyclopedia has made a mistake and that he was a saint. Was being a "saint" then so different from being an "expert" now? True, there might have been only one institution that was supposed to be deciding whether or not people were saints, but it wasn't as if the pope frequently fired off to all branch offices his updated master spreadsheet of saints. -- Hoary (talk) 13:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say that nothing is known about him beyond being buried in a certain place. Since the name is mentioned in several books to this end, merge/redirect is fair. We are not talking about vanity of some 'expert'. Saint or not, he is part of recorded history, even it is cow bones buried there, not his. - Altenmann >t 16:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Having double checked the canonisation criteria, it's likely that he lived before 990 and certainly before 1150. Canonisation (and even beatification) through Rome involves enough fact checking that I'd consider it made someone inherently notable.  But it was a lot more haphazard before 990.  And on reflection I'm going to say that the other reason for deletion (or redirection) is that this page will never be more than a stub based on the links. Neonchameleon (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Redirect somewhere or other. Leominster, I suppose. Because we don't now seem likely to find out any more about him than that this is where he was buried. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. English saint and martyr. Plenty of references:, , etc. -- 101.119.28.190 (talk) 00:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, those two sources are evidence for the claim that he was a saint and martyr. But who snuffed him? How? Why? When? They don't say. -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There are the whole peoples unknown who and when snuffed them and still have wikipedia articles. It does not matter that we don't know much. Fact is this saint is puzzled about in multiple serious sources. One book even says "his cult was well-established by preconquest liturgical evidence". Of course, a redirect would be fine (I doubt there are relatives and girlfriends to insist on a vanity article :-). - Altenmann >t 15:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


 * REdirect to Priory Church, Leominster. Any burial will be in the graveyard of a church.  We know nothing whatever of who Aethelmod was or what he did.  We know so exceptionally little that I do not think we can really have a satisfactory article on him.  The target might have been Leominster Abbey or Leominster nunnery.  Indeed, there seems to me a very good case for merging those three articles into one.  They all relate to thge same church, which was a Saxon minster, then a medieval priory, whose nave survives as the parish church.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * User:D A R C 12345 there is currently insufficent information to warrant a full article on him at this stage. I have been trying to get to a particular library where some books may have more info on him, but thus far I have been thwarted in doing so. What we do know is that the document he is known from focus's mainly on very old Saxon Saints (6th & 7th cent mostly) including many venacular and very localised in their veneration, rather than official Pope approved saints. I think it safe to currently say - he existed but know nothing bejond that. a short line in the Priory Church, Leominster article is probably more appropriate. (I was probably premature in creating the article).
 * Redirect, ordinarily I'd argue that any properly minted Catholic saint is notable, but in this case there's just not enough information to write an article. Perhaps a redirect to On the Resting-Places of the Saints, which is the main place this person is known from would be best?  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC).
 * Comment/Question: I want to close but do not know where to redirect to. --Regards, MrScorch6200 (talk · contribs)  18:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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